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New color Royal bag... |
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Post# 261538   1/1/2014 at 23:17 (3,738 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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At 7 minutes 30 seconds you see this new color on a Royal. The video talks about direct air vs clean air & a metal Royal vs a Dyson ball machine. But that dark brown bag rocks imo.
I saw this same model brown Royal in person last year but neglected to snap a picture. Now i see one here in this video so i can share it here... CLICK HERE TO GO TO stricklybojack's LINK |
Post# 261551 , Reply# 1   1/2/2014 at 01:50 (3,738 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 261560 , Reply# 2   1/2/2014 at 05:06 (3,737 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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Shoot, that video was uploaded in 2011, and the model shown may be a year or more older than that. In the video, he says it's a model 8300. Looks like Cordovan to me, which would be nice, but I still prefer burgundy.
Quick question for you Royal lovers. Hope I can get an honest answer. Between the Everlast and a Sanitaire 886, does one clean significantly better than the other? IMO, they seem about equal. Equal suction, agitation, and noise. I do think the Royal would be more durable over time, but it's three times the price when purchased new. I'll take the Royal in used condition, but I can't blame a vacuum store for selling Royals over Sanitaire with that much higher profit margin. |
Post# 261563 , Reply# 3   1/2/2014 at 06:48 (3,737 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)   |   | |
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The only major distinction I'd make is that the Royal has attachments available and uses a top-fill bag. Beyond that, they're pretty comparable, yeah. |
Post# 261572 , Reply# 4   1/2/2014 at 10:44 (3,737 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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Post# 261577 , Reply# 5   1/2/2014 at 11:03 (3,737 days old) by Kelpie ()   |   | |
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Are any Royals still made in the USA? |
Post# 261578 , Reply# 6   1/2/2014 at 11:17 (3,737 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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Now that I'm on a desktop PC, it does look brown. I still prefer Burgundy, but that brown would be nice on your gold plated unit!
If Sanitaire could find a way to put a foot height adjuster on the SC889A, I might trade the Royal 4008 for it. As it is, that feature keeps the Royal out in front for me. |
Post# 261580 , Reply# 7   1/2/2014 at 12:22 (3,737 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)   |   | |
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AFAIK, all Royals are made in China now. Fortunately, their QC doesn't seem to have gotten markedly worse. |
Post# 261628 , Reply# 9   1/3/2014 at 05:01 (3,736 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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There's nothing particularly close tolerance in these units. The design is basically the same as it was fifty years ago. As long as the nuts & bolts stay SAE, and parts are readily available, it really doesn't matter where it's made to me. I believe they still have a 7-year factory warranty, so how bad can they be?
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Post# 261636 , Reply# 10   1/3/2014 at 06:28 (3,736 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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To some dealers where the machine was built does matter-The idea of the machines built in China turns some customers and dealers off.I know of two dealers that won't stock Royal machines becuase of being built in China. |
Post# 261643 , Reply# 12   1/3/2014 at 07:54 (3,736 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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That's funny. The lion's share of the money spent on those "China" vacs ends up in USA pockets anyway. Probably mostly to certain dealers. The same model 8300 sells from $400 to $750 or more. Matter of fact, how many dollars worth of parts differences are there from the $300.00 commercial models to the $750.00 ones? Maybe $40.00. That's a LOT of dollar difference, and I doubt China sees much of it.
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Post# 261743 , Reply# 14   1/4/2014 at 07:41 (3,735 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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At what point is an item not "Made In USA"? If every single component is made abroad, yet assembled here, is it "Made In USA? Is it OK if the nuts & bolts are made in China, but the castings made here? What if the castings are made in Mexico, but machined & polished here? What if the vaunted roller bearings are made elsewhere?
The zipper on my 4008, manufactured in 2000, seems a little flaky. It may have been made in China, even though the machine was built here. I lubed it, and it's functioning OK, but I'll have it replaced by a talented, Filipina seamstress when it gives out. And, it will be higher quality than the original, for less than the cost of a replacement roller. I couldn't care less if this tool ends up being multi-ethnic! Once upon a time, Japan was known for making junk. A few decades later their products set the standard. I blame Royal for letting quality slip over there. China is more than capable of building a quality vacuum. It's just not that complicated. I wonder how many customers would be willing to pay several hundred more for the same vacuum, just because it's made here? And, there's no way I'd cough up more than $400 (hell, not even $350) for a new one, no matter where it's made! CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK |
Post# 262252 , Reply# 16   1/7/2014 at 12:40 (3,732 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 262363 , Reply# 17   1/8/2014 at 03:03 (3,731 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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No matter what the content-I do like BOTH my VitaMix and Blendtec machines--Lets see--WILL IT BLEND?I DON'T make the cell phone "smoothies" as they do on the Blendtec site.Does show how tough the machine is! |
Post# 262724 , Reply# 18   1/10/2014 at 23:15 (3,729 days old) by chan55 (Green Bay, WI)   |   | |
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How well do the tools work on those metal Royals? They must be a pain to put on? |
Post# 262774 , Reply# 21   1/11/2014 at 09:51 (3,728 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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If the current price of a new Kirby is any indication of the cost to have things made by American workers, it's no wonder everybody is moving production overseas. Not even the people screaming about this issue are willing to pay that price!
As stupid and poor the decision is to buy inferior, disposable junk, that's what drives the corporate decisions of what to build and where. Royal Vacuum sales grew from just under $5 million in 1981 to approximately $408 million in 2000. They went from building quality metal vacuums to plastic, disposable junk. Consumers drove that direction. Catering to the few people willing to pay for quality would NOT have produced that growth. |