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Post# 238726   7/3/2013 at 12:40 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        

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Hi guys .i have been after one of these for years and finally i got this one its really dirty but it runs well its a Z64 my granparents bought one of these around 1966 to replace there Z62 that met with an untimely death when my grandad ran over it with the car .It has to be Electrolux at its most basic but the quality is still there its very simple a bag in one end and a motor in the other no filters nothing all plastic tools and wands and a hose that seems thinner than the usual Lux hose it will be getting the usual strip and lube job

Post# 238727 , Reply# 1   7/3/2013 at 12:41 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
the flex

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really dirty flex can you see the bit thats been cleaned?

Post# 238728 , Reply# 2   7/3/2013 at 12:42 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
3

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this is whats under the plastic end cap

Post# 238729 , Reply# 3   7/3/2013 at 12:44 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
motor out

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and fans off pluss lots ov loverly grease forced into the dry bearing

Post# 238730 , Reply# 4   7/3/2013 at 12:46 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
other end

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the brushes are perfect and there are no sparks when its running so i will leave well alone

Post# 238731 , Reply# 5   7/3/2013 at 12:49 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
one of the fans

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theres a lot of dirt stuck to the fan blades you can see where i vave scraped it with a screwdriver they will all be cleaned before reassembly

Post# 238733 , Reply# 6   7/3/2013 at 12:51 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
the empty shell

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ready for a bath

Post# 238736 , Reply# 7   7/3/2013 at 12:55 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
the shell after a scrub and a bath

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i cannot get these marks off i think they are where the rubber flex has been resting against the shell for a long time .i have tried everything but they wont budge the next pic will be the whole thing back together

Post# 238738 , Reply# 8   7/3/2013 at 13:04 (3,921 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Lovely:)

Post# 238742 , Reply# 9   7/3/2013 at 13:55 (3,921 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Looking good - They were made from 1960 - 1965 I think that the one with the plastic wands and triangular brush was the last version, though I may be mistaken. The one I see more often is with the single aluminium wand and round brush.

Post# 238744 , Reply# 10   7/3/2013 at 13:59 (3,921 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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LOL - I meant two aluminium wands and round dusting brush. Looking right at the machine and still wrote it down wrong
Doug


Post# 238759 , Reply# 11   7/3/2013 at 15:33 (3,921 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
all done

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i have never seen one of these in the uk with metal wands or tools just the plastic ones it was Electrolux buget machine as far as i am aware anyway guys its all back together .Has anyone got the user manual would be nice to see it and perhaps download a copy

Post# 238785 , Reply# 12   7/3/2013 at 16:10 (3,921 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
metal wands

The metal wands were fitted only to the earliest version of the 65 in the UK. The plastic wands are what I have seen, indeed I have never seen one with metal wands and tubes, although I know they were built this way. What interests me most about this cleaner here is the carpet tool. I am not sure if it is the earliest design or one of the latest. The tool I remember most is the design used in Europe and Australia. There is one such example in the video here:

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Post# 238886 , Reply# 13   7/4/2013 at 03:22 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Nice find Anthony, I wondered who had snapped this one up.

Its funny how, for years and years there was not a 64 to be seen and in the last year or so there have been seven or eight all cropped up in quick succession.

1960 was a very big year for Electrolux as both the 64 and 65 were introduced in the very early part of the year. However the (much more expensive) 65 was more of an evolution of the previous 30/55/62 models the 64 was a completely new design altogether of their budget range.

I believe that it was produced up until 1967 when it was replaced by the similar 77 model which was in a very attractive pale blue/white colour combo. The main difference between the 64 and 77 was the forward leaning handle and the tools which had the first appearance of the long hose handle with no plastic covering and the first appearance of what was later to be the "budget" flip over combo carpet/floor nozzle. The 77 also had the butterfly dusting/upholstery nozzle which was now universal across the range.

A few weeks Markus79 showed us an example of what might have been a crossover model (model 68 from memory) which was like the 64 shown above but with the forward leaning handle - this model was not sold here. It is interesting to compare superficially similar Electrolux models from different European countries to note the detail differences between them.

I this case the 68 had paper bags but (from memory) none of the Lux BOL cleaners up to the model 96 in the UK were supplied with a facility for paper bags nor was there mention of them in the instruction manual.


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Post# 238887 , Reply# 14   7/4/2013 at 03:35 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Anyhow, as has been noted above in the thread, the model was introduced with metal hose handle and wands, with metal couplings to the otherwise identical carpet and floor nozzles.

I would have said this was the only example of this particular type of carpet nozzle I have seen except that it cropped up a few weeks ago in Tommy Milan's thread about the Lux 53, another model we did not have here.

The tools that Benny mentioned above were only seen here (in green) on the Lux 62 and (in white) in the Trident models derived from the Electrolux 80. It is another example of the differences in territories that this style of nozzle appears to have been the only sort used in Australia - at home I have a picture of them in pink along with a 65 and have seen other models (youtube) from there which have also used these styles of tools.

However the floor nozzle was not the 62 style but harks back to that seen on late production 55 models and I would presume on the 60 (the predecessor BOL Lux model).


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Post# 238888 , Reply# 15   7/4/2013 at 03:36 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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I have no idea when the plastic tools came in although based on the brochure which follows it must be fairly early on as the price is listed at 19 guineas - a look back at Which reports from 1960 & 1963 might give an indication but I THINK the 1960 price was not far off 19 guineas. As a point of comparison the 65 at that time would have been a shade off £30 - that was a big difference in price in those days.

Post# 238889 , Reply# 16   7/4/2013 at 03:37 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Note the dusting nozzle has also changed

Post# 238890 , Reply# 17   7/4/2013 at 03:38 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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I believe it is not mandatory to wear white stillies while using this cleaner

Post# 238891 , Reply# 18   7/4/2013 at 03:40 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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You would almost think the floor nozzle had a metal coupling in this picture, although the wands are plastic - this may have been the first use of plastic for nozzles and wands in the UK

Post# 238892 , Reply# 19   7/4/2013 at 03:40 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Post# 238893 , Reply# 20   7/4/2013 at 03:42 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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By the way, the filter pad went behind the cloth bag rather than externally on the back of the cleaner

Post# 238894 , Reply# 21   7/4/2013 at 03:44 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Now, did someone mention a manual? This is from 1960 and was actually the manual supplied with Doug's (Collector2) 64.

Note the use of the name Electrux, why they did this, I have no idea but they did it on all their BOL cleaners up to model 96


Post# 238896 , Reply# 22   7/4/2013 at 03:46 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux64

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There are those white stillies again!

Post# 238897 , Reply# 23   7/4/2013 at 03:48 (3,921 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Womens Lib

There would be a few raised eyebrows today, at least in the UK, as to the way women are refereed to in these booklets.

Post# 238898 , Reply# 24   7/4/2013 at 03:51 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Based on Doug's cleaner, it appears that Electrolux operated on the opposite manner to Hoover.

Hoover supplied their cleaners (up until 1961) with a colour co-ordinated two pin plug to which a bayonet adaptor could be attached. Apparently Electrolux supplied their cleaners with a bayonet plug to which a two pin adaptor could be attached. The pins on this adaptor could swivel slightly to accommodate different plug sizes


Post# 238899 , Reply# 25   7/4/2013 at 03:52 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Instructions for the air filter and no paper bags

Post# 238901 , Reply# 26   7/4/2013 at 03:53 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Post# 238902 , Reply# 27   7/4/2013 at 03:56 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Carpet and floor nozzles - sorry this is out of sequence, it should have been before dusting & upholstry

Post# 238904 , Reply# 28   7/4/2013 at 04:00 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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These pictures of the cleaner hung up with hose attached, which are in every Lux manual for 20 years, must be responsible for more damaged hoses than anything else. Note this has the older style of crevice tool although the newer rigid plastic version, which Anthony's has, was already being produced for the Lux 65

Post# 238906 , Reply# 29   7/4/2013 at 04:04 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Anthony

I seem to have hi-jacked your thread somewhat for which I apologise. You have done a lovely job cleaning up this 64 and its great to see that it has gone to a home where it will be appreciated. I have a very soft spot for this model, completely BOL and yet there is a certain simplicity about it that I rather like. By the way, it was voted Good Value by Which in 1960, the 65 getting best buy although as I said, the 65 was a LOT more expensive

Al


Post# 238907 , Reply# 30   7/4/2013 at 04:15 (3,921 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Lux 64

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Just on a final note, the one weakness I find on this cleaner, is that the sealing grommet on the hose seems to be very prone to perishing, almost like melting and deforming. I have not noticed this so much with the later Lux models (when the "three peg" coupling became universal) but I have seen this problem with several 64s which have passed through my hands

Al


Post# 238917 , Reply# 31   7/4/2013 at 09:30 (3,920 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Just to throw in a bit of information here is a picture of my 64 with the aluminium wands and round brush. (Note the swivel on the rug nozzle is metal on this version too)

Doug


Post# 238950 , Reply# 32   7/4/2013 at 14:46 (3,920 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
thanks everyone

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for all that info and thanks to you Vacbear for the manual very interesting to see it with metal wands although i have repaired countless 64s over the years customers would usually just bring the main unit into the shop for repair so i would rarely see the tools incidentaly your right about the rubber seal on the hose end it is slowly disintegrating[sure i have spelt that wrong].Its interesting to see what it cost when it was new have you ever compared the suction of the 65 to the 64 theres hardly any diffrence considering one is 375 watts and the other 450.The filter behind the bag had been removed but was in the box it will be refitted when its had a wash by i love the way these machines purr when running and the way they gradually come to a stop when switched off and as for the shoes i was talking to my sister recently neither of us can ever remember our mum wearing anything else but stilletos a nice frock huge hair and lots of lippy while doing her housework usually because she would go straight off to work afterwards cheers guys

Post# 238965 , Reply# 33   7/4/2013 at 17:12 (3,920 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I love threads like these. Nice lux, I've still yet to find the red one my gran had!

Post# 238967 , Reply# 34   7/4/2013 at 17:30 (3,920 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
The switch

In all my years, never do I recall seeing another switch arrangement quite as complicated as that of the 64. When one considers that the 65 and cleaners before it all had a press-button switch fitted directly to the top of the cleaner, I fail to see why the 64 could not have the same. I am also at a loss as to why the 64 and 65 are so physically different in shape. Producing all those different parts for both cleaners would not have be at all cost effective. The only parts which were the same were the motor, cord socket, and dustbag. I think a 65 cleaner with lower wattage and plastic tools would have been just as good as the 64 as we know it. They could even have used the same carry handle from the 64 too if a different look was the name of the game.

Post# 238972 , Reply# 35   7/4/2013 at 18:51 (3,920 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
the switch

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maybe the rocker switch was an attempt at making the back end slimmer also the bag is shorter than that of the 65 .Something else we all easily forget is that here in the UK most appliances when new had no plugs fitted you had to get a plug fitted before you could use it [no plug and play in those days] when my grandma had her z62 and later 63 the only 13 amp socket in the house was in the kitchen on the large switch arangement for the electric cooker when she wanted to use it upstairs she had an adaptor that my grandad made it was a short bit of flex about a foot long one end had a 13 amp plug the other had a bayonet light socket when in use upstairs the short extension was unplugged and the cleaner was plugged into the light socket in the bathroom she used that on because she could stand on the side of the bath to plug in when back downstairs simply put the adaptation back on and hey presto a 13 amp plug again when the cleaner was not in use it was carefully put back in its box just inside the front door till the next time it was needed as a small boy whenever i went round there i would always have a look in the box as i entered the house [i suppose the spark was alive even then all those years ago


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