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Post# 248449   8/30/2013 at 20:51 (3,884 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Should I buy the UniQ or a different Miele canister?

 

Does anyone own/use a Miele UniQ?

 

Will it beat my "super-charged" TriStar EXL?

 

I haven't had much experience with Miele, other than the White Pearl I borrowed from a vac shop a few years ago.

 



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Post# 248456 , Reply# 1   8/30/2013 at 21:27 (3,884 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)        

Can't say I've used it... That said, a supercharged EXL would be pretty hard to beat - but that Miele PN looks like a Wessel Werk, which are generally considered among the best. Would it beat the Tristar? Maybe...

Post# 248463 , Reply# 2   8/30/2013 at 23:43 (3,883 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Next one down

The dealers I spoke with felt it was overkill and recommended the next model down. I do love my S8 Miele, silent and smooth. Here is a nice video about the different models. Note the red one, this is the Homecare only sold through dealers and they cannot talk about or advertise them. I purchased the homecare with a 236 power head.



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Post# 248474 , Reply# 3   8/31/2013 at 07:25 (3,883 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut)        

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Check out my link below.
(thread I started here, because I'm unhappy with my Miele).

Miele UniQ isn't much different in features than the Capricorn I own.


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Post# 248477 , Reply# 4   8/31/2013 at 09:18 (3,883 days old) by dirtmaster37 (Ypsilanti, Michigan USA)        
Should I buy the UniQ or a different Miele canister?

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Hi Erik,

As a major distributor for Miele products for our area of southeastern Michigan, I can say with relative confidence, that most of what you've heard so far is correct. I would personally find a dealer that sells the HomeCare S8390. This model is available (currently) only thru the in-store, dealer network, and is similar to the Marin (sounds MARINE)that is avail online and in some dealer showrooms. The Marin is sold with the SEB217 as standard, with any other Power Brush optional. Most dealers tho, carry the HomeCare line, which offers more feature filled, and desirable models , for the consumer's choosing, plus as of now, it'sinternet protected.

We sell this model (S8390 HomeCare complete), with the SEB 236 Electro Premium head, which is the same one that is standard on the UniQ. It also has as extra's, the long flexible crevice tool to supplement the smaller nested one, a large adjustable dusting brush to supplement the smaller nested one AND, the AllteQ multi-floortool. Some dealers sell the SEB 217, and SEB 228 heads as options, but we do not. We retail the S8 Kona that has the 228 head as standard, and the HomeCare S6 that has the 217. No need for the multi-head approach, unless a customer ASKS for the different heads. Then we of course will supply one, with the appropriate price reductions!!

As to the reasons why "I" stress the S8 HomeCare to my customer base??? Well as you may have read, the UniQ ONLY has, over the rest: the electronic, fingertip-touch controls (the HomeCare has easy to use touch buttons on the canister portion that select power thru six different power ranges), lighted parking slots for the tools (absurd honestly as none of the rest have this), and the LONGER 10-5 warranty (read up on that)oh and a electronic filter minder for the HEPA. Many dealers including myself sell the UniQ only on the first, and last two features alone. Most prospects LAUGH at the lights on the thing. At least in our area..

Electronic controls however, do age and get finicky, and Miele isn't immune to that issue. Some have issues, where most never do. Whereas, the HomeCare has a 2 year P&L on the unit, and an additonal 5 on the motors. And has none of the sparkly "gimmickry" of the upper slot UniQ. So the lesser warranty isn't as much of an issue,as there is less to go wrong later on.

Above all, your pocketbook , and your conscious should be your guide. Do not let a few who did not have a great experience with the products ruin YOUR experience. Believe, it's more the norm to have a great experience with Miele, than to not. The UniQ is $1499 all told, is lighter and more durable than the Capricorn (which it replaced); and finally, the Home Care is $400- LESS than the UniQ, priced with the premium Power Brush nozzle,so you are not sacrificing ANY power or performance. you may even find a dealer who will give you a better deal too!!

And finally, I do "LIKE" the UniQ, contrary to what it may seem thru what i've written thus far. To that end, we sell as many as the customer base will buy. It has it's convenience features, and top-flite luxury that melts the hearts of some. There is just a really great alternative for less, with more. And in the end, that always wins out for us....

Hope this helps.

Chad


Post# 248489 , Reply# 5   8/31/2013 at 12:57 (3,883 days old) by vegassucks ()        
George CT

Do yourself a favor and disregard GeorgeCT link. To compare a Kenmore too a Miele is like comparing a Moped to a Harley, anyone who does looks foolish. Now a Sebo D4, Rainbow and a few others are fair and on equal grounds in term of features and build quality. The other canister I would consider is the Sebo D4. Look at ebay and you will see that second hand Miele S5 and S8 canisters sell for very near retail, this is because a 20 plus year reputation of building the best canister vacuums in the world.

Any one who chooses a Kenmore should check their local Goodwill. Used Kenmore's can be purchased for around $30, I just saw a current model there last weekend.

The Miele s8 with a Seb-236 power head is so silent that you can hear dirt actually being picked up and going the through the hose into the bag, amazing.

A smart purchase is not a Capricorn for almost $1,500, you will wind up bitter and upset when you realize you just paid $600 plus more dollars than the Kona which is lighter, quiter and built better. The park system only works with floor tools and the controls in the hose is a gimmick not worth $600.




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Post# 248498 , Reply# 6   8/31/2013 at 15:11 (3,883 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

My mother bought the S8 UniQ after she gave our housekeeper the old S5 we had. In my opinion it really isn't worth the extra money for the additional "features" which really don't help with overall performance.

I'd vote for the S8 Marin, which I bought after using my mom's S8 and can honestly say it's worth saving some money with that. I am debating on whether or not I wanna trade in the 228 power nozzle for the 236 but I am happy with it overall.

The extra little details such as the illuminated docking ports and velvet lined bumpers and tool compartment don't justify the extra $500.

Just my two cents.

Rich


Post# 248535 , Reply# 7   8/31/2013 at 21:06 (3,883 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        

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I own the top-of-the-line models of the S2, S5, S6, S7 and S8. I can honestly say the S8990 is the greatest vacuum to come from the factory at Bielefeld. However, the bragging rights and convenience features doesn't make it a better performing vacuum.

 

As Chad mentioned, if you can negate the convenience and "cool" features of the S8990 UniQ, the S8390 HomeCare is likely the best value in the current S8 series. 


Post# 248546 , Reply# 8   8/31/2013 at 23:31 (3,882 days old) by vegassucks ()        
My Favorite S8

The Is my favorite looking s8, the problem is I wanted the Seb-236 power head and the local dealer by me would not upgrade fro the 228. There are many very cool dealers that will upgrade you for $50, I wish I would have know this prior.

Post# 248548 , Reply# 9   9/1/2013 at 00:23 (3,882 days old) by gm1982 ()        

www.simplicityvac.com/images/prod...

BUY AMERICAN


Post# 248553 , Reply# 10   9/1/2013 at 02:14 (3,882 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Riccar American?

The Ricar canister is still made in China and the uprights are put together in the United States with parts made in third world Country's around the world. Buy Quality no matter where it is built.

Post# 248598 , Reply# 11   9/1/2013 at 10:13 (3,882 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Simplicity and Miele

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A simplicity canister would also be an excellent choice. I was curious and just performed a little test on the two I used a miele silver moon and a riccar 1700 (equivalent to the Simplicity Moxie)

Their airflow is the same when all bags and filters are clean pulling a 5.5 on the baird meter and i did a pre-test reading both read at 4.5 (i hadn't changed bags or filters)

The real performance difference in them lies in the powerheads I used the SEB 236 for the miele.

I did a total of 32 strokes with each machine overlapping to make sure the Kirby wouldn't be cleaning from an untouched area once i was done i put my Dirt Meter on my G6 marked the pads for each machine and ran air through the kirby before inserting the pads to ensure no dirt trapped in the head tampered with the results. 24 strokes were done with the kirby on each area.


Post# 248600 , Reply# 12   9/1/2013 at 10:19 (3,882 days old) by gm1982 ()        

Going points, either are good, seems they both picked up equally for the most part.

Post# 248603 , Reply# 13   9/1/2013 at 11:17 (3,882 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut)        
vegassucks

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Now that's not fair to totally disregard my issues with Miele.
They're real issues and I'm not the only one that has them.

I'm comparing feature to feature i.e. tool size, cord length, hose length...etc.

I personally never had an issue with my still working Kenmore Progressive but my Miele SEB-236 power head will no longer lock in the upright position (the locking/unlocking mechanism broke).
The extension wand is no longer unlocking to extend or retract (it's jammed).
And the material (felt?) that's on the upholstery attachment is now gone.

I'm waiting for Riccar/Simplicity to come out with there new line (made or assembled in America) of canisters later this year.
I'm hoping that will be money well spent as long as it has features I'm looking for (long hose/cord, larger attachments, great power head...etc.).

To me the Miele was a huge let down (sorry once again Miele fans), but it's the way I feel.
I paid good money for the Capricorn and dollar for dollar (to me) it's not worth it and I wish someone told be the short comings of this vacuum before I purchased it.


Post# 248613 , Reply# 14   9/1/2013 at 12:40 (3,882 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Riccar/Simlicity

Riccar/simplicity canisters are cheap plastic made in China. Funny thing about Riccar, I could not find one dealer who sells Riccar/simplicity to tell me that their two motor $850 -$1.500 vacuums are any good. In fact one dealer stated they are complete garbage made with cheap Korean parts.

If their dealers talk about them this way, why would anyone be so foolish to purchase one? Of course there is always the person who believes a beater bar has too beat the hell out of your carpet to clean it and they lack an engineers mind which would illustrate to them that anything more than what the European manufactured vacuums from Meile, Sebo and Lindhaus is actually destroying yur carpet.

At one shop me and the owner went head to head with a Miele s7 and the Riccar brillance and the owner admitted that the Miele S7 destroyed the Riccar Brillance and it was not even close. The Riccar bounced the sand around a lot but the Miele actually had the airflow to remove the dirt.

Go ahead and put down Miele and purchase your so called American Made Riccars/simplicities. The truly informed buyers will take a pass.

If someone wants to save a few dollar purchase a Panasonic, IMHO much nicer than Riccar and 50% the price. At least than you are not paying $900 for a Vauum made in China with a Riccar name on it fooling you that your purchasing highend.




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Post# 248756 , Reply# 15   9/2/2013 at 07:03 (3,881 days old) by gm1982 ()        

Interesting points... I have dealers in my area that mostly push and sell Miele. Then there is one dealer down from two that sells the Simplicity line, he told me that customers try out the Simplicities and Miele's, and an overwhelming majority buy the Miele. Its quieter, maneuvers easier, and user friendly (uprights) with the pull and go wand.

Now there are Oreck dealers that are beginning to sell Miele as well, part of their showroom and I've noticed one dealer drop the Miele line and push Simplicity and Sebo. This guy talks the Miele down saying the quality has fallen off with the new canisters. I think he just doesn't want to compete with Oreck/Miele stores and the other vac dealers, including, yes- Bloomingdales! They have a small line up in the housewares section. I do notice Miele expanding into other venues- don't know whether its a good or bad thing, but they are getting their product out there vs Simplicity/Riccar which is only to be purchased by an authorized dealer, can be difficult to find if you live in a rural area. Aerus another quality vac is also harder to find, mostly a door to door sales brand.

All in all, they all do the same, pick up dirt, some are easier to use than others, come with better warranties, are quieter, etc.

Its tough to say which is the best. I think Miele is the best for household use. Sebo/Windsor for commercial or office. I like Aerus, but its way overpriced and except for one recent canister model the whole line-up is dated. You'll feel good about owing one if your house looks like the 1970s-80s, have wood paneling and hair is going grey. Step into one of those franchises and boy its like stepping back in time!


Post# 248777 , Reply# 16   9/2/2013 at 11:34 (3,881 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Gm1982

Dropping Miele for Sebo makes sense that you would only carry one of the high end German made brands. There are still a lot of old school Americans who like to buy American and purchase Riccar/Simplicity with out a clue that they are only assembled here with mainly Korean parts and that their canisters are made in China.

Sebo Vs Miele is a matter of preference. My vote would be Sebo for the G1 upright and Miele for the S8 canister.


Post# 249174 , Reply# 17   9/5/2013 at 12:51 (3,878 days old) by sarasvacshack ()        
Homecare S8 also lacks..

... the Auto setting of both the Marin and the UniQ. The Auto setting will automatically reduce the power of the motor to maximize cleaning efficiency, say on a deep pile carpet or when doing upholstery. We love this feature on our S8 Alize. for $50-100 more, you can get the Marin (with the Auto setting) with an SEB236 from a dealer in store.

Post# 249191 , Reply# 18   9/5/2013 at 14:08 (3,878 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Auto feature

The auto feature is like the Sebo X4, kind of a gimmick that may actually hamper cleaning. Just my opinion so please do not take personal. The other Miele S8's have plenty of adjustments in settings and power heads to do the job. Thick pile should avoid the seb 236 power head, it is weak. Why cut your suction because your power head is weak? Better to go with a seb 228.


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