Bagged upright vacuums (uk)

�I was a fan of Hoover's Turbopower 2 and 3 series in the 1990s and kept them until 2005 roughly. When my parents borrowed my uncle's Sebo X1 Automatic, I was smitten forever. It was like an updated, better engineered version of the TP2 in my opinion.
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Largely though, the UK market isn't that fresh on bagged uprights as a lot of brands who used to make them have either fallen by the wayside or just concentrate on the bagless market now to get a piece of the action. The following bagged uprights are available from a lot of franchises, online and offline sellers:
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1) Miele S7 range - follows feature pattern with most of their current cylinder vacs - variable suction control, brush roll on/off function, large dust bag capacity, easy stretch hose and wand on the rear and has a swivel head. LED bag indicator and others. However the prices for the S7 are very high now and the vacuum can be physically too big for some to contend with (me especially). It does have a long cord though and made for larger homes. One other aspect I don't like about this vac is that if a clog occurs at the bottom hose, it has to be removed by two screws.

2) SEBO X series -A commercial based design for domestic use - auto sensor head, large dust bag capacity, electronic panel with 4 LEDs to indicate brush roll down/up, bag full or clog and brush roll warning, brush roll shut off when something gets clogged - however it is an old design and the brush roll doesn't have a manual switch off function. It is however far better than the Miele S7 as it doesn't have the elaborate swivel and is faster to clean UNLESS you have thick pile carpeting. Also has a long cord. Over the more elaborate Miele S7, the SEBO is a far easier machine to fix and has a brush roller that can be taken out to clean as opposed to the Miele's restrictive design. SEBO's X1, X2 are older models usually going for �70 to �100 on auction sites. The successor models are the X1.1, X4 and X5 with a bigger brush roll foot. There are two choices of brush roll as well for the home owner - Miele does not offer that option, either.

3) SEBO FELIX series - the "lower" upright vacuum with more manual operated features - uses a power nozzle head derived from their cylinder vacuums with a brush roll on/off for hard floors and a 4 height adjuster dial. Piston valve bag indicator. Great second upright to the X series though this model has a few problems with long pile carpeting that SEBO may address in the future. Long cord, 3.5 litre dust capacity, good filter system. Can convert to a large hand held body vacuum a la Vorwerk but too bulky and big in my opinion. Swivels around corners though, same brush roll option to remove for cleaning and switches off if there's a clog on the brush roller. Fairly easy to use - it isn't a lightweight upright like Oreck though and even after all these years it still surprises me how some owners can't fathom how to work it - it is very simple to operate.

Generally SEBO ownership means bags and filters are better value at cost - you get 7 bags for the price of Miele's 4 in general. 10 packs are also available dependent on model and can last up to a year and a half due to different bag capacities.

4) Hoover PUREPOWER uprights - the "middle range" priced upright vacuums, as you probably know designed to replace the TP2, 3 series. Not a good machine in my view - great suction and good performance on carpet clean up but a chore to push, poor plastics, loud motors, too much hot air, liable to break pedal releases to unlock the handle/body and average 6 to 7 metre cord length. Fails to lie flat due to raised front hose at the front, copious 4.4 metre hose at the rear that drags and droops, poor plastic filter door at the rear,�continuous�brush roll doesn't switch off for hard floors. Generally though a replacement, they are no way better built than the TP2's and 3's and were designed to be lighter (but really aren't that much!) with higher power. Current models no longer have the handy LED bag indicator either and no piston valves have been added as a compromise.

5) Electrolux Powerlite Uprights - white models, single drive belt driven, injection art plastic moulding feel, very cheaply built, no dust bag indicator, but they do the job intended as bagged uprights. Good handle, easy to use and reliable though the hose at the back is cheap, non-ribbed (ribbed to the eye but lacks anything) and liable to kink all the time. Not good with the hose, but as a cheap all rounder for carpet care, much better than the Hoover Purepower though to push and pull.

6) Panasonic current white and black uprights - high power, auto adjustment, simple to use and fairly well made. However they can be noisy with lots of hot air generated and the dust bag capacity is large. �However the hose isn't that well protected at the rear and it uses two drive belts. The hose at the back is short, the tools don't offer much versatility since the push on oval upholstery brush has a permanent flat down position , even when it can be turned around on the hose or the extension tube, its natural oval shape limits versatility.

7) 2013 model - Panasonic "red" optiflow MC-UG322. I bought one earlier this year - it is easy to push but has a 4 litre bag capacity, 6/7 metre cord length, auto adjustment head and reliable. Great suction power though no bag indicator and no brush roll on/off function but does have a wooden brush roll and a SINGLE drive belt. The hose on the back has been improved but the tools still remain with the daft oval dusting brush. Only problem of late I'm having with this upright is that the extension tube to the dust channel at the back has a habit of slipping out and requires to be turned to "screw and lock" it in. Average to push since it has that hinge/ratio thing going on that a lot of Panasonic uprights have due to the auto head adjustment on carpets and doesn't always maintain�continuous�carpet contact because of it.
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8) Other bagged uprights - Argos Value - the cheap of the cheap if they are still available but don't do a bad job and you have to assemble the whole thing. ORECK dirty fan uprights are also available to buy and they're ok but liable to be expensive to run, maintain and buy in the UK if dealing direct with the company.

9) Vax VCU-02 is a similar ORECK rival - I bought one very recently and its a fantastic "carpet" upright only as it lacks a hose and other tools. It isn't very well made though but it has a massive dust bag capacity, soft bag and no bag indicator naturally. Does have a commercial long power cord, auto adjusting head and side brushes.
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There are others of course like Dirt Devil UK's bagged upright and a model by Efbe-Schott (see other thread) but they aren't as available to buy off a lot of high street franchises. I'm sure I have forgotten a brand though - well, of course there is always Kirby, the most expensive brand of them all in the UK. They're pretty excellent at what they do, but I seldom see them in a lot of homes as they are brutally too big for most UK homes, though generally last a life time due to their metal build and components. Kirby are strangely not available to buy in any department store in the UK and neither are Vorwerk or Karcher's line up of bagged uprights unless you got to a specialist store.
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Post# 231427 5/6/2013 at 05:44 (4,000 days old) by vacuummorgan (Chagford Devon England )
Checkrate/Likes When or is there any good bagged upright vacuums in the uk

Post# 231428 , Reply# 1 5/6/2013 at 06:45 (4,000 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)
Checkrate/Likes Good bagged uprights currently: Kirby sentria, hoover pure power, sebos and voreworks, and a few panasonics Past: all kirbys, hoover turbopower/turbomaster etc models &vintsge hoover uprights, and Electrolux uprights

Post# 231432 , Reply# 2 5/6/2013 at 06:57 (4,000 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes Sebo, Miele s7's, Numatic's and Panasonic bagged uprights are all highly recomended. I would go near a new Purepower if you paid me. Kirby's are FAR too overpriced, but you can often pick em up on eBay cheaper

Post# 231436 , Reply# 3 5/6/2013 at 08:30 (4,000 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)
Checkrate/Likes The Miele S7 Uprights are excellent deep carpet cleaners with good filtration and good noise suppression. Nice on-board tools and a brush-roll on/off feature to clean bare floors. Very long cable flex as well (39 feet)!

Post# 231442 , Reply# 4 5/6/2013 at 09:51 (4,000 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes �I was a fan of Hoover's Turbopower 2 and 3 series in the 1990s and kept them until 2005 roughly. When my parents borrowed my uncle's Sebo X1 Automatic, I was smitten forever. It was like an updated, better engineered version of the TP2 in my opinion. � Largely though, the UK market isn't that fresh on bagged uprights as a lot of brands who used to make them have either fallen by the wayside or just concentrate on the bagless market now to get a piece of the action. The following bagged uprights are available from a lot of franchises, online and offline sellers: � 1) Miele S7 range - follows feature pattern with most of their current cylinder vacs - variable suction control, brush roll on/off function, large dust bag capacity, easy stretch hose and wand on the rear and has a swivel head. LED bag indicator and others. However the prices for the S7 are very high now and the vacuum can be physically too big for some to contend with (me especially). It does have a long cord though and made for larger homes. One other aspect I don't like about this vac is that if a clog occurs at the bottom hose, it has to be removed by two screws. 2) SEBO X series -A commercial based design for domestic use - auto sensor head, large dust bag capacity, electronic panel with 4 LEDs to indicate brush roll down/up, bag full or clog and brush roll warning, brush roll shut off when something gets clogged - however it is an old design and the brush roll doesn't have a manual switch off function. It is however far better than the Miele S7 as it doesn't have the elaborate swivel and is faster to clean UNLESS you have thick pile carpeting. Also has a long cord. Over the more elaborate Miele S7, the SEBO is a far easier machine to fix and has a brush roller that can be taken out to clean as opposed to the Miele's restrictive design. SEBO's X1, X2 are older models usually going for �70 to �100 on auction sites. The successor models are the X1.1, X4 and X5 with a bigger brush roll foot. There are two choices of brush roll as well for the home owner - Miele does not offer that option, either. 3) SEBO FELIX series - the "lower" upright vacuum with more manual operated features - uses a power nozzle head derived from their cylinder vacuums with a brush roll on/off for hard floors and a 4 height adjuster dial. Piston valve bag indicator. Great second upright to the X series though this model has a few problems with long pile carpeting that SEBO may address in the future. Long cord, 3.5 litre dust capacity, good filter system. Can convert to a large hand held body vacuum a la Vorwerk but too bulky and big in my opinion. Swivels around corners though, same brush roll option to remove for cleaning and switches off if there's a clog on the brush roller. Fairly easy to use - it isn't a lightweight upright like Oreck though and even after all these years it still surprises me how some owners can't fathom how to work it - it is very simple to operate. Generally SEBO ownership means bags and filters are better value at cost - you get 7 bags for the price of Miele's 4 in general. 10 packs are also available dependent on model and can last up to a year and a half due to different bag capacities. 4) Hoover PUREPOWER uprights - the "middle range" priced upright vacuums, as you probably know designed to replace the TP2, 3 series. Not a good machine in my view - great suction and good performance on carpet clean up but a chore to push, poor plastics, loud motors, too much hot air, liable to break pedal releases to unlock the handle/body and average 6 to 7 metre cord length. Fails to lie flat due to raised front hose at the front, copious 4.4 metre hose at the rear that drags and droops, poor plastic filter door at the rear,�continuous�brush roll doesn't switch off for hard floors. Generally though a replacement, they are no way better built than the TP2's and 3's and were designed to be lighter (but really aren't that much!) with higher power. Current models no longer have the handy LED bag indicator either and no piston valves have been added as a compromise. 5) Electrolux Powerlite Uprights - white models, single drive belt driven, injection art plastic moulding feel, very cheaply built, no dust bag indicator, but they do the job intended as bagged uprights. Good handle, easy to use and reliable though the hose at the back is cheap, non-ribbed (ribbed to the eye but lacks anything) and liable to kink all the time. Not good with the hose, but as a cheap all rounder for carpet care, much better than the Hoover Purepower though to push and pull. 6) Panasonic current white and black uprights - high power, auto adjustment, simple to use and fairly well made. However they can be noisy with lots of hot air generated and the dust bag capacity is large. �However the hose isn't that well protected at the rear and it uses two drive belts. The hose at the back is short, the tools don't offer much versatility since the push on oval upholstery brush has a permanent flat down position , even when it can be turned around on the hose or the extension tube, its natural oval shape limits versatility. 7) 2013 model - Panasonic "red" optiflow MC-UG322. I bought one earlier this year - it is easy to push but has a 4 litre bag capacity, 6/7 metre cord length, auto adjustment head and reliable. Great suction power though no bag indicator and no brush roll on/off function but does have a wooden brush roll and a SINGLE drive belt. The hose on the back has been improved but the tools still remain with the daft oval dusting brush. Only problem of late I'm having with this upright is that the extension tube to the dust channel at the back has a habit of slipping out and requires to be turned to "screw and lock" it in. Average to push since it has that hinge/ratio thing going on that a lot of Panasonic uprights have due to the auto head adjustment on carpets and doesn't always maintain�continuous�carpet contact because of it. � 8) Other bagged uprights - Argos Value - the cheap of the cheap if they are still available but don't do a bad job and you have to assemble the whole thing. ORECK dirty fan uprights are also available to buy and they're ok but liable to be expensive to run, maintain and buy in the UK if dealing direct with the company. 9) Vax VCU-02 is a similar ORECK rival - I bought one very recently and its a fantastic "carpet" upright only as it lacks a hose and other tools. It isn't very well made though but it has a massive dust bag capacity, soft bag and no bag indicator naturally. Does have a commercial long power cord, auto adjusting head and side brushes. � There are others of course like Dirt Devil UK's bagged upright and a model by Efbe-Schott (see other thread) but they aren't as available to buy off a lot of high street franchises. I'm sure I have forgotten a brand though - well, of course there is always Kirby, the most expensive brand of them all in the UK. They're pretty excellent at what they do, but I seldom see them in a lot of homes as they are brutally too big for most UK homes, though generally last a life time due to their metal build and components. Kirby are strangely not available to buy in any department store in the UK and neither are Vorwerk or Karcher's line up of bagged uprights unless you got to a specialist store. � � � � �

Post# 231469 , Reply# 5 5/6/2013 at 12:26 (4,000 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()
Checkrate/Likes Argos don't produce the Value Bagged Upright anymore - it's not in the catalogue or online, only in their eBay shop

Post# 231477 , Reply# 6 5/6/2013 at 13:15 (4,000 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes The Hoover Purepowers were not bad at all, the original ones were not, anyway. I have to disagree with Sebofan, the early Purepower models were no louder than a Turbopower 2...They just had a higher pitch but it was NOT a screamer! The early models still used the activator and the suction was VERY strong. I still think that the Turbopower 2/3/1000's are MUCH better in performance and design. I believe that Turbopower 2/3/1000 were the last GOOD upright that Hoover made.

Post# 231488 , Reply# 7 5/6/2013 at 14:39 (4,000 days old) by vacuummorgan (Chagford Devon England )
Checkrate/Likes *@dysondestjil* I know kirbys are good I have a g4 But in the uk there a really no good bagged uprights

Post# 231491 , Reply# 8 5/6/2013 at 14:52 (4,000 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)
Checkrate/Likes Did anyone see Roger's video of the Nilfisk GU305 on his youtube channel that is bagged and an upright and Roger seems to rate it? ( don't shoot the messenger if its no good, I don't like uprights and prefer bagless lol)

Post# 232006 , Reply# 17 5/10/2013 at 03:33 (3,997 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes *I don't know what to say apart from a HUGE sigh!* Really, Alex? That's funny, because I think Ryan is so spot on, I could kiss him :P

Post# 232013 , Reply# 18 5/10/2013 at 06:25 (3,996 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes *�I think Ryan is so spot on, I could kiss him :P�* But I don't understand...the Turbopower 2 is nothing like a Sebo Xseries. :S and for what it is worth give me a Turbopower 2, it is quieter and doesn't have the silly computer controlled height adjustment which in my opinion is stupid and doesn't work. I refuse to replace my "bumpy" carpet just so my vacuum will clean it properly....just ridiculous. This post was last edited 05/10/2013 at 09:00

Post# 232058 , Reply# 21 5/10/2013 at 13:54 (3,996 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )
Checkrate/Likes The smooth, soft Light of Turbopower 2 are packed with 800 watts of unrivalled carpet cleaning power, it sets new standards in safety and all major plastic components are identification stamped for future recycling. Designed for ease of use, Turbopower 2 has an instant flex release, easy access on-board tools and a triple stretch hose which is simple to disconnect for cleaning. It has a bag check indicator, easy access to the bag, soft touch door release and carefully balanced carrying handles front and back. Turbopower 2 has four height settings to cope with every type of flooring and a soft touch foot control for selecting tools use and storage, low profile or it's normal operating position. Thanks to it's new airflow system, Turbopower 2 is 50% quieter and it's compact design and narrow cleaning path make it highly manoeuvrable, even in the tightest spaces. It's five level filtration system includes an electrostatic microfilter to trap very fine dust particles and a unique carbon filter to reduce odours, the air expelled from the Turbopower 2 is cleaner making all models ideal for allergy or asthma suffers. The unique Hoover activator beats and sweeps your carpet, lifting the pile and releasing embedded grit and the safety edge to edge cleaning brushes are now 35% longer cleaning closer than ever before. With the powerful new dual fan motor, increasing suction by 180% Turbopower2's on-board tools are almost three times more powerful than previous models for even better performance, whatever the job. Turbopower 2 makes light work of stairs, shelves, curtains and upholstery. The revolutionary Autosense system monitors the level of dirt in your carpet and automatically adjusts the power, grit particles strike a tiny sensor and an electronic brain boosts power where it's needed, and then returns Turbopower 2 to it's economy setting, saving energy. Also unique to Hoover is Permabag System 2 which means no more bags to buy, as easy to fit and remove as a paper bag it empties straight into the bin and is fully washable, made of new Permalon a porous plastic fabric, Permabag System 2 is tough and durable and meets the stringent filtration standards of Turbopower 2.

Post# 232059 , Reply# 22 5/10/2013 at 14:22 (3,996 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)
Checkrate/Likes *Ooooh...* I'm sold! Where can I buy one? (LOL)

Post# 231492 , Reply# 9 5/6/2013 at 14:54 (4,000 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)
Checkrate/Likes Yeah dan I saw that

Post# 231493 , Reply# 10 5/6/2013 at 14:57 (4,000 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *But in the uk there a really no good bagged uprights* Have you actually read any of this thread? Sebo, Miele, Panasonic and (to a lesser extent) Hoover.

Post# 231495 , Reply# 11 5/6/2013 at 15:06 (4,000 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes Sebo X1.1 - www.go-electrical.co.uk/sebo-x-se... Sebo Felix Vogue - www.go-electrical.co.uk/sebo-feli... Miele S7210 - www.go-electrical.co.uk/index.php... Panasonic MC-UG522 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Panasonic-MCUG... Hoover Purepower - www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003HC8HFS/QU...

Post# 231519 , Reply# 12 5/6/2013 at 19:04 (4,000 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *There are really no good uprights in the UK?* Based on what info, vacuumorgan, the business your parents owned or your own collection? How can you jump to such conclusions since you only appear to have Kirby uprights, some Dysons and a couple of old Hoover models? Hi-lo, just because a vacuum isn't sold any more from a franchise shop doesn't mean it is put out to pasture just yet! Hoover's Slalom is a case in point - it is slowly trickling away from the online catalogues and high street shops and going online. Im sure the Argos Value bagged upright will be back some time, if not under Argos Value but another cheap brand name, Russell Hobbs or Bush.

Post# 231557 , Reply# 13 5/7/2013 at 00:50 (4,000 days old) by vacuummorgan (Chagford Devon England )
Checkrate/Likes . I know there are some good older bagged uprights like the hoover turbopower and the other Old hoovers. But the new purepowers are rubbish. What I am looking for is a good bagged uprights In the uk I know that sebo and Miele s7 are good vacuums

Post# 231559 , Reply# 14 5/7/2013 at 01:44 (4,000 days old) by vacuummorgan (Chagford Devon England )
Checkrate/Likes I know the older vacuums are very good But in the UK there are only a few good upright bagged in the UK but apart from Sebo Miele and Kirby No good bagged vacuums in the UK (I'm not talking about vintage vacuums I'm talking about modern vacuums)

Post# 231597 , Reply# 15 5/7/2013 at 03:53 (4,000 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *apart from Sebo Miele and Kirby* So you've gone from saying "there are no good bagged uprights in the UK" to saying "there are no good bagged uprights in the UK, apart from Sebo, Miele and Kirby"? Therefore there are good bagged uprights in the UK.

Post# 231935 , Reply# 16 5/9/2013 at 15:10 (3,997 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes Sebo X1 Automatic, I was smitten forever. It was like an updated, better engineered version of the TP2. I don't know what to say apart from a HUGE sigh!

Post# 232039 , Reply# 19 5/10/2013 at 10:48 (3,996 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes Well for a fact the 850 watt to 1000 watt Sebo X1 is quieter than any Hoover Turbopower 2 will ever be. 61 decibels compared to Hoover's quiet 72dbl claim for the TP2? Sorry I agree with SEBO there and the TP2 with auto sense gets even louder when it goes to the highest mode. Not one I'd choose to vacuum late at night for fear of waking everyone up. As for the "silly" computer control, well it seems to find favour with a lot of professionals - note I don't say vacuum cleaner collectors because there's a band that either love or loathe the system and you can pick up the G2/Essential G1 UK market models with the manual height control that offers more than 4 height settings of the TP2. Also because of the "silly" computer control system, it is effortless to push compared to the "bag of tatties" on the TP2. The Hoover hose is also similar but the SEBO wins back for being far more instant, easier to remove clogs and has a brush roller that comes out at the touch of a button...plus a long life belt - far easier to rely on than having to fish out the tool box when the belt on the TP2 goes. Oh I dare say I could go on - the SEBO can clean hard floors without damage as it lacks beaters or activators. There's also a long cord and the thermal cut out comes back on due to those "silly electronics" compared to the normal 40 or more minute "waiting time" should your Hoover vacuum burn out/thermal trip.

Post# 232057 , Reply# 20 5/10/2013 at 13:42 (3,996 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes Since we are on this rant, I will give my view, first of all this is a silly argument to begin with as the Sebo Xseries is a commercial desined machine and the Turbopower 2 is a domestic designed machine, the Sebo may obviously be cheaper and quicker to maintain but it has to be to stand a chance in the competitive, commercial market which you have to remember, Sebofan. I can not speak for the older Sebos but I just tried my mothers X4 against my Turbopower 2 Autosense and the noise level of the Sebo is about the same as the Hoover on the Turbo/boost/highest setting but it was DRAMATICALLY quieter on the low setting. I do prefer the noise of the Turbopower 2, it purs very nicely along the carpet. The Sebo Xseries and Turbopower 2 both have ABS construction but the Turbopower 2 in my opinion has better tools and it doesn't fall over as easily when using them, I think the Turbopower 2 cleans better because it has a much better brushroll, the brushroll in the Sebo is good but it is no Activator. The Sebo does have a longer 10 meter cord and easier access to clogs, etc but again we have to remember it is designed for a commercial setting. Needless to say the Turbopower 1000 does have an 8 meter cord, over the Turbopower 2 6 meter cord.

Post# 232066 , Reply# 23 5/10/2013 at 15:06 (3,996 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes *Not Quite, Alex, sorry.* Some of you may forget I added brochure photos and scans of Hoover's brochures on here.. So instead of using the marketing speak, lets put the fantasy into reality. The Turbopower 2 is no longer made and it was heavier - we've all commented in the past on that when compared to the lighter Purepower - and I miss the TP2 and 3 series BECAUSE the Purepower has never been as successful as the heavier precursor vacuum. But therein, you trade up on lighter plastics, higher motor power AND the addition of optional HEPA filtration. The Sebo X1 Automatic is no longer sold "NEW' because it was replaced by the X1.1 and X4, with a bigger X5 floor head model. X1.1 etc still use similar components and design led by the original X1. However I have had three Turbopower models - a U2464, the yellow "special edition" 900 watt TP2, and the U212 red TP3. Despite the various differences in "power," I found marginal improvement with the 1000 watts compared to the base level 800 TP2. However, lets consider the facts! 1) Neither TP2, or 3 can get under a flat/low lying furniture successfully because if you look at the front of the floor head when laid flat, it doesn't actually touch the carpet. Not much use then to get the dust under your bed at the top - the SEBO X can lay flat with the brush roll hitting the carpet at all levels. 2) The TP2 hose was inclined to clog - the bigger diameter hose on the TP3 eradicates that design fault - this has also been discussed on here with previous threads. The SEBO hose on the other hand is bigger than that of Hoover anyway despite the added extra diameter on the TP3. 3) The Permabag option was a joke. It wasn't properly engineered and so far as many have found on here, the system is liable to leak dust. So much for Hoover's so called 5 layer filtration system- what help was there for allergy sufferers then? 4) The SEBO X series has a hospital graded filter as standard and later added a proper charcoal added filter for pet owners - HOOVER didn't start doing HEPA filters for their uprights proper until the Purepower came along. Personally I found that the 5 layer system was good but when it came to pet hair, it was inclined to become stale and stinky after a while. 5) Increasing "suction by 180%" when taking previous models into consideration isn't a wonder when TP2 and 3s were all clean fan compared to the lower 575 watt (and even lower) dirty fan Turbopower uprights that either depended on being an upright alone or had to use the pan converter fitted at the front of the floor head with optional tools. 6) The SEBO X1 is NOT a commercial upright Alex - it was designed FROM SEBO's commercial uprights FOR the domestic market. You can find that information if you look at the SEBO profile document available on their German website. As for finding that the X4 is noisier - no wonder, it has a 1300 watt motor compared to the TP you have. Now, compare it to an X1 Automatic original and you may find the Hoover is louder as I have done.

Post# 232069 , Reply# 24 5/10/2013 at 15:45 (3,996 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Sebofan...I have absolutely no idea what you are on about...* Here is the Turbopower 1000 in it's low furniture position, not touching the carpet...Is it?!

Post# 232070 , Reply# 25 5/10/2013 at 15:50 (3,996 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes Can you get that under a bed then? Or does the hinge get in the way?

Post# 232071 , Reply# 26 5/10/2013 at 15:55 (3,996 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes hinge?

Post# 232075 , Reply# 27 5/10/2013 at 16:04 (3,996 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes Yes, the central hinge between the floor head and the bottom bin, seen clearly by the concave at the side.

Post# 232082 , Reply# 28 5/10/2013 at 16:13 (3,996 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)
Checkrate/Likes I have used it to clean under my sisters bed that is not much higher than the Turbopower 2's body and it did just fine, of course the Sebo will, it is as thin as a piece of paper. I have found the performance of the Sebo to be no better than the Turbopower 2 despite the stronger suction on the Sebo, no it doesn't clean hard floors well but neither does the Sebo really, fine dust yes as it has that squeegee to stop "spit back" but bigger particles, no, it just pushes the stuff around which means you would have to clean the mess up with the hose which would be near impossible with the Turbopower 2 as it's hose is no where near as convenient...

Post# 232084 , Reply# 29 5/10/2013 at 16:22 (3,996 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)
Checkrate/Likes Don't get me wrong, the SEBO isn't uber perfect - yes it does fall over if the hose is pulled roughly - but then I think that's a problem with most uprights - I prefer the wand at the top anyway -so much faster and less bending generally. However, I felt that after ownership of many years with the Hoover hard box uprights, my mind moved on and much prefer the soft bag uprights as they are classically looking to the eye, have oodles of style and apart from the Junior U1104 (another favourite of mine) the metal bodied ones last a lot longer. I also found that whilst I had trouble getting the TP's under the bed for the floor cleaning, the Junior with its soft bag managed it - but as you know it lacks the extra built in filter and is far more basic and thinner. After years of owning a lot of uprights, I still have a soft spot for the quieter more basic X1 Automatic as I do for Hoover's TP2 and 3s and the classic ones before that. The SEBO just does what it says on the tin and unlike a lot of brands, the claims from Sebo match my own findings. Id rather have an upright that go "to all areas" in the home when required and its good to see that SEBO still sell the X1 through the newer models.