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Post# 211746   12/30/2012 at 07:39 (4,107 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Today I acquired courtesy of Ebay, A very rare and original, unmolested Pumpkin and Seal-Greige Hoover Junior 1346 made in March 1967.
These are the very first of the 1346 line which ran from 1967 to 1970, and to see one on EBay made me very excited as they were only made in this colourway for less than a year, and only in 1967.
It was owned by an elderly lady who passed away and her family were selling her possessions. I also got the complete toolkit for it which looks hardly used.

The cleaner will need a good clean up and new belt and bag, but what a find, right on my doorstep. I gave the seller £20 even though it only went for £6.50 on Ebay, and he had the tools which weren't originally listed with the vac.

The motor runs beautifully and the brushroll has good brush length. I'd say it has the original cable and outer bag.

Here are the pics as it is now, pre-cleanup.



Post# 211747 , Reply# 1   12/30/2012 at 07:40 (4,107 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

side view:


Post# 211748 , Reply# 2   12/30/2012 at 07:42 (4,107 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Showing the bag latch of the model 1334, which was replaced a couple of years later by the non removable type bag and bellows

Post# 211749 , Reply# 3   12/30/2012 at 07:44 (4,107 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The ID plate, showing the earliest instance of the hoover dating system where the model number is followed by the year and month of manufacture - in this case March 1967

Post# 211750 , Reply# 4   12/30/2012 at 07:45 (4,107 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Showing the complete package with the toolset attached

Post# 211752 , Reply# 5   12/30/2012 at 07:57 (4,107 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Congratulations on finding such a fine example of those indeed rare Juniors.

It's a shame the box for the tools is worn and a bit damaged but that comes with being the age it is. The box for my Senior's tools must be about the same age (the box states they are for the 6525 model) and it is in a bit worse condition.

The actual tools are mint however and the hose still stretches all the way to the top of my stairs even after about 45 years. That's Hoover quality for you.


Post# 211756 , Reply# 6   12/30/2012 at 08:21 (4,106 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Jamie - the 6525 was the last of the 652 range and ran into the mid 70's, well into the Ranger's lifespan. I have the 6525 model pictured here on the far right - it was dated 1974 so the toolkit you have would be nearly 40 years old. The Ranger and the 6525 were the same cleaner essentially, they just had different hoods.

Post# 211797 , Reply# 7   12/30/2012 at 12:39 (4,106 days old) by motojoejo (MO)        

I love those colors together.

Post# 211800 , Reply# 8   12/30/2012 at 13:00 (4,106 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Thank you for correcting me Steve.

Post# 211803 , Reply# 9   12/30/2012 at 14:05 (4,106 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Wow, I love juniors, lol I've just tried one of mine ( the 1354a) on only 12volts! But my other one from the 80's is bad, the motor just went really stiff one day and now doesn't work for some reason.

Post# 211833 , Reply# 10   12/30/2012 at 16:32 (4,106 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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It sounds like your Junior suffered either a failed motor bearing or the commutator got damaged.

Post# 211906 , Reply# 11   12/31/2012 at 06:27 (4,106 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

If I can find out how to get into the motor then I'll have a look into it

Post# 211920 , Reply# 12   12/31/2012 at 06:52 (4,106 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

That looks lovely, good find!

Post# 211976 , Reply# 13   12/31/2012 at 16:21 (4,105 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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It is ever so easy to get to the motors on the old Hoovers, it is just a matter of removing screws.

Post# 211985 , Reply# 14   12/31/2012 at 17:17 (4,105 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yeah but I can't get to out of the hoover! Do I have to prize it out or something?

Post# 212030 , Reply# 15   1/1/2013 at 02:32 (4,105 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Juniors have 4 screws holding the motor in - the 2 at the top are easy to get to - but to do the ones underneath - depending on model - you have to remove the capacitor, the rear wheels and axle, and the power switch housing, and use a long shafted Philips head screwdriver to reach the bottom screws. Getting them back in is fun as well. You also need to seal the fan chamber with some silicone when replacing the motor, or it will leak.
Take the motor casing off by undoing the 3 screws and separating the 2 halves. Then clean and lube the bearings by removing the armature from the field coil housing. Oil the end bearing rather than greasing it as it is not a roller or ball bearing and must be oiled. Oil the front bearing as well.

Juniors are much more of a pain to service than Seniors due to the motor being in a plastic housing, which is screwed to the main body, and 2 of the screws are a pain to get to without the right tools.


Post# 212033 , Reply# 16   1/1/2013 at 05:03 (4,105 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Thanks, ill try that and let you know how i get on!

Post# 212036 , Reply# 17   1/1/2013 at 05:27 (4,105 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If you take the motor casing out and remove the 3 casing screws, the casing will split into 2 halves. Remove the nuts and bolts from the end bearing housing, and the 2 screws from the front bearing clamp. The carbon brushes should also be removed from their housings or they will spring out when you slide the armature and commutator out. Once the armature is removed, you can easily get to the front bearing to clean it and oil it so it spins freely again. They do get very stiff from lack of use, or corrosion setting in.
Take care with the wiring and connections as they can get fragile and snap or shear off!
Also check the fan for damage, they are metal fans and take a real hammering before they fracture. What is so great about vintage Hoovers is that you can strip the motor right down to its component parts for servicing. Try doing that on a Dyson motor - about the only thing you can do on a Dyson YDK screamer motor is change the brushes.


Post# 212037 , Reply# 18   1/1/2013 at 05:40 (4,105 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Also, the end bearing should slide snugly over the commutator shaft, and any excessive play here will indicate that the bearing is worn - most likely there will be wear, as every one I have taken apart has not been a very snug fit, with wear evident from lack of oil. These bearings can still be obtained, as they were the same for the 1334, 1346, and U1036 (flat belt) ranges (see Link) The Yourspares (Qualtex) site can supply most stuff you will need for your Junior.

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Post# 212042 , Reply# 19   1/1/2013 at 06:49 (4,105 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Hi there, thanks but I've just tried it and the motor will not come out of the vac. One screw will not budge at all, and the end is sheared off. I'll try again sometime, probably tomorrow. I'm currently restoring and rebuilding a Siemens super vac from the 50's/60's. will make a new thread about it when the top motor casing is repainted !


Post# 212164 , Reply# 20   1/2/2013 at 01:15 (4,104 days old) by citation101 ()        

hi, im trying to find any hoover senior and ranger or powerplus parts , in good or bad shape, im in need of some lids or motor covers and or chassis

Post# 212172 , Reply# 21   1/2/2013 at 03:43 (4,104 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

To the person wanting to remove a motor from a Junior, one of the most useful things about the Junior was the fact that the same motor casings were used from 1959 until around 1980, and then continued with a design change to the carbon brush recess until production ended in the later part of the 1980's. Because of this, you should be able to easily find another motor, and then remove yours with brute force, such as a hammer. Once it is out, you can soak the tight screws in WD40 and then removes them with a set of locking grips like a Mole Grip. As long as the orange gasket around the fan is in good order, you will only need silicone if you were to take out the front mounting plate, as silicon would be needed to seal that part to the hood- but removal is something which you would rarely need to do.

Post# 212173 , Reply# 22   1/2/2013 at 04:45 (4,104 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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If only modern vacuums were as easy to fix and keep going for year after year eh?

I think the Juniors and Seniors must be the two most common vintage machines still in daily use by non-collectors due to the fact they clean so well and are easy to repair.


Post# 212202 , Reply# 23   1/2/2013 at 12:41 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Well, I succeeded on getting the motor out of the junior, it was packed with rubbish, the top bearing was literally frozen, I took some pics, here is the motor open full of hair:

Post# 212203 , Reply# 24   1/2/2013 at 12:42 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

The hair was packed in the top like a brick!

Post# 212204 , Reply# 25   1/2/2013 at 12:43 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

The brushes are really short!

Post# 212205 , Reply# 26   1/2/2013 at 12:43 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

That bearing wouldn't budge!

Post# 212206 , Reply# 27   1/2/2013 at 12:44 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

The motor armature, notice all the hair wrapped around underneath the fan

Post# 212207 , Reply# 28   1/2/2013 at 12:45 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

The coil holder thing is all rusty

Post# 212263 , Reply# 29   1/2/2013 at 20:20 (4,103 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

well done on getting the motor out - the fact that it is full of hair and dust is fairly typical for a well worn Junior motor.
Just goes to show what happens to them if you don't get them serviced occasionally.
The carbons have a bit of life in them yet - as they aren't all that long when new - being only a low power motor, they don't need to be as substantial as Dyson carbons.
The belt spindle is worn badly though, and this will need replacing, just like the round belted versions, the spindles wear badly on Juniors and the belts snap much quicker the more worn the spindles get.

Keep up the good work and I'm sure your Junior will be up and running again in no time - as good as new!

They just need some TLC occasionally, that's all.

All the parts you will need are still available from Yourspares.
The rear bearing doesn't turn - its not designed to - just pour some oil into it - light machine oil or 2 in one oil.


Post# 212271 , Reply# 30   1/2/2013 at 20:48 (4,103 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Do any of you Britons remember exactly when Hoover changed the color of the faceplate from Pumpkin Orange to Dark Seal Greige? October 1967 (look for: 1346710xxxxx)?

~Ben


Post# 212319 , Reply# 31   1/3/2013 at 03:47 (4,103 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Ben, are you asking us a question there or are you telling use some information?

Post# 212322 , Reply# 32   1/3/2013 at 05:44 (4,103 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yeah the motor spindle is terrible, I'll hAve a job getting it all back together again though, all the electrical connectors/clips have come out!

Post# 212325 , Reply# 33   1/3/2013 at 06:06 (4,103 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I did warn you to be careful with the wires and connectors - they can be fragile, and any rough treatment will cause them to break. Always make notes of what wires came from where, until you know your way around a Junior motor.
You may decide that its not worth repairing that motor as it is very worn, use it for a teaching lesson on how they are put together.
Junior motors sometimes come up for sale on Ebay, so you may find a donor machine or motor for your Junior.

Nice try anyway for having a go at seeing why your motor seized up!


Post# 212847 , Reply# 34   1/6/2013 at 04:26 (4,100 days old) by hoover119dude (england)        

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hi all. i just enjoy reading all the posts ans seeing all the different collections. i hope to get pics of mine on here soon. a practicly mint hoover junior 119 all original w/tools and boxes. a vactric silent Q and a vactric junior R45. would like to talk to other collectors here in england. guess i am the only one in my neck of the woods who collects.

Post# 324679 , Reply# 35   5/12/2015 at 04:00 (3,244 days old) by nazard (Paris, France)        

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Hi
Would like to know if this bag bellow Hoover U1036 would be suitable for Hoover Senior 652
www.appliancespareswarehouse.co.u...


Post# 324696 , Reply# 36   5/12/2015 at 14:09 (3,243 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
It should fit

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without any problems.
John


Post# 324720 , Reply# 37   5/12/2015 at 17:52 (3,243 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

No, it's a totally different part. All the Senior cleaners had the same bellows, but there were several styles for the Junior, of which the U1036 is one. And none of the juniors fits the senior.

This is for the senior:


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Post# 324756 , Reply# 38   5/13/2015 at 10:43 (3,242 days old) by nazard (Paris, France)        

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Is there compatible parts for both 652 and 612 ? (brush strips, pulley, etc...)


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