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Thread Number: 22773
New Carpet with Vacuum Limits |
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| Post# 254626 , Reply# 2 10/30/2013 at 18:41 (3,829 days old) by tdembroidery () | ||
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Recommended Vacuum Cleaners Here is a link to the pamphlet of Recommended Vacuum Cleaners. CLICK HERE TO GO TO tdembroidery's LINK | ||
| Post# 254628 , Reply# 3 10/30/2013 at 18:48 (3,829 days old) by ncovert (Grove City, PA) | ||
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At least you can still use a Kirby. But really, how are they going to know you use one of the vacuums that isn't allowed? | ||
| Post# 254630 , Reply# 4 10/30/2013 at 19:02 (3,829 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Thanks for posting but...
What a lot of old marketing hoof. The brand should be ashamed of themselves. They've cobbled together uprights that are clearly dirty fan and then added bagless clean fan uprights like Eureka's Airspeed etc. No surprise to see Miele top of the list with various models. It is a bit unfair to anyone who owns Hoover etc that isn't part of this "elite list."
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| Post# 254631 , Reply# 5 10/30/2013 at 19:03 (3,829 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Central vacs and PN's "suggested" | ||
| Post# 254632 , Reply# 6 10/30/2013 at 19:06 (3,829 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO) | ||
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Well, you could use one of the more powerful Miele power nozzles - if I remember correctly, their SEB 228 is a re-badged Wessel Werk EBK360. | ||
| Post# 254634 , Reply# 7 10/30/2013 at 20:31 (3,829 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
This makes me wonder
Have they forgotten some of the lesser known high end brands? There is no lindhaus or sebo i see. Why is it that the wessel werks EBK 360 can be used but the EBK 340 cannot? I also see that The tandem air vacuums don't make the list either only the lower end clean air ones do.
I guess i don't really get exactly what they are looking for It probably would have been easier to refer customers to the CRI's approved vacuums they've covered many more vacuums. I'm not sure if they have done things like Patriot or Silver king either though. | ||
| Post# 254635 , Reply# 8 10/30/2013 at 21:42 (3,829 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 254636 , Reply# 9 10/30/2013 at 21:43 (3,829 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
Get Mohawk Carpeting Instead... | ||
| Post# 254680 , Reply# 10 10/30/2013 at 23:27 (3,829 days old) by starryblues4u (Charlotte, NC) | ||
Mohawk carpeting  | ||
| Post# 254708 , Reply# 12 10/31/2013 at 05:41 (3,829 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Nt even a clutched Dyson is allowed? I thought they were "Wimpy" on American carpets? :/ | ||
| Post# 254711 , Reply# 13 10/31/2013 at 05:55 (3,829 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Nt even a clutched Dyson is allowed?
Tayyab, it's a lot of rubbish. The vacuum companies will be paying the carpet company to recommend their product. It's quite obvious as there appears to be no reason for the approved list. There's no pattern or reason in the cleaners chosen.
My local carpet shop has "We recommend" signs up around the shop, based on floor type. They always recommend Sebo, Miele, Dyson, Numatic and Nilfisk depending on the floortype. The shop vac is a Sebo BS36. Also, did the US ever actually get the clutched Dyson models? | ||
Post# 254714 , Reply# 14 10/31/2013 at 06:38 (3,829 days old) by tolivac  (Greenville,NC) |
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Didn't in years past most carpet companies recommended Hoover Convertable type vacuums-some carpet places even GAVE you one free when you had WW carpet installed to take care of it. | ||
| Post# 254716 , Reply# 15 10/31/2013 at 06:40 (3,829 days old) by ncovert (Grove City, PA) | ||
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Sam, that's exactly what I was thinking. How would they know that you actually used the vacuum that you show them? | ||
| Post# 254730 , Reply# 17 10/31/2013 at 08:25 (3,829 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Yes the US market did have the clutched Dyson vacuums from DC07 to DC33 models. | ||
| Post# 254771 , Reply# 21 10/31/2013 at 17:13 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I never had this problem with Dysons but on large area rugs the edges have been SHREDDED especially the corners, I can post pics but later when I have time hopefully | ||
| Post# 254787 , Reply# 22 10/31/2013 at 20:52 (3,828 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.) | ||
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Well this certainly is contradictory to what we hear a lot of on this site. Several people here constantly scream you must have a stiff brush roll to clean. Then you hear that they are too aggressive and will ruin it. Who do we believe? | ||
| Post# 254788 , Reply# 23 10/31/2013 at 21:12 (3,828 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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It would be good to know however if this carpet /Shaw carpet is a premium product that betters all others.
If however the carpet is no better than the average, then the whole marketing suggestions of vacuums is a bit too much to ask for. After all, you don't get brands like Samsung stipulating what kinds of floors their larger appliances like freezers etc should sit on. Why should it be the other way around? Surely if the carpet in question is of a premium nature, it should stand up to any vacuum cleaner regardless of what it is made from? | ||
| Post# 254797 , Reply# 24 11/1/2013 at 01:12 (3,828 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
I wouldn't have believed it ...
... if I didn't see it for myself.
I'd been using my Fantom Thunder since Day One with my new wool rugs (which I purchased 7 years ago). The one rug is vivid orange and red, so it was really apparent seeing the carpet fibers in the Fantom's dust bin. I knew, though, that new rugs "shed", so I wasn't alarmed. 7 years later, though -- it finally dawned on me that I shouldn't STILL be seeing big clumps of orange fibers every time I vacuum. Just out of curiosity, I ripped open the first full bag from my new Aerus Platinum. Lots of dust and cat hair (the sucker was like a brick!), but nary an orange fiber. | ||
| Post# 254801 , Reply# 26 11/1/2013 at 01:56 (3,828 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
Been there, done all that. Had a very dense, deep pile carpet installed in the guest bedroom a few years ago that it seemed no vacuum cleaner could cope with. We went through several different vacs, only to get them home and find that they either couldn't clean the carpet or would get severely bogged down in it. Over a space of time the carpet got filthier (if you parted the pile and inspected all the way down to the backing, you could see dirt and grit rapidly accumulating between the tufts), and we became increasingly frustrated at the amount of time and hassle involved in trying to care for it.
The Sebo X pulled fibres out by the handful with the stiff brush roller fitted, and bogged down with the soft roller. Dyson managed to do both at the same time. A Vax commercial upright burned through belts every single time it was used, and Vorwerk did well aside from that fact that it was so light it couldn't sink deep enough into the pile to clean much below the surface. No cylinder, whether straight suction or turbo head equipped, would even touch this carpet. I recall the only cleaners that did work were Filter Queen and Kirby, both of which were completely impractical for use in an apartment; the former gets hung up on furniture and has too many cables to plug and unplug, while the latter is ridiculously big and heavy for a home of this size. The carpet dealer was very helpful, and when a home visit was carried out they tried their own commercial Sebo and Electrolux uprights on the carpet with the same results. They concluded that it was indeed virtually impossible to keep clean, and agreed that we had already tried more than enough different vacuums on it already in search of a solution. With no further ado, they took the carpet up and replaced it with another of our choice, so we played it safe and sprung for the same short berber we have elsewhere in the house. It cleans easily and wears well, and pretty much any vacuum will do a good job on it. | ||
| Post# 254842 , Reply# 28 11/1/2013 at 12:14 (3,827 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 259038 , Reply# 31 12/9/2013 at 00:29 (3,790 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Should I use the "double-helix" brush or the green HPO brush roller on my TriStar EXL or Electrolux for vacing Karastan or "silk" carpets? Or will I need to use a different vacuum? | ||
| Post# 287100 , Reply# 33 7/3/2014 at 16:54 (3,583 days old) by paulg (my sweet home Chicago) | ||
Tests for the average carpet buyer... ideas
Considering the dilemma of certain vacuum cleaners not working optimally on certain brands of carpet (or carpet types), two things come to mind:
A) Should a person buy a swatch of carpet BEFORE buying a roomful and then take that carpet to various vacuum cleaner stores to audition a vacuum cleaner to ensure it works well without damage to carpet or cleaner? and/or B) Considering the fact that the current lifespan of a typical vacuum cleaner is less than the lifespan of the carpet - one should buy a roomful of carpet AND a test swatch that they roll up and store away. When the current vacuum cleaner has reached end-of-life, you have a test patch of carpet to test your replacement vacuum cleaner. Comments welcome. | ||
| Post# 287129 , Reply# 34 7/3/2014 at 19:49 (3,583 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Just how far does the guarantee actually go?
Or just buy two rolls of carpet, keep one in storage and use it when the old carpet wears out?
Considering that companies go as far to state that other pieces of furniture can flatten and effectively destroy carpet as well as "different footwear," it seems to me that the marketing spin on advising buyers on types of suitable vacuums are about as handy as a fart in a bag. Put simply, you can invalidate your carpet's so-called guarantee without even rolling any vacuum cleaner on it and endanger it simply by walking on it with footwear that can scuff a carpet. Or have the manufacturers of carpets side tracked this issue? I know we don't all tread on carpet in our bare feet all of the time? | ||
| Post# 287148 , Reply# 35 7/3/2014 at 22:51 (3,583 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 287229 , Reply# 38 7/4/2014 at 12:54 (3,582 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
Carpet nightmare... If you read some of the replies to this thread above, you will see a list of recommended upright bagged vacuums. Kirby is on that list. Therefore I would recommend a Kirby G series with Tech Drive which would alleviate the Hard to push problem. I would install the Gentle or soft bristle brushroll on that G series Kirby.
Keep in mind that the Kirby Sentria is on CRI's (Carpet and Rug Institute) Gold Seal of approval list which means it has been tested on a multitude of different carpet styles and makes for superior cleaning ability and gentleness to carpet fibers. | ||
| Post# 287254 , Reply# 39 7/4/2014 at 21:33 (3,582 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY) | ||
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I was thinking about this again, the Airspeed has really stiff bristles on its roller. I'd think it would be bad, on the fibers of a particularly sensitive carpet. I wouldn't hesitate to use my Rainbow on it, but I'd shy away from something too aggressive. I'd even use an older Kirby than the Sentria. | ||
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Post# 287291 , Reply# 40 7/5/2014 at 05:12 (3,582 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Its a good point Stan has brought up if the Kirby has a Gold seal approval from the Carpet-Rug Institute-must be OK to use on any carpet.No problems when I have used Kirbys-just mostly find Dirt-dust in the bag when I have done Kirby disposable bag "autopsys" | ||
| Post# 287300 , Reply# 41 7/5/2014 at 08:07 (3,582 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Im aware of CRI but I don't believe half of it. They have awarded all of SEBOs uprights with a Bronze seal of approval, yet Silver seal of approval for the similarly known Windsor 370 series, which gets a Bronze seal with the SEBO label. They're both the same but for the badge.
Miele's S7 isn't even listed. | ||
| Post# 287303 , Reply# 42 7/5/2014 at 09:08 (3,582 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Nar, I'm just speculating here but I believe the reason CRI gave the SEBO uprights a bronze rating is because they have a brushroll that may be too soft and not aggressive enough for some types of carpet. The Windsor does not have the automatic carpet height adjustment which has proven to be a problem on some types of plush high pile carpet.
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| Post# 287364 , Reply# 43 7/5/2014 at 18:15 (3,581 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Stan - I don't mind what rating the SEBO gets. They've already been approved by other carpet brands such as Axminster carpets and I am aware that the brushrolls may well be softer and gentler since the X series are advertised as being gentle vacuums.
However CRI obviously have a discrepancy with SEBO - the Versamatic with manual adjustment is the SAME AS THE SEBO 370 models.
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| Post# 287378 , Reply# 45 7/5/2014 at 21:02 (3,581 days old) by marks_here (_._) | ||
That's my favourite colour | ||
| Post# 287509 , Reply# 47 7/6/2014 at 17:08 (3,580 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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CRI testing proceedure
Luxman107:
I don't know where you get your infolrmation, but CRI is an independant and impartial testing facility as shown by a portion of their testing agreement and application form below: (c) Vacuum Cleaner Testing and Test Protocols - The product performance tests will be conducted in a uniform and impartial manner by a testing facility which is independent of CRI, and is under contract with CRI for performance of Program testing. The Company’s product unit type(s) shall be tested using consensus-based test standards to determine product performance. The company time frame for completion of said testing Said standards are attached hereto as Exhibit A. The entire document can be viewed at the link below. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sptyks's LINK | ||
| Post# 287874 , Reply# 48 7/9/2014 at 02:59 (3,578 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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It may be an independent company but it isn't an official body that recognises every brand, - your link provides the answers.
CRI are an independent company but they are also providing a voluntary service which doesn't require every brand to sign up to. It may be a very clear contract but the only bonus that brands stand to win is the unnecessary promotion of that model or brand, if the machine passes the tests that CRI performs. If it doesn't then, the brand and model has already been recorded on CRI's books for future public viewing. However, what about GHI? How many awards are necessary for buyers to believe in a particular vacuum cleaner model if the standard marketing by sellers or commercial media companies aren't enough? And when does a buyer stand back and get a chance to put forward their own viewpoint? No wonder buyers are confused all the time. It isn't just the variety of vacuums that buyers face, or the different prices, but also the marketing spin, claims and sometimes, even the awards that come with them. Witness the "British Allergy Foundation," Seal of Approval. Totally unbelievable if its a bagless vacuum that the seal comes with. Yet buyers believe in it.... 
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| Post# 287892 , Reply# 49 7/9/2014 at 09:47 (3,578 days old) by DesertTortoise () | ||
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Who is paying for the testing? | ||
| Post# 287894 , Reply# 50 7/9/2014 at 09:59 (3,578 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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So, Sebo_fan, what's your point???
No testing corporation can force a vacuum manufacturer to have it's vacuums tested. But it IS to the vacuum manufacture's advantage to have their products tested unless, of course, a particular manufacturer knows it's vacuum cleaners are inferior to their competitors products. As a prospective vacuum buyer, it would be to my advantage to check CRI's vacuum ratings before I buy. | ||
| Post# 287907 , Reply# 52 7/9/2014 at 11:10 (3,577 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, therein lies my point concerning the Windsor and the identical SEBO upright. The Windsor gets the Silver award and the identical SEBO model gets a bronze award. I wouldn't say the testing in this case is accurate but then honesty and accuracy are not the same.
Is it really to the vacuum cleaner brand's advantage that something like CRI necessarily has its seal of approval stamped on the machine? CRI only seems to exist for buyers who believe wholeheartedly in it. | ||
| Post# 288240 , Reply# 54 7/11/2014 at 15:34 (3,575 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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Exactly Tom So I don't care what links you put out there SPTYKS, a manufacturer will only get endorsed by CRI if it pays for it | ||
| Post# 288253 , Reply# 55 7/11/2014 at 16:26 (3,575 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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Are the Sebo and Windsor REALLY identical? Although the Sebo and Windsor may look the same, are they equipped with the exact same brush roll? I would assume that the Windsor is set up for cleaning commercial low pile carpeting whereas the Sebo is set up for residential carpeting. Any comments? | ||
| Post# 288355 , Reply# 56 7/12/2014 at 04:42 (3,575 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 288358 , Reply# 57 7/12/2014 at 04:48 (3,575 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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