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Sebo, Dyson, Numatic or Miele? |
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Post# 258397 , Reply# 1   12/3/2013 at 05:56 (3,768 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Matt,
What a great post, very interesting reading your findings - a bit like reading a consumer report on the current top cleaners in the UK. Firstly, all of the machines are good choices. I've always been a firm believer that if you want bagless, get a Dyson. I do agree with you about the build quality on the newer machines though. If you compare the DC41 and DC25, though the DC41 is slightly higher performing, the 25 is a far more sturdy machine. And for the price the machine retails for, I would expect a MUCH more solid machine. Completely agree about the Sebo. I know a fair few people find the computer controlled height adjustment quite frustrating, personally I've never had a problem with it. And yes, the positioning of the hose is a pain and does make the cleaner topple over at times. It's all about balance, though - no machine is perfect. As for Numatic vs. the Miele, I agree that this would be a hard choice. I'd be tempted to stick with Numatic purely as they're more energy and cost efficient and also far more robust and could be used for messy DIY jobs or cleaning out the car, garage/workshop, utility and other messy areas. You mentioned that "the Miele has nearly twice the motor wattage and therefore does seem to get deeper down into the carpets". This is the only comment you've made about that I really have to challange. Firstly, as has been proven time and time again, the motor wattage is often not directly linked to the suction. Secondly, I wouldn't want to use a straight suction cylinder on a carpet. The Numatic AiroBrush, I've found, does a pretty equal job on carpets to the Miele turbobrush despite having slightly less suction, largely due to the brushroll being in a fixed position on the Numatic whereas it pivots within the floorhead on the Miele. If you're keeping the Sebo for carpets, would it make much difference which cylinder you keep for bare floors? After all, there is no "deep cleaning" that really needs to happen on a bare floor like it does with a carpet. Either what, whatever you decide, the most important thing is to find what works best for you :). Keep us posted. All the best, Chris |
Post# 258398 , Reply# 2   12/3/2013 at 06:05 (3,768 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 258410 , Reply# 5   12/3/2013 at 08:18 (3,768 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Matt,
My apologies, I'm with you now. I agree, the increase in performance on the Miele will largely be due to the floorhead being a more efficient design, making better use of less suction on a lower setting. Nice choice with the Miele washer. Mine is nearly 5 years old now and *touch wood* has not been a problem. It's a consistently good machine, you won't doubt your purchase. Chris |
Post# 258422 , Reply# 6   12/3/2013 at 08:35 (3,768 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I think if it was me, I'd keep the Miele S8 for indoors and the Henry for outside tasks like cleaning the car. The hose length and cord length alone from Henry beats the Miele S8 but they can be easily swapped around per tasks.
For convenience though, the more modern Miele wins hands down, not just from tool storage or the one touch auto cord rewind, but also for the fact the S8 is lighter and easier to store. The only aspects that Henry wins over is the longer cord, bigger dust capacity, far better durability, cheaper running costs and the longer hose. But don't forget you're comparing a domestic model only sledge vacuum with an industrial led tub vacuum. Henry's 1100/1200 watt motor is never going to be as good as Miele's S8 with its 2200 watts power outright. I now have an S8 Ecoline and eventually I may sell my S5211 Red Pearl. The S8 Ecoline 1200 watt would be a fairer comparison to Henry. As an owner of Henry and James, I was never keen on the Numatic suction only floor head. Oh it does a great job of pick up but unless you have the air outlet valve open, its like pushing a bag of spuds across the floor (potatoes). Fit it with a Hoover branded 32mm turbo brush or as Chris says, even Numatic's own Airohead and lighter pushing is guaranteed. I find Miele's floor head is only difficult to push with an empty bag and full power applied. I also find that the Miele suction only floor heads pick up better than Henry's standard. I put this down to the design of the floor head rather than the power that the vacuum cleaner exerts. Numatic haven't changed their floor heads in recent years, but I'm sure if they had the same Wessel Werk floor head that Miele buy from that company, they would have the same kind of pick up characteristics. As for your X4 Pet, it is far better to use the extended hose. I use mine all the time to do curtains with and the upright never falls down. It will if the extended hose is NOT attached however. |
Post# 258452 , Reply# 8   12/3/2013 at 15:50 (3,767 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)   |   | |
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Hello Matt,
I bet your local retailer loves you, there all machines I'd like to own. I can't offer any opinions on those vacuums as I've never owned any of them, but I enjoyed reading your review. Personally I get bored using the same couple of cleaners every week so don't get rid of too many! :) Dan |
Post# 258861 , Reply# 9   12/7/2013 at 18:27 (3,763 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)   |   | |
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Post# 259449 , Reply# 11   12/14/2013 at 05:46 (3,757 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 259457 , Reply# 12   12/14/2013 at 09:11 (3,757 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Matt,
Well that was an unexpected turn. Glad you're pleased with the purchase. Can we expect any pics at all? 6ft3 with a cylinder? God, I'm 5ft8 and I struggle with some cylinders. Glad to hear it has long tubes. How are you finding the performance of the Dyson vs. the Miele and Henry? Anything you particularly prefer on the Dyson or anything you miss about the other 2? Chris |
Post# 259461 , Reply# 13   12/14/2013 at 10:15 (3,757 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)   |   | |
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I love my clear Sebo X4, and my Sears Kenmore branded X2 and last but not least my Windsor Sensation which is an early version X1. I also love my Mieles, however all of mine aside from the clear demo S500 have a power nozzle with them. I don't really have much use for a turbonozzle, with a few limited exceptions. Numatic is one of the machines I have yet to get, but they have been sold here for commercial use since at least the 70s or 80s just not very widely. Excellent machines I think.
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Post# 259483 , Reply# 14   12/14/2013 at 15:03 (3,757 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 259701 , Reply# 16   12/16/2013 at 13:21 (3,755 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 259704 , Reply# 17   12/16/2013 at 15:42 (3,755 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Unimpressed? No, and I don't recall saying anything about a Dyson lasting for a shorter time, either. I think you're trying to put words in my post that didn't exist..
The only reason I said that you "may have regrets in the future about Miele or Henry," is simply because both are good examples of bagged cylinder vacuums, totally at the opposite of each other in what they can provide. They're not like a bagged Electrolux Powerplus with poor thin plastic and a burning rear, or a Hoover equivalent with just as thin quality. Both Henry and Miele have longer hoses for a start compared to Hoover or Electrolux bagged cylinders. As for your new Dyson DC39, well it has the same cord length as the Miele S8 so it is no wonder you find it similar. However, I much prefer the "one touch" auto cord rewind pedal on the S8 plus the fact that the new buttons on the S8 are just a soft touch nature thus adding to the kudos of the vacuum. No more bending down required to change the suction setting, even when the Miele cylinder vac is put into the upright position - and in either vertical or upright position of the main body of the vacuum means I don't have to breathe in the motor air. |
Post# 259705 , Reply# 18   12/16/2013 at 15:45 (3,754 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I tried the DC39 at John Lewis when I saw it. I was quite impressed with the ball on it, but in all honesty, its not any different to the smaller castors on a Miele cylinder or SEBO cylinder. Dyson of course does offer a good argument to brands who choose to use two fixed wheels on the rear end, but that doesn't mean all brands suffer.
I also don't like the tubes - they're far too thick in my opinion. Much prefer thinner, easier and less bulkier tubes and hose. |
Post# 259710 , Reply# 19   12/16/2013 at 15:59 (3,754 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)   |   | |
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Sebo_fan... Sorry I didn't mean to put words into your mouth at all... With you saying you hoped I didn't regret it I just assumed you were hinting at the fact I would regret it further down the line and just trying to be polite. My mistake - things can get misinterpreted online |
Post# 259712 , Reply# 21   12/16/2013 at 16:06 (3,754 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)   |   | |
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Full from just the landing.... |
Post# 259713 , Reply# 22   12/16/2013 at 16:07 (3,754 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)   |   | |
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Nearly full again after starting on living room! |
Post# 259714 , Reply# 23   12/16/2013 at 16:09 (3,754 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)   |   | |
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MASSIVE THANKS TO TURBO500!!! I hadn't tried that feature of the site... had tried multiple times to upload from my photobucket and then just gave up! |
Post# 259715 , Reply# 24   12/16/2013 at 16:30 (3,754 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 259790 , Reply# 25   12/17/2013 at 03:24 (3,754 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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