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Thread Number: 21965
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| Post# 246196 , Reply# 1 8/17/2013 at 13:17 (3,904 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
 I would usually empty out my bagless vacuums out in the trash can outside, but I can see how that would be impractical for people living in an apartment or a place where emptying the vacuum out outside. If I do have to empty out my bagless inside, I'll usually wait until I have a nearly full kitchen bag and just dump the dirt in there. I've also had bags (both cloth and paper) cough out some dust when I pull them off the fill tube. Pretty much every vacuum will release some dust when you empty the dust bin or change the bag. | ||
| Post# 246198 , Reply# 2 8/17/2013 at 13:21 (3,904 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
And that's exactly why people who want a bagless should use a Rainbow. I'm not worried about lead or asbestos, I'm wanting pick up dog hair, dirt, cat hair, leaves, and household dust. I want to trap it in the water so I cannot breath it, and when I empty it down the commode I never see it again. Plus, I put a CLEAN vacuum back into the closet. Unless you wash the entire cyclone and bin assembly (plus the filters) after each use of any dry bagless cleaner, you're putting it away with dirt still in it. Bags stink like dog hair after a week, and they cost up to five dollars each (for Kenmore bags, more for Miele or Kirby Hepa bags). Would you throw a five dollar bill into the trash can? Two quarts of water is virtually free.
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| Post# 246199 , Reply# 3 8/17/2013 at 13:22 (3,904 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
Well, the cost of a lung transplant will set you back about a cool $450,000 all depending upon your insurance of course. If you got crapy insurance like most they'll just wheel you back to the dead room and give you a lethal dose of morphine - if your lucky. Most likely they'll look at you with none caring, cold eyes and send you home to die; as the hospital workers around you laugh and joke about last night's fun filled follies as they frolic about the corridors on a cloud. So, yeah, I think bags will help keep the dust mites and a myriad of other little goodies out of the delicate pink fluff of your lungs, and besides who's got all day to be washing a hundred filters, when you know there just going to get clogged all over again. There's only 24 hours in a day don't you know!
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| Post# 246200 , Reply# 4 8/17/2013 at 13:25 (3,904 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Actually there is a way around this rather than just having a bagged vacuum - an air conditioning system that also has a built in charcoal and HEPA type filter that absorbs odour and dust in the air. Mind you it would have to continuously left on to be of any use. I know such a system exists when you see programs like "Extreme Makeover" for families who have problem with dust in the air.
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| Post# 246206 , Reply# 6 8/17/2013 at 13:37 (3,904 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
But air cleaning systems don't prevent you from breathing in the dust as you dump the container into the trash. They do have their place, but why not try to keep the pollution down at the source?
I agree that bags are better, and would much rather use bagged vacuums than bagless. Whenever I use one of my bagless vacuums I only dump it into the trashcan if there is a new bag in it, because that way I can stick most of the container inside the trash and hit the button. I plan to go over to my great grandma's house later today to help her clean, and she got a Shark Navigator a few months ago that I have yet to use (I have used the original Shark Navigator model once, though) and I am interested in seeing how well it works. | ||
| Post# 246207 , Reply# 7 8/17/2013 at 13:47 (3,904 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 246228 , Reply# 11 8/17/2013 at 14:39 (3,904 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 246229 , Reply# 12 8/17/2013 at 14:40 (3,904 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Not this old chestnut again
Yes but they are JUST vacuums, as they are JUST toasters and JUST ovens and so forth. Carbon emissions in the home are generated more just by central heating alone.
Toasters aren't any better in terms of premium to cheap prices - you get Porsche designed ones and so forth as well as cheap Chinese made ones that can last a long duration. We have individual rights to buy what we want to buy individually. Should people wish to ignore the benefits of dust in a bag, let them. We should be thankful that of the brands that offer bagged machines, that they are still in existence rather than being phased out, bought out or simply killed off. | ||
| Post# 246230 , Reply# 13 8/17/2013 at 14:51 (3,904 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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People will believe anything Use your brain, you know what is good for you. 
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| Post# 246236 , Reply# 14 8/17/2013 at 15:05 (3,903 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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The choice is yours I wonder if they will wash their dishes in the same sink? 
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| Post# 246238 , Reply# 15 8/17/2013 at 15:20 (3,903 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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Exactly, it's like the old Kent cigarettes with the asbestos, micronite filters; it contained all the necessary nutrients that growing body needed. I like to call them the Clark Kent cigarettes with the Kryptonite filters, because they will fly you faster than a speeding bullet to the hospital for that double lung transplant! Great cigarette add
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| Post# 246240 , Reply# 16 8/17/2013 at 15:25 (3,903 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
Calling Dr. Daniel B. Replogle.
In 1916 he was concerned about that very thing, and decided to do something about it. Dr. Replogle, who lived in Toledo, Ohio had designed a new kind of vacuum cleaner that used a thick fiber filter to trap the dust, and put inside the outer dust bag. Problem was that he had nobody to manufactur this machine, so the idea went no place.
A few years later, Dr. Replogle was walking in the rain and a car stopped offering him a lift. The driver was Pratt Tracy, co-founder with his brother Clarance of the Air-Way Electric Appliance company. Dr. Replogle told Pratt his ideas, and the result was the first Air-Way, Sanitation system which came out in 1920. It was a great idea then, it's a better idea now. While I don't like the baggless vacuum cleaners that have been out for the past 20 years, (I don't like any vacuum cleaner newer that 1970!) But for health reasons, I agree a Rainbow makes a lot of sense. And that concept has been around almost as long as the upright Air-Way! Alex Taber. 
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| Post# 246241 , Reply# 17 8/17/2013 at 15:29 (3,903 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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The first Air-Way. | ||
| Post# 246242 , Reply# 18 8/17/2013 at 15:32 (3,903 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 246272 , Reply# 19 8/17/2013 at 17:47 (3,903 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I agree SO much with Mieles7 reply #1 because when I changed the Numatic Henry Hepaflo bag,the dust came out onto the bag holder and made the bucket dusty soon. IF you look at the best sealed vacuum, tgere will soon be a.dusty bag housing and bag door or whatever | ||
| Post# 246273 , Reply# 20 8/17/2013 at 17:52 (3,903 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I agree SO much with Mieles7 reply #1 because when I changed the Numatic Henry Hepaflo bag,the dust came out onto the bag holder and made the bucket dusty soon. IF you look at the best sealed vacuum, tgere will soon be a.dusty bag housing and bag door or whatever | ||
| Post# 246276 , Reply# 22 8/17/2013 at 18:25 (3,903 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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It doesn't smell like 'dirty' dog, it just smells like dirt AND dog hair. Bags stink. There's no way around it. Bags are great profit makers for companies. While a Miele S7 is the vacuum most often used to clean my home (but I'm not the one who uses it) - That filthy bag stinks after a month.
I am getting best laugh out of some people's thoughts that bagged vacuums are somehow cleaner. Ha Ha ha. The general public doesn't treat their bagged vacuums any better than their bagless ones. Some of the filthiest vacuums I've ever had to work on were bagged. Vacuum collectors are a different breed. They treat their vacuums much differently than the public. Once again, if you want the CLEANEST vacuum cleaner to trap your dirt and allergens, use a Rainbow. It starts out clean, and can be put away as clean as your Dishes! What other vacuum can you say that about? Do you really want to work that hard cleaning your house, just to put the filthy, nasty bag - with all the dirt in it, in your closet? I'm getting the BIGGEST laugh out of the paranoia about dust. Hoover used a satin pillow case for over ten years as a 'bag'. They just belched the fine dust back into the air. No one died. Hoover wouldn't legally use a disposable bag until 1940 - with the launch of the model 60. All those millions of people who had dust belching cloth bags that had to be emptied and shaken outside, never died or got sick from the dust escaping their Hoover. And James Dyson knows all about the Rainbow. I sent him a model D2 (chrome dome) more than 20 years ago. | ||
| Post# 246277 , Reply# 23 8/17/2013 at 18:40 (3,903 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
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The only vacuums I've owned and used since they were new (or after I cleaned them very well, not including vacuums my mom uses and picks up who knows what with) that started to stink are Orecks. Oreck's Fresh Air Tabs (or another brand scent tablet, I just happen to like the original scent Oreck tablets) are necessary with their uprights!
If a bag that you change every 1-6 weeks starts to smell, what about bagless vacuum permanent filters? They're sure to get some sort of a smell. | ||
| Post# 246284 , Reply# 25 8/17/2013 at 19:24 (3,903 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 246288 , Reply# 26 8/17/2013 at 19:52 (3,903 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
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My Dyson has yet to smell BAD (it does have a smell, though. Plus it's been repaired twice in 4 years) but my Hoover T-Series has started smelling bad (my mom is the only one who regularly uses that one, and she used to use carpet powder which I'm guessing has mixed with all the dirt in the vacuum to make an even worse smell than dirt alone).
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| Post# 246305 , Reply# 27 8/17/2013 at 21:03 (3,903 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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No matter what You think about a bagless, you have to admit AirWay and Electrolux got it right with their bags! Clean, easy to change and you didnt spill dirt everywhere! | ||
Post# 246316 , Reply# 28 8/17/2013 at 21:38 (3,903 days old) by Vinvac  (Dubuque IA) |
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Hans,
You are so right. Now many of the new bags are much better than in the past. Kirby has one of the best on the market. Miele and many companies that now use the cloth synthetic bags have got the right idea. Tom is right, the average person doesn't care about the vacuum, they just use it. Many folks are to tight to change the bag...lets save money...so they buy a bag-less. You could buy a years supply of bags for the cost of the filter. Rainbow has the a good idea, except a lot of dust escapes those machines as well. If you use any form of talcum powder it is not water soluble and it passes right through. The new machine has a hepa filter on the machine, but it is after the motor so your fans and motor could sustain damage. Plus, I won't empty it down the toilette. It is far to hard on the plumbing in your home. The sediment over time builds up in the trap. All vacuums have their faults...but I would agree Hans, Electrolux and Air Way had the market with good bags. I so want to try the new Aerus Platinum....They not only have a good bag but filters as well. | ||
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Post# 246317 , Reply# 29 8/17/2013 at 21:39 (3,903 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA) |
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| Post# 246319 , Reply# 30 8/17/2013 at 22:00 (3,903 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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This video puts it well regarding air system filters.
However in the other thread on here regarding Dyson Testing, there is an element of truth when testing HEPA filters and how well they are sealed. The video does show a HEPA filter cartridge completely unsealed in so far as escaping dust and they've used orange dye to show this. I know from my own experience with my Panasonic bagged upright that the HEPA filter installed isn't sealed well and is a rather cheap filter that doesn't appear to do much of a job other than hold back pet hair odour. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 246330 , Reply# 31 8/17/2013 at 22:53 (3,903 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
If you want an upright that can minimize the nasty effects of collecting smelly material like dog hair, you are better off with a fan-first classic upright - Sanitaire, Kirby, Oreck, Royal, Hoover Platinum Lightweight, etc.
With Sanitaire/Eureka's top fill F&G bags, the dust and debris fall AWAY from the airflow to the bottom of the bag, and so you are not constantly sucking air through a pile of smelly dirt as happens with the bag-first configuration. These fan-first uprights are also cheaper in terms of maintenance because you have no pre-motor or post-motor filters to buy. | ||
| Post# 246334 , Reply# 32 8/17/2013 at 23:08 (3,903 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
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My dad refuses to use anything but those cheap green or blue filters that filter next to nothing, ever since the air conditioning repair man told him that the other filters are too restrictive and can damage the A/C system. He has even convinced a couple in Walmart to not buy the better kind!
My mom on the other hand uses the good filters, after I convinced her that we should use them. It's surprising how filthy they get (I have attached a picture of one of the four filters, this one is almost three months old which means it needs to be replaced soon)! I also use a portable air cleaner in my bedroom. 
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| Post# 246355 , Reply# 33 8/18/2013 at 02:02 (3,903 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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This stuff is an excellent curative to just about every evil kind of rotten funk that, that old creeping stink can possible dish out. From runny cat crap to the 404 smells of decomp. Just two tablespoons in your bag and it's guaranteed to kick the raunchiest orders in their panty line. I got this stuff in my Vacuette Electric all the way to my newest Kirby's, and it's like air freshener without the pain and bother of a can.
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| Post# 246370 , Reply# 34 8/18/2013 at 08:28 (3,903 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
As someone who works in network television ...
... I can assure you that never in the history of CNN has a single commercial ever cost $250,000.
You're talking SUPERBOWL rates here ... on NETWORK PRIME TIME television. Perhaps an entire year's worth of 30-second spots that run three times daily on CNN might cost $250K. But I certainly get your point. Ironic that company that keeps manufacturing costs ultra-low, using the cheapest (and likely most toxic) plastic (and ONLY plastic!) and the cheapest labor in the world then turns around and spends millions on advertising said product. And yet, Kirbys and Aeruses -- that don't skimp on materials or labor -- spend hardly anything on advertising. It's been my experience throughout life that the best things out there are rarely, if ever, advertised to the masses. Why? Because they don't HAVE to be. Anybody ever hear of Stickley furniture? I didn't. I was well into my 30s as a high-paid media executive living in Manhattan -- GAY no less -- with what I thought was an impeccable sense of style. It took a friend from LA visiting NYC to drag me to a showroom I never knew existed -- right on Fifth Avenue -- to become acquainted with one of the last remaining high-end AMERICAN furniture companies. And it wasn't a storefront on the street level, either; you had to just go into this nondescript office building, simply tell the security desk "fourth floor", and an elevator whisked you into a world of hand-crafted furniture that I thought had long disappeared from the world. Everything solid oak or cherry. Nothing glued. Not a staple in sight. Craftsmanship I'd seen only in my own father's workshop, but never in a *store* of any kind. I naively asked one of the senior sales associates why they don't advertise, or at least "get the word out". She looked around and said "My dear, the word IS out. YOU got here, didn't you?" Her point was, the people who NEED to know about Stickley ... knew about Stickley. The company has been doing just fine for more than 100 years without television commercials, billboards, or sales gimmicks. And what would all that advertising bring, anyway? Foot traffic of people who a) can't tell the difference between handcrafted solid oak and tarted-up particleboard and b) wouldn't pay $5,000 for a desk or bookcase in a million years, even if they COULD afford it. And so it goes with vacuums. The masses of consumers don't care how well-built that Kirby or Aerus is, and aren't inclined to spend $2,000 on a vacuum anyway. So the advertising would be wasted. | ||
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Post# 246376 , Reply# 36 8/18/2013 at 09:59 (3,903 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan ) |
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The only bagless I have is my Rainbow. I've never really noticed any kind of dust blowing from the machine at any given time. I don't really like bagless machines. My mom swears by them. She had a Bissell Power Force Turbo and she really liked it. When dad died and she had all the money from the insurance she bought a Dyson andn loves it. I personally don't care for it and I think it's more dirty emptying those than my Rainbow or changing the bag in my Kirby.
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| Post# 246412 , Reply# 37 8/18/2013 at 13:58 (3,903 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
If I may add, There's a Kirby Classic 1-CR sitting in the back-room of a near-by vacuum shop, the bag is BACKED UP to about HALF-FULL in nasty old dog hair- And I can't smell a thing. You'd have to ram your face into the bag to get a whiff, but who on earth would do that? Now, when I RUN the machine, I'll get back to you on that.
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| Post# 246427 , Reply# 39 8/18/2013 at 15:36 (3,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ironic though that we never really bothered with such things back in the day when the most of the UK were using dirty fan uprights and so forth. Run back to the 1970s and HEPA filters weren't really thought of on vacuums, let alone "high filter" dust bags. We've only become aware of HEPA and such things as a selling point both featured with bagless and bagged vacuums.
Yet at the same time, more children are born now with allergies and those susceptible to dust, through this generation of high filters on vacuums. | ||
| Post# 246449 , Reply# 40 8/18/2013 at 18:45 (3,902 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Post# 246452 , Reply# 41 8/18/2013 at 19:00 (3,902 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan ) |
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In my opinion any vacuum with the proper care will last forever. I'm sure that a lot of the old vacuum cleaners in some collections that have been taken care of are all original. Or not. I'm 36 and one of the Electrolux vacuums that my grandmother had she got long before I was born and I was in my late teens before she upgraded to a new Electrolux. My Rainbow I got brand new when I was 21 and it still runs like I bought it last week. It all just depends on how people treat their vacuums. And that goes with bagless or bagged. My mom has finally figured this out and has gotten past the two year mark with her Dyson. | ||
| Post# 246483 , Reply# 42 8/19/2013 at 01:08 (3,902 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Apartment-wide central vac?
"Wouldn't it be neat to have a modified central vac system for apartment dwellers? It could perhaps exhaust its air through a hose connected to a window plate, kind of like some of those portable air conditioning devices..... Does this possibly exist?"
No. And it never will. As someone who runs a large (50+ units) apartment building, I can tell you that such a system cannot exist because there's no system with enough suction strength (even single-residence systems tend to be anemic in the farthest reaches of the house). Also, it would be impossible to maintain, as most apartment dwellers (renters) would abuse the system as to render it damaged beyond repair. Never underestimate the ignorance and stupidity of renters (excuse me if I offend anyone here, but I'm speaking from my own experience as a landlord); they'd be sucking up everything from food leftovers to raw sewage. | ||
| Post# 246491 , Reply# 43 8/19/2013 at 06:38 (3,902 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Matt,
I think you misunderstood: I meant a vac that condo owners or apartment renters could buy on their own, but would be designed to be wheeled over to a window to vent the exhaust. Kind of like the old dishwashers that could be wheeled over to a sink. Imagine a powerful vac with a 50 foot hose that could be wheeled out of a closet (or maybe is hidden in a nice cabinet near the window), you connect an exhaust hose to the window then connect your 50 foot hose to the device and voila! You have an apartment vac that exhausts to the outside. Just thinking outside the box here! :-) | ||
| Post# 246493 , Reply# 44 8/19/2013 at 07:18 (3,902 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
Feather Lite?
Is that like Carpet Fresh? I've seen it and always wondered what it was. I know carpet fresh is nasty and gross and bad for a vacuum.
You want something in the bag that kills bacteria and keeps it from growing. I will have to admit bags start to smell stale in NO time and after a week turning a bagged vacuum on doesn't smell that great.......The odor be gone stuff works well and so does the Rainbow air freshener on a cotton ball. Both kill bacteria...... I still don't think anything smells as good as using a Rainbow though. | ||
| Post# 246511 , Reply# 45 8/19/2013 at 10:51 (3,902 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Apartment central vac.
It could be done pretty easily as long as you find a unit that doesn't consume too much electricity and is fairly quiet. I think a drainvac S1007 would be very suitable due to it's small size high power and 58db rating while using 12.5 amps. The astrovac Sr-12 could also be used though it is a larger unit.
venting could be done with a piece of plywood lined with foam rubber you simply insert a bit of pipe through the wood to allow the air to flow out. A 50 foot hose would be overkill in an apartment though when at my last apartment i was able to reach nearly everything with a "custom" 16 foot hose. the longer the hose the more airflow you'd lose. Even a central though cannot keep out all allergens we must keep in mind that no home is completely sealed allergens will enter into the home all the time. | ||
| Post# 246517 , Reply# 46 8/19/2013 at 11:46 (3,902 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Apartment central vac ... | ||
| Post# 246519 , Reply# 47 8/19/2013 at 12:25 (3,902 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO) | ||
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That would be unlawful in NYC? Wow, that does somewhat surprise me, but then, I guess it would follow the same rules as dryer vents. Would it still be a problem if it were venting well-filtered air? | ||
| Post# 246553 , Reply# 48 8/19/2013 at 16:31 (3,901 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 246575 , Reply# 50 8/19/2013 at 17:42 (3,901 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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What do i think? | ||
| Post# 246576 , Reply# 51 8/19/2013 at 18:05 (3,901 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
They have a flush mounted vac .....
Garagevac.com has a flush mount that can be mounted in the house. Follow the link below. Can have a wall cut or put into a cabinet. I have the wall mount one in my garage with two 40 foot stretch hoses. They also sell a regular 30 ft central vac hose if you prefer.
When I wanted the two hoses connected, they warned me that it would deminish the suction if extented to 60 to 80 ft. I assured them I only wanted to reach all corners of my garage and would not be stretching the hoses at all. Works well this way and the hoses are easier to wrap around the unit. PR-21 CLICK HERE TO GO TO pr-21's LINK This post was last edited 08/19/2013 at 18:46 | ||
| Post# 246583 , Reply# 52 8/19/2013 at 19:14 (3,901 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Matt,
Does that mean you can't connect a portable air conditioner's hose to a window in NYC? There are many portable air conditioners offered now that sit on wheels on the floor and send the hot air out through a hose vented through a special window panel. See the example from Home Depot below. If New Yorkers are allowed to use these machines, why wouldn't the city allow you to vent the exhaust from a vacuum out the window? Just curious about the challenges of the concept (Tacony, are you reading this?) :-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 246588 , Reply# 53 8/19/2013 at 19:39 (3,901 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Brian ...
Air conditioners are one thing.
Vacuum units are something else. There are just far too many regulatory hurdles. And by the way, extremely few people in NYC have dryers in their apartments to begin with. Even fewer have them vented outside (those few lucky ones with dryers usually have the horribly inefficient non-vented type). Most buildings will not allow individual tenants to just punch holes into exterior walls for venting appliances. And venting a dryer out the kitchen window (the kitchen being the only logical place in NYC apartments for a dryer) is a fire code violation, since most kitchen windows are an egress out to a fire escape. And by the way, those "portable" air conditioning units aren't very popular in NYC either for two reasons: 1) They are terribly inefficient 2) They are bulky and waste too much precious space | ||
| Post# 246615 , Reply# 54 8/19/2013 at 22:27 (3,901 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 246619 , Reply# 55 8/19/2013 at 22:52 (3,901 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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You had better be most grateful that the city of New York has such draconian laws governing building codes. Giving the ineptitude of millions in such close quarters you would have a perfect conflagration which would raise the city to the ground - all mind you within a fortnight. The cost to lives and material would no doubt be staggering. Laundry lent makes good bandages, but it makes even better kindling. They don't mean no ill will, but if you give a moron any latitude they will burn you out every time!
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| Post# 246644 , Reply# 56 8/20/2013 at 00:34 (3,901 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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So many of our laws and regulations ... | ||
| Post# 246666 , Reply# 58 8/20/2013 at 07:37 (3,901 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
but then Bagless is just as messy EVERYTIME as any burst bag could be once in a while.
clouds of dust as the dirt hits the bins surfaces, not to mention you have to go outside to do it even if its raining. emptying the canister straight into the bin makes a right mess of the bin which then equals smells. bagged is best yes. | ||
| Post# 246709 , Reply# 59 8/20/2013 at 13:04 (3,901 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Again ...
... emptying a bagless is neither clean nor hygienic.
I've owned and used a bagless now for 17 years, and no matter how careful you are in emptying the chamber, there is always a poof of dust, which totally negates the hepa filtration system you'd been using all the while you were sweeping. That, and the vacuum itself ends up being dusty! I had to routinely spray down and wipe my Fantom, which is something I'd never had to do with a bagged vacuum. | ||
| Post# 246720 , Reply# 60 8/20/2013 at 14:47 (3,901 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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Post# 246722 , Reply# 61 8/20/2013 at 14:54 (3,901 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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Bagged for me
I agree with Morgan. Kirby bags are good and so are Electrolux and Airway. I would rather use a bag. I don’t see it as throwing money in the trash. I’ve never complained about throwing away a furnace filter or light bulb because it is the cost of maintenance for the appliance. For me bags are a sanitary convenience started by Airway. Using a bagless vacuum would be like taking a step backward to me.
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| Post# 246738 , Reply# 62 8/20/2013 at 15:58 (3,900 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
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I think the central vacuum that you could vent outside through a window like a portable air conditioner is a great idea! The only problem I see is that it would be noisy and as NYCWriter pointed out, some communities may not allow that.
ekonovac.com/... This is similar to what you were talking about. They say you would mount it on a wall, plug in the unit and hose pigtail, then just leave it like that. That seems like a neat idea as long as it has good filtration (or the ability to vent it outside) and it's quiet. | ||
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