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The Top Panansonic MC. UG787
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Post# 242493   7/27/2013 at 20:53 (3,483 days old) by vegassucks ()        

This It the top Panasonic upright available in the United States and a very powerful machine. I love the side opening bag door and the way it seals. I believe this underdog is probably Better Than the Miele s7 as far as quality of construction with equal performance.

Post# 242494 , Reply# 1   7/27/2013 at 20:54 (3,483 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Another photo

Here is another photo.

Post# 242495 , Reply# 2   7/27/2013 at 20:56 (3,483 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Photo with the bag tray out

And another

Post# 242496 , Reply# 3   7/27/2013 at 21:08 (3,483 days old) by vegassucks ()        
The Handle

The Handle is very solid and rubber coated, very high quality.

Post# 242565 , Reply# 4   7/28/2013 at 08:00 (3,482 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Could you

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Post a picture of the brushroll on this?

Post# 242571 , Reply# 5   7/28/2013 at 09:03 (3,482 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Im really liking this!
I wonder if the UK will recieve anything similar.

Its about time Panasonic had a good update of its bagged full size models.


Post# 242577 , Reply# 6   7/28/2013 at 10:35 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Brush roll

The brush roll is wood.

Post# 242612 , Reply# 7   7/28/2013 at 13:30 (3,482 days old) by mieles7 (DFW, TX)        

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How well does it clean bare floors?


Post# 242613 , Reply# 8   7/28/2013 at 13:37 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Bare floors

About as good as any powerful upright with brush turn off. It also comes with a floor tool that can be used with the extension wands.

Post# 242616 , Reply# 9   7/28/2013 at 14:08 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Miele vs Panasonic

You can see the bag access is much better on the Panasonic the Miele has a much better headlight.

Post# 242617 , Reply# 10   7/28/2013 at 14:11 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
In my opinion the performance is equal.

They are very close on performance with bettor edge cleaning going to the Panasonic.

Post# 242628 , Reply# 11   7/28/2013 at 15:55 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
What is Optiflow

Optiflow by Panasonic is not just a Buzz word, check out this video.


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Post# 242639 , Reply# 12   7/28/2013 at 16:33 (3,482 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Even better than this Panasonic is the red Kenmore Intuition Direct Drive upright. It's a similar design because it is made for Sears by Panasonic, but it has that great beltless brush roll which offers a gentle setting for delicate rugs. Consumer Reports gave high marks to that red Kenmore.

I think you may get better attachments with the Miele S7 though....:-)


Post# 242648 , Reply# 13   7/28/2013 at 16:52 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
The kenmore is cheaply made

The Kenmore is not half as good as the Panasonic, The Kenmore is cheaply made I checked them out . Do not forget Sears gives Panasonic a target price and Panasonic builds to that target price and cost factor. When Panasonic builds their own top of the line vacuum they build to make the best vacuum they know how.

I am also not a fan of the Kenmore brush roll, not Agressive enough and $130 to replace. The Miele tools are better but it does you little good when the bag door is broken or the hose is bad and so on. The S7 is not built to the same standards as the Miele canister line.

Consumer Reports test something for a couple days and cost is their main driver in recommendations.


Post# 242649 , Reply# 14   7/28/2013 at 17:04 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
kenmore brush Roll

See this cheap plastic brush roll used in the Kenmore. This is old technology that Panasonic no longer uses. They use superior wooden brush rolls with double the bristles in their top of the line vacuums.

Post# 242658 , Reply# 15   7/28/2013 at 17:54 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
kenmore Intuition A mess

See the Kenmore Intuition Progressive, looks cheap and not well designed, like a mess.

Post# 242659 , Reply# 16   7/28/2013 at 17:58 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
now the Panasonic

Now see this Panasonic, clean & well designed. Japanese companies take great pride the products with their name on them. So the answer is No, a Top Kenmore is not the same quality as a Top Panasonic even though they are built by Panasonic.

Post# 242660 , Reply# 17   7/28/2013 at 18:09 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
the Kenmore, again a mess

Again the Kenmore, a mess.


Post# 242661 , Reply# 18   7/28/2013 at 18:13 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
The Panasonic

So, do you really want to purchase a kenmore when you wanted a Panasonic.
Again the Panasonic, clean design.


Post# 242665 , Reply# 19   7/28/2013 at 19:38 (3,482 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Indeed, the Panasonic looks like a nice machine. But people should not overlook the similar Kenmore. It is excellent at deep carpet cleaning with the Direct Drive brush roll. And statistics have shown that Kenmore uprights historically require fewer repairs than Panasonic ones. According to the "Brand Reliability" rankings done by Consumer Reports, 10% of Panasonic uprights bought between 2007 and 2011 had serious repair issues, compared to only 6% for Kenmore. The numbers are derived as follows:

From the CR website: "...we asked almost 96,000 readers who bought a vacuum between 2007 and 2011 about their experiences. The graph shows the percentage of models for each brand that were repaired or had a serious problem. Differences of less than 4 points aren't meaningful, and we've adjusted the data to eliminate differences linked solely to age and usage. Models within a brand may vary, and design or manufacture changes might affect future reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model."

I actually prefer the colour of the Panasonic! And the bag disposal system looks great. :-) But I also really like the Kenmore with that Beltless Brush Roll with the motor inside. And the onboard turbo nozzle provided with the Kenmore.. :-)

In the world of canisters, that red Panasonic cg902 is a great basic machine that performs really well.



Post# 242668 , Reply# 20   7/28/2013 at 20:28 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
A flavor for everyone.

The Kenmore is a great buy especially on eBay, I just like the best of what a manufacture makes, it's not always in my price range so alternatives are good to have. I owned a Kenmore/Sebo years ago but he colors were not nearly as nice as the Sebo labeled ones. Again Consumer Reports is the last place I look for an opinion.

Post# 242669 , Reply# 21   7/28/2013 at 20:31 (3,482 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Oh

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I was expecting a metal brushroll underneath i thought their higher ended ones used metal while wood was for their lower lines have they stopped using the metal ones all together?

Post# 242670 , Reply# 22   7/28/2013 at 20:34 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Another difference

This show the Hepa filter located in the bag compartment on the Panasonic not slapped on the back where it is not sealed and sticks out on the Kenmore. There is really no comparison in the two accept if you want a sub $100 machine on ebay the Kenmore is a good value.

Post# 242674 , Reply# 23   7/28/2013 at 21:01 (3,482 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Brush rolls

Wood was always used on higher end machines in the past. Each manufacture will sell you in whatever they offer at the time as being best. Plastic is cheap other than that I look at the pattern of the brushes and avoid anything with a metal beater bar. Metal beater bars are for flat carpet. I believe the Miele s7 uses plastic but it looks like a nice brush.

Post# 242762 , Reply# 24   7/29/2013 at 08:54 (3,481 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
I haven't payed too much attention to panasonic lately

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and it may be that they are using wood on higher end ones now but i recall models such as the Jet-flo, platinum and triforces using metal rollers. Some of them even had 3 rows of brushes on them.

Post# 243612 , Reply# 25   8/3/2013 at 23:56 (3,476 days old) by vegassucks ()        
here is where the Horespower is coming from

Here is some additional info on the motor Panasonic uses in these premium models. The MC-UG775 & MC-UG773 are very similar to the 778 with a couple of less features. I am a big fan of this line of Panaconic and believe them to be an excellent value. These vacuums are only sold through high end vacuum shops therefore they are not mass marketed units.

Post# 243614 , Reply# 26   8/3/2013 at 23:59 (3,476 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Here it is the least expensive.

Here is the MC-UG773, least expensive but still excellent.

Post# 243618 , Reply# 27   8/4/2013 at 00:04 (3,476 days old) by vegassucks ()        
And the silver middle line

Here is the silver MC-UG775. Sorry to keep this post alive, I just believe this excellent vacuum has fallen under the radar do their limited release to high-end shops.

Post# 243667 , Reply# 28   8/4/2013 at 15:34 (3,475 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Update

Only the top of the line MC-UG 787 has two motors. The other units have one motor and a clutch type release for the belt.

Post# 243706 , Reply# 29   8/4/2013 at 18:33 (3,475 days old) by dressur ()        

I don't know,,, bard to beat German. But I love German stuff anyway. I like the way the Meile looks better

Post# 243708 , Reply# 30   8/4/2013 at 18:38 (3,475 days old) by dressur ()        

although that motor (picture just showed up) and I have to say,,, looks a lot like the simplicity motor, I don't know the motor in the meile. Viel Besser than the Kenwood.

Post# 243712 , Reply# 31   8/4/2013 at 19:00 (3,475 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Miele Motor

No doubt the Miele looks better and has an incredible motor. The problem is the hose breaks and several other issues. Miele is close to having an unbeatable upright, they need to slim it down a little and use the quality of materials Sebo uses.

Post# 243713 , Reply# 32   8/4/2013 at 19:01 (3,475 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Motors

I believe only Miele and maybe Lindhaus makes their own motors, the rest of the companies put stickers on 3rd party motors.


Post# 243714 , Reply# 33   8/4/2013 at 19:12 (3,475 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Miele vs The Panasonic

I have used both and the Panasonic cleans as well as the Miele and is easier to push. The turning head on the Miele is a gimmick, it's to big to swivel around table legs. Leave the swivel heads to canister vacuums. And you tell me who has a couch with enough room to vacuum under it with any upright vacuum. It is a Lexus versus BMW, I assure you the Lexus will break less often over a 5 year run.

Post# 243715 , Reply# 34   8/4/2013 at 19:12 (3,475 days old) by dressur ()        

How good are Lindhaus motors??? Is the Meile motor and the Lindhaus repairable? that Panasonic looks like it could be rebuilt.

Post# 243717 , Reply# 35   8/4/2013 at 19:17 (3,475 days old) by vegassucks ()        
Motors

Lindhaus are built like tanks, no where near the airflow of this Panasonic thou. Miele motors seem bullet proof. Ametek builds most motors including many Sebo vacuums. They are built to a companies specs, more expensive vacuums typically have the top motors. Motor brushes are not expensive to replace and does not have to be done very often.



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Post# 243770 , Reply# 36   8/5/2013 at 08:38 (3,474 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Lindhaus motors

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They seem well built but as vegassucks their uprights don't have a lot of airflow my healthcare pro pulls a 2 on the baird meter. the Activa doesn't pull anything but i once tested an Aria that pulled a 6.5 (hose end) which is still the most airflow i've seen on a power nozzle canister.

Post# 243844 , Reply# 37   8/5/2013 at 15:56 (3,474 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

That bagged Panasonic looks very impressive. The actual base (topside and underneath) of it looks similar to the two year old UK bagless version (MC-UL596) - even down to the brushroll reset switch.

I would buy it, having been put off by Miele's S7 cost and irritating design, and Sebo's X4 hose and brushroll design.

My only concern is that the UK usually seems to get a cheaper, dumbed-down version, with no dust sensor, one motor only, and in some cases, missing a bagcheck indicator.


Post# 263636 , Reply# 38   1/16/2014 at 21:22 (3,310 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
The commercial version of this Panasonic...

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See link, has metal brush roll & bottom plate. I'm very glad you posted this. I now kick myself for not getting a slightly used UG787 when i had a chance last year. I'll have to track down one of these commercial versions to make it up to myself. That misty green color is nice though.

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Post# 263683 , Reply# 39   1/17/2014 at 11:28 (3,309 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Just ciuriouis...

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How do these Panasonic vacuums compare in performance and price to the Riccar Tandem Air vacuums?

Does Riccar make their own motors?


Post# 263684 , Reply# 40   1/17/2014 at 11:34 (3,309 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Kirby's the best

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As far as deep down superior carpet cleaning ability goes,I would put my Kirby Sentria up against any of these Japanese vacuums and come out on top.

Post# 355831 , Reply# 41   7/11/2016 at 00:49 (2,404 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
I know this is old

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I saw this thread earlier today that I didn't even knew it existed so I thought I would share my own opinions on these Optiflows. I've used all the Optiflow models before at my old vacuum store when these were out in like the late 2000's. I actually liked the silver MC-UG775 model the best than the green MC-UG787 model because I find it cleans carpets a little better than the green model with a steel bottom plate and a 3-row steel brushroll. The blue MC-UG773 and the Ultra-Pro model cleans just about the same as the silver one because all three use the same design but the silver model offered a switch on the handle than on the body, it has a vac gauge light, and it has a switch to turn the brushroll off than the other two.

I see some members were wondering how these competed against like Miele, Kenmore, Kirby, or a tandem air vacuum. Well I've used all of them before so here's what I thought;

Panasonic vs Miele: vegassucks said before they were both equal, I will have to agree because they both perform very well. But I perfer the Panasonic because it's a little more simple to use.

Panasonic vs Kenmore intuition: Oh definitely the Panasonic was way much better because it does better on carpets, it's more quiet, and I can feel the Panasonic was more durable. Plus the parts are also much cheaper to get than the Kenmore.

Panasonic vs Kirby: The Kirby is way much better on carpets but using the hose on the Panasonic was much more easier but it doesn't have enough airflow like the Kirby.

Panasonic vs Tandem Air Riccar/Simplicity: The tandem air machines does WAY better on carpets but I like using the hose better on the Panasonic.

But overall they were the most expensive Panasonics I have ever seen because they were sold between $500-$900. But I think they were the best models that Panasonic has ever made. So yeah that's my overall thoughts on these, if anybody asks what is the best Panasonic I have ever used, I would say the silver MC-UG775 was the best one I have ever used.


Post# 457407 , Reply# 42   10/13/2022 at 15:25 by Preston (SLC UT)        
Missing upholstery tool

I just picked one of these up from the thrift. Itís the sea foam green and and itís in pretty good shape. It came with the extension wand and crevice tool, but missing the upholstery tool. Would anyone happen to have one theyíd be willing to give up?

Thanks and sorry for reviving the old thread. Itís a great vac.



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