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Post# 224981   3/24/2013 at 15:23 (3,001 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

This just came up on ebay - possibly the best Classic 3 in the UK.
Is £375 a good price?
The only thing is the serial number seems to be ground out, and it doesn't use paper bags, which slightly puts me off it, but what a Kirby!


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Post# 225001 , Reply# 1   3/24/2013 at 19:35 (3,001 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
Serial #

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I would think the serial # might be in a different place with respect to the fact this is a UK-spec machine. I know that twocvbloke found that out on his Classic III.

~Ben


Post# 225011 , Reply# 2   3/24/2013 at 20:54 (3,001 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

It does have a serial number on the base label, as shown in the photos but not it seems on the pressing on the front of the fan housing exit, as later Kirbys do. Did the serial numbers change type on the earlier models?, as on the Heritage 1 and G7e I have, both serial numbers contain the year of manufacture.

Post# 225012 , Reply# 3   3/24/2013 at 21:07 (3,001 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Steve,

Here in the U.S., the Classic III was the first Kirby to have its serial # be stamped on the plaque on the fan case housing. The Classic Omega and other older Kirbys had the serial # stamped on the nameplate. The Classic III also had the honor of being the first Kirby with the "Vis-A-Belt" window.

~Ben


Post# 225078 , Reply# 4   3/25/2013 at 12:06 (3,000 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Goodness, that's beautiful!

Post# 225084 , Reply# 5   3/25/2013 at 13:19 (3,000 days old) by craig_1982 (Newcastle Under Lyme (England))        

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That is one very nice looking kirby so tempted to get it could probably save the £30 posted and collect myself

Post# 225091 , Reply# 6   3/25/2013 at 14:07 (3,000 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

@craig_1982 from your profile you obviously love kirbys! Well so do I:)

Post# 226927 , Reply# 7   4/6/2013 at 04:47 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        
Thank You!

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Thanks for the kind comments regarding the CIII  Laughing

 

I have been restoring Kirbys for some time - mainly the Sentria for the mainstream market. However I have ground-up restored a few early machines - and intend to refurbish more to this standard which I hope will attract the specific market of collectors - or those who just prefer vintage Kirbys.

I have been given permission by the webmaster (Robert) to let you guys know of future completed restorations - as he would like to see the pictures of the cleaners on here - as I hope might others.

During refurbishment I bring the castings back to as new condition - and remove all scratches & dings etc through a multi-stage process. This is a very labour intensive & dirty job - but reaps rewards. I replace motor bearings with high quality SKF units - motor brushes - brushrolls - all gaskets - wheels - trims etc... I am a bit of a perfectionist - and anything I am not happy with is replaced. I spend an awful lot of time & expense on the restoration process - however I find it very rewarding to bring these superb quality machines up to this level.

 

A few pictures of the CIII follow.

 

All the best - Chris.




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Post# 226928 , Reply# 8   4/6/2013 at 04:49 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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CIII detail


Post# 226929 , Reply# 9   4/6/2013 at 04:50 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Post# 226930 , Reply# 10   4/6/2013 at 04:53 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Handle / light cap


Post# 226931 , Reply# 11   4/6/2013 at 04:55 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Fan housing detail


Post# 226932 , Reply# 12   4/6/2013 at 05:01 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Toe touch ratchet  / front wheel detail


Post# 226933 , Reply# 13   4/6/2013 at 05:03 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Fork pin / yoke detail


Post# 226934 , Reply# 14   4/6/2013 at 05:05 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Belt lifter


Post# 226935 , Reply# 15   4/6/2013 at 05:14 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Sani Em-Tor


Post# 226936 , Reply# 16   4/6/2013 at 05:15 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Rear wheel / casting


Post# 226937 , Reply# 17   4/6/2013 at 05:16 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Underside


Post# 226938 , Reply# 18   4/6/2013 at 05:17 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Bag top cover / handle grip


Post# 226939 , Reply# 19   4/6/2013 at 05:18 (2,989 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Thanks guys - I hope you enjoy the photo's Smile

 

All the best - Chris.


Post# 226947 , Reply# 20   4/6/2013 at 08:04 (2,989 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I was sorely tempted by this, and indeed it was worth every penny of £375, but I like to use my cleaners, and the one deal breaker on this was that it wasn't able to be used with paper bags - this is possibly why Kirby's older than the Tradition (1979 - 1981) hardly ever appear for sale on EBay.
Had it have been a mint Tradition, or Heritage, and the fact that I live very near you Chris, I would have been seriously tempted. I already have a H1 that I cleaned up myself, but it is nowhere near the beauty that your Classic III is. But the Classic 3 is just so perfect I would have been afraid to use it, rather just look at it and admire it.
I will be looking out for any future resto's you do, and if finances permit, may buy one from you, dependent on price.
Keep up the good work!


Post# 226989 , Reply# 21   4/6/2013 at 12:56 (2,988 days old) by machineage (Staffordshire - UK)        

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Thanks madabouthoovers

 

It went to a gentleman who used to own one in the past - it will be cared for & used regularly.

 

I'm currently restoring a Tradition to the same level. I convert the Sani Em-Tors to use a G6+ snap fill tube with either a twist or F style bag top adaptor. This retains the look of the cleaner - but allows it to breathe much better & use the latest polypropylene HEPA bags. I will likely offer the upgrade with this Tradition. I'll post photo's of it once the refurbishment is complete.

 

Interesting to see so many collectors in the vicinity - must be a Midlands thing Smile

 

All the best - Chris.


Post# 227118 , Reply# 22   4/7/2013 at 01:39 (2,988 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Chris, that is absolutely amazing. I was astonished at the amount of care and attention that has gone into this, and am really looking forward to seeing what you come up with next. Have to admit I was sorely tempted to go for it myself, but sadly it wouldn't be practical right now as I live in an apartment and just don't have the room to store or use it. Hopefully that will change one day in the not too distant future.

As far as the paper bag question, a Classic III will work quite happily with a Mini Em-Tor, fill tube and cloth outer bag from a Legend II. It's not 100% original of course, but matches closely enough that Kirby themselves often suggest this as an upgrade for those wishing to convert to paper. You can easily switch back and forth between the two bag setups, so it's definitely an option to consider for those who want a vintage cleaner that can be a daily driver as well as a display piece.


Post# 227120 , Reply# 23   4/7/2013 at 01:43 (2,988 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If the Tradition is to the standards of the Classic III, It should look fantastic. If it is fitted with the paper bag fill tube as mentioned, that would make it very saleable. My H1 has the Sani-emptor with bag tube and type 2 bags, which I can still get, but the Tradition would be nice to have with the facility to use the Hepa bags of later G7 and Sentria models.
The only thing I seem to notice with the Tradition is that many of the original bags have now faded out to a lighter blue than the original, so wonder if you would be dying the bag or using a re-manufactured one?
The tradition is one of the nicer looking Kirbys, in that lovely blue colour, also the Classic Omega is a nice one too, with the wood veneer effect.
Will keep watching for the tradition when it is finished.


Post# 227142 , Reply# 24   4/7/2013 at 04:03 (2,988 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

I just got rid of a tradition lol-it was in terrible condition:(

Post# 233923 , Reply# 25   5/25/2013 at 00:21 (2,940 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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(video by James aka KirbyModel2C?)

Here's what seems to be a pristine-looking 2CB that has original parts, including its fan.

~Ben


Post# 233972 , Reply# 26   5/25/2013 at 10:33 (2,939 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

No this wasn't from kirbymodel2c, it's from a different guy called James on here:)

Post# 234097 , Reply# 27   5/26/2013 at 17:36 (2,938 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Oh, yes, James Sandilands is the one I'm actually referring to.

~Ben


Post# 234132 , Reply# 28   5/27/2013 at 04:00 (2,938 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yup that's him:)

Post# 238141 , Reply# 29   6/28/2013 at 23:37 (2,905 days old) by Jeschbac (Texas)        

Chris, this is astounding restoration work. I'd love to study your techniques sometime!

J


Post# 242033 , Reply# 30   7/25/2013 at 12:42 (2,878 days old) by reo580 (Holland, Michigan)        

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That...Is the most beautiful Kirby C-3 I have ever seen!
The Cast Aluminium housings truly shine like chrome!
Excellent work!!


Post# 242064 , Reply# 31   7/25/2013 at 15:50 (2,878 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

That is a work of art!! When we get out of this 1 bed flat and into somewhere more spacious I'm dropping you a PM!

Post# 442012 , Reply# 32   5/20/2021 at 07:42 by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

"... The only thing I seem to notice with the Tradition is that many of the original bags have now faded out to a lighter blue than the original, so wonder if you would be dying the bag or using a re-manufactured one?"

Madabouthoovers:
The blue Tradition cloth bags weren't a dyed fabric in the conventional sense. It was a superficial pigment added to the surface after manufacture - like the fine powdery coating of dust on butterfly/moth wings. The pigment fell away from the material over time. If the owner ever washed the bag, the pigment bled out straight-away (even with a cold hand-wash) leaving dark blue water and a permanently washed-out bag.

You cannot successfully re-dye Tradition bags. The plasticy/nylon/polyester blend of the fabric will not take new colour dyes permanently. It'll be a slight improvement (+10%), but not much.

Replacement bags are available, but aren't up to original Kirby standards.
They're very,very expensive.
They don't have the same houndstooth pattern. Close, but no cigar.
They're a very loud 'electric-blue' colour. It looks out-of-place.
There's no felt lining strip inside, to seal the zipper.
Raw fabric edges are unfinished white, and look very unsightly.
The top hanger loop is too deep, so bag hangs droopy.
There is no Kirby® Label.
The zips are black nylon - Not blue, not aluminium.
There's no zip-concealment flaps at the sides or top.

I tried dying my original bags. All were virtually unchanged.
So I bought an expensive replacement.
Unpicked and re-made the zipper seams.
Added internal felt flaps - from the original bag.
Re-made topper loop, so bag now hangs properly.
Adjusted the internal loop so it functions now.
Added the Kirby® label from the original bag.

Having done all that; I prefer the look of the original, faded bag, to this modern, gaudy, knock-off.
I'm considering making my own from blue corduroy.


Post# 442013 , Reply# 33   5/20/2021 at 07:44 by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

"... The only thing I seem to notice with the Tradition is that many of the original bags have now faded out to a lighter blue than the original, so wonder if you would be dying the bag or using a re-manufactured one?"

Madabouthoovers:
The blue Tradition cloth bags weren't a dyed fabric in the conventional sense. It was a superficial pigment added to the surface after manufacture - like the fine powdery coating of dust on butterfly/moth wings. The pigment fell away from the material over time. If the owner ever washed the bag, the pigment bled out straight-away (even with a cold hand-wash) leaving dark blue water and a permanently washed-out bag.

You cannot successfully re-dye Tradition bags. The plasticy/nylon/polyester blend of the fabric will not take new colour dyes permanently. It'll be a slight improvement (+10%), but not much.

Replacement bags are available, but aren't up to original Kirby standards.
They're very,very expensive.
They don't have the same houndstooth pattern. Close, but no cigar.
They're a very loud 'electric-blue' colour. It looks out-of-place.
There's no felt lining strip inside, to seal the zipper.
Raw fabric edges are unfinished white, and look very unsightly.
The top hanger loop is too deep, so bag hangs droopy.
There is no Kirby® Label.
The zips are black nylon - Not blue, not aluminium.
There's no zip-concealment flaps at the sides or top.

I tried dying my original bags. All were virtually unchanged.
So I bought an expensive replacement.
Unpicked and re-made the zipper seams.
Added internal felt flaps - from the original bag.
Re-made topper loop, so bag now hangs properly.
Adjusted the internal loop so it functions now.
Added the Kirby® label from the original bag.

Having done all that; I prefer the look of the original, faded bag, to this modern, gaudy, knock-off.
I'm considering making my own from blue corduroy.





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