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Post# 261734   1/4/2014 at 05:44 (3,736 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Hi My hoover pure power has been patched up now and becomming worn out so time to move with the times. I got a Dyson which is fine but a cylinder, I looked at Dyson but I cannot justify spending £300.00 or abouts. I seen Morphy Richards No Loss of suction Dyson look a like, and another one a bit ugly. Also Vax Mach 8. I noticed a lot of Bagless machines are not that good. There is the Hoover Jazz or Globe others are poor. Which magaziine only recommends Dyson but too expensive my the occassional use.

Post# 261735 , Reply# 1   1/4/2014 at 05:47 (3,736 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Have you considered reconditioned dysons?

Post# 261744 , Reply# 2   1/4/2014 at 07:55 (3,736 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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I really want a new machine with a warranty to be honest

Post# 261745 , Reply# 3   1/4/2014 at 08:05 (3,736 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

If its for "occasional use" then what is wrong with a bagged cleaner?


Post# 261746 , Reply# 4   1/4/2014 at 08:06 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Hi, There are some great machines in your price range. One machine I would definitely recommend is a AEG precision at currys for £160. I comes with a 2 yr guarantee and the cyclone tech is very efficient for what you pay. Its a lot better than a Hoover Globe or Jazz. I would also recommend a Morphy Richard Vorticity is £75. I will put a link in below. Fantastic machine, robust and very good cyclone tech for what you pay. I would suggest both machines as a good price. and a Panasonic MC-CL934 is pretty good to at £172.
Thanks, Josh
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www.electricaldiscountuk.co.uk/st...

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Post# 261747 , Reply# 5   1/4/2014 at 08:34 (3,736 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry I wouldnt recommend the AEG.

The Vax Mach Air Reach is a good one and its currently on sale at Argos for £99. I might get one myself again, but only for my aunt who has the pets from hell. You can't beat Vax's 6 year guarantee, either.

I've had this vacuum before. It's pretty good but has the usual modern plastic pros and cons. Small dust bin capacity but at the same time its very lightweight, compact, easy to store and pretty easy to use. Hoover in the U.S have a similar model in their Windtunnel Air series.

The Reach model means you get an extra long hose that you don't have to use unless you do, 10 metre long cable and a turbo brush for pet hair or stairs. Everything you would need, really in a well thought out upright.


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Post# 261749 , Reply# 6   1/4/2014 at 09:01 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Sorry I wouldnt recommend vax the filtration is terrible it doesn't not clean very well i had 1 years go i will never have one again hose is very short. the age is a completely sealed system i would suggest staying away from VAX.

Post# 261750 , Reply# 7   1/4/2014 at 09:06 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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When I had the VAX the filter So dirty extremely quickly the AEG Deep cleans the carpet fantastically.

Post# 261761 , Reply# 8   1/4/2014 at 10:09 (3,736 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Hi I have a Hoover Jazz Cylinder (Model TJA1410) & to be fair it is a good Vacuum with decent multi-cyclone technology for what you pay. I got mine for 60 pounds (sorry pound sign not working) which is a good deal but the price varies. It is usually about 99 pounds though. It comes with 1 year warranty but I managed to extend mine 5 years more with the Hoover 5 Year Parts & Labour Sheet downloable from the Hoover Website.

It is 1400 watts so not to energy guzzling & provides plenty of suction, it has a nice big bin (2L I think) so you don't need to empty that often, however I always empty after every use for hygiene reasons.

The only thing I would say is just to check the flter at the top of the bin on top of the multi-cyclone unit. I use the Jazz a few times a week & has to wash it after 1 & 1/2 months but it's not a big problem & it is easy to do.

I hope this helps. :)


Post# 261765 , Reply# 9   1/4/2014 at 10:22 (3,736 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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In my long experience, there's virtually no difference between any of the "No Loss of Suction" vacuums compared to Dyson. They may well have different names to distinguish each brand, but end of the day they're all Chinese made vacuums and all have similar hose measurements and motors. My Vax filters didn't require to be cleaned until after 6 or 7 months when used as a daily driver. After 2 years I eventually bought a new filter for it when a friend of mine was quite impressed with it - I eventually sold it to him.

 

The Vax has a pretty low 1200 watt motor as standard. The REACH model also has a 1.1 metre hose as standard but on top of that you get another 1.5 metres extension hose that stores on the machine. The bin capacity is 1.5 litres, so you're losing out a little cubic capacity over the AEG and Hoover.

 

However, the Vax is far easier to use and push than the Hoover Slalom that I bought to replace it.  Had the REACH been available at £99 I wouldn't have bought the Slalom. 

 

End of the day, I like a lightweight upright to push and not something that appears too bulky. Certainly if you want something as heavy as your Purepower, then go with the other models but to me, the Reach offers it all in terms of a cut price (now) upright that pretty much does what it says. If you want an upright with a long warranty, the Vax offers that as a sweet bonus.

 

Dyson Boy - do you actually own the AEG?? It doesn't appear to be listed in your collection on your profile on here. 


Post# 261768 , Reply# 10   1/4/2014 at 11:45 (3,736 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        
I agree with Sebo Fan

There is nothing wrong with the Vax Mach Air Reach. At 99 pounds, you cannot go wrong. I have been trying to get my parents to buy one as they are trying to use the Dyson DC05 that was purchased at the end of 2003. The wand handle is broken and is held into the wand with Sellotape lol

I bought a Vax Mach Air in 2010 when I was living with my now ex. I was pleasantly surprised at how good it was, not very noisy and felt as good as my Dyson DC24. I remembered my DC24 was starting its 'rattling brushbar syndrome' and I only had it for around 6 or 7 months at the time. I remembered using the Vax and saying to myself that it sounded a lot 'smoother' and slightly quieter in use.

Unfortunately because my ex and I separated, I never got to find out if the machine is still in use today. I know there was a problem with the brushbar not coming on and it apparently went back to John Lewis Oxford street for them to get Vax to fix it but again, I wasn't involved so never knew if was the truth or I was being lied to like everything else at the time.

I much prefer the Vax Mach Air over the Air3 anyday. It would have been nice for Vax to have designed the brushbar to be user removable as damage and wear and tear can occur on a brush and the fact the it's not user removable on the Mach Air is a mystery to me.

Overall great machine if you decide to go for it.

(p.s I typed this on my iphone so I apologise for any mistakes)


Post# 261769 , Reply# 11   1/4/2014 at 12:03 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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In my experience all Loss of suction machines are all different Like the Hoover slalom cyclones Let through hair And not dust And vax gives out a lot of fine dust That clogs the filter Dyson's latest cyclones Give out Nothing that's fantastic And yes I have got AEG And I've had VAX And Hoover Any machine you can think of Have you even got a vax? The hose on the vax Is very fiddly You have to connect a extension hoses the AEG The Hose is Built-in And it comes off with one push of a button And the poll is extremely long to In my view the aeg a lot better But it's up to What vacuum u Like


Post# 261770 , Reply# 12   1/4/2014 at 12:07 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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The thing is you haven't actually Use the aeg

Post# 261771 , Reply# 13   1/4/2014 at 12:26 (3,736 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Another vote here for the Vax Mach Air Reach. Absolute bargain. The cyclone is not as efficient as the current Dyson filter, but still very efficient - similar to that of a DC04. The suction is great and the cleaner has some great features, such as the extension hose, brushroll on/off function for hard floors, easy access to the brushroll to clean. It's a lovely, lightweight machine too. The Vax also comes with a 6 year guarantee (as opposed to Dyson and Morphy Richards/Shark 5 years and AEG's 2 years).

Be careful with Vax cleaners, though. Only the models branded "no loss of suction" with the 6 year guarantee are worth owning. Any of the Power or Zoom models aren't worth knicker!


Post# 261772 , Reply# 14   1/4/2014 at 12:29 (3,736 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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The thing with AEG's are they are only Dual Cyclone not Multi Cyclone I have the Nimble and although I love it the dust separation efficiency of the cyclone is no where near as good as my Dyson. My Multi Cyclonic Vax keeps it filter cleaner longer than the AEG.

Post# 261777 , Reply# 15   1/4/2014 at 13:21 (3,736 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I don't need to use the AEG when it weighs 7kg. It is far bulkier looking than the Vax Mach Air too. For an "occasional" use upright vacuum, the Vax is small enough to compete and when it offers so much for £99 when the "swivel" upgrade Air3 is obviously the model that is going to replace it before Vax bring out something else, the fixed position is a much better design IMHO.

 

I've owned the Vax Mach Air since it was released in the UK; when the Reach appeared in 2010, I bought that too. 

 

Though I prefer bagged uprights, I bought the Vax Mach Air originally when I lived away from home in a temporary year long job and it performed well. The short cord annoyed me to no end though.  I found the REACH model is far better and great for a medium to large home with new carpets or lots of pets to clear up after. 

 


Post# 261778 , Reply# 16   1/4/2014 at 13:35 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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But it's up to What vacuum u Like :)

Post# 261781 , Reply# 17   1/4/2014 at 13:41 (3,736 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        
@turbo500

Vax may advertise a 6 year warranty but only if it's registered within 14 days of purchase, if not it's only 1 year, and customers who have had vax aren't happy with them, and either go back to a Dyson or buy their first. Samsung advertise 5 years, but only if it's registered within 90 days.
It's also worth noting, Dyson's 5 year warranty is automatic and doesn't need registering, Dyson are able to date the machine via serial number


Post# 261782 , Reply# 18   1/4/2014 at 13:46 (3,736 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

It's just how Dyson Machines are ALL plastic whereas the Vax Mach Air has an aluminium pole because I had one.

Post# 261789 , Reply# 19   1/4/2014 at 14:17 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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it's up to What vacuum u Like :)

Post# 261839 , Reply# 20   1/4/2014 at 18:21 (3,736 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Its a bit more than what you like...

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Well, its a bit more than that if you buy everything yourself and don't have lucky parents. 

 

Trying out these vacuums are all very well if you have a franchise company to go to where you can try them out. Not all brands will be available though.


Post# 261843 , Reply# 21   1/4/2014 at 19:15 (3,736 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        
I didn't mean it like that

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I meant That's the machine That you would like to get And save up for And it's always best to try and test out the machine before you buy it Like you said some people don't have Companies where they Cannot test them. some machines Aren't available to view. I buy my machines by selling Doing up Dysons I'm selling some of my collection.

Post# 261877 , Reply# 22   1/5/2014 at 02:28 (3,736 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Dyson Boy, I do the same.

I am however saving up for a Dyson which I am going to purchase this year. I have wanted a new Dyson for a couple of years now & am interested in their technology.


Post# 261887 , Reply# 23   1/5/2014 at 07:07 (3,735 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
Vax

I have both the Vax mach air and the mach air 3. The original mach air is a far superior vacuum compared to the air 3. With house of many cats and the dog I need something strong and reliable. The mach air is a solid built machine, the plastic doesn't warp in use, the filtration on mine is excellent, the multi cyclones work amazingly well and don't let the pet hair through to clog the filter, the multi tool is quite solid and in my videos on you tube you will see that even when crammed full if crap it still picks up. The air 3 is a different story The build quality is crap the plastic bends and distorts in use. It feels like parts will snap when using it, the cyclones are awfull I can only do half my lounge before I have to take it apart and clean the filters because it lets so much hair and dust through, the actuall handle is so flimsy compared to the mach air it also doesn't stay attached to the hose when using the tools, it's also quite heavy in use, the one good thing it has going for it, is the bristles on the brush roll are a lot stiffer. Oh yeah the multi tool Is crap as well they have taken the bristles from the duster brush and replaced them with awfull red bristles and reduced the amount by half. It really is a poorly designed machine
My air 3 has been replaced by Vax 3 times due to the machine and it's body failing.
This is my two penneth I just thought I'd share the pros and cons of both machines. One other thing on my mach air the extension hose is always attached. If you plug it in at the bottom and bring it up and over the the dust bin it doesn't get in the way. You can see this in my video as well














Post# 261889 , Reply# 24   1/5/2014 at 07:46 (3,735 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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David - do you find that sometimes the Air3 doesn't lock up properly when the handle is made to go into the locked position after use? That was the main issue I found at Currys that put me off that model. Much prefer the simpler design of the Reach model.


Post# 261893 , Reply# 25   1/5/2014 at 08:32 (3,735 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I am not sure if they are available in the UK, but you might try to hunt down some of LG's new bagless uprights. In Consumer Reports testing, the LG Kompressor LuV350p actually performed better on carpets than any of the Dysons. Here is CR's summary of the vac's test results:

"Superb carpet cleaning makes this Kompressor model one of the best bagless uprights for carpets. You also get excellent bare-floor cleaning, along with a brush on/off switch (to safeguard bare floors and prevent scattered debris). And sure to its name, a revolving blade compresses what's in the bin for added capacity and easier emptying--though emptying a bagless vac's bin can be a dusty, messy chore. And airflow for tools was only mediocre. Among upright brands, LG has consistently been among the top performers over the past several years.

High Points

• Excels at removing embedded dirt from carpets
• Performs well when cleaning bare floors, ideal for kitchens, bathrooms, and hardwood floors
• Does well at picking up pet hair, useful if you have a cat or dog
• Excels at capturing all the dust it picks up, important if you have allergies or other respiratory illnesses
• Has a brush on/off switch, which safeguards bare floors and prevents scattering of dust and debris

Low Points
• Requires manually emptying the bin, which can be messy and sometimes presents problems for those with allergies or other respiratory issues
• Lacks a manual pile-height adjustment, which is better than automatic systems at matching the brush to the surface
• Lacks suction control, which helps protect drapes when using tools
• Maneuvering with swivel head feels heavy on the wrist "


Post# 261898 , Reply# 26   1/5/2014 at 09:20 (3,735 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sadly it hasn't yet come to the UK. All LG UK appear to list are their robotic vacuums at their UK website. There's every possibility that it may well come to the UK but I don't think it will be cheap to buy.






Post# 261904 , Reply# 27   1/5/2014 at 10:02 (3,735 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
@sebo fan

Yeah I do find the same problem, its a real pain in the ass When you think the handle is up and locked you turn away and the poxy thing crashes to the floor. It's actually really top heavy and quite hard sometimes to get it to click back in the upright position. The normal mach air is so much easier and so much more sturdy
David


Post# 261905 , Reply# 28   1/5/2014 at 10:02 (3,735 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

I hope it comes to the UK, it and the cylinders look brilliant, much better than some of the rubbish we have at the moment.

I don't think it will be cheap Ry, it's $400 which in our money is around £300,not cheap and definitely in Dyson territory.


Post# 262120 , Reply# 29   1/6/2014 at 14:09 (3,734 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well Interesting what about Morphy Richards Uprights like below

www.morphyrichards.co.uk/products...

www.morphyrichards.co.uk/products...

I tried the globe and was not impressed it blew air out of the front of the machine which took longer to vacuum the dust particles at currys I would be £60.00 Not £119.00 they were asking for. Interested in your View Guys


Post# 262206 , Reply# 30   1/7/2014 at 04:46 (3,733 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The Morphy Richards Lift Away is based on the U.S Shark Navigator and seems to be very popular. Roger from You Tube (he is known as Sensotronic on here) has done a superb video review of that model.

 




 

However I'd like to see if it can fit under a bed, like the Vax Mach Air can, and I don't like the look of the MR Lift Away, but that's down to personal reasons. 

 

I'm surprised that the Hoover "blew out dust" though as it has an additional filter above the motor and demo models are notorious for being abused. As a previous Which member and subscriber, don't believe in everything that Which promise or print - they boost particular Miele vacuums by individual model numbers and slate other Miele vacuums from the same range just because of a different floor head design or filter...

 

Also end of the day you only get 2 year guarantee with the MR products compared to others.

 




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Post# 262230 , Reply# 31   1/7/2014 at 09:47 (3,733 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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I have the purple version of the MR it grooms the carpet really well and isn't too noisy it actually has a very nice sounding motor. For an upright it does well on hard floor too, downsides for me are the short hose but you are supposed to lift the main unit off the floorhead and carry it when you are dusting but I find that inconvenient. Also the filter gets dirty very quickly as it is only a single cyclone. I posted on another thread that Vax have now brought out a similar model now, it's on the Argos website and that has multiple cyclones and a longer hose but it is pricey at the moment.

Post# 262265 , Reply# 32   1/7/2014 at 14:04 (3,733 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Is TriStar or Filter Queen still available in the UK? Both will outperform ANY bagless "plasti-vac"

Post# 262647 , Reply# 33   1/10/2014 at 05:27 (3,730 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Keith - did you decide in the end?

As Benny responded earlier, wouldn't you want to go with a bagged upright like the Panasonic uprights including the recent 1200 watt "Optiflow" bagged upright?


Post# 262662 , Reply# 34   1/10/2014 at 10:18 (3,730 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I dont think any bagless is better than a Dyson, as if you want something like a Dyson, it's gotta be a Dyson.
Dyson is a much reliable vac.
Why not get a Refurbished Dyson like what George mentioned? (Dysondestijl)


Post# 262671 , Reply# 35   1/10/2014 at 11:28 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
it's gotta be a Dyson.

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That may have been true 5 years ago, but since the patent expired on the dual cyclone Vax, Hoover, Morphy Richards and Electrolux have all offered multi-cyclonic no loss of suction cleaners, often at half the price and with longer guaruntees.

Post# 262761 , Reply# 36   1/11/2014 at 05:36 (3,729 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Hi well, I have decided for now to stick with what I got, I had another look at Bagless Machines, I did see a Hoover Jazz for £95.00 in currys that I may go for but will need a test drive or look again at the Hoover Globe at £119.00. or Hoover Turbo Power red oat £130.00 Argos are also selling a Bissell for £49.00 but it has a terrible reputation being noisey and lets dust back into the room, pipes not great. Pity Hoover Ceased manufacturing in the UK. Vax I had a look at and many I do not like as has car filters with fail after a few uses. Tesco are selling a cheap and nasty for £37.00 but i will not bother so it could be a Jazz or a Panasonic perhaps or soi it a Dyson when the price drops. I was thinking of Morphy richards the Dyson look like not the shark as I do not like it to be honest

Post# 262762 , Reply# 37   1/11/2014 at 05:38 (3,729 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Hi well, I have decided for now to stick with what I got, I had another look at Bagless Machines, I did see a Hoover Jazz for £95.00 in currys that I may go for but will need a test drive or look again at the Hoover Globe at £119.00. or Hoover Turbo Power red oat £130.00 Argos are also selling a Bissell for £49.00 but it has a terrible reputation being noisey and lets dust back into the room, pipes not great. Pity Hoover Ceased manufacturing in the UK. Vax I had a look at and many I do not like as has car filters with fail after a few uses. Tesco are selling a cheap and nasty for £37.00 but i will not bother so it could be a Jazz or a Panasonic perhaps or soi it a Dyson when the price drops. I was thinking of Morphy richards the Dyson look like not the shark as I do not like it to be honest

Post# 262779 , Reply# 38   1/11/2014 at 10:37 (3,729 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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IM quite surprised at your response. You seemed to be of the mind that Hoover wasn't good enough for you - what has changed now?

 

You've been given quite a few brands and a few choices here, yet at the same time when relying on "reputation" how are you basing your decisions?

 

As far as I'm concerned, all bagless vacs chuck dirt back into the room. But then that's my opinion after owning so many.


Post# 262970 , Reply# 39   1/12/2014 at 06:39 (3,728 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
As far as I'm concerned, all bagless vacs chuck dirt bac

Dyson actually has the best filtration out of any bagless vacuum!


Post# 262990 , Reply# 40   1/12/2014 at 09:22 (3,728 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well I forget to mention I see yesterday an off for £99.99 at Tesco a Vax and at Argos a Vax Mach Air they claim reduced from £199.99 to £99.99. I will see if that is any good. The one at Argos has grey and purple plastic the one at Tesco a Grey Orange and darker plastic. Like everything chinese made but comes with a 6 year warranty. Yes Dyson I know as have two dyson a cylinder and cordless DC34, good machines and the five year parts and labour warranty is good, But the upright is used a lot less but it will be changed at some point.

Post# 262992 , Reply# 41   1/12/2014 at 09:41 (3,728 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Dysondestijl is correct If you want a cheap bagless alternative to Dyson, just get a refurbished one I recommend Manchestervacs.

They  do the best refurbishing out of any other people out there

They are also the better option because if you were to get a Vax mach air, a DC04 Dyson priced at £70 for example is a MUCH BETTER vacuum in every way apart from weight, but it is not made to be light Get a DC24 or DC25 is you want a non cumbersome vacuum.


Post# 262995 , Reply# 42   1/12/2014 at 10:17 (3,728 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Vax mach Air reach at 99.99 is the best of the bunch - they are pretty good if you get one that's OK and free from manufacturing defects. They seem to get problems with the hoses detaching themselves from the screw in housings, and one I bought suffered from a defective rubber seal at the join between the flap door and the bottom of the internal dust tube, causing the cyclone action to stop and dirt to get sucked past the seal and clogging the pre-filter - I ended up wrapping sellotape round the top of the housing to hold the rubber seal tighter against the bottom flap door. Despite these 2 problems they are quite good and have 2 motors.


Post# 262996 , Reply# 43   1/12/2014 at 10:22 (3,728 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I agree with Steve - the 2 motors work really well. The amount of dust sucked up out of carpets with the brush was more so tan the Hoover Urepower.

Post# 262997 , Reply# 44   1/12/2014 at 10:23 (3,728 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

tan the Hoover Urepower Hilo?


Post# 262999 , Reply# 45   1/12/2014 at 10:30 (3,728 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Here's my Mach Air Reach - I'd say its the one to go for


Post# 263000 , Reply# 46   1/12/2014 at 10:35 (3,728 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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See reply 5 and onwards. The Vax has already been mentioned. 

 

 


Post# 263166 , Reply# 47   1/13/2014 at 10:39 (3,727 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Purepower! oops

Post# 263167 , Reply# 48   1/13/2014 at 10:40 (3,727 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Than the Hoover Purepower! oops again. Bloody iPad.

Post# 263174 , Reply# 49   1/13/2014 at 12:18 (3,727 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Oh the joy of having a proper old fashioned wired modem, desktop, mouse and keyboard instead of a new-fangled iPad lol - I'm so old fashioned! Is there anyone left out there that uses desktops any more - or are you all wireless iPad or laptop users now?


Post# 263179 , Reply# 50   1/13/2014 at 12:36 (3,727 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I have an Acer C710 Chromebook which is great for what I want it for. I will be upgrading to an iPad Mini from the 4th Generation soon though. My Dad still uses a desktop however.

Post# 263184 , Reply# 51   1/13/2014 at 13:19 (3,727 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I have a Mac Mini for all my business. Laptop for everything else. Wouldn't get an iPad though.


Post# 263186 , Reply# 52   1/13/2014 at 13:34 (3,727 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

iPads take really good quality pictures plus connect up to a Wifi Printer & it is easy to print them off. You can get some really good apps but I really like the Mini to the regular sized version. I couldn't live without the Chromebook though. Google Chrome is great.

Post# 263188 , Reply# 53   1/13/2014 at 13:48 (3,727 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thing is, I'm into that many apps. Much prefer my Macbook.


Post# 263450 , Reply# 54   1/15/2014 at 13:40 (3,725 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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The Vacuum is called the Vax Reach but it may be too small, So many machines but all have problems I might just have to get a Dyson in the End.

Post# 263456 , Reply# 55   1/15/2014 at 14:33 (3,725 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

It's clear you want a dyson so you might just be better off with a dyson :)

Post# 263484 , Reply# 56   1/15/2014 at 16:54 (3,725 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Keith - what problems are there? The only thing "small" on the Vax Mach Air Reach is the dust bin = all of 1.5 litres and there's 200 air watts.

Now the cheapest Dyson upright that is selling at Currys UK is the DC25 with 220 air watts, a far heavier weight and a smaller dust bin capacity of 1.38 litres. It also has 7.5 metres cord length compared to the 12 metres length on the Vax Reach and 220 air watts. At 87dbl, the Dyson is also noisier than the 71bdl Vax and yet they both have the same motor.

Clearly what you think might be small might actually be bigger than you think!



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Post# 263497 , Reply# 57   1/15/2014 at 17:57 (3,725 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

It depends how rough you are with your vacuum cleaners, for example with the DC40/41, I hate the cracking noise it makes when you have to pull the handle backwards to release it.

Vax on the other hand, providing you get one free from defects, they are good machines - the Mach Air. Despite the supposedly small dust bin, it took a go around my house to totally fill it up, I does depend on how dirty your floors are.

Then again you could go for a Hoover Turbopower Upright - model UTP1610. That has a stair stretch hose, 12m cord & a big dust bin (2.5 litres I think?). Currently £119.99.


Post# 263498 , Reply# 58   1/15/2014 at 18:02 (3,725 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I'd be tempted to wait till next week after the launch of the new Argos catalogue, as some of the new models online will then come down in price. I am waiting to see how much the Hoover Purepower replacement - the Enigma (same model - different colour) comes down to as its not gonna stay at £199.99

There are some interesting eco Hoover bagless models too worth considering, so hold fire till they go on promotion which I suspect will be next week when the new catalogue launches.

The Vax air Reach is currently 99.99 and that's a steal - but its only until Saturday, after which I'd imagine it will be either discontinued or back to full price as the new catalogue launches.


Post# 263505 , Reply# 59   1/15/2014 at 18:29 (3,725 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

You mean the Hoover Eco-G Steve?

Post# 263508 , Reply# 60   1/15/2014 at 18:54 (3,725 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes - the Eco-G range which is what is being launched obviously to comply with the new EU regs on power consumption in 2014. I wonder if they will bring out an Eco-G Purepower model again - I know they did one a while back called the green ray, but with the new regs, the "Enigma" Purepower will be flouting the new max wattage rules later this year with it being 2300W.

We may even see a replacement lower wattage bagged upright to replace the Purepower in its entirety?


Post# 263515 , Reply# 61   1/15/2014 at 19:35 (3,725 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think it is poor that Hoover have brought out an Eco range AND then the Enigma with such a high motor. They've also slapped the Enigma name on the TeliosPlus bagged cylinder vac which is barely three years old in the UK.


Post# 263621 , Reply# 62   1/16/2014 at 19:27 (3,724 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

The only catch on the Eco-G range is that one of the wattages are provided & one of them is yet another version of the Hoover Turbo Power/Jazz which will only cause problems like it did for you & me.

I'd much rather have this...1000 Watt Motor, 72% recyclable, (even the dust bags are recyclable), made by Electrolux who in my opinion have always produced good Vacuum Cleaners, even if they under a different name.


Post# 263646 , Reply# 63   1/16/2014 at 22:33 (3,724 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I have considered this model time and time again - but it wasn't until I came on here that I read messages from actual owners where this model and a few from the range are not as well built as they should be.

The other downside for me is that dust bags for this model are hard to get unless you shop exclusively online. Our local Currys used to stock the bags for this model but not any more.


Post# 263674 , Reply# 64   1/17/2014 at 09:13 (3,723 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The UltraOne is not a good vac - the brown model with the motor head, and any with the remote switches on the handle are the worst culprits for going wrong - where they spontaneously switch themselves off when in use. I was put off buying one for that reason, and besides, Currys never had any in stock in my local stores anyway.


Post# 263718 , Reply# 65   1/17/2014 at 15:30 (3,723 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

So I shouldn't get this then?

Post# 263725 , Reply# 66   1/17/2014 at 16:03 (3,723 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The one In the pic looks like a base model with no remote controls for the motor on the handle. It seems to be that aspect that is causing the problems with them. It may be worth a punt for £100, but that's solely your decision.

Personally, I wouldn't, and nor would our UK Vac Guru sebo_fan it seems.


Post# 263727 , Reply# 67   1/17/2014 at 16:12 (3,723 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

It's just that it's 72% recycled plastic but it should be durable enough I would have thought.

Post# 263786 , Reply# 68   1/17/2014 at 20:20 (3,723 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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You will keep believing in stuff that brands want you to believe, Hi-Lo.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the UltraOne. I was very attracted to them when they first came out - I tried one at Currys and loved how super silent the motor was - even quieter than Miele at the lowest rate. But, the tools aren't as well made even if Electrolux's excellent Butterfly tool is included. One of my friends has an Ultra One and of course I got a chance to play with it.

The biggest problem I had was opening the bin door - there seems to be a knack of opening it but it is always tough and too near the main carry handle. The first time I tried it, I didn't want to exert pressure as the bin and the handle were too close.

Also the handle to the top suction tube has a press button release but it has a feeble action, often at times just able to pull the handle up and it slips out the top regardless of the button push - something to do with the plastics I guess. When my friend laughed at how old fashioned my old SEBO K1 looked, she wasn't laughing when she realised it is far better made and offered to swap - but I wouldn't dream of swapping any German vac from the Miele or SEBO stables for the UltraOne series.

I've also read reviews on the UltraOne where the cord length may be longer than Miele but has trouble rewinding back in.


Post# 264094 , Reply# 69   1/19/2014 at 14:25 (3,721 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well I got the New Argos and you are right the newer models are the same price or Cheaper, I noticed that Hoover have a new Pure Power with long hose but no longer with the five warranty but a reasonable price of £124.oo. Gold is rather a strange colour a bit 1960's.

Post# 264391 , Reply# 70   1/21/2014 at 17:04 (3,719 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

With regards to the comments about the Ultraone by AEG, I looked through a few old threads & found the one titled UK Hoover Turbopower for sale in the USA. Like you say,sebo_fan, you shouldn't be put off just because a Vacuum is made in China. EVen though it might not be the case now, I have found that Electrolux have made vacuums that last well regardless of where they are made - even the Boss Uprights that were made in China 10 years ago are still going strong, plenty I have seen.

I am pretty sure the AEG is pretty well made anyway, it might be a bit of a let down that they used to be made in Europe but perhaps they still are, i've no idea.


Post# 264408 , Reply# 71   1/21/2014 at 19:04 (3,719 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, HiLO as I said, after sampling one for real and noted of the design imperfections, outwith that and that fact that the dust bags for the model are also hard to get. My friend gets hers online. Meanwhile I do like shopping online don't get me wrong but if I make a special visit to John Lewis where all my Miele filters and bags, not to mention SEBO bits are available, I'd expect JL to stock in the bags for the AEG but apparently it hasn't been much of a good seller.

In my opinion if you are going to stump up cash for a premium cylinder vac, it should be a Miele and for a bigger home, SEBO.


Post# 264744 , Reply# 72   1/25/2014 at 17:39 (3,715 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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Keith, 

 

We have a Dyson shop as many here know. We sell recon machines. No need to spend £300. We do a re-manufactured DC07 with a year guarantee that we have never had a single one back of (also have parts to do a lime green DC04 that is mostly new). Almost everything is new on them, except the outer casings. We really go to town on them. Link is below to the page if the mods allow it. 

 

On the subject of Vax, let me tell you a view from within the trade: People bring us Vax machines in every day of the week to repair (although it only says Dyson outside - but that's people), they are like a cheap Dyson knock off. The parts are expensive, the engineering is dreadful, parts are a pain to look up, much is unavailable, and for us, most are not economical repairs. We tell customers that Vax is a disposable machine - that's why they are cheap. When they break, unless something very simple, simply bin them and get a better machine. There is a reason why they are cheap! Added to which, they are a total pain to strip down. 

 

A Dyson - an older one - is like a Morris Minor. You can always fix them, everything is available (excepting the DC01) and they are a proper thing. Everything else bagless is just a copy of a Dyson. 

 

Vax fans - flame away! 

 

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Post# 264786 , Reply# 73   1/26/2014 at 01:54 (3,715 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

There is nothing wrong with people buying a Vax. Vax are aimed at the bottom part of the market. They represent better value than a Dyson, and both brands are made in the far East at the end of the day, and both cheaply made at that.

Dyson aims his vacs mainly at well off men, who like toys. Vax aim their vacs at plain ordinary folk who cant afford a Dyson and just want a cheap and cheerful vac to clean their houses. Some Vax machines are good, and some are very poor, but at the end of the day, its all about PRICE. Coming from Gorton - you must realise that people aint made of money, and no doubt if you weren't selling cheap old Dysons, your customers would not buy new ones, and buy Vax or Hoover instead.

I cannot understand why you would shun repairing a Vax, if the customer is prepared to pay you for it. Parts ARE available for Vax machines - I have no trouble finding them online.


Post# 264792 , Reply# 74   1/26/2014 at 04:31 (3,714 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Vax such as Steve says - are aimed at the people who realise that they do not need a Dyson, they realise that Dysons are just fashion accessories, they're no better made than Vax, & that is why Vax is now the No.1 selling brand in the UK. They sell so many different models at different prices, such as the £69.99 Zoom Reach, which has 10m of cord & I have never seen a Dyson to have that amount of cord.

Post# 264793 , Reply# 75   1/26/2014 at 04:50 (3,714 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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Quote: Coming from Gorton - you must realise that people aint made of money

 

Our location is of little relevance FWIW. We sell very little locally. But I agree that the area our shop is in is an economic wasteland. 


Post# 264797 , Reply# 76   1/26/2014 at 05:08 (3,714 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If you sell very little locally, why do you think that is? What do you think people are buying instead of buying a refurbished Dyson from your shop? After all, most homes have a vacuum cleaner, and you are selling your Dysons for about the same price as a new Vax.

 

If people love Dysons as much as James Dyson thinks they do, how come you don't do much trade locally, where you are giving the good folk of Manchester the chance to get a Dyson at Vax prices?

 

The big problem is now that every Tom Dick and Harry has jumped on the Dyson refurb bandwagon, and the likes of Ebay is flooded with refurbed DC04/07/08/14/25  etc etc.


Post# 264798 , Reply# 77   1/26/2014 at 05:28 (3,714 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
I agree with ManchesterVacs

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the vax is a dyson wannabe, personally I cant stand any other bag less then a dyson, I dont do cheap knock offs its either the real thing or nothing, Im what you would call a vacuum snob, I think what ManchesterVacs is doing is good, as some people cant afford a dyson at full price can get the opportunity to get one practically new, also ManchesterVacs, I wouldn't admit a dislike for something on here, for some reason unless its a dyson hate no one will like it.

Post# 264799 , Reply# 78   1/26/2014 at 05:36 (3,714 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Michael - have you got the DC54 yet? am wondering when one of our UK members will buy one and put up some pics of it one here, and a detailed review. They are in Argos now - a mere snip at £459.99, I'm sure your dad might buy you one?


Post# 264805 , Reply# 79   1/26/2014 at 06:36 (3,714 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
I'm sure your dad might buy you one?

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not really sure wether that was meant to be a bitchy comment, and no I may get one in a year or 2 as I want to see if the whole cyclone filterless system actually works, and FYI my dad doesn't buy me them

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Post# 264810 , Reply# 82   1/26/2014 at 07:07 (3,714 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I'm actually going to get one I'm just trying to pick between two colours currys have one in blue and Everywhere else Does red Currys dc54 Is an exclusive And comes with a An extra Crevice tool So what colour would you go for?

Post# 264811 , Reply# 83   1/26/2014 at 07:22 (3,714 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well, naturally the one to get would be the DC54 Animal, which has the turbine head. They sell them in Argos. But I cannot justify the price, no matter how much I want to try one out, they are just too expensive for me.


Post# 264812 , Reply# 84   1/26/2014 at 07:31 (3,714 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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The one in the picture is an animal Is Justin in blue

Post# 264813 , Reply# 85   1/26/2014 at 07:33 (3,714 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
colors

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josh go for the blue I think it looks nicer, plus the blue go's very well with the metallic silver

Post# 264814 , Reply# 86   1/26/2014 at 07:40 (3,714 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

When you get it joshyvacboy, put a detailed review on it up on your youtube channel, explaining and demonstrating how the new cyclone system works. for £460 it had better be exceptionally good, and your reviews are always very detailed.


Post# 264819 , Reply# 87   1/26/2014 at 09:50 (3,714 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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madabouthoovers, I don't think your continual questions are relevant to the topic, so I wont respond to them here. Feel free to send me an email if you have burning off topic questions. 


Post# 264821 , Reply# 88   1/26/2014 at 09:53 (3,714 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well the Trouble as with all products firms copy each other. Sadly the make things cheaper and cheaper has resulted the marked flooded with poor quality items. I may decide in the end to go for eather.

1) A Third Dyson, but Upright
2) Hoover Turbo Power No loss of Suction.

I saw a Zanuusi which is copying the Colour of the First Dyson. The Chinese knock off made by a Third Party but owned by Electrolux.



Post# 264822 , Reply# 89   1/26/2014 at 09:54 (3,714 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well the Trouble as with all products firms copy each other. Sadly the make things cheaper and cheaper has resulted the marked flooded with poor quality items. I may decide in the end to go for eather.

1) A Third Dyson, but Upright
2) Hoover Turbo Power No loss of Suction.

I saw a Zanuusi which is copying the Colour of the First Dyson. The Chinese knock off made by a Third Party but owned by Electrolux.



Post# 264823 , Reply# 90   1/26/2014 at 09:57 (3,714 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

The Hoover Turbo Power Upright would be a good choice, they're about £124.99 when on offer so a good price, plus they have a 12m cord & 4.5m hose plus a 5 year guarantee too.

Post# 264829 , Reply# 91   1/26/2014 at 11:46 (3,714 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
My penultimate final thoughts...

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Yes HiLo but the Turbo Power or Jazz type uprights are heavy. The Vax Mach Air Reach rules supreme because of its size, agility and compactness - sorry but it does.

Keith, the main problem here is that whilst your opinion outlines what most members know about Chinese built bagless vacuums, the only other alternatives are to consider vintage vacuums or go down the premium bagged vacuum cleaner route. That's where you will find a better separation of things that aren't so copied, even if premium brands like Bosch, Miele and SEBO all use Wessel Werk floor heads. Other European brands are beginning to use the same as a way to up the ante in quality tools.

End of the day a few members including I have suggested the Vax Mach Air Reach model. Clearly, it offers something better than all the rest; the brand also have more widespread spares than Hoover do with their bagless parts required. Vax also still have their 6 year guarantee as the final bonus for any buyer.

Also these vacuums are all merely machines. They're designed to offer the vacuum cleaner principle for buyers, NOT Collectors, You can't change what the brands are doing in so far as producing what they are doing per spec, but as a buyer you have the option to check out what you want.

Finally, I must refer to your "occasional use" phrase. If it was the case that you were really up for a Dyson for occasional use, then give it a second thought. I think you would be asking for too much with an "alternative to a Dyson," where originality is concerned and where bagless, cyclonic filters are different from one to the next. If you have the money, what's stopping you from buying a Dyson?? They're not all £300 - the latest price slash on the DC25 upright is £219 FROM £299.

Or a refurbished Dyson? Either way, if you are serious about buying something for occasional use, you need a simple design that is going to perform well. ALL of the bagless alternatives can do that, but there are some which are better designed than others. You just need to put in the research to know the difference and be prepared to put up with compromise.


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Post# 265930 , Reply# 92   2/3/2014 at 14:19 (3,706 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well, Looks like my old yellow friend is starting to go now eg the pedal has started to click and saw black parts on the floor. I looked at MAnchester Vacs but they sell a Machine not a Dyson for £129.99 claim it is under Hoover in Australia. But looks a copy of Vax. Once I have new carpets fitted new week. See how i get on

Post# 265935 , Reply# 93   2/3/2014 at 14:41 (3,706 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
But looks a copy of Vax

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Well, all Vax's multi-cyclonic machines are rebadged US Hoover's, being that they're made by the same parent company, so it's likely not to be a copy of a Vax so much as it IS a Vax just under a different name


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