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Post# 226018   4/1/2013 at 18:55 (4,040 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        

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Hi whirlpolf. Thanks for the comments. Selling Kirby's was job I loved, glad to know it hasn't changed. Please share whatever stories you want on this thread.

As for the demo, I'm not going into the objections, those are for another thread, in this case John will open his wallet as soon as I show him the price, because they are indeed dazzled.

Alex Taber.




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Post# 226022 , Reply# 1   4/1/2013 at 19:21 (4,040 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Feedback.

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I'm having the time of my life on that thread. When I was in most homes I loved every second of it. If you were a salesman even if it wasn't for Kirby, feel free to share.

Thanks,
Alex Taber.


Post# 226028 , Reply# 2   4/1/2013 at 20:34 (4,040 days old) by cc (louisiana)        

I am enjoying reading your account of the Kirby demo. I have early memories of watching Electrolux Demo's at our house when I was young. I do not think Kirby had a strong presence in our area. But I was fascinated with the Electrolux then, and have been ever since. I bet it was a fun and interesting job. Keep telling your story.

Post# 226063 , Reply# 3   4/2/2013 at 03:49 (4,039 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

My friend had a Kirby demo a few years ago. He had previously had a new vacuum every year for the past 5 years, and he wanted something that will last ages, the Kirby demo-er said that the chances are his Kirby will still be working in 30 years time, and he was hooked!
The thing that impressed him most is when the Kirby was lifting all the dust from underneath the carpet! His old vacuum could never do that!
Then it came down to the price. £1,800, with the shampoo system, excluding the handi-butler. He said that he would be willing to do a trade-in, any working vacuum he had. He gave the Kirby salesman a £12 bagged canister vacuum he found in the shed!
In the end, his wife persuaded him to take the plunge and buy it.

Two years later, he regrets his purchase! His wife is having none if it, she loves it, she loves the power drive feature!
He has gone back to his old vax vacuum he had before the Kirby, I said he should as he sucks up bricks and rubble!!! I just told him he shouldn't use the Kirby for rubble as its dirty fan, also why would you want to spend lots if money on a vacuum only to wreck it by vAcuuming bricks??
I suppose he appreciates the shampoo system. He once put too much shampoo in it and it flooded his house with foam!!!!
George


Post# 226071 , Reply# 4   4/2/2013 at 07:05 (4,039 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi tolivac.

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I've heard the 'how to build a birdhouse' as part of other demo's, but it was not used in mine. As I'm going with how I conducted the demo, I didn't use it.

Alex Taber.


Post# 226223 , Reply# 5   4/3/2013 at 03:59 (4,038 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Mattress demo-Seems like ALL of the DTD vacuum salespeople use this-esp on stubborn customers.Many salespeople don't like to do the matteress test becuase it is disgusting.While me and another guy were selling TriStars-we had the black pads and did a few matteress demos-yes the test does work-esp on stubborn prospects.Out of one matteress-the stuff on the black dust pad was MOVING----Dust Mites!The sale was closed.At some of those Kirby plac es they had a "cutaway" section of matterress-so you could SEE the Kirby pulling stuff out of it.Guess you could show it with other vacs,too.Went to a sales training on Filter Queens-they to would do matteress demos.Filter Queen had a dirt meter device like the Kirby.You put it between the canister and the attachment hose.Have one.Caligula--Your vacuum demos sound GOOD!-There is some good training right here in case someone has to try selling vacuums.It was kinda fun.Was good entertainment on esp boring afternoons.I have the "photo" lights that FQ,TriStar and Rainbow used in their demos-about the dust and dirt floating in the air.Did any of your demos with Kirby use the light?Don't remember other Kirby guys coming to my place with the light.With my new Polarion hand held light-this thing is MORE powerful than any photo light-You can get a special green filter for the light that attaches to the lens for dust and dirt detection-going to order one of those filters-also the UV-blue one.the UV-Blue ones you see on the CSI shows-these can cause some dust and dirt to glow.I can see dust and dirt in the Polarion beam even without filters.Polarion makes high end lights for diving,emergency services and the military.It is the star light of my light collection.It costs as much as a Kirby-but worth it.

Post# 226227 , Reply# 6   4/3/2013 at 07:04 (4,038 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
Great demo thread! I used to sell Kirby

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And when I was in college, I took a public speaking class and one assignment was to do a speech that was a demonstration of something. I took the power plant from my Omega and the Handi Butler in and demoed that. Aced that assignment :-)

Post# 226282 , Reply# 7   4/3/2013 at 13:52 (4,038 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
Thanks Alex

for liking my comments. No objections shown here? And John opening his wallet hearing your price? Maybe I am not getting this the right way, my English might be too bad (me not knowing a typical metaphorical saying, but are you selling info stuff to someone else?) - Quite puzzled here...

Anyway, I do remember the power plant start-up, using sturdy garden trash bags to lift up the couple of prospects off of their sofa (blower port into garden bag, the 2 persons sitting on that) and after this letting them guess the estimated power of the Kirby. After the giggle about falling off the blown-up trash bag back into the cushions of their couch (body actions are always good for a party game and for relieving unwanted ackwardness): Most people came up with some 2-3 kilowatts, some even daring to mention 10 kW (not knowing that a regular 16A circuit breaker here is capped for 3.5 kilowatts).

Then we would mention the modest 600 watts of the Kirby and they would go: "But HOW the heck can THIS be done?" Opening the air inlet, pointing to the fan shaft, asking them: So, ok, what does this remind you of?" - "hm, windmill..." / "the front of an airplane jet engine" ---> "Great guess, folks, and THAT is the very difference between power- and money-consuming cheapo-vacs of 2.5 kilowatts and a GOOD engineering on the OTHER hand - it is all about keeping power and good materials at the best of their use and NOT cheating customers with worthless figures that will cost YOU your own hard-earned money".
(German customers love to feel "green", even when they aren't fully).

There are more than 3 dozens of other stories I do remember.
But basically the "show" is the same: power plant, blower, tool stuff for him, then caddy group, regular vac, deep cleaner (the power nozzle), shampoo kit, polisher, sander and of course the mattress thing, producing as many "pizzas" as you can (as the round filter pads are called here) = a round dough with some "toppings" on it ;-))

J.


Post# 226288 , Reply# 8   4/3/2013 at 14:24 (4,038 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi J.

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In answer to the question yes! John will show no objections. A number of my demo's were that way, and I'm following the comments I used and trained my people to use.

This was prompted my a member who wanted to know the demo. As for objections, and so on, that's a great idea, and should be on a seperate thread, please feel free to strt one and I'll ad to it. But as I said at the start of that thread, if you follow the pattern, and show need, the Kirby will sell itself. 90% of my sales were cash, and 80% of my demo's were sales.

Alex Taber.


Post# 226297 , Reply# 9   4/3/2013 at 15:01 (4,038 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
90% of my sales were cash, and 80% of my demo's were sal

hey Alex,

as I am hard to convince, will you please be selling that to me? -> "90% of my sales were cash, and 80% of my demo's were sales"

Simple question now: As easy as a cream pie: Why aren't you in the business selling the Kirby now?

While Kirby demos are fun to do, why aren't you in the business by now? You could be, by all what it seems to be!




Post# 226301 , Reply# 10   4/3/2013 at 15:23 (4,038 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
90% of my sales were cash, and 80% of my demo's were sal

hey Alex,

as I am hard to convince, will you please be selling that to me? -> "90% of my sales were cash, and 80% of my demo's were sales"

Simple question now: As easy as a cream pie: Why aren't you in the business selling the Kirby now?

While Kirby demos are fun to do, why aren't you in the business by now? You could be, by all what it seems to be!




Post# 226302 , Reply# 11   4/3/2013 at 15:25 (4,038 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
sry for the double post

something kept telling me "has not been posted yet".
Webmasters please delete the double-post.


Post# 226303 , Reply# 12   4/3/2013 at 15:36 (4,038 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi J.

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Why I left Kirby.

I retired in 1993, and in 95 went to San Diego, California. Here I got into the medical profession, dealing with home health care and home hospice.

Alex Taber.


Post# 226307 , Reply# 13   4/3/2013 at 15:53 (4,038 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi J.

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I'm 62 years old, and living in the woods of Pa. happily retired. Now my life revolves around vacuum cleaner history.

Post# 228039 , Reply# 14   4/11/2013 at 23:04 (4,030 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi fatalfranklin.

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Thanks for the nice remaks. What I wrote about was a way of life to the Kirby dealers. The models were the Kirby Classic around 1970, the Classic Omega around 1974, the Classic 111 1976, and the Tradition of 1979. That's the reason the Kirby your mom got in the 70's and the demo you saw from the 20 year old, were so different. Back in those days there were men like Adrian E. Budlong Jr. (President and C.E.O. of Kirby) and Peter B. Menke, another of the top brass. They ruled Kirby with an iron fist, and made sure the demo followed the standards James B. Kirby designed. Unfortunately, as the years went on, not all dealers were trained as I was, or as I went on to train my people. Then, there are also salesman who simply don't care.

I believed in Kirby, if I didn't I would never have sold them. Personally, I still like the old models, and try to follow the history of the machines like the one your mom had.

Alex Taber.





Post# 228077 , Reply# 15   4/12/2013 at 09:31 (4,029 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi fatalfranklin.

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I don't plan on deleting anything you post. You made a very good point about how the demo was back when I was training, and today. It's all a matter of interest. The 20 year old you spoke of could care less, to him it was a job, sell the Kirby, get that commision. For my trainees and I, there was one objective here, to help the prospects have a machine that did the job right!

I welcome all thoughts, ideas and comments.
Thanks again,

Alex Taber.


Post# 228168 , Reply# 16   4/13/2013 at 03:20 (4,028 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yes,the salesperson who was DEDICATED to the company he represented-would succeed and prosper-the salesman that just looked at sales as "just a job" would fail.And those who think selling Kirbys or any other DTD vacuum will get rich overnight.Again such a guy will fail.A customer KNOWS if you the salesman is dedicated and interested in the product vs a salesman that isn't.We know who will close his sale first!

Post# 228188 , Reply# 17   4/13/2013 at 08:27 (4,028 days old) by cc (louisiana)        
Alex

You have done a wonderful job telling your story here. I found it very interesting as I am sure many others did as well. One of the reasons DTD vacuums are in decline today is the absence of dedicated salesmen like you were. People being dropped off by a van with a box would never be allowed in my home. Women would be scared, and rightfully so, to allow someone like that into their home. The fun, interactive, what can I do for you -attitude is all but been replaced with the give me your money now mentality. Another thing, when you sold a Kirby, your customers were also buying you so to speak. If they needed anything, call Alex. Now, everyone knows they will never see the person in the van again. The quality is still there in today's DTD's vacs. I believe many people avoid them because they dread the high pressure, often shady, sometimes scary, sales tactics of today's salespeople. Of course, there are STILL many GREAT vacuum sales people!!!!!!!!!!!!! My point is that Alex Taber just let us experience how it should be, or could be, and no it is not the 70's anymore, but wouldn't it be nice if........

Post# 228411 , Reply# 18   4/14/2013 at 20:39 (4,027 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi cc.

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Thank's for the kind words, but when I was selling for Kirby, it was a group effort. There were 3 ways to get in the home. 1. The old fashioned knocking on doors and asking if they wanted to see the Kirby. 2. The appointment booked in the office based on a lead. 3. The person who called requesting a demo. Even when I was selling Kirby's, door knocking was on it's way out. That really bugged people, so we simply told them about our product, rarely did we get in. The bread and butter was the referal, commonly called the lead. John and Mary in my demo were so impressed that I got names. Her sister, hairdresser, several friends from her bridge club, John's boss, his golf buddies, their parish Priest, and so on.

Part of it was that I was polite in the home, but friendly. I told them what was true, backed it up with test pads, and was honest. If I needed it, there was my 'proof book' with documentation that what I said was true. I was porfessional and they knew it. They had already had a call from the branch office, knew who would be there, and that I was represented by our company. As I said, the person setting that appointment screened the customer. A couple who were not working, or lived in an unsavory neighborhood, the appointment was not booked. Thanks to the office there was rarely a wild goose chase, and the "I can't afford that" was usually a line. Financing was available, ranging from 90 days same as cash, to a 36 month plan. Add to this, Kirby is a popular brand, so if Mary had talked to the lady across the street and said over coffee "I'm going to have a salesman from Kirby here tomorrow night" the responce might well be "my mother has one and they're fantastic!"

Doing a thread of my demo was anything but easy. The reason I did it in installments was to let me talk it out before writing. As I said I did this from memory and missed a few minor points that I fit in at the end, like the cord being 32 feet long, that should have been part of the power plant.

Certain feedback from the prospects altered it somewhat, but gennerally it was a canned speach, and yet, the top brass at Kirby wanted all of us to personalize it so it didn't sound canned. And that was the reason for my training the sales staff. They needed to learn the machine, how one part fed into the other. Every salesman began the same way, showing it to their parents, brother, neighbor and so on. That was their break in weekend, and it was known that they were expected to try to sell it if possible.

For me, it was far more than a job. I was showing a product I believed in, and was able to make the love of vacuum cleaners the center of that. The icing on the cake was when I got a trade-in like Mary's Filtex, my manager let me keep it.

If I was not living deep in the back woods of Pa. I very well might get back into Kirby, however, I've had my day in the sun.

Alex Taber.



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