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| Post# 239108 , Reply# 1 7/6/2013 at 06:35 (3,946 days old) by ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 239110 , Reply# 2 7/6/2013 at 06:54 (3,946 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Best Bagless - Dyson DC15 Allergy Best Bagged - Miele S7510 Autocare Best Upright - Miele S7510 Autocare Best Cylinder - Miele S6220 Best Handheld - Black and Decker Best Brand - Miele Best Suited - Sebo X4 Extra | ||
| Post# 239112 , Reply# 3 7/6/2013 at 07:04 (3,946 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Best bagless: Dyson. Although filterqueen is efficient too. Best bagged: hmm, Miele probably Best upright: hoover Turbopower Best cylinder: I love pre-1990's electroluxes Best handheld: Dirt devil handy Best brand: Kirby Best suited: dyson DC25 | ||
Post# 239119 , Reply# 4 7/6/2013 at 08:24 (3,946 days old) by jfalberti  (Visalia, CA) |
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Mine are | ||
| Post# 239124 , Reply# 5 7/6/2013 at 09:56 (3,946 days old) by ncovert (Grove City, PA) | ||
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Here's what I think... Best bagless: Probably my GE/Eureka (only bagless vacuum I own) Best bagged: Kirby G4 all the way! Best upright: Any Kirby! Best canister: Kenmore 116.22312202 Best handheld: Royal Prince 501 Best suited: Kirby G4 | ||
| Post# 239132 , Reply# 6 7/6/2013 at 10:19 (3,946 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Awesome guys! :D I gotta Get a Kirby because I thought Dyson was the best, I still do as its like my best so far I used, and everybody loves kirby and them people also own lots of dysons! whats it like? | ||
| Post# 239133 , Reply# 7 7/6/2013 at 10:39 (3,946 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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Post# 239137 , Reply# 8 7/6/2013 at 11:40 (3,946 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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| Post# 239143 , Reply# 9 7/6/2013 at 12:55 (3,946 days old) by jimmer () | ||
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Ok Mine Bagless: Shark Rotator Bagged: Miele S8590 Marin Upright: Hoover Platinum UH30010 Cylinder: Miele S8590 Marin Handheld: Black & Decker Pivot Vac Brand: Miele Best Suited : Miele S6270 Onyx | ||
| Post# 239149 , Reply# 10 7/6/2013 at 13:17 (3,946 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Sorry I can't just pick one...
Best Bagless: Vax Mach Air Reach.
Best Bagged: SEBO X1/X1.1/X4 (not just on capacity, but bonus running costs). Best upright: SEBO X or Felix. Best cylinder: SEBO K1, Miele S4000, S5000, SEBO D2, Numatic Henry. Hand Held: Dirt Devil Handy Zip or Black & Decker - both brands seem to outlive anything else I have had. Brand: SEBO, Miele, Numatic. Best suited: SEBO or Miele. | ||
| Post# 239189 , Reply# 11 7/6/2013 at 16:49 (3,946 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
Bagless - Oh please...
Bagged - 1994 Hoover Turbopower 1000 Upright - Same as above Cylinder - 2000 Electrolux Tango Handheld - 1951 Hoover Dustette 100 Brand - Hoover, who better? One(s) that suit(s) you best - 1949 Hoover 612 for the sheer pleasure of operating a finely designed piece of electrical history. | ||
| Post# 239190 , Reply# 12 7/6/2013 at 16:57 (3,946 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 239192 , Reply# 13 7/6/2013 at 17:27 (3,945 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 239193 , Reply# 14 7/6/2013 at 17:29 (3,945 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Awesome Again! :D PS I forgot to add the following: What vac you miss the most? Mine: Dyson DC01 owned from new, DC25 and DC14 allergy | ||
| Post# 239199 , Reply# 15 7/6/2013 at 18:03 (3,945 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
HOOVER, Just like Jamie said...Who bloddy better!?
well i wouldn't really say anything was better but things were practically same in performance and even better in convenience, look at the Moulinex, from what I understand the basic model came with a bag light and a automatic cord rewind and the tools were much easier to insert and it would of been £65, now the U2194 was £85 and didn't have half the features of the Moulinex, same with the hitachi cv50(I think) Electrolux and Panasonic machines of the time. now i like hoovers but they're slogan is just stupid nothing is really better but everything else at the time performed practically equally this is not me saying ALL machines at the time performed the same as the turbopower 1ns
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| Post# 239200 , Reply# 16 7/6/2013 at 18:07 (3,945 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 239201 , Reply# 17 7/6/2013 at 18:09 (3,945 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 239211 , Reply# 20 7/6/2013 at 21:01 (3,945 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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Miss the most? | ||
| Post# 239238 , Reply# 21 7/7/2013 at 08:26 (3,945 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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VR well said!
Hoover did indeed sit back on their laurels and offered one gimmick after another. Especially around Xmas time with their 1940s to 1950s ads that can be seen on You Tube and far later than the Air Miles campaign that effectively split the U.S company from Hoover "Europe." However, in Scotland and because the Hoover brand was alive and kicking from the Cambuslang factory, Hoover were probably thee most popular brand. My gran was a fan of Hoover as were my parents right up until the 1990s. But looking back I think it had a lot to do with parts and spares availability too. Buying dust bags or belts for a Hoover Junior/Senior and others was far more common place than the equivalent cylinders and uprights by Electrolux. | ||
| Post# 239242 , Reply# 22 7/7/2013 at 09:29 (3,945 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Lets not forget, the Moulinex actually came well before the Turbopower, as did the Hitachi CV50D and both cleaners offer features that were first's for Hoover with Turbopowers such as the hardbag design, auto cord rewind, air fresheners etc. Electrolux were also producing hardbag and far more practical cleaners from 1971.
I do love Hoover, but for a company with such big success, they were always 1 step behind everyone else. You bought into the name "Hoover" and not necessarily a quality product. | ||
| Post# 239248 , Reply# 23 7/7/2013 at 10:33 (3,945 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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You make some very good points Benny. From what I can tell, Hoover made a fantastic vacuum cleaner (albeit always a step behind others in terms of modernisation), advertised heavily with some gimmicks and let the name sell the product.
Electrolux on the other hand made more advanced vacuums which were ahead of their time which appealed to those wishing to procure a modern cleaner with the latest features. Both brands made vacuum cleaners which would stand up to the test of time and do a very good job of cleaning your home, but one was more "traditional" in its approach and the other more "with the times". To verify that statement you only have to look at Hoover's main upright from 1970 and Electroluxe's equivalent - the Hoover Senior and Electrolux 500. Even I won't deny the 500 was far more advanced and in terms of carpet and above floor cleaning - it ran rings around the Senior with it's poorly designed pan converter for the hose. But despite the obvious advantage to owning an Electrolux, people still went out and bought the Senior because it had the Hoover badge on it and that (back then) stood for quality and reliability. For the markets they targeted, Hoover and Electrolux were both outstanding manufacturers. Nowadays the only thing separating Hoover and Electrolux is who can make the cheapest vacuum cleaner, because after all, that's what people look for these days - price and little more. I would say though that Numatic is very similar to Hoover in terms of selling strategy - the design is old fashioned and (unfortunately) the gimmicks are starting to appear. Sadly times can only move forward, and we must move with them and whatever they bring (thinner plastic and higher wattage motors probably). | ||
| Post# 239256 , Reply# 24 7/7/2013 at 11:08 (3,945 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe) | ||
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| Post# 239259 , Reply# 25 7/7/2013 at 11:50 (3,945 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 239260 , Reply# 26 7/7/2013 at 12:01 (3,945 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe) | ||
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| Post# 239272 , Reply# 29 7/7/2013 at 13:44 (3,945 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 239276 , Reply# 30 7/7/2013 at 13:56 (3,945 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Don't Electrolux make the powerlite anymore? | ||
| Post# 239304 , Reply# 31 7/7/2013 at 21:45 (3,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Fleeting statements as usual, JM!
Id love to know where you get your info from Jamie. Instead of the usual fleeting statements, research the markets before and after Candy's take over. Or were you born then? No? Didn't think so.
For a start you're not one of those kids born in the 1980s like I was. Let me put you in the picture. Though households had Hoover vacuums, most uprights were the Junior, not the Senior and of the cylinder vacuums, most households had the Electrolux brand in the 1960s to the 1970s. A handful had Goblin, Rotel budget canister vacs and a few other brands - a few even had Hoover cylinder vacs - but rather than slate Electrolux for the brand it is now, it is worlds away from Hoover at present as Hoover lack a prestige label - Electrolux has AEG for that as well as other brands to cover its larger appliances. Back in the 1970s Hoover enjoyed a bigger UK market share for their larger home appliances - and my family had 2 Keymatic washing machines, a CrystalJet Dishwasher (eventually replaced funnily enough by two Candy dishwashers), a Space Saver larder fridge, a Hoover twin tub, a Hoover Electron 800, A Hoover Electron 1300 and eventually the replacement model with dryer, the Hoover Ecologic 1300. Dont tell me about brand loyalty - my family were a big Hoover brand fan. Electrolux on the other hand didn't have as big a larger appliance range than Hoover did - but one thing that the Swedish company seemed to excel in other than vacuums were their freezers - deep freezers and fridge freezers and Electrolux were one of the very few to offer a domestic compact deep freezer at a time when supermarkets started to stock in frozen food - well before Farmfoods etc started to come in. Hoover had freezers of course but they were constantly running into problems and Which reports also cite that Hoover took a rather long time to develop a proper fridge freezer of their own as Electrolux appeared to control the market in that area, alone. Currently Jamie, although Electrolux have one bagged upright on the market under their own name (the Powerlite), they are in a better situation with the umbrella of brands they can off shoot appliances and models to. A bit like VW with their Skoda & Seat brands. Electrolux did make a rebadged Hilight upright model that John Lewis sold under their own name and appears seasonally at John Lewis stores despite not being on their website. Another upright based on a commercial model in the U.S was also released a few years ago but sales did not take off because Electrolux began to heavily invest in AEG by then, to pass over prestige lines to AEG, as buyers began to take notice of the German brands in floor care such as Miele, SEBO & Bosch. Some call it canny or cheating when a brand that was originally German and now under control of Electrolux is passing off Chinese made vacuums with an AEG badge. But, in light of that, AEG offer far more bagged cylinder vacuums, much more I may add than what Hoover presently offer and AEG/Electrolux canisters have won awards and are very quiet in use - again, far more convenient than the noisy motors Hoover produce. Electrolux's third line from the Zanussi brand is basically rebadging old stock and passing it out to those who are clearly on a budget. Though initially appearing as two bagless uprights, Zanussi have also offered two bagged cylinder vacuums, one of which has never been in the UK before under the Electrolux branding. It is available through catalogues and appears seasonally. Another off shoot that Electrolux has supplied models to are the catalogue chain Littlewoods, where some Swan cylinder vacs are rebadged Eureka U.S models with the Swan catalogue brand. Where their floorcare range is concerned, certainly as a bagged fan - I think Electrolux have a greater foot hold now over Hoover, don't you think? However, Id love to know what you think Numatic are selling on a gimmick though? Numatic machines are not gimmicks and will always be far better at cleaning as well as better built than the commercial tub vacuum that Hoover didn't even produce themselves. As for the Hoover Turbo Power upright - well, as you know already, it's not actually designed by Hoover. | ||
| Post# 239311 , Reply# 32 7/8/2013 at 02:36 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Firstly, I take your point that a lot of homes had Hoover Juniors (and I should have mentioned this) but the Seniors were also very popular too. No, I was not around at the time but my mother was and remembers seeing them in a lot of houses in the 70s and 80s.
Thank you for taking the time to write your statement, I take many points from it and have gained knowledge - thank you. What do I mean by Numatic selling a gimmick? Well, I thought you'd have heard about the 3-D face? If that isn't a gimmick then what is? Also, the "Eco" branded models are also gimmicks in my opinion as they offer very little in the way of saving energy (the standard models are only 1200W) and cost more. Thirdly (and you will probably dispute this) - the "park" clip! Yes, I know it may be useful initially but how long do you really expect it to last before it snaps off, as they all do? Trust me, I've owned plenty cylinder vacuums in the past and the park clips last less than a year with moderate to heavy use. I am not saying Numatic don't make damn good vacuum cleaners - you know from my previous posts that I'm a big Numatic fan, but I'm just disappointed to see them going down the gimmick road. My saying they are old fashioned was not intended as an insult to them whatsoever, that was actually a positive and something I loved about Hoovers too. As usual, I evidently did not explain myself clearly enough and for that I apologise, but for any lack of knowledge I have I will not apologise as the only way for one to gain knowledge is by learning from others. Believe it or not, I learn a lot from your posts as I do with many others. | ||
| Post# 239314 , Reply# 34 7/8/2013 at 04:49 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I totally understand why Numatic are doing what they are but in my mind they are gimmicks all the same - something to make the cleaner sell but that has no real purpose or use.
One thing I do find hypocritical is that people say the eco feature is good for the Henry yet they say the Autosense on the Hoover Turbopowers is "useless". | ||
| Post# 239315 , Reply# 35 7/8/2013 at 04:55 (3,944 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
Well...
Hi, Well for me...
Bagless - I'd say my Filter Queen Magestic 70th Anniversary Bagged - Kirby Sentria... Well any of my Kirbys Upright - Kirby Sentria... Well any of my Kirbys Cylinder - Electrolux 345 Automatic Handheld _ Ummm Kirby Vacuette or Dirt Devil Handy Brand - KIRBY:o) Best suited - KIRBY:o) James:o) | ||
| Post# 239317 , Reply# 36 7/8/2013 at 05:20 (3,944 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Jamie it's not hypercritical, its a fact. The autosense cleaner relied on the cleaner saying when it found grit, where as Numatic cleaners say "I have two settings, which one do YOU think you need?". For a good deal of cleaning jobs, the lower setting is fine. | ||
| Post# 239318 , Reply# 37 7/8/2013 at 05:49 (3,944 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Autosense...
Well, I love the Numatic EcoSetting and I HATE the Hoover Autosense feature. If the Hoover was purely a 3-setting variable power, I would like it. The autosense with the constantly adjusting power is just stupid. I don't want areas of my carpet less clean than others! I want to be able to select the best power option for whatever I'm cleaning. The Numatic 2 speed motor is hardly a gimmick. Variable speed has been around since the 60's. And with the Numatic, the user can decide exactly what power they want to use unlike the Hoover where it is decided for them via a less than adequate method of having a microphone pick up the sound of dirt. Hardly all that efficient.
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| Post# 239319 , Reply# 38 7/8/2013 at 06:14 (3,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Expectations and Experience are not the same.
JM - If you had any sense you'd realise that Numatic offered the 2 suction speed control for their domestic buyers rather than that just the bleed valve at the top. If you have owned a Numatic before then you'll know that the force of the suction is so strong at the top end that it is impossible to clean delicate furnishings and other areas. The low power setting on the Numatic is delicate enough to do curtains without pulling them off the rail as well as other furnishings.
So what if the 3D face is a gimmick - it isn't any less a gimmick than Hoover's tacky Jazz stickers for their current cheap bagless vacuum of the same name. The park clip is a good idea. Until you actually have a model that has one and breaks off, by all means state your experience then. Also the auto sense feature IS a gimmick on the Hoover - whilst it can be changed manually down to the lowest setting, it isn't long before the machine puts the motor up, which is downright annoying. You don't want a machine that does that when you're cleaning - unless of course you enjoy returning to the machine all the time to get the suction setting you want, not what the machine "senses" you to have. | ||
| Post# 239322 , Reply# 39 7/8/2013 at 06:20 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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It is still the same idea though that you can have two low power settings or increase it to maximum (Turbo Boost) if you wish.
You said with the Autosense some areas of the carpet are cleaner than others which may be true, but it is the same with the Eco feature on the Numatics also! If you clean some areas of the carpet Eco (as you end up doing if you forget to press the button after turning it on and don't want to bend down again) then switch it to Hi for others. If the standard Numatic didn't already have a Hi/Lo switch I'd say it is a good idea but you really aren't getting anything new with the Eco models, except the fact the vacuum makes the decision to start in Lo instead of you. Some users prefer to vacuum on full power all the time which they can do on the standard models, but with the Eco ones they have to press the boost button every time you turn it on. | ||
| Post# 239323 , Reply# 40 7/8/2013 at 06:26 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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"JM - If you had any sense you'd realise that Numatic offered the 2 suction speed control for their domestic buyers rather than that just the bleed valve at the top. If you have owned a Numatic before then you'll know that the force of the suction is so strong at the top end that it is impossible to clean delicate furnishings and other areas. The low power setting on the Numatic is delicate enough to do curtains without pulling them off the rail as well as other furnishings."
Actually Ryan I do own a Numatic and know fine well that the suction is too great for delicate furnishings on the Hi mode which is why you can turn it down to Lo when YOU want. With the Eco models it automatically starts on Lo when you might always want it to start in Hi (if you mainly used it for carpets etc...) "So what if the 3D face is a gimmick - it isn't any less a gimmick than Hoover's tacky Jazz stickers for their current cheap bagless vacuum of the same name." I don't see where that argument is going as I've never supported modern Hoovers, let alone the Jazz and would happily state all its useless gimmicks. | ||
| Post# 239324 , Reply# 41 7/8/2013 at 06:27 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 239325 , Reply# 42 7/8/2013 at 06:32 (3,944 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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but with the Eco ones they have to press the boost button ev
That is to encourage the user to use the machine in the low setting. Low power on the eco Henry's is perfectly adequate for most cleaning.
As for your comments comparing the Autosense and EcoSwitch, rubbish! You wouldn't use the low setting on a Numatic cleaner to vacuum a deep pile carpet - you would have it in high mode until you have finished and then go onto the next. For a low pile carpet, the low setting is fine and so you would consistently use that setting for that carpet. Therefore, your carpet is getting equally amounts of consistent cleaning, but the power selected can vary depending on how thick the pile or how dirty the carpet is. I've found with the autosense that the low setting is too low and leaves too much behind. Lets not forget that pet hair DOES NOT increase the motor power on the autosense cleaners. Equally, I wouldn't want to run the cleaner in full power all the time. The middle setting is spot on, but this cannot be manually selected. That's why I prefer the base model T2's as they are like using an autosense cleaner in the middle setting. It could just be me, but I am continually getting the impression that you deliberatly going out of your way to be difficult and finding negative things to comment on just for the sake of it. Have you ever tried not trying to irritate somebody? Might be an idea... | ||
| Post# 239326 , Reply# 43 7/8/2013 at 06:50 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Believe it or not Chris but I do not try to irritate people. I just state my views as they come into my head.
My point is, if people really want to be economical (which is the kind of people the Eco models are trying to attract), they can save money by buying a standard model and turning it to Lo when they don't need the extra power. For someone who is truly wishing to save energy this task should not be any more difficult than turning a light switch on and off. | ||
| Post# 239328 , Reply# 44 7/8/2013 at 06:55 (3,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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In your reply 23, you state quite clearly that "...I would say though that Numatic is very similar to Hoover in terms of selling strategy - the design is old fashioned and (unfortunately) the gimmicks are starting to appear..."
In view of that, we all know that your cherished machine is not sold anymore. So, con-currently the Numatic Henry is sold and is now sold with a gimmick. The closest model that is sold from Hoover is the Jazz, with its very similar concept of tarting up the exterior to make it nice. Get it now? You can't get away with passing off an old upright vacuum that Hoover used to make and compare it to a cylinder vacuum in any regard, either. Fair enough if Numatic still made an upright vacuum, which I think you would then find your Turbopower would be pitted into the ground! Actually JM, I choose to either call myself Ryan or Nar, as it is split up from my real name, Na-ryan. Nar or Ryan will do quite happily, thanks. As for "this argument," well it was a discussion. I feel that Chris makes good and valid points here as well as the fact that you seem to turn back to your Hoover Turbopower Autosense at every opportunity - it isn't sold anymore - it was good for its time as were a lot of other vacuum cleaners. And so what if owners have to manually push the button to high if the machine goes on? Far less stress than fighting with the Autosense for the power level you want, not what the machine thinks you want! A simple push button to activate a setting is far simpler in the same way as pushing the pedal down on the 2 pedal floor head to clean a hard floor. Or as you say, switching a light on and off ... | ||
| Post# 239334 , Reply# 45 7/8/2013 at 07:40 (3,944 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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What I was meaning is that Numatic is getting how Hoover was for all those years with older styling and gimmicks. Of course what I see as a gimmick some people will see as a useful feature and vice versa - I was simply stating what my views and opinions are on the subject.
You don't agree with me, that's fine, I'm not asking you to I'm just stating what I feel - right or wrong. | ||
| Post# 239354 , Reply# 46 7/8/2013 at 12:47 (3,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Back up your opinion with experience or evidence.
I would completely agree with you IF Numatic were a wholly domestic market brand but I'm sorry - you're out of your depth. Numatic's styling is just fine because you seem to forget that Numatic were originally a commercial vacuum cleaner company - and still are.
Thus if you look at other competitor rivals in the commercial fields where commercial tub vacuums are concerned, at least Henry has a style even if it comes down to just a smiling face. IF Numatic were so concerned about the domestic market, they'd have more machines for that area alone against the commercial trade - which clearly, they don't. They cared enough to allow a park slot to be added as well as the hi/lo suction settings, and not to mention at one time the free tool bag you used to find alongside the vacuums. I applaud Numatic for the Henry model alone in being able to wind up the cord after use. You should try being an employee of a cleaning company who has to manually wind up a 12 metre cable on other vacuums after every room has been cleaned - you'll appreciate the wind up roller cable then, if your firm uses Henry vacuums. If you are prepared to learn from others, you must be able to accept criticism as well as be prepared to hear what others have to say. If you can't accept that then you're not really learning anything. Agreeing with or disagreeing with is one thing but not using proper information or evidence to back up your theories to support your opinion is foolhardy to think others may not react to it. | ||
| Post# 242015 , Reply# 48 7/25/2013 at 09:17 (3,927 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 242031 , Reply# 49 7/25/2013 at 11:00 (3,927 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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For me it's: Best Bagless: Dyson DC14 Best Bagged: Numatic James, Henry, and Hetty. Best Upright: Dyson DC25 Ball Best Cylinder: Dyson DC02 Handheld: Don't have one but I'd say the Dyson DC34 is the best. Best Brand: Dyson + Numatic Suits best: Dyson | ||
| Post# 242141 , Reply# 51 7/26/2013 at 05:21 (3,926 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 242143 , Reply# 52 7/26/2013 at 05:48 (3,926 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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Have you ever used the DC34? | ||
| Post# 242145 , Reply# 53 7/26/2013 at 06:16 (3,926 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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What a good question micheal!! | ||
| Post# 242149 , Reply# 54 7/26/2013 at 07:07 (3,926 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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In fact, yes, I have used a DC34 :P I find it very good on performance and for quick clean-ups! | ||
| Post# 242871 , Reply# 55 7/30/2013 at 03:48 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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But Ryan..
On Hoovers Autosense you could technically have your low power like on Numatics Autosave...But then you could override Autosense completely and put it in it's highest power just like Autosave...Only difference with Autosense is you had an extra medium Power level...I like the Autosense and it was very ingenious for the early 90's!!
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| Post# 242875 , Reply# 56 7/30/2013 at 05:47 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Do we need to go down this road again?
Yes Alex but as Chris pointed out in reply 37 and 42, the Autosense feature isn't really that convenient and technically isn't the same as reality!
A simpler slider suction or button presets of speeds is far easier and highly advantageous if your machine has it - no need to keep returning to get the suction speed you want rather than what the machine thinks you should have - and especially in light of the Hoover's original motor noise - increased whine to the ears. | ||
| Post# 242878 , Reply# 57 7/30/2013 at 06:03 (3,922 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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The problem I have with the autosense is that it doesn't work. Very fine grit that the cleaner is meant to detect does not increase the motor power. Whatever debris being vacuum up HAS to make a noise when passing through the cleaner to have any sort of impact. A carpet caked in pet hair wouldn't increase the motor power either. Running the cleaner on max power constantly risks overheating the motor and using uncessecary power.
Personally, I don't want patches of my carpet cleaned more thoroughly than the rest, because some sound in the cleaner has triggered the "autosense" (I used inverted comma's because it wasn't actually sensing anything, it was just picking up noise). The autosense feature was a completely unnecessary marketing gimmick used purely as a promotional tool and a feature to bump the price of the cleaner up and not to aid the performance of the machine. There was absolutely no difference in performance between the basic and autosense models. If anything, the basic models had far better pickup by running constantly in the "middle" setting, making the autosense models pointlessly expensive. I'm not just picking on the Turbo 2 either. The Panasonic Icon had a similar feature (although this was optional and the cleaner could be used as a standard variable power cleaner if the user wished. Same with Miele "automatic" cleaners) that I didn't liked and I didn't like the Turbopower Boost either for similar reasons. The autosave is essentially the same as using a 2 speed cleaner, but designed to demonstrate to the average user that you do not need full motor power for good cleaning results. You have to remember, we're not the "average user" and we know this already. To use my sister as an example, she bought an autosave Hetty about 2 years ago and was amazed that it did such a good job on low power. She only ever has to boost the power to clean the thicker carpet she has in her bedroom, meaning the other 4 rooms in her house only ever need to be vacuumed with low power. The fact of the matter is, the autosave feature does what it is meant to do - it automatically saves energy. But the control of the power is still in the hands of the user and is completely optional. | ||
| Post# 242884 , Reply# 58 7/30/2013 at 06:50 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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"You wouldn't use the low setting on a Numatic cleaner to vacuum a deep pile carpet - you would have it in high mode" Chris, you wouldn't use a Numatic cleaner to vacuum a deep pile carpet AT ALL!! This post was last edited 07/30/2013 at 09:55 | ||
| Post# 242886 , Reply# 59 7/30/2013 at 06:57 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well actually Alex, some do - especially in schools where deep carpets have been added and where some schools have cleaning companies that don't have SEBO uprights. There is enough power in a Henry for general quick suction of dust you can see - that is enough for anyone - anyone who goes so deeply into worrying about with "deep down grit and dirt" is removed has too much time on their hands, frankly. Fine if you're home with your parents.
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| Post# 242896 , Reply# 60 7/30/2013 at 08:34 (3,922 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I agree, and also you can use a Henry with a powerhead or the airo brush | ||
| Post# 242898 , Reply# 61 7/30/2013 at 08:44 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Infact when you come to think about it - Henry is pretty versatile if you're going to go down to the "most practical" because:
1) The dust bags are nearly twice the capacity than average vacuums. 2) Henry can be used with bagless OR fitted with a fabric SMS washable dust bag. 3) Henry can be upgraded with Hospital grade filters if necessary. 4) Henry has a long cord and the auto/2 speed function. 5) Henry can use the same tools as a Hoover given the 3.2cm/32mm measurement. 6) Henry can be used on both carpets and hard floors without damage. 7) At cost Henry isn't that expensive to buy brand new. 8) Henry is built with durable plastics & high strength metal. I'm sure there are others... | ||
| Post# 242905 , Reply# 62 7/30/2013 at 09:51 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Ryan... Why would I need to have time on my hands to worry about the embedded grit? If I had a good upright cleaner to remove it in the first place, why would I have to think about it at all? And what does living at home with my parents have anything to do with it?...Fasinating how you either know or assume that. | ||
| Post# 242910 , Reply# 63 7/30/2013 at 10:06 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Indeed - ask yourself the matter regarding deep down dirt OR the dirt you want to take off without having to fight with the auto sense mode on the Turbopower 2/3 in the first place!
I used the scenario of living at home with parents in so far "spending all the time vacuuming," as opposed to me who has to work 12 hours a day and won't bother about taking up half an hour of fighting with an upright that apparently has a time saving device in "sensing the dirt." A quick sprint around with a cordless sweeper gets the dirt up in half the time than having to go through that nonsense. IF Hoover had just fitted a more conventional suction speed or slider like Dirt Devil did with their copied Turbopower 2/3 series version, life would be peachy. But no, instead you have to fight with the vacuum at the speed you want, not what the machine wants you to do. | ||
| Post# 242912 , Reply# 64 7/30/2013 at 10:08 (3,922 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Alex, the point being that 99.5% of the population don't care about deep down grit, as long as the carpet is clean. The other 0.5% are us.
My sister has a mixture of bare floors, low pile carpet and 1 thick carpet in her bedroom. Hetty works just fine at removing the dust, pet hairs and other such debris that end up on the floor. As far as my sister is concerned, that's all it needs to do. I think a LOT of people on here often forget that not everybody gives as much of a shit as we do about cleaning carpets. "Chris, you wouldn't use a Numatic cleaner to vacuum a deep pile carpet AT ALL!!" I wouldn't, no. But that's a personal preference. The fact that Henry and Hetty are the best selling vacuum in the UK obviously shows that a lot of people disagree with you. | ||
| Post# 242918 , Reply# 65 7/30/2013 at 10:17 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Well, not really the grit I was concerned about, it is the fact that you will be working up a sweat grinding that straight suction floor tool into the ground when you can "gayley", easily push an upright over it in seconds and remove the dust, dirt and hairs very quikly.
P.S Ryan, since when did they put deep pile carpets in schools or other commercial environments. | ||
| Post# 242919 , Reply# 66 7/30/2013 at 10:20 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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9kg against 1kg? Um.. not quite.
Alex - there are many commercial establishments that have deep pile carpeting - you just need to feel it with your fingers, not just using your eyes.
And sorry, I wouldn't be breaking out a sweat pushing a vacuum cleaner straight suction tool into a floor against the Hoover Turbopower 2 or 3 - those weigh 8kg to 9kg dependent on the model - the Henry or even Miele's suction tubes Plus the floorhead only weigh in excess of 1kg if you're lucky - and there's something called the air valve which allows you to let out suction air if the movement is too difficult for you. By all means keep going with the Henry vs Turbopower 2/3 if you must. Comparing a cylinder with an upright is foolish anyway! | ||
| Post# 242922 , Reply# 67 7/30/2013 at 10:35 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Who said anything about Turbopower 2/3...You are puting words in my mouth!
Speaking of the Turbopower 3, it ways a ton, much heavier than the Turbopower 2, for whatever reason.
If you are concerned about the weight to push and pull, what about an Oreck? Hoover Turbolite? Hoover Junior? Electrolux 500's? Kirby G seires? | ||
| Post# 242925 , Reply# 68 7/30/2013 at 10:47 (3,922 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Who said anything about Turbopower 2/3 | ||
| Post# 242931 , Reply# 69 7/30/2013 at 11:05 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ditto, see Chris' comment.
As for Kirby uprights - they have been used in schools before and I believe they did well in that area there - when the Numatic vacs came along and being British made, it kind of put an end to the Kirby uprights because as much as they had a LONG CORD and were DURABLE, Numatics offered the same but with cheaper parts long term and were far lighter. Even SEBO's old commercial uprights aren't as much a chore for a wee lady cleaner to push and pull compared to Kirby. Oreck uprights less so unless you buy the red commercial version with a metal fan as it is more durable. But the commercial version has always been more expensive than the plastic fan fitted Oreck XL sold in the UK, and not a lot of cleaning companies use them. They use other Orecks in the form of the SEBO derived BS series with a hose on board. The rest you mention all have shorts cords and aren't designed for commercial use. | ||
| Post# 242934 , Reply# 70 7/30/2013 at 11:19 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 242935 , Reply# 71 7/30/2013 at 11:28 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Um... well.. if you take a wee look after reply 55 you don't refer to anything else other than your Turbopower vacuums -
In reply 55 you try and streamline the same function of Hoover's daft Autosense with Numatic's autosave/2 speed suction button. It is not the same. Then Chris came in with a further opinion about the autosense feature not working properly. In reply 58 you then make a statement that you wouldn't use a Numatic cleaner to vacuum a deep pile carpet.You made the statement, be prepared to face the consequences! So far between that and reply 55 you don't mention anything else other than the Hoover upright, which makes itself the case of the being the model you're trying to compare the Henry to and its apparent "lack of power for a deep pile carpet." | ||
| Post# 242938 , Reply# 72 7/30/2013 at 11:37 (3,922 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 242940 , Reply# 73 7/30/2013 at 11:44 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243132 , Reply# 74 7/31/2013 at 11:57 (3,921 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Autosense doesn't work..... | ||
| Post# 243136 , Reply# 75 7/31/2013 at 13:14 (3,921 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 243137 , Reply# 76 7/31/2013 at 13:25 (3,921 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ive never really had it go off that much... | ||
| Post# 243138 , Reply# 77 7/31/2013 at 13:30 (3,921 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Indeed... | ||
| Post# 243139 , Reply# 78 7/31/2013 at 13:32 (3,921 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 243141 , Reply# 79 7/31/2013 at 13:35 (3,921 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 243146 , Reply# 80 7/31/2013 at 14:50 (3,921 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 243166 , Reply# 81 7/31/2013 at 17:40 (3,920 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243174 , Reply# 82 7/31/2013 at 19:23 (3,920 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243177 , Reply# 83 7/31/2013 at 19:50 (3,920 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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