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| Post# 247111 8/22/2013 at 10:25 (3,898 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI) | ||
I'm really wondering... Do Miele vacuums have better cleaning performance, will they outclean brand X? Or are they just high filtration and good quality? I would love to, at some point in the future, purchase a Miele vacuum (probably a canister), but it would be pointless if they don't have spectacular cleaning to go along with the build quality, quietness and high filtration. I have two dogs and wall to wall carpet in all but two rooms, and need a powerful vacuum to remove the dog hair and sand that gets tracked in from outside. For some reason, I'm just not overly convinced that a Miele would deep clean as well as some other machines in my collection. Discuss....
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| Post# 247120 , Reply# 2 8/22/2013 at 11:39 (3,898 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
Speaking for North America... | ||
| Post# 247132 , Reply# 4 8/22/2013 at 13:02 (3,898 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
quiet, good suction, works till bag is full, light weight, well made. Short cord, short hose, power nozzle for the heavier thicker carpet is pricy I understand.My seb 217-3 works well for medium to short carpet, and excellent for floors. The side cleaning of it is amazing, cat hair comes running from a distance to the side of it.
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| Post# 247133 , Reply# 5 8/22/2013 at 13:08 (3,898 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 247141 , Reply# 6 8/22/2013 at 13:28 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
In the UK we are lucky to have an extensive Miele, SEBO and Bosch range of vacuums, but very few have PN's other than SEBO. I'm not keen on them, really but then I think if the UK had been offered PN's with cylinder vacs in general, I probably wouldn't be of that opinion. We've always been taught that cylinder/canister vacuums are for above the floor cleaning and lightweight.
I own a SEBO K3 Premium but I have never been keen on it - the power head does a fantastic job of picking up hair, dirt, stones and such like, so it would cope well with whatever you throw at it - I just don't like cylinder/canister vacs with PN's - in my mind, they should be far lighter vacuums compared to conventional, heavier uprights and my K3 is used with a conventional floor tool and only gets used for pet hair if the air driven turbo brush is added. The one compromise I get is from the Felix by SEBO. Has the same kind of power head but manual height adjustment, brush roll on/off button and a long cord. As with each SEBO floor head, there's a trapdoor to remove clogs, the brush rolls are superb for picking up and the side door allows access to remove the entire brush roll for cleaning off pet hair etc. Miele on the other hand do offer PN's in the U.S, but you're left with 6.5 metres of cord compared to the longer cord on the Felix or even more with SEBO's new D4. I only wish that SEBO in the U.S would stock more models of its suction only D series - they're a heck of a lot easier to cope with than the cord-embedded hose - of the D4. That's the trade of if you want a longer cord and a more durable power nozzle that can cope with your dirt requirements. | ||
| Post# 247200 , Reply# 8 8/22/2013 at 17:08 (3,898 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI) | ||
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Ok, that being said, are the different models actually more or less powerful, or is the main difference features? I saw on their website models starting at $299, and up to over $1000. Is the huge price difference just different levels of features? What about uprights? I doubt I will be buying one in the near future, but I would like to compare prices and features anyway.
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| Post# 247201 , Reply# 9 8/22/2013 at 17:11 (3,898 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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I think its just features and sometimes motor wattage. I'm not entirely convinced that my mums mid 90s 1600w miele is any less powerful than my 2200w s5. The turbo brush certainly spins up to the same speed! | ||
| Post# 247204 , Reply# 10 8/22/2013 at 17:27 (3,898 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Miele
I've only got a silver moon but it's a nicely built canister that performs well. I love how quiet it is and the variable speeds. My only real gripe with it is the cost of parts a dusting brush cost me 19.95 the hepa filter was around $50
On my baird meter it pulls a 5.5 when the bag is clean tying it with my Patriot and Riccar 1700 but being outdone by my airway (with airtec bags) by .5 The wessell Werk nozzles are a very good cleaning nozzle (taking 2nd place only to my lindhaus in previous testing) but are prone to light and circuit board issues. As a canister it's a great vacuum but since you are seeking a great deep cleaner i'd probably stick to a direct air machine. 
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| Post# 247220 , Reply# 11 8/22/2013 at 19:38 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The models in Europe run on a different voltage to U.S vacuums - but the power is still very similar. I know some of you in the U.S and Canada go wide eyed at the mere mention of Miele's S5 models having 2000 watts when your equivalent is 1200 watts - but thats because we have a different voltage and different current. They're practically the same vacuum that's just been changed for each country. The only difference is that the spec changes and the U.S get more options and specific models with PN's added.
For example, in the U.S the SEBO D4 is rated at 1250 watts for the suction motor alone. Ours is 2100 watts, similar to Miele's U.S equivalent of 1200 watts. | ||
| Post# 247230 , Reply# 12 8/22/2013 at 20:15 (3,898 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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I am impressed. I just purchased my 1st canister in 20 years. Miele Topaz with Seb 228 power head. I am very impressed, much more than I was with the s7. | ||
Post# 247244 , Reply# 14 8/22/2013 at 21:09 (3,898 days old) by Vinvac  (Dubuque IA) |
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Consumer reports is not a good guide to anything!
I have a Miele and can't say it is my favorite vacuum, but I it is well built and quiet. I don't like the tools or hose. Filtration is awesome, the powerhead is one of the best. Consumer reports has poorly rated many of the great vacuums of our time. Perhaps because the good companies won't pay for their rating. Morgan | ||
| Post# 247245 , Reply# 15 8/22/2013 at 21:11 (3,898 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI) | ||
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Maybe a Miele isn't for me? I do have a smallish vacuum collection, but was considering maybe at some point in the future adding a Miele. If I'm not going to be floored by the performance, I don't know if I can even justify saving the money to spend on it. Maybe I will find a decent used Miele for cheap, but I am feeling a bit mixed about shelling out the $ for a new one. I may look into anothe high end brand, but I don't really care for new Kirbys and I don't feel any interest in a Filter Queen or Aerus Electrolux. I'm just testing the waters at this point, I have exactly $0.00 saved for a new vacuum, and would need to sell at least a few first.
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| Post# 247249 , Reply# 17 8/22/2013 at 21:52 (3,898 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Used Miele a smart purchase....
Vegassucks.....I completely disagree with you on that! I bought my 2002 Miele S538 Monte Verde with SEB217 & 2004 Miele S558 Red Velvet with SEB236 secondhand. The Monte Verde I found in a pawn shop for $69 dollars, & my Red Velvet for $150 from a secondhand shop. While my Monte Verde has been trouble-free, the Red Velvet has been nothing short of a NIGHTMARE! The owner of the shop had the nerve to use the vacuum before I could pick it up in a couple of days & had to pay to replace the direct-connect powerhead neck; after only 4 uses it broke again!! So, having had enough, I jury-rigged the darn thing so it couldn't break again. And just recently, the cordwinder broke down & needed replacing; considering the cordwinder was a design flaw on this particular series of Miele vacuum, I chose to bypass the cordwinder & hook the cord directly to the wiring of the vacuum, avoiding at least $150 to $200 for a new cordwinder that would just break again. In addition, older model Mieles are known to have their internal circuit boards break down & require replacement long before the 20 year lifespan of the motor dies out, so yet another costly repair bill!
The ONLY WAY I would recommend anyone buy a Miele is if they buy new & they buy when Miele announces their month-long 10 year warranty promotion. That way, it's likely anything that breaks will be caught during the warranty period & save it's owner some big repair bills. Otherwise, if looking at German-made vacuums, I suggest a Sebo D4 or used Sebo Airbelt C3.1. Much better made vacuums, have just as much waterlift & airflow ratings as the Miele, & with the ET-C powerhead, they clean just as well-if not better- than a Miele. It also doesn't hurt that the cost of bags & filters are more reasonable for the Sebo vs Miele's outrageous prices. Otherwise, a second-hand Aerus Electrolux or TriStar CXL are much better buys, clean just as well, & will last much longer, in my opinion. Rob | ||
| Post# 247251 , Reply# 18 8/22/2013 at 22:04 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I would agree with that, but not only just second hand Miele but also second hand anything premium - chances are that they have been abused badly - and no matter how many times the seller cleans up the hood or even in some cases adds a new hood to cover up the abuse inside, it isn't worth the cost of buying a second hand unit just because it is cheaper.
End of the day if you wouldn't dream of buying second hand tools, so why should it be the same for a vacuum cleaner? | ||
| Post# 247253 , Reply# 20 8/22/2013 at 22:09 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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What a load of rubbish. As usual vegassucks, no evidence, just your thoughts. No chance for anyone else to have an opinion. D series was rated high for filtration when it was tested by quite a lot of organisations that you probably don't trust.
Have a look at the You Tube video of the D4, you'll see a particulate air test meter done on the D4 and it drops to zero. 2mins 54 towards the end of the video. Real evidence. And YOUR link doesn't appear to work. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 247266 , Reply# 24 8/22/2013 at 22:47 (3,898 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Call me a "fool" if you want, but I trust the lab results of Consumer Reports more than the information provided by a salesperson at a vacuum dealer or a retail outlet. I know I can trust the test results to help me decide on a product without wasting too much of my money or valuable time.
Like in most things in life, you need to use your wisdom to interpret test results. I may choose a Miele Olympus S2120 as a companion vac to an upright because I don't care how poorly it performs on carpet. This particular vac ends up mid-table in the ranking of canisters because of mediocre results in the carpet cleaning tests. But if you use the convenient "Filtering" feature on the CR website, you can choose the test results that are important to you and come up with the most appropriate vac for your needs. That, along with brand reliability data, should help you make an informed decision without having to suffer through the misinformation often provided by those most interested in selling you their most expensive machine. Since I prefer to have an upright for carpets and a canister to clean everything else, my reading of the current test results in Consumer Reports results in the following effective pair of vacs: the Hoover Platinum Bagged Upright (without the companion mini canister to save money) plus the Miele Olympus canister for everything else. Grand Total cost = not more than $600 for a great performing, easy to use pair of vacs. Over the 30 years in which I have used Consumer Reports to buy everything from toothpaste to cars, they have rarely steered me wrong. Just my humble opinion..... | ||
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Post# 247285 , Reply# 27 8/23/2013 at 05:02 (3,897 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Filtration of Sebo vacuums-The dealer in Greenville besides Miele also carrys Sebo- A Sebo vacuum-including the X4 blows zero on the particle counter like Miele.Same with the Sebo canisters-any model.They have as good of filtration as the Miele. | ||
| Post# 247309 , Reply# 29 8/23/2013 at 08:28 (3,897 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, what is it vegassucks? You don't like Consumer Reports yet you believe in charts? Mmm something smells there...Well said Eureakaprince - whilst I don't trust in everything I read from CR, I've certainly found similar findings from my own ownership to their reports. They don't always get things right but then neither does Which, the UK testing organisation - but some things are worth learning about from reading those reports.
I THINK that when it comes to real performance from REAL OWNERSHIP that only you can impart the honest truth about filtration in your experience for others. Product reviews and worded content don't really hold much of a candle to many let alone charts and lists of statistical data, even if I write some award winning reviews online to support the purchases I've made - and from the thoroughness of my reviews I sometimes get a free large appliance like a washing machine! You moan that the SEBO is heavier than the S8. Well that's because it comes with a much bigger amount of cord - 12 metres on the SEBO, 6.5 metres on the Miele S8 - that's double the amount and for the cost price that both sell at, I'd sacrifice the LED lights on the S8 for a decent amount of cord. The hose on the D4 is also slightly longer than the one on the Miele, so again you're getting bigger everything really on that vacuum. | ||
| Post# 247327 , Reply# 32 8/23/2013 at 11:13 (3,897 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
You cannot, cannot, cannot trust a word from Communist Reports.
I have a copy of every vacuum issue they've ever done. Did you know that in December, 1936, they rated the wonderful, flawless Hoover 150 (Hoover's finest machine ever) at the BOTTOM of the ratings. Then, those morons at CR had the nerve (and stupidity) to rate the twin-motor Air-Way Super Chief "Not acceptable" because (according to CR) the motors would be short lived. I don't know of any Air-Way's from the 1930's that don't run. In every decade room of the Museum, I have a copy of the Communist Reports articles for the vacuums of those years. I can proudly turn to their 'reports' and prove every single one of them WRONG. There was only ONE time that history agrees with CR. That was the 1970 report that rated the Electrolux 1205 the top vacuum. If you look at the ranking of the report for all the vacuums, then look at all the actual vacuums (we have them in the Museum) it's clear that once and once only, they did "get it right". I'm sorry to be so stern about them, but I can't stand those lying bastards. The only good thing about their 'ratings' is they give prices. I often reread the 'reports' from the 1940's and 1950's so I can give accurate pricing information as I give tours through the Museum. Anyone who bases a purchasing decision on CR, deserves the screwing they're going to get by doing so. History constantly proves them WRONG. | ||
| Post# 247329 , Reply# 33 8/23/2013 at 11:19 (3,897 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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It is difficult to relay comparisons between a car and a vacuum cleaner. Particularly for something seen as an investment and recouping a good price second hand. Kia in the UK are doing exceptionally well - Honda is too premium, too expensive - even their Civic, CRV and Jazz are made in the UK - they don't sell as well nationally as Kia.
Miele and SEBO retain their value well on UK auction sites compared to other brands. The only models that Panasonic retain their value from are the "vintage" models. They don't generally hold their value well with their current ranges and EBAY UK are usually good places to get a cheaper deal on the list prices of Panasonic vacuums in the shops. Yet again though, I say as a private consumer and not as a retailer or anyone who works in the industry, it is impossible to go through every report that a testing organisation has done and either agree or disagree UNLESS you are a vacuum cleaner collector! We are two very different bodies of people. I don't necessarily go for everything that every testing company promotes - but as others have said, CR and other companies CAN benefit purchase decisions. Whereas we, as collectors may disagree about a particular function that hasn't been highlighted or thoroughly tested won't matter to Joe Public. As long as the machine picks up is just the requirement of what a vacuum cleaner SHOULD do. | ||
| Post# 247419 , Reply# 37 8/23/2013 at 23:26 (3,897 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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Joshdonnell I 100% agree with joshdonnell | ||
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