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Post# 223222   3/11/2013 at 21:37 (4,035 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

So I've bought some vacs from a guy who makes his living garbage picking them by the hundreds and reselling or junking. To my dismay, the guy's got and has scrapped more vacs than I could ever dream to own (his claims are). Anyway, on my last trip to his place he had a Nss pig sitting in the garage he said he'd let go for $20. He says it works great, but there is a nut trapped in the fan case that rattles around in there when you run it, but this machine is so durable it (the machine) doesn't give a crap! I'm wondering if it's worth it. For the life of me I can't fathom what I'd use it for, but owning a vac called the "NSS Pig" sure sounds like I'm owning the battleship of vacuums. Anybody interested in it if I don't take the cake? I would have to confirm he said $20, but I'm 99% positive that's what he said.

He also says it's a nightmare to take it apart to get that trapped nut out, hence why he never bothered. What's y'alls take on that?


Post# 223224 , Reply# 1   3/11/2013 at 21:43 (4,035 days old) by mieles7 (TX)        

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Get that vac as fast as you can! I've heard the NSS Pig is one of the best dry shop vacs ever. Besides, they are around $1000 new, and I'm sure someone on this forum knows how to fix that problem.

Post# 223228 , Reply# 2   3/11/2013 at 22:22 (4,035 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        
A nightmare to get an item out of the fan case?

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It's actually very simple. Pull the bumper down from the front section (snout), then remove five screws. Once that's done, you'll have access to the fan and the fan case.

For $20.00, I'd snap that up in a second. I already own two, one of which I've fully restored and own all three bags offered by NSS (cotton shake-out, cotton disposable bag and denim shake-out, all new and unused).

Here's my restored machine with the brand new denim shake-out bag...


Post# 223248 , Reply# 3   3/12/2013 at 04:51 (4,035 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

If there are no takers for the NSS M1 Pig I would be GLAD to give it a home-rattly nut and all-this could be fixed-take apart the fancase as above.Would cost more than $20 to pack and ship the beast-would be worth it to me.LOVE MY PIGS!-have three-glad to have more!!Can the nut be merely trapped in your pigs "snout"the large area in the front of the vacuum the hose connects to-the trap is in front of the fan to catch such large thingsa before they go thru the fan-you have to disconnect the hose-tip the machine over to dump the item out of the hose opening from the snout.As said-these machine are easy to service and incredibly durable.

Post# 223273 , Reply# 4   3/12/2013 at 10:40 (4,034 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
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Great vac.Great restoration!Great picture!!What is going on north of the border? Any vac pic is good to see but but those from Canadian collectors are among the very best.

Post# 223276 , Reply# 5   3/12/2013 at 11:21 (4,034 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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If it is complete (hose and floor nozzle) I might be interested. I could come pick it up cheaper than shipping... only about 1 1/2 hours away.

Post# 223342 , Reply# 6   3/12/2013 at 21:08 (4,034 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

I will have to talk to him about it again then. It looked rather dirty and only had the hose.

Post# 223874 , Reply# 7   3/16/2013 at 16:59 (4,030 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        
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I was wrong on price. He wants $45 for it. Little more than I'm willing to pay. Any takers?

Post# 223876 , Reply# 8   3/16/2013 at 17:05 (4,030 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

its condition and everything almost looks exactly like this picture I found.

Post# 223943 , Reply# 9   3/17/2013 at 05:20 (4,030 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I would be interested in the "Pig" vacuum .The cost in my case would be for shipping.Pigs can be shipped-I have had two shipped to me when they were new.The bag rod and bag removes easily from the machine canister base for shipping.Setscrews in the base hold the bag support rod.Try to get a shipping cost estimate along with the price to Greenville,NC.27858.

Post# 224006 , Reply# 10   3/17/2013 at 15:38 (4,029 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        
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would you know the smallest box size I can get this vac in? Dimensions on the machine for that? I'll get a price.

Post# 224008 , Reply# 11   3/17/2013 at 15:43 (4,029 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        
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At most it looks like $35-40 shipping, $45 for the vac. I overestimate shipping but after box and packing I expect $30-35. So $80-90 total is my guess.

Post# 224074 , Reply# 12   3/18/2013 at 02:39 (4,029 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Sounds good to me-how can we hammer out a deal on this.I would have to measure one of my machines-The UPS store can pack and ship the machine if you bring it to them disassembled.-Bag support rod and bag removed from the machine.Can give you some measurements tomorrow.

Post# 224207 , Reply# 13   3/18/2013 at 21:42 (4,028 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

Well I've always had it buyer sends me the money, I get the vac, box it and get it to ups as soon as I can. give me a l x w dimension with the machine standing on it's back (hose snout in the air) and an aproximate height with the bag support next to it. What I generally do is take 2 boxes 12x12x16 and whatever sticks out of the top of one box, I box over with the other box. gives me about 23" height to work with. That in no way would be more than $30. If I have to go to a wider box, i don't know about price, because a 12x12 always worked but I imagine the machine isn't wider than 12"

Post# 224233 , Reply# 14   3/19/2013 at 04:23 (4,028 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

For some weird reason-don't know what-the computer I am using won't go to your Email address.So far the dimension I ha ve gotten from NSS is the NSS Pig canister body is 16.5 in long.With bag rod attached its 32.5 in high.Will have to measure one of my machines at home to see what the LDH of the canister unit is.These do break down from shipping much like Kirbys and most other vacuums.I forgot to measure it last night will remember today and get back to you.Maybe you can Email me thru my address on my profile.

Post# 224332 , Reply# 15   3/19/2013 at 18:58 (4,027 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

The info you provided me is enough. It will be $33 to ship. email is my83mustang@yahoo.com let me know if that's doable for you.

Post# 224371 , Reply# 16   3/20/2013 at 05:49 (4,027 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I got some actual measurements and its different than what I gave you last-measured one of my machines-The "Pig" body is 22" long overall,12 1/4 " high without the bag-from floor to top of fan discharge opening to bag.and 10" wide.Bag rod is 24 3/4" long by 11 1/2" wide.Will try your other email.

Post# 224485 , Reply# 17   3/20/2013 at 21:54 (4,026 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

with the dimensions of a box I'd have to use to fit that vac, it's $30 instead of $33 with your new dimensions.

Post# 224504 , Reply# 18   3/21/2013 at 00:54 (4,026 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The other Email address didn't work either.We will need to exchange our addresses somehow.Would like to get my check to you-Guess will be $75 total?

Post# 224603 , Reply# 19   3/21/2013 at 20:29 (4,025 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

I tried the link to your email and it wouldn't go through either!! I only have one email, so I don't know why it'd be causing problems. check again and try copying it exactly as I typed it....
Anyway, $75 is the magic #. Hopefully we can get a quicker means of communication.


Post# 224628 , Reply# 20   3/22/2013 at 01:51 (4,025 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Vacuumman-Tried agin,lets see if it gets thru.

Post# 259039 , Reply# 21   12/9/2013 at 00:40 (3,763 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I just snatched one of these up on Craigslist for $25 about a week ago. I bought a used genuine hose off eBay for $30, and a used genuine wand and rug nozzle for $60. I'm also waiting for a $20 bag clip that I ordered thru a janitorial place here in Denver. I've stuffed a genuine bag in there as well. I have an older model M as well that I need to get cleaned up and put back together. I've got a weird knockoff machine as well. I'll post a pic of all 3 once they're all ready.

Post# 259133 , Reply# 22   12/10/2013 at 03:32 (3,762 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

COOL!!!!Another "pig" or is it "HOG" lover!!!!Now I am up to four in my collection.I have pigs in my kitchen,den,and the other two in a back room where I work on machines.The "Pig" is the BEST bench vac I have used!!!The one pictured looks nice-it looks like it has the older "kidney bean" bag-looks like the bag needs a bag clamp.

Post# 259158 , Reply# 23   12/10/2013 at 16:19 (3,761 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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It does, it should be here any day now... When I got the machine the whole bag was held closed with those clamps. With the paper bag in it I can use it as it is but I will put the clamp on when it gets here. This one would have used the metal clamp I'm sure but I suspect the new one will be gray plastic. I've loved these machines for a very long time. I was about 5-6 when I first saw one in use while I was following mom around a fabric store and I think another one once in a walmart. Then they used them at my elementary school where my love for these machines really grew. Have you ever seen a Pacific Steamex like the one in this video on YouTube?

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Post# 259198 , Reply# 24   12/11/2013 at 04:26 (3,761 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have both the metal and plastic bag clamps.The metal clamps are of course older.The plastic clamps were used until NSS went to a "Universal" black bag with the "orbit" logo on it-has a zipper top.I use it with paper bags.If you use a paper bag in the bag you have-DON'T LET IT GET FULL-or you wont be able to get it out of the cloth bag thru the narrow bag opening-or are you using a Kirby "G" type bag-these can fitand with luck can get it out of the bag opening when full-the old "kidney bags" were intended as dump bags.
I have seen that Pacific Steamex video--Never seen one of those machines-would be neat to have one.Beleive the Pacific Steamex folks got involved in a lawsuit with NSS over that Pacific Steamex machine much like the maker of Bison vacuums vs Kirby.I would have to bet the Steamex machines like the NSS M1 are rare.It is a nice machine-somehow I doubt its the same motor and fan as the NSS-Why would NSS provide parts to a competing company to make a machine like that?Think the person making the video doesn't have that right.The Pacific machine does have some diffences over the NSS-the "snout" is different-as well as the metal outside bag feed tube from the fancase.When I looked up Pacific Steamex-there is NO mention of their vacuum like the NSS M1 mentioned on their website-they make wet carpet extractors and floor washer machines-and wet-dry vacuums,and janitorial equipment.


Post# 259199 , Reply# 25   12/11/2013 at 04:31 (3,761 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I first got acquanted with the NSS M1 when I saw them picured in a Daycon Jsnitorial Products catalog in the 70'sDaycon is a janitorial supply in the Wash,DC area.I ordered my first M1 from them-and lived in an apartment-they delivored the machine to me.In the delivory truck besides mine-was a fleet of other M1's asked where they were going-the Daycon guy said to the White House!Cool! mine was with those!Still have that machine and it works fine.Did replace the brushes and bearings.It now has to be about 40 yrs old!I orddred a M1 for the radio startion I was working for at the time-they still have it!

Post# 259258 , Reply# 26   12/11/2013 at 21:15 (3,760 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Bag clamp installed! I don't think the plain aluminum shoe rug nozzle does overly well on pet hair. It does ok but nothing special, it gets everything else great tho. Vacuumed my BF's aunt and uncles house a few times so far while I'm here taking care of the dogs. I love this vacuum though. I think I could be content to have a collection that only these vacs.

Believe it or not I was thinking the same thing about the paper bag as I was stuffing it into the small bag opening.


Post# 259269 , Reply# 27   12/12/2013 at 03:34 (3,760 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

One of my NSS M1 vacs has a "pigtail" connection for a NSS powernozzle.Have the powernozzle and its wand.It does work well with the "Pig"the powernozzle was also meant to be used with a NSS "Designer Dry" canister vacuum.A Circuit City store my way had one of those-when the store closed asked if they had it among the things they were selling out-Wasn't around me and the guys selling out the store couldn't find it anywhere-wanted it for my collection.It had a powernozzle.I think in the real haul uprights-such as Saintaires,Kirbys,Metal Royals and such do better for carpets than the NSS Pigs with the straight suction carpet floor nozzles.When I used the NSS Powernozzle-was a big improvement-I modified my NSS nozzle so I could use it with any other 1.5" hose vacuum.Just plug it into a wall outlet instead of the one on the Pig.The Pigs are sold as two models today-one with the pigtal outlet and the other without it.The pigtal one cost several dollars more.It would seem the NSS straight suction carpet tools are designed for low pile commercial carpet-not the deeper carpet used in homes.I don't have any carpet tools for my M1's just bare floor tools.If you want to use paper bags-order a M1 "Universal" bag and paper bags from an NSS dealer-the Universal bag is $90 and the paper bags are like $36 for a pack of 6 bags.Also--Yellow or White Shop-Vac 6 gal bags will fit-just have to push harder and carefully on the bag collar to get it on the NSS bag horn.Kirby "G" bags will fit,too.Just make sure they are on tight-If too full the bag will be blown off the horn.

Post# 259295 , Reply# 28   12/12/2013 at 11:16 (3,759 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I've got a pack of genuine NSS M-1 bags and that's whats in there, it fit perfectly over the metal fill tube. To me the vacuum wouldn't look right with anything but a blue bag. I just won't pack the bag full, which I rarely ever do anyway

Post# 259356 , Reply# 29   12/13/2013 at 02:55 (3,759 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The new Black bags do go with the new Black NSS Pigs.No,they wouldn't look right with the Yellow Pigs-but would be easier to use-Just keep the orig blue bag for display.Your vacuum sure looks nice!!2 of my Pigs are the black ones.Do like the yellow color and "Horse" logo bags better for appearence.

Post# 259391 , Reply# 30   12/13/2013 at 16:57 (3,758 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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It was a filthy mess when I first got it. The bag was filthy and there was so much crap in the scrap trap on the front, so e of it looked rather nasty and it looked like it had been used to vacuum a garage out that was filled with leaves and other plant litter. I took the bag off and dumped it out followed by turning it inside out and a good blowing out with my Metro Masterblaster blower that was a great find, another store was going to scrap it but it works fine. It's the model with 2 Lamb motors in series inside. Extremely powerful!!! I made a MASSIVE cloud of dust outside when I did it and there was white dust everywhere and lots of fuzz and lint too lol.

Post# 259424 , Reply# 31   12/13/2013 at 23:42 (3,758 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I moved their couch (the black leather one behind the vac in the last pic, and vacuumed under it. This pretty much removed any doubts i have about the nozzle's cleaning ability, it cleaned everything up very well and quickly. I was looking through the NSS attachment catalog and saw that the rug nozzle I have is listed as being good for low pile commercial carpet. Another collector is sending me another nozzle that might work better for household pile carpet but I'm not unhappy with the way it cleans. If you put the hose up to your ear while vacuuming you can hear it picking up a ton of sand and grit.

Post# 259433 , Reply# 32   12/14/2013 at 01:52 (3,758 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Figures with used Pig vacs the poor thing would be full of stuff.A few times used mine while helping a freind remodel his house-The mess was so bad I went thru a few packs of paper bags and one cloth bag-ate up the fill tube-the Pig ate nails,cable staples,and even conduit box slugs-bent them over-same with the nails before putting them into the bag-the Pig's fan didn't have a dent or any nicks in the blades.For remodel jobs the Pig is better than any Shop type vac.Just used the shop vac for the wet stuff.
Glad your carpet tools are working-Maybe I will have to order some and try them-My carpet is very deep.The powernozzle works good on it.And--for extra fun paired the NSS Pig with my Kirby Sentria.Take the bag off the Kirby-put the Kirby hose on the fan discharge--and use the Kirby as a powernozzle-really gets the stuff out-best tamdem air vac around!!You hear the air rushing thru the Kirby and NSS hoses-and the stuff going thru the fans!!With your machine guess it got stuff your other vacs missed-or your friends vac missed behind that sofa.Would love to see pictures of your other Pig vacs-esp the "weird" one.NSS has strict patents on their design-they go after anyone that tries to copy it.NSS sure came up with a real long term winner in their Pig.Now I would like to run into some of the older machines and that Steamex one.


Post# 259460 , Reply# 33   12/14/2013 at 10:10 (3,757 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Im hoping this weekend I'll get around to putting my M back together but we'll see. I need to track down a wand for the M as I have a rug tool coming from a friend. I'd like to find another genuine hose too but in the meantime I can just keep using the generic gray crush proof one it came to me with. Here is a video in the meantime. This was taken when my late best friend (God rest his soul) came to visit and brought the M to me.

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Post# 259535 , Reply# 34   12/15/2013 at 01:49 (3,757 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Nice little video-like that OLD Pig-it doesn't have the brushcap guards on the back motor cover-its an oldie-along with its faded but still good Horse bag.The Steamex put on a good show!-Loved how both bags were poofed out on each machine.So sad about your freind.Very sorry for your loss.

Post# 260008 , Reply# 35   12/18/2013 at 10:28 (3,753 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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When they got home my aunt thought I'd shampooed the rugs! All I did was vacuum daily with the M-1!

Post# 260113 , Reply# 36   12/19/2013 at 03:56 (3,753 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Guess I will need to order a carpet tool from NSS and try it!Maybe the combination of the Pig and the tool has something going for it-NSS does point out the advantage of their carpet tool-no roller brush or beater bars to entangle phone,computer,and power cords found around desks in offices.And using that tool will give you a WORKOUT!!!Do you push down on the back of the wand handle while going forward and lift up while pulling back-this allows air to flow into the tool-thus dirt-so the tool won't "stick" to the floor and be hard to push-pull.The NSS manuals and website mention that.Sadly I think the Pig is getting competition from backpacks-have both--but love and reach for the Pig everytime-easier to use without the machine on your back.The Pig rests on the floor!-and rolls so easily despite its size and weight-rolls better than most other canister vacs I have.And it can roll over its cord,door thresholds and such without help.

Post# 260122 , Reply# 37   12/19/2013 at 09:59 (3,752 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I don't lift of push down on the wand, I just push forward and pull back. It really isn't hard to push at all, it's no self propelled upright but I don't find it tiring to use at all. I honestly think backpacks get annoying carrying the weight and then the bulk hanging off your back bugs me too.

Post# 260217 , Reply# 38   12/20/2013 at 02:52 (3,752 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The annoyance of backpacks is why I don't use mine--In fact I use the Pig to vacuum off the dust they gather on their outsides!Another thing bad about backpacks--Remember the "drag along vacuum tragdeties add?"For backpacks it could be "Bump into" tragedies"The backpacks do work good-they can be just plain awkward.NSS even makes a series of backpack machines.Aircraft,Bus,Train passenger car cleaners like them.

Post# 261767 , Reply# 39   1/4/2014 at 10:57 (3,736 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Back on the subject of the effectiveness of NSS rug nozzles... The nozzle I was sent from another collector finally arrived and I got to play with it (see pics!) and this is the 16in nozzle with plain shoe (easy to replace the shoe with the lint lifter shoe that has grooves cut in the back shoe that act like the gleaner bar on a Lux rug tool) that is listed in the NSS attachment catalog as being great for all carpet, but especially good for household type carpet, the 12in one I already had is more of a low commercial pile nozzle. Although the one I had did well enough, this does excellently. It glides with almost no effort, picks everything including hair and lint in one pass, leaves the carpet groomed and you can hear in the wand that its getting lots of sand and grit, and when you get up to a wall head on you hear it sucking against the baseboard and it gets everything up to the wall, so nothing is left at the edge of the carpet, and it cleans along the side edges great too!

Post# 261787 , Reply# 40   1/4/2014 at 14:06 (3,736 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        
Sorry, I thought this posted earlier!

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And now for the business end...

Post# 262207 , Reply# 41   1/7/2014 at 04:48 (3,734 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The nozzle shown looks pretty nice and heavy duty-air slots in the front lip will allow airflow so that explains why your Pig is Hogging the dirt from your floor.The airflow of the pig will match this nozzle.I will have to get one of those!Save having to lash up the powernozzle or the Kirby as a powernozzle-It does work well-you hear LOTS fo stuff going thru the NSS and Kirby hoses-then the deleightful "dings" from the Pigs fan!

Post# 262248 , Reply# 42   1/7/2014 at 11:48 (3,733 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Piggies!

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I recently bought a pig as well i'm pretty impressed. I do not have an actual hose for it so i attached my henry's hose with some tape the best rating i have got with that hose is 9.5 i think it has the potential to reach 10 but lacking a hanger the leather fill tube inside the bag gets a little...restricted when the bag bends.

The biggest surprise to me was how small it is i was expecting some monsterous machine i was really shocked to see that it had come in such a small box For comparison here it is next to my Riccar-1700.

It does have a strange short cord coming off it which i think is this power nozzle connection i've heard of it kind of reminds me of a computer cord's end.

The plate/sticker says this uses a 13.4 amp motor


Post# 262249 , Reply# 43   1/7/2014 at 11:50 (3,733 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Fan

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I had to remove the scrap trap or "snout" of it has some stringy material had gotten around the fan it only took about 5 screws to do so but here's a shot of that if anyone is curious

Post# 262251 , Reply# 44   1/7/2014 at 11:54 (3,733 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I love using this as it is with that nozzle I just got. I love the sound of stuff going up the metal wand and then you can hear it hit the inside of the trap on the front of it, and then if it is the right size and weight to make it I love the sound of stuff hitting the fan! Our kitten loves playing with q tips, so they end up all over, most of the time I have to pick them up and trash them, but the M-1 will suck them right up and I love the sound they make in the fan! I really think this nozzle would actually clean as well as any upright with a brush roll just because of the amount of air it moves, it actually hisses when you set it on the carpet, the flatter the rug the louder the hissing as you move it. Its actually pretty amazing when you think about how much airflow it takes to make a 16in rug nozzle hiss like that. But when it comes to moving air the M-1 really is an absolute monster with that fan it has. I'm using this one for at least a week, then after the last time I use it I'm going to immediately use my 2 speed Rainbow E2, which I kind of consider the "gold standard" in truly deep cleaning carpet as they clean so damn well and with the water its easy to see what it gets, so I'll base my opinion of the M-1s deep cleaning ability based on how much and what kind of dirt the Rainbow picks up.

Soon I'm going to go use my RinseNVac to shampoo my best friends carpet in his apartment. He lives there with his boyfriend and his BF's mom and he has a Miele Plus with the SEB213 that I gave him because he needed a decent vacuum and the Plus isn't one I find all that interesting. They love it and it does well, but I'm thinking about taking the M-1 to use before I shampoo, its either that or my Royal Powercast. Any thoughts?


Post# 262254 , Reply# 45   1/7/2014 at 13:19 (3,733 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Tjose fans give me goosebumps! Its an octopus of a fan too, big huge 8in diameter fan with 8 blades. I think the octopus look comes from the fact that there isn't a round solid disk behind the blades like most others, this one is just different in every way.


Post# 262360 , Reply# 46   1/8/2014 at 02:53 (3,733 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Devin:The Pig you just got is the "Carpet Cleaner" model.The "pigtail DIN" connector is just that for the matching NSS powernozzle that fits either the Pig or the Designer Dry vacuums.I have that NSS pigtail model-and the powernozzle.Looks like you need a hose,hose adaptor and bag support rod.You can get those items from your NSS dealer.The hoses for my later pigs were like $80.You would have to check with the dealer as to what the hose adaptor and bag support post would be.The bag needs to be supported so the fill tube is extended.
When I used my Pig for a remodel job cleanup--was amazed at what the beast ate-lets see-conduit box knockout slugs,cable staples,nails,and even a peice of #14 Romex about several inches long.Was surprized to find it in the bag.Used the dump bag at that time.Only problem with that debris is that it did chew up the bags fill tube.The fan--UNDAMAGED!!!If you note in the picture of the fan-the blade ends are "reinforced" by the "Octipus" arms on the fan.Explains why it could eat the stuff it did!
For the carpet cleaning before shampooing-use the Pig.If you have a Kirby-leave the floor-carpet nozzle on the Kirby.Take off the Kirby bag and put the Kirby hose on the Kirbys fan discharge-now connect the Kirby hose to the Pig---and now you have the Tandem air vac of Tandem air vacuums!This will get the stuff out of the carpet-and the NSS huge bag will contain it.No worry of it filling fast like with a regular canister used with the Kirby.This works well with "G" type Kirbys.
Oh yes-have a Riccar vacuum like in the picture.Please note the Pig is much Heavier than the Riccar-and the Pigs hose opening bigger of course-the Pig works by eating lots of air with what it picks up.ENJOY YOUR PIG!!!!Love all of mine!!If you want the powernozzle-the kit is like $375-includes the nozzle,and the cord,cord clips for the hose.The nozzle may be higher now-bought mine long ago.A freind of mine loved using the pig and powernozzle to vacuum his house-and another thing-sometimes small hard things picked up by the fan and then blown into the bag make a nice "THOOP" sound into the bag!


Post# 262361 , Reply# 47   1/8/2014 at 02:56 (3,733 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Another thing-the fancase of Pigs is lined with a steel liner-sometimes you can see it in the fancase with the snout removed-or test the side of the fancase with a magnet.Nice thing-for what the Pig could slurp up-imagine those nails I picked up going thru the fancase!
Not only hearing the stuff go thru the hoses and wands-you can FEEL it,too!KOOL!!


Post# 262392 , Reply# 48   1/8/2014 at 08:07 (3,732 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
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I see it was wise of them to create a model made for carpeting though i'm impressed by what it can do with a straight suction tool.

I did pair it with my lindhaus PB-14 yesterday it really brought up a lot of sand.

I've been looking at the parts and prices and i think i'll just wait till some used ones show up i have ordered a generic crushproof hose for it though.

I do like the idea of using it with a Kirby for the tandem effect i've also considering attempting to connect my sanitaire but i think it would perform even more amazingly with a wider hose than the kirby's perhaps a 2" shop vac hose? get that full 140 cfm?


Post# 262532 , Reply# 49   1/9/2014 at 03:00 (3,732 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Devin-you can get 2" hoses and adaptors from the NSS dealers.The 1.5 adaptors are most common.It was amazing what the Kirby and Pig could do with the stock hoses.The Kirby hose would be the more limiting factor-its 1.25" vrs 1.5" on the Pig.These is a plate on the side of the Pig that tells the CFM when used with 1.5,2" hoses.Yes,the larger the hose-the more CFM.I think there was a time when Pigs were used in movie theater cleanups the 2" hoses were favored by them-could gobble up the spilled popcorn and candy wrappers and packages better than the 1.5" hoses.Remember seeing a theater trade magazine a while back publised in the early 60's besides the ads for Simplex and Century projectors-you could see adds for the Pig!

Post# 262551 , Reply# 50   1/9/2014 at 09:02 (3,731 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
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When i won the auction i asked the shop owner i'm always going to if he's ever seen one he told me that one of the theaters up here used to use one and somehow they managed to kill it i can't recall what they actually broke on it but i was pretty amazed that someone actually managed to kill one.

Post# 262555 , Reply# 51   1/9/2014 at 09:35 (3,731 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Did they drop it off the roof? I mean, really you can kill one of those?? Damn

Post# 262573 , Reply# 52   1/9/2014 at 12:40 (3,731 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Look on eBay, I bought the genuine NSS hose that you se on mine for only $30!

Post# 262576 , Reply# 53   1/9/2014 at 13:05 (3,731 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I guess I'll tell the story of the M and M-1 in my life... It goes back to when I was about to start kindergarten and Mom took me to the elementary school to sign be up. I happened to look into the open custodian's office/room and see something that I was mesmerized by, a big yellow canister vacuum that had a massive blue bag on top. Looked much like an oversized Kirby permanently setup with a hose on the front. I didn't know what to think about such a thing, all I knew is that I was in love! lol After that encounter I saw one bing used in a So-Fro ( I think I spelled that right?) while I was on one of the many tedious trips to the store with mom and I was again fascinated, and this scene was again repeated in a Wal-Mart as I heard a vacuum and followed the sound to a guy vacuuming the clothing area with one of these beasts. By 1st grade I had stayed in from recess to vacuum the classroom with one of them and then also stayed after school to get to vacuum some of the hallways at the school.

One fateful day the school janitor had me come to their office to see the latest toy, the brand new Pro-Team backpack, which they had me put on and vacuum the office with. I loved it as well and wanted one, but the fun was shaded when I asked what this meant for the Pigs that I so loved, and I was sightly heartbroken to learn that they were being phased out. I don't think I ever really forgave backpack vacuums for replacing my beloved beast, even today Ive never been as enthusiastic about the backpacks as I could be and I suspect thats why.

My mom ended up working at the fabric store that had the M-1 and I even got to bring it home to play with, and doing so only intensified my burning desire to have one to myself. When that store closed my mom didn't want to try at all to buy the pig off of them for me and I was upset by that.

I drooled over these every time I saw one and then one day I ran across my Pacific Steamex on Craigslist for $65 and I had to have it. It made me happy but I still had to have the real thing which I do now have. I love my M, M-1 and the Steamex which is a very obvious knockoff, even the fan looks identical, but its a mirrored copy with the motor turning the opposite direction and the fan is a mirrored opposite of the NSS'. It also has a chrome tube coming out of the fan chamber that the bag's metal elbow connector attaches to, and it has the metal rack that has the cord hooks and attachment holder, while the M-1 has the bag connect directly to the fan chamber and a metal rod hangs the bag and has the cord hooks and hose rack.


Post# 262640 , Reply# 54   1/10/2014 at 03:00 (3,731 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I got interested in Pigs when I saw one in the Daycon Janitorial Products catalog when I lived in Wash DC during the 70's-the banks used Pigs after hours for cleaning--So--THATS why the bank closed early!!Watched thru the windows as the janitor in that bank vacuumed the floor and other things with it.So,after drooling over the pictures of the Pig in the Daycon book(have one of those Daycon books somewhere in the boxes of books I have)I worked OT at the radio station get oppertunity-they had a DJ strike so I worked extra hours at the transmitter plant and mowed the towerfeild on OT.I was able to get my first Pig and a commercial Royal metal upright-BEAUTIFUL!!And when the Daycon man brought them to my apartment building--felt special.There was a fleet of Pigs on his truck besides mine-asked the delivoryman where they were going--To the White House!!I have a Proteam backpack vacuum-like you like the Pig so much better.Other Pigs I have were bought from OT and working special jobs at stations fixing their gear and cleaning up their sites-The PIG starred there-One TV transmitter I repaired and cleaned out filled up the Pig paper bag!!Showed that to the station manager.He was shocked!
Another NSS Beauty I want is the Bronco Wet-Dry vac with a HUGE Blue horse logo bag beside its beautifully polished motor housing and SS tank.Still looking for one of those-and a Certified Pile Lifter upright vac.A Pacific Steamex would be another I would like to get-along with the "Ally Cat" vac.Other Pig vacuums I like are the TriStars,Vortechs,Miracle Mates,and Patriot vacuums-other piglike and effective vacuums.Have those.I ordered a Pig for one of the stations I worked at 30 yrs ago-they still have and use it.Does transmitter cleanup duties.


Post# 262641 , Reply# 55   1/10/2014 at 03:10 (3,731 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Theater Pigs-The NSS place in Toledo,Ohio had a contest years back as to who has the oldest and still running Pig-turned out it was a small movie theater in Indiana that had one-the first model-and still in use at the time.The NSS company sent them a new Pig in exchange for their old one.So if that machine was gobbling up popcorn and candy wrappers all that time-can't be all bad.Wouldn't be surprized if the projectionist borrowed the Pig to clean the booth and the projectors!The NSS folks have the trheater Pig in a display case and will demo it to anyone that asks.There was a time a freind was vacuuming his house with my Pig-it ate one of his socks and jammed the huge fan cold.He stopped it right away and was so worried-I cleared the problem with just a screwdriver in five min!We were releived!So surprized it didn't eat that sock.so if something jams the fan cold-that could kill the motor.
Oh yes,glad you were able to find a proper hose for your machine-keep looking and you might find the other parts.So glad there are other Pig Fans here!


Post# 262667 , Reply# 56   1/10/2014 at 10:38 (3,730 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I remember in elementary school the Pigs they were using were definitely early M-1s like mine with the cast metal hanger at the top of the bag rod and the cast metal lower cord hook too, I'd guess early 70s as thats when the school was built. The machines were definitely at least 20-30 years old back in 94-97 until they were replaced. I still think switching to backpacks was a mistake, as good as the Pro-Teams are theres no way one could last 30 years in a commercial use like that!

Post# 262755 , Reply# 57   1/11/2014 at 03:49 (3,730 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Also early Pigs didn't have the brusholder guards extending from the rear bearing housing plate.And of course the "kidney bean" style blue Horse logo dump bag.We all know backpacks are in no way going to last 30 or more years as Pigs can-they can last half a century!The first Pig I bought had the cast bag supports and cord hooks.Still use it!It does have the bearing protectors on it.And new Pigs have the cup like guard around the power switch-guess for two reasons-preventing accidental starting-and breakage of the switch handle lever.

Post# 262776 , Reply# 58   1/11/2014 at 10:15 (3,729 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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From what I was told by NSS, the model M is the older machine with no guard wings over the carbon brush holders and thats the easiest way to differentiate between the M and M-1, there are a few other differences too that I'll compare later on when my M is back together. I've seen many M-1s with the plastic switch cup but mine doesn't have it. My M-1 also has the brush holder guards as all the ones I Remember in school did too. I think my M-1 came from a church (vacuuming pews) or something as it came with the wide upholstery tool and not the wand and rug tool.

Post# 263271 , Reply# 59   1/14/2014 at 04:42 (3,727 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

My older M1 with the cast bag hlder doesn't have the switchguard cup.The NSS folks did sell a "chapel cleaning kit" that could be used with the Pig or Designer Dry vacuums.The kit had everthing need for cleaning-floor tools and attachments-high up wands for cleaning HVAC vents and organ pipe chamber grills.

Post# 263306 , Reply# 60   1/14/2014 at 11:23 (3,726 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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That kit is still listed as such in the accessories catalog. I can't find the 2in hose set for it tho, the type sold to Theatres for cleaning up the trash movie watchers leave everywhere. A good friend of mine in Utah remembers using one sometime in the early 90s I'd guess in an old small town theatre. It was an old gray one with the 2in hose setup and they had the tool I'm using on mine as well as a gulper tool. He preferred the regular tool like mine as it seemed to get the carpet clean while the gulper tool got all the bulk debris it didn't do much for actually cleaning the rugs.

Post# 263395 , Reply# 61   1/15/2014 at 03:41 (3,726 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Nowadays on the Film Tech website-a website for some cinema supplies and a talk forum for theater operators and projectionists-they now say in between shows the cleaners no longer use vacuums-they use leaf blowers to blow the stuff to one part of the auditorium-then shovel it into tash cans or bags.The vacuums would be used for more "detailed" cleaning say during the night when the theater has closed-and done by an outside contractor or janitorial service.The NSS "gulper" tools were used on other NSS vacuums besides the Pigs-they were used a lot for their Wet-dry vacs.Besides theaters the gulpers were good in shps for picking up wood shavings,sawdust,and metal shavings and turnings.Great for metal recycling.Oh yes for the older Bronco vacuums-you could get an attachment kit for the motor unit and a small bag for it so you can use it like a "hip" vacuum-the hose adaptor even had a small snout scrap trap like the pig so heavy stuff wouldn't go into the Bronco motors fan.Sadly these are no longer made.Would love to have an older Bronco outfit!!

Post# 263428 , Reply# 62   1/15/2014 at 11:38 (3,725 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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What my friend told me is that they'd sweep all the trash down the rows and onto the carpeted isle and then vacuum it all up. If it were me I'd have gone down the isle with the gulper nozzle to pick up all the large trash and then switch to the other one and come back up the isle with that to give the rugs a good cleaning. They aught to just use the leaf blowers in vacuum mode and suck it all up! Lol.

That Bronco sounds like a great versatile vacuum. Too bad they are no longer made. I remember in the 90s Granger sold a vac by Tornado that was advertised to do the same things. I loved the idea.


Post# 263546 , Reply# 63   1/16/2014 at 02:47 (3,725 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have the Tornado "Task Force" vacuum-its VERY powerful!Would love the NSS Bronco to go with it-the Bronco is prettier!External filter Wet/Dry vacs don't clog quickly-all of the bag filter area-better than the internal pleated filters.
A concern I would have for cinema cleaning-are you sure you want to blow stuff around with the perfed vinyl screen at the front of the auditorium?the static charge always on screens would attract the fine dust-making you do screen cleaning/replacements more often-some of those screens cost over $6.00 per Sq Ft!Often the back of the screen can be CAREFULLY vacuumed to get the dust off the back-its cloth.Would make sense to use a leafblower that can vacuum-its larger fan could gulp down bigger trash better than the Pig.Plus the blower intake tubes are like 4" diameter.The cinema cleaning we are talking about is that between showings-you may only have 15-20 min to do it.So the method has to be quick.The more thorough cleaning would be done after the theater has closed for the night.And yes,there are services that can clean theater screens.Its not cheap to have done-but cheaper than getting a new screen.And the theater may have to be down for up to several days or so to have the screen replaced.A screen can last thru several cleanings-what helps prolong their lives is not allowing smoking in the auditoriums.And for digital projection the perfs are smaller or arranged in a different pattern than for film projection so the perfs don't show by "aliasing" with the digital pixels.


Post# 263687 , Reply# 64   1/17/2014 at 12:21 (3,723 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Something I know very little about. But I do know that I'd prefer not to blow all the dirt around in the air as that just doesn't sound clean.

Post# 263825 , Reply# 65   1/18/2014 at 02:42 (3,723 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

If I had to do the theater cleaning I wouldn't want to blow the debris around either for the reasons I mentioned-and may not be healthy for you,either.What "stuff" lurks in that cinema debris??I would prefer to vacuum it up as well.Guess some theater cleaners don't do it that way-guess they feel the "blow&shovel" the stuff is faster.I would try using the Pig and or Leaf blowers in the suction mode-but keep in mind leaf blower vacuum bags don't have the filtration the Pig's bag has.Be good if someone made up a bag for the blowers that would filter better than their stock bags designed to vacuum leaves and garden debris.

Post# 263842 , Reply# 66   1/18/2014 at 09:26 (3,722 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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That's true, the genuine NSS paper. Age actually do filter pretty well as they are lined. And the cloth bag is very dense on mine, I'd imagine it alone does fairly well on filtration.

Post# 264309 , Reply# 67   1/21/2014 at 05:18 (3,719 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Leaf blower bags that I have are almost netlike in appearence-so any fine dust will blow thru-remember these were meant to be used outside for vacuuming leaves-not for theater or other indoor cleaning.Yes,the filter bags for the Pig are far better in filtration than leafblower bags.Esp if you use the paper bag in the cloth outer one.At one time NSS-when they had the "Horse" logo dump bags and the zipper top cloth ones for the paper bags.I have two types of dump bag-the standard denum style dump bag-and a thicker "woolen" style bag for better filtration-the woolen bag was recommened if you used the pig for boiler tube cleaning.The Bronco could be used for that,too.The woolen bags trapped ash better.I don't use these bags-just have them in my collection and keeping them clean.

Post# 264387 , Reply# 68   1/21/2014 at 16:39 (3,719 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I've got the woolen type bag on my M-1 and my M has the denim bag, but it seems like in some areas at least it has more than one layer.

Post# 264436 , Reply# 69   1/22/2014 at 02:29 (3,719 days old) by bespiritu ()        
how do you get an aftermarket power nozzle to nss m-1 pig

Sorry guys am new to the forum and thread. I personally saw the pig also when I was in junior high and found them to be really cool. I did find a pig on craigslist and picked it up as quick as I could. Anyway wanted to find out how to connect a power nozzle to the pig.



Post# 264438 , Reply# 70   1/22/2014 at 03:00 (3,719 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Denin bag material NSS used was thicker than usual denim cloth.Even it trapped dirt and dust really well-you just had to dump the bag after each use.
For the problem of Pigs and powernozzles-A few things-does the Pig you obtained have the power nozzle "pigtail" cord on the back of the motor housing?If not you can't use it with a powernozzle unless you provide another source of power for your powernozzle-and the powernozzle should be able to fit 1.5" commercial vac hoses and wands-1.25" residentual powernozzles won't fit unless you get adaptors.The NSS power nozzle kit was $375 when I bought mine to go with the NSS Pig Carpet Vacuum.That is the model that has the powernozzle connection.It is a 15A 120V DIN type connector(same as on the back of your computer)I am sure the price of the powernozzle kit is higher-bought mine about 20 yrs ago.You can experiment with ways to connect powernozzles to your machine-if you can get 1.5" commercial turbonozzles you could use that.Have seen one cleaning contactor that used Pigs and he had 1.5" air turbine type nozzle that ran from the Pig airflow.Don't remember what the brand of that nozzle was.Was large,heavy plastic,white in color and had beater bars besides brushstrips.When I tried his it worked really well.That would be a good option for a Pig without the powernozzle connector.


Post# 264546 , Reply# 71   1/23/2014 at 11:43 (3,717 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I'd love to find out what sort of turbonozzle you used. I've seen Turbocats with a wand that was 1.5in but at the very end where it connected to the head it went down to the smaller 1.25in size. Could that be it? Generally I don't miss a PN much, as it moves so much air that I can hear it deep cleaning all the sand and grit from deep in the carpet. The nozzle I have been using does well on surface cleaning too even lint and hair comes up easily. Eventually I plan on replacing the nozzle shoes on it with the lint lifter version which just have a bunch of cuts in the back shoe that give it the same kind of combing and fuzz/hair grabbing ability that the gleaner bar on the old Lux rug tools have. The nozzle with the way the shoes have an edge on the inside that let them kind of grab the fibers and pull them up like a brush might do, so it even grooms the nap too. It really seems to clean well. I'm wondering how well it really is doing tho, so I'm thinking tonight I might use my Big Power right after I use the pig to see how dirty the water gets. I might also use the 2 speed E Series too. I know it'll be a water filter vac tho.

Post# 264622 , Reply# 72   1/24/2014 at 02:43 (3,717 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have Turbocat air powered nozzles-they will work on the Pig with adaptors-but not real well-the Turbocats seem like they were designed for 1.25" residential canister vacuums that have LOW CFM but higher suction "pressure"The tool that cleaning contractor had did have the 1.5 connector. there were no adpators.Kept asking the man where he got the nozzle he was using but couldn't get an answer.Wanted one.I have a heavy plastic powernozzle sort of like what that man had-but mine is for 1.25" hoses and wands.It will work on the Pig but slowly.Will have to look at it to see what brand it is-think it was the forerunner to Turbocats.I have the White colored Turbocat and a white one.They work really well on my Nilfisk GS80 vacuum.The Nilfisk has become another favorite of mine along with the Pig.I am planning on getting the straight suction NSS carpet tools from the dealer in the near future.Would like to try one.On my DEEP pile carpet-bet its going to be a workout.

Post# 264646 , Reply# 73   1/24/2014 at 12:36 (3,716 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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Make sure you get a lint lifter tool, that will give you the best results. The tool really doesn't push very hard at all. It glides over the carpet very well. The only time it's hard to push is on small light rughs that the surface of the rug seals to the tool, like some of mom's braided rugs or the bathroom rugs. Regular carpet is fine.

Post# 264700 , Reply# 74   1/25/2014 at 02:57 (3,716 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Will have to go thru my NSS catalog and website-remember they have several "flavors" of carpet floor tools for Pig and their other vacuums that can use the same tools.Would like to consider the 12" or smaller width if they have it-better for homes where you have lots of furniture and other stuff to vacuum around.The bigger tools are for commercial areas-that are larger and less furniture.I don't have any small rugs or bathroom ones so the tool should be OK.In the summertime here-the humidity makes bathroom mats feel like you are stepping on a damp swampy thing-don't like it-and they don't dry out well here despite I use an air conditioner.Bathrooms in my place don't have exhaust blowers like other homes I have lived in.

Post# 264708 , Reply# 75   1/25/2014 at 09:42 (3,715 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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They make the lint lifter in a 12in version as well as a 16. The plain shoe tool I've got is a 16 and I have a 12in magnesium shoe tool as well. The lint lifter is definitely the way to go if you want the vac to pick up lint and hair and stuff well. You'd be surprised how easily the wider one moves around between furniture and stuff. I didn't get to choose what I got as a friend gave it to me but I was happy just to get a rug tool better for my carpet.

Post# 264789 , Reply# 76   1/26/2014 at 03:19 (3,715 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

A tool gotten for free is best-becuase NSS tools are EXPENSIVE!So I will need to choose the one I need-haven't looked yet.Suppose their website would have the best and most up to date information-My NSS tool catalog is many years old.I am sure if the "lint lifter" tool helps pick up lint&hair-it will help pick up other stuff,too.Glad you were able to get the floor tool you needed at the RIGHT price!

Post# 265058 , Reply# 77   1/28/2014 at 09:45 (3,712 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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And I got the other rug nozzle and wand used for $60 so I saved a lot there too. The only thing I've bought new from an NSS dealer was the bag clip. The hose was $30 off eBay and is in great shape. And the machine was only $25, which I still am pinching myself over! But lucky finds and cheap deals are what made the majority of my collection.

Post# 265158 , Reply# 78   1/29/2014 at 05:17 (3,711 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Used commercial type vacuums and parts are not easy to find on the open used market-usually they used to their deaths.Of course there is EBay and Craigslist-don't use either becuase there is just too many shisters and high price fixers on both.Glad you have good luck.I just don't like using those sources.Too risky to me.

Post# 265187 , Reply# 79   1/29/2014 at 10:56 (3,711 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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On Craigslist I find it harder to get ripped off since if I think the price is too high I'll skip over the add, then I show up with cash. eBay is something I'm careful with, and I always use paypal so if the seller tried to screw me over I have some buyer protections. The vast majority of my collection was found locally on CL, thrift stores, work or otherwise.

Post# 265495 , Reply# 80   1/31/2014 at 03:29 (3,710 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Maybe Craigslist might be OK-but I am staying away from EBay.

Post# 269663 , Reply# 81   2/28/2014 at 00:05 (3,682 days old) by bespiritu ()        

power nozzle accessory cable

Hi guys,

I just figured out that I was able to look at the manuals of the power nozzle and it looks like that it does use a AC extension cable which is used for a computer application. I was also able to figure out how to get power after the switch and had a hole drilled to accomodate the wire. This alleviates the need for wiring the power nozzle to a wall outlet. You are also able to rewire your power nozzles with AC computer cables also. I am waiting for some other parts to finish it but it should be done in the next week or two.



Post# 323937 , Reply# 82   5/2/2015 at 19:56 (3,253 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas)        
Pig on Craigslist

I have seen one on Craigslist Austin for months. The price is slowly going down. Now at $399. Look for it.


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