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Thread Number: 21996
Which Vacuum Would Be Best for my School? |
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| Post# 246549 , Reply# 1 8/19/2013 at 16:27 (3,896 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Why are they not buying a new cleaner? | ||
| Post# 246550 , Reply# 2 8/19/2013 at 16:28 (3,896 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Not enough funds within the school to be spent on new Vacuum Cleaners. | ||
| Post# 246577 , Reply# 3 8/19/2013 at 18:26 (3,896 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Sebo
The owner of the shop i go to has told me that he has a customer who refers to himself as the meat grinder of vacuums who used to go through one simplicity......synchrony i think he said per year due to the treatment by his staff he has switched to Sebo X4 machines which are holding up far better (7 years)
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| Post# 246589 , Reply# 4 8/19/2013 at 19:39 (3,896 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Hoover pure power should be good and I used dyson dc08 &25 in commercial environments that have coped well | ||
| Post# 246590 , Reply# 5 8/19/2013 at 19:40 (3,896 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Hoover pure power should be good and I used dyson dc08 &25 in commercial environments that have coped well | ||
| Post# 246594 , Reply# 6 8/19/2013 at 20:04 (3,896 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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My observations over time, its seems most hotels, schools and hospitals are using: Oreck, Sebo/Windsor or Sanitaire vacuums. They seem to be the most durable for commercial use. Gyms and fitness centers, Pro Team seems to be common. | ||
| Post# 246650 , Reply# 7 8/20/2013 at 02:05 (3,896 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Defiantly do not use the DC01- why on earth would anyone think this would be suitable for commercial use? Use the SEBO but if the school has lack of funds then use the PurePower as bags are cheaper! | ||
| Post# 246657 , Reply# 8 8/20/2013 at 03:43 (3,896 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Hoover pure power should be good 
Hoover Purepower? Are you taking the p!ss? The Hoover Purepower is so poorly built, it can barely withstand domestic use, nevermind commercial!
I'd say the Sebo SB36 for an upright or a commercial Numatic for a cylinder. Both have larger capacity dust bags than the domestic versions. The BS36 also has a lot of easilly replaceable parts, like brush strips and other such parts that get a lot of wear. | ||
| Post# 246664 , Reply# 9 8/20/2013 at 07:22 (3,896 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO) | ||
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Of those four, the Sebo, but at or near the top of my list would be a metal Royal (or perhaps a Kirby). | ||
| Post# 246708 , Reply# 10 8/20/2013 at 13:03 (3,895 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Are you taking the p!ss? Yes as a matter of fact, how did you know? Commercial, low cost, easy to maintain and service, Durable, Quiet--Sanitaire. This post was last edited 08/20/2013 at 15:20 | ||
| Post# 246711 , Reply# 11 8/20/2013 at 13:23 (3,895 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 246721 , Reply# 12 8/20/2013 at 14:53 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
The X4 is the best FROM YOUR LIST- what a lot of nonsense to think the computer controller would break for being bashed off a wall - the equivalent in the U.S under Windsor is exactly the same model with lower power, and both the X and Windsor models are built to be used in both industries. As for the cord, thanks to Espares and online videos the cords are easy to replace, as are cords on a Henry vac which is ideally what the school should invest in long term OR as Chris says quite rightly, the SEBO BS36.
The Electrolux and the Purepower wouldn't last a minute. The Dyson DC01 would make an ideal second vacuum to have for the staff to use but like the latter, it wouldn't last. Sadly it is nigh difficult to buy Sanitaire in the U.K, let alone spares such as belts and bags. A lot of schools in the 1970s had Kirby uprights but getting spares for them are expensive now, hence the SEBO or Numatic, that is still favoured - parts, spares and consumables are far cheaper at cost. | ||
| Post# 246723 , Reply# 13 8/20/2013 at 14:56 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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They want me to take a couple to demo, but they liked the X4 as the bags wouldn't fill as quickly. They would have Henrys with Airo Brushes which I suggested, but they want an upright as the cleaner ates cylinders. | ||
| Post# 246724 , Reply# 14 8/20/2013 at 15:02 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well the X4 will suit them because:
1) None of the others have a long power cord. 2) The cords can't be replaced on the others, but it can on the SEBO or second hand handles with the cords attached. 3) The SEBO falls flat and cleans under low furniture. The bagless ones have bulky bins that get in the way. 4) The SEBO has a removable brush roller via its button and clogs are easy to remove. 5) More importantly, it is a lot quieter than a Purepower will ever be and the sensor head will allow the cleaner to get around far more efficiently. 6) The SEBO can pick up hard dirt compared to the rest of the domestic models. As a foot note bonus I sold an X1.1 a few years ago to a nearby school for a special needs school. I don't like the word "special needs," but it goes under that name and the cleaners loved the fact that the SEBO upright could be used so quickly and efficiently. The only costs they have are the dust bags and the foam cassette filter, but even the filter for the motor doesn't get replaced that often and the built in microfilter just gets gently wiped down. | ||
| Post# 246725 , Reply# 15 8/20/2013 at 15:05 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Also air driven turbo brushes are never good for commercial areas - the amount of stones brought in from outside would just break the plastic fan impellers compared to a proper industry designed brush roll.
I learnt that the hard way after taking my Hoover Turbobrush from a Telios Pets model for use with a school Henry. Lasted two weeks until the fan impeller broke. Replaced it with the Wessel Werk Dyson turbo brush and that lasted a couple of months before the same problem happened. Plus, the stones don't get picked up the first time. They roll around and around because some are too big when they get stuck in the fan impellers. Miele's turbo brush is bad for that too. | ||
| Post# 246726 , Reply# 16 8/20/2013 at 15:21 (3,895 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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what do you mean? The question was "Are you taking a P!ss" in which I answered "Yes." Was the question not inquiring if I were urinating or not? Oppsie, my bad. | ||
| Post# 246727 , Reply# 17 8/20/2013 at 15:26 (3,895 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 246728 , Reply# 18 8/20/2013 at 15:34 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Are you thick? | ||
| Post# 246729 , Reply# 19 8/20/2013 at 15:35 (3,895 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 246732 , Reply# 20 8/20/2013 at 15:38 (3,895 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 246733 , Reply# 21 8/20/2013 at 15:42 (3,895 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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Numatic? In a commercial environment, get a Numatic. A Henry, or a James. I know i love Dyson and all that but Dyson cleaners are not designed for commercial environments. Where as Numatics are. | ||
| Post# 246808 , Reply# 23 8/20/2013 at 22:55 (3,895 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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taking the piss = English slag for joking, being sarcastic e Oh-well that's quite different then, now isn't it? 
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| Post# 246826 , Reply# 24 8/21/2013 at 02:31 (3,895 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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"For heavens sake, the post was in reference to boosting commercial vacuums, JM, not domestic." Oh for the love of God, I was asking him how he could possibly be taking the p!ss when HE DID NOT MENTION THE PUREPOWER. Chris was responding to "parwaz786" when he said "Hoover pure power should be good", so in what way was KIRBYSTHEBEST (not parwaz786) taking the p!ss (as he admitted to be doing so)?? Surely it would be parwaz786's place to say "I was taking the...".
Understand me now? | ||
| Post# 246835 , Reply# 25 8/21/2013 at 03:28 (3,895 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Why are people suggesting machines to use that aren't even on hi-loswitches list!! He says he's got 4 choices, so why are people suggesting other things that aren't even vavuums that hi-lo is offering! | ||
| Post# 246869 , Reply# 26 8/21/2013 at 06:46 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Thank you dysondestijl & there's no need for a hissy fit JM, people are just expressing what they feel, if Parwaz thinks the Purepower would be OK then fine, thats his opinion. | ||
| Post# 246882 , Reply# 27 8/21/2013 at 07:35 (3,895 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Hi-loswitch, whilst I am normally inclined to agree with you that everyone is entitled to an opinion and to voice it, I also stand with Jamie here. Purepower for use in a school is DREADFUL advice.
I'm also not entirely convinced Tayyab has ever used a Purepower or even taken note of the countless discussions that have taken place on here regarding their reliability and performance issues, making his comment completely invalid. | ||
| Post# 246887 , Reply# 28 8/21/2013 at 07:58 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I wasn't going to sell it to them, I know ho bad they are, I try not to use it much as I don't want it to break. | ||
| Post# 246892 , Reply# 29 8/21/2013 at 08:25 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The only time I have ever seen a domestic Hoover in a commercial setting are the old Hoover Seniors - and some schools still have them, but in a hell of a state, usually with broken lamp covers or PVC tape over bits of the soft bag that have been slashed over a period of time/been damaged. The hoods get scraped really badly too - but they are more reliable than anything else.
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| Post# 246908 , Reply# 30 8/21/2013 at 10:01 (3,894 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
A DC01 and Hoover Purepower for commercial use... | ||
| Post# 246909 , Reply# 31 8/21/2013 at 10:04 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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As soon as they said they wanted a new vacuum off me I said the Sebo X4, otherwise you'll be asking me for another vacuum. | ||
| Post# 246945 , Reply# 33 8/21/2013 at 13:54 (3,894 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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the PP is way better
There exactly the same cleaner, apart from 1 has a dustbox instead of a bag. They're built using the same parts and the same design.
Not bad cleaners? Ok... - handle release failure - belt eaters - loud - notorious for over heating - weak switches - weak height adjusters - Poorly constructed - cheaply made with very cheap, brittle plastic Shall I go on, or is that enough design and manufacturing flaws for 1 cleaner? | ||
| Post# 246946 , Reply# 34 8/21/2013 at 14:00 (3,894 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Well, actually, I have one from quite early on in the production run, 2001, the older ones are still no Turbopower 2/3 but they are lightyears better built than the new ones, the olders ones are far more sturdy than the modern cleaners and don't suffer with AS many of those failures Chris listed above. The Early ones did also suffer with weak handle release pedals, but they were certainly not loud nor did they overheat, at least models under 1400 watts! Mine is 1300 and gets warm but not BOILING! When my 2010 model has been on for anymore than 10 minutes, you can't even touch the extension wand sitting by the exaust as it is that hot, unlike my old one. | ||
| Post# 246947 , Reply# 35 8/21/2013 at 14:02 (3,894 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 246948 , Reply# 36 8/21/2013 at 14:07 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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They don't want a Henry, they want an upright & the fact that there's practically no money in any of the schools where I live. | ||
| Post# 246949 , Reply# 37 8/21/2013 at 14:09 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Alexhoovers94, mines a 1500w U3350 & Dates September 2001. It's an OK machine, good agitation & dosen't overheat, just gets warm. I have to take two anyway. | ||
| Post# 246950 , Reply# 38 8/21/2013 at 14:10 (3,894 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 246953 , Reply# 39 8/21/2013 at 14:39 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes but thats' already been suggested. Had you looked at Hi-Lo's list of vacuums offered, the closest SEBO is the X4 on offer as that is what he has.
We can keep going back and forwards moaning about the PP and the hoover DM - end of the day they're out of league as commercial vacuums. You can have one in your collection for 10 years where it might well suit you, but as has been said before consumers and collectors are two very different sorts. If I was cleaning again with the company I used to work for and they came to me saying that their usual Henry vacs were away being serviced and instead of the SEBO and Nilco uprights not being available instead, AND where I was offered either a Dyson DC01 or a Hoover Purepower or Dustmanager - sorry but I'd take the Dyson DC01. Why? Well, reason being that for most contract cleaners who are given a short amount of time to clean 20 rooms on two floors, time is of the essence - the DC01 may not deep clean but if it picks up the top viewable dust, the company are happy - what I don't require is something as heavy to push as the Hoover models, and even with the height adjustment sorted, the handles are hellish and I find them really uncomfortable. I'm pleased that Hoover improved the handle on the more modern Slalom - and on the basis that the PP & DM are really heavy to push PLUS has that uncomfortable handle AND all of its problems with plastics, noise and heat - the DC01 runs rings around those machines in my opinion. | ||
| Post# 246957 , Reply# 40 8/21/2013 at 15:13 (3,894 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
Ryan is absolutely right with his last post.
However id personally rather not have the dc01 and prefer the purepower. Purepower has the following advantages over the dyson over user ease of use. Flat profile for getting under desks, chairs, under and around furniture. Easy to use hose for poking into corners and around edges as and when needed. (dont see the dyson hose being easy to use and quickly for a contract cleaner) The ability to tilt the cleaner bac to go over thresholds room to room, same ability to angle suction over larger items of debris instead of pushing them around. the tools wont fall off when passing against furniture like the chronically do on a dyson. | ||
| Post# 246958 , Reply# 41 8/21/2013 at 15:19 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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In a lot of schools I used to clean in, uprights like SEBO's BS series and the older 370s just didn't have much time for the hose to be used. Thus a lot of the smaller cleaning tools were removed incase they would pop off in use or just get lost over time. The uprights were better for carpet cleaning, hence the Hoover Senior usage and from also using Nilco soft bag uprights. If you had a SEBO you would benefit from the automatic wand and hose alone.
This is where "we" cleaners had to use dusters and brooms to get up high and that was only a once in a blue moon scenario rather than the daily clean. I loved the job - not only did I get to use vacuums but get paid for it - but I rather liked the state I left the rooms in as well as a good work out having to suck the dust off window sills if there's a sink in the room - here is where Numatic's own hose and handle is supreme for quick and easy access. Cleaners also hate bending down with vacuums, or so I've seen in the past. I know myself that the Dyson doesn't clean flat to the floor, but it can get under the kiddies seats easily, being more efficient just for quick sprint around and if the tools are taken off, well, there's really no need for them to be there in the first place. Purepower is great if you have all the time in the world. As a result, presently a lot of Numatic Henry vacuums have badly dented or bruised plastic cuffs because they have been used as a crevice tool design all of their own. The bent handle also gets a lot of abuse as cleaners don't carry tools with them and given that the tools can't be stored on board anyway, there simply isn't the time to faff about with tools when you have to get all the carpets cleaned in the quickest time. This is why quite often when buying 2nd hand Henry vacuums that have been used in schools that if, given the option you get the red storage fabric Henry bag and associated tools, you'd find that the bag itself and the tools are in mint condition - they're just not used in schools. | ||
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