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Post# 210913   12/23/2012 at 08:17 (2,655 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if I could get some help from you all in deciding on a secondary vacuum for my home? My 4 month old house is about 4,000 sq. ft without the unfinished basement so there is a LOT of floor to clean! My main level is all hardwood floors and wool area rugs with the exception of my family room which has a frieze carpet. I also have a dog who sheds and loves nothing more than to climb up on every sofa when we're not home and leave evidence behind. It's a good thing she's cute!
My main vacuum is a Dirt Devil 990 Pro Series central vacuum system with the Wessel Werk Edge Power nozzle. It does an AMAZING job deep cleaning the rugs...if you hold the hose up to your ear you can hear all sorts of crap going through it. However, when I just want to clean the sofa, family room rug, and's a bit overkill to get the vac hose from the garage, clean, switch outlets twice(not the best placements done by builder), and wind hose back up to put away.
So, I've been using my Miele Twist upright in between weekly cleanings to keep things spruced up. The Miele has great suction but I don't think it does the best job grooming the rugs despite the kuddos from Consumer Reports and my excellent previous experiences with Miele vacs. It's also fairly heavy and requires expensive bag/filter replacements. With that said, I'm thinking about selling it if I can find a suitable replacement that would
-deep clean rugs well and have a brushroll shut off to do a quick clean of bare floors
- have an on-board hose to clean dog hair off the furniture
- inexpensive bag replacement or bagless with filters I can clean myself
- if possible - no disgusting dog odors when cleaning
- prefer to keep it under $300

I know, this has been quite the list of requirements but I figured this is one of the best places to get sound advice. Thanks in advance!

Post# 210914 , Reply# 1   12/23/2012 at 08:28 (2,655 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
How about

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A eureka smartvac? they are a little bulky but the wide floor suction tube gives it great airflow at the nozzle

Post# 210916 , Reply# 2   12/23/2012 at 09:09 (2,655 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Thanks so much for the recommendation! I have read good things about that model with the exception of belts slipping. I think I may want something a little less bulky as that's one of the more annoying quirks of the Miele Twist...that IS a bulky machine!

Post# 210917 , Reply# 3   12/23/2012 at 09:19 (2,655 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Oreck Axis

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Todays special value on QVC It`s just like the Pilot and its $199.99 free shipping .

I have two Pilots and Frieze carpet they do a great job .

Aerus Guardian Upright works well also I use that .

My all time Favorite is the Kirby Sentria II or Diamond edition but they are bulky .

Post# 210918 , Reply# 4   12/23/2012 at 09:22 (2,655 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

That's too funny...actually saw that Oreck on tv this morning. However, it doesn't have a hose and dog hair quickly gathers on the sofa. My parents had an Electroux Epic 3500 when I was in college and I remember it worked well but again, no hose. See why I had to come to you guys...who knew this would be so tough haha

Post# 210919 , Reply# 5   12/23/2012 at 09:31 (2,655 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
You could

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always buy a small canister . The Aerus does have attachments available. I have a Aerus Lux 4000 that has tools onboard that im selling for $250.00 plus shipping .

Post# 210926 , Reply# 6   12/23/2012 at 11:21 (2,655 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I always say this, go to a good vacuum shop and have a look for yourself, try them out yourself, asking some one what vacuum to buy is like asking some one what car to buy, you need to try them out for yourself. Some people Love a Kirby and think its the best vacuum ever some find it to heavy and think a rainbow is better, the best way to choose a good vacuum is to go and try them out for yourself, If you look after it even a $35.00 Bissell will last you a few years

Post# 210960 , Reply# 7   12/23/2012 at 15:09 (2,655 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Panasonic Canister

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The Panasonic MCCG902 is a basic trusted design canister. Lots of suction, strong agitation. 4 on board tools. Standard universal hose end will also accept most other manufacuters attachments to include most likely all of your Dirt Devil Central vacuum attachments. The Kenmore/ Panasonic electric hose will also accept the PowerMate Jr. You can get them new through Panasonic or also find some on eBay and most likely your local vacuum store as well. Hose grip has 3 way on/off switch to control all motors and turn off power head as well. You can keep the power head attached to its own wand system and most likely use bare floor wand set from your central vac. There is a quick disconnect system on the wands with the powernozzle but I recommend using a separate set of wands and not using that connection all of the time as I would recommend with any manufacturer with a quick disconnect. It's a nice convenient feature but something to potentially go wrong in the future as well.

The Panasonic will utilize a variety of bags from several manufacturers available in Micron paper or HEPA cloth. It will fit Kenmore and Panasonic canister bags.

Another option, its on eBay now, but often the Royal Lexon SR30020 canister vacuum appears on eBay at $300 I highly recommend that vacuum but its regular retail price is about $500.


Post# 210972 , Reply# 8   12/23/2012 at 15:47 (2,655 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

For the Panasonic 902. Works well and will run for years without issue if taken care of.

Post# 210990 , Reply# 9   12/23/2012 at 16:41 (2,655 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        

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I would like to add my support for the Panasonic 902. But I'd like to suggest some USED high-end machines like a Filter Queen, Tri Star, Air Storm or Air Way.

Post# 210991 , Reply# 10   12/23/2012 at 16:43 (2,655 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

I second Rob Shore's recommendation for the Panasonic PN canister.

Post# 210995 , Reply# 11   12/23/2012 at 17:35 (2,655 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Kenmore version of the Panasonic MCCG902 PN canister.


Post# 211037 , Reply# 12   12/23/2012 at 21:03 (2,655 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Eureka "The Boss" 1934B upright

Post# 211045 , Reply# 13   12/23/2012 at 22:24 (2,655 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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If you don't mind the expense, and you really want a multi-surface vac that is not bulky like the SmartVac, you should try the Sebo Felix. It's an upright that can be turned into an over the shoulder canister and you can get a variety of attachments to suit your specific needs. Not sure if it will deep clean like the Panasonic 902, but it's worth a try! :-)

Post# 211047 , Reply# 14   12/23/2012 at 22:32 (2,655 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Consumer Reports has listed the Sebo Felix Premium as a "Recommended" buy. Though it costs about $600, it really is a great sleek easy to use vacuum. Here's a summary of what they discovered during testing:

CARPET CLEANING: The Sebo Felix Premium does a very good job of removing the embedded mixture of sand and powder from our soiled test carpets. This is a measure of how well a vacuum removes the dirt hidden deep in the carpet and not visible to the user's eye.

BARE FLOOR: The Sebo does an excellent job of removing sand from our vinyl floor, leaving very little behind and not scattering sand across the floor.

PET HAIR: This model does an excellent job at picking up pet hair from carpets using its power head. The visual inspection of the test carpet following the pet hair test reveals no traces of pet hair left behind and very little pet hair caught in the brush roll.

USABILITY: This unique and light design with a swiveling head makes it easy to maneuver and clean under furniture. Its method for changing the bag is also a plus as it is easily installed from the top of the vacuum. The on/off switch also controls suction with a convenient slider on the handle. The manual carpet-height adjustment that allows for a better match to the carpet is a dial on the power head that requires the user to bend.

Post# 211050 , Reply# 15   12/23/2012 at 23:12 (2,655 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Here's a nice Youtube clip showing some of the features of the Sebo Felix Premium. You can buy an optional extension hose and mini turbo nozzle to do your furniture with ease. Love the expandability of this versatile vac!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK

Post# 211051 , Reply# 16   12/23/2012 at 23:17 (2,655 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Orange Kenmore and Red Panasonic are a little different!!

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Red Panasonic MCCG902:
--Larger bag capacity
--4 piece original Kenmore attachment set--upholstery nozzle is full width and has firm bristles that are great on pet hair
--CT18DX power nozzle
-- Much better grade plastic
--Numerous Panasonic Authorized Warranty Dealers
--Full front access carry handle on canister.
--Full wrap around absorbent furniture guard on suction unit

Orange Kenmore 29319:
-- Air driven mini turbo brush included
--3 piece attachment set, to include cheap version combo upholstery & dusting brush. bristles on this dusting brush feel like agitator bristles they are not for delicate dusting by any means. Upholstery nozzle is quite small with no bristles, rubber fingers or even grooved plastic to better grab dirt.
-- CenTec CT20DXQD power head-- many complaints of rear wheels breaking off rear axle
--Suction unit carry handle is awkward-- grab from bottom only
--Primarily Sears only for warranty repairs

Both machines use the same bag, but the compartment on the orange Kenmore is smaller and will only allow the paper bag to fill about 2/3 of the way, the rest of the bag has to be folded in to fit. The red Panasonic however, the bag compartment is actually larger than the paper bag, Kenmore HEPA bags are huge and work well in this unit.

Here is a link on eBay to the Panasonic MCCG902 predecessor. It is model MCCG973. Brand new in box in this listing. Same vac except for color and power nozzle. The power nozzle on this MCCG973 is the CenTec CT14DXQD. This power nozzle is liked by many in the industry. It was around in the 1980's, they have made some tweaks to it with motor changes, cogged belt to serpentine belt, ridges in front for better airflow and new wooden chevron designed agitator.

Another option, pictured below is: If you want more features you may also look to the Panasonic MCCG917. This can be still under $300. It is rated to be a quieter unit from the 902 with a new design from Panasonic where the bag sits in a removable basket inside the bag chamber to allow more continuous airflow. Also includes air turbine hand tool, variable speed motor, and aluminum telescoping wands. Combo upholstery & dusting brush instead of 2 separate.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK on eBay

Post# 211052 , Reply# 17   12/23/2012 at 23:33 (2,655 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Why did Panasonic make the Kenmore version so chintzy for Sears? Thanks.

Post# 211060 , Reply# 18   12/24/2012 at 03:28 (2,655 days old) by lunchboxsean ()        
Two Words...

Hoover Elite. Cheap, simple, good suction, great carpet grooming, onboard tools, lightweight, ultra reliable, cheap parts, easy to work on... Can't believe no one's said it yet. Two more words. Nuf Sed. Heres a link to a commercial one well within your price range.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO lunchboxsean's LINK

Post# 211074 , Reply# 19   12/24/2012 at 07:36 (2,654 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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But Sean, I don't think you can shut off the brush roll on an Elite. This could scratch bare floors and cause lots of jams when accidentally sucking up plastic bags or socks hidden under furniture. Better to try out one of the newer Hoover uprights that allow you to shut off the brush roll when cleaning bare floors...:-)

Post# 211085 , Reply# 20   12/24/2012 at 11:06 (2,654 days old) by sanitairered (Michigan)        
I would recommend...

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The Shark Navigator Pro. I own one, and it is a VERY effective machine. Also, it seems to match all of the needs you described. Give it a shot, I got mine for under $200 at Wal-Mart

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Post# 211089 , Reply# 21   12/24/2012 at 12:29 (2,654 days old) by ocscott3085 (DMV)        

Thanks so much guys! I forgot to mention that I have a Miele canister sitting in my basement from my last house so I guess I was leaning towards an upright with brushroll shut-off. I'm starting to consider a Shark Navigator because I have a 20% off coupon at Bed Bath & Beyond along with a $75 gift card. Now I just need to see if I can unload the Miele Twist or Canister for a decent amount of money. I'm thinking I need to hold on to one bagged machine due to the DISGUSTING process of emptying the Central Vac every few months. You all are awesome!

Post# 211094 , Reply# 22   12/24/2012 at 15:13 (2,654 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Kenmore PN canister in lime green. This one does not have the quick release wands.


Post# 211095 , Reply# 23   12/24/2012 at 15:20 (2,654 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Shark Rotator Lift Away.


Post# 211096 , Reply# 24   12/24/2012 at 15:22 (2,654 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Shark Rotator XL Reach.


Post# 211113 , Reply# 25   12/24/2012 at 22:35 (2,654 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
There is a Miele at future shop

For $299. A canister

Post# 211114 , Reply# 26   12/24/2012 at 22:53 (2,654 days old) by mieles7 (DFW, TX)        

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Beerad, are you talking about this one? This seems more like a hard floors vacuum, and he already has a miele canister.


Post# 211120 , Reply# 27   12/25/2012 at 01:20 (2,654 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Hoover Windtunnel T series with brush roll shut off, cord re

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I love Hoover Elites but I don't see a match for that model to his description. Elite does not have brush roll shut off for doing bare floors. Hose is short so even attaching wands with a bare floor brush isn't a good idea with that machine assuming it even takes tools. Many of the Commercial Elites do not come with an onboard tool set and the door that was on household models for tool attachment is a belt storage area on many of the commercial Elites. I also don't see the Elite powering an air turbine hand tool very well.

For an upright and possibly bagless I would look at the Windtunnel T Rewind bagless or bagged. Friends of mine had one at their house. The dirt cup was overfilled and the cyclone was covered dust-- so I was expecting it not to work. I WAS SO WRONG!!! That vacuum was AWESOME>> I was blown away by the suction power. Most of the T Series machines have brush roll shut off and come with air turbine tool. Here is a link to a similar model on eBay, I will contact them for the exact model number that they have. I'm not a bagless fan otherwise I probably would have gotten that vac off of them!!.

Please remember that I am biased towards canisters!! I think it should mean a lot that I'm posting an upright. I am a power nozzle canister nut and uprights are ok but not really my thing. So I would be ULTRA KNIT PICKY in selecting one. So even though I'm TOTALLY for you getting a power nozzle canister such as the Royal or Panasonic above, in the end it is your vacuum and you know your needs!!


Post# 211130 , Reply# 28   12/25/2012 at 09:43 (2,653 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Hey Rob!

Good advice here....but Scott should be aware that there are some differences between the Hoover Bagless Rewind T-Series Uprights in the 70100 model series and the 70200 series. The 70100 series does not have brush roll on/off pedal for bare floor cleaning, whereas the 70200 series does. BUT: Consumer Reports found that the ones without the brush roll on/off pedal (70100 series) actually perform better - better carpet cleaning, easier to use (lighter in weight by one pound), and better airflow thru the hose for tool use. They are also on average less expensive than the ones with the brush roll on/off pedal.

Though the Shark Professional Lift Away and Rotator is a great choice, Consumer Reports found that it was only "fair" in pet hair removal from carpets - and our friend has a dog.

I still say Scott's best bet is a Sebo Felix Premium - though is costs a hefty $600. But is would seem to answer all his needs and is a very lightweight easy-to-use vac with a 35 foot cord.

Post# 211139 , Reply# 29   12/25/2012 at 10:22 (2,653 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Cheaper Felix

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I'm not sure if they have the variable speed control, but maybe other than that the Windsor Axcess is just a rebadged Sebo Felix.


Post# 211151 , Reply# 30   12/25/2012 at 14:08 (2,653 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Hoover WindTunnel bagged self propelled upright.


Post# 211152 , Reply# 31   12/25/2012 at 14:11 (2,653 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Hoover WindTunnel bagged non-self propelled upright.


Post# 211153 , Reply# 32   12/25/2012 at 14:21 (2,653 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Hoover WindTunnel bagged PN canister.


Post# 211154 , Reply# 33   12/25/2012 at 14:25 (2,653 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Hoover Duros bagged PN canister.


Post# 211156 , Reply# 34   12/25/2012 at 14:29 (2,653 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)        

how about a tristar?

Post# 211175 , Reply# 35   12/25/2012 at 23:13 (2,653 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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I can't recommend Sebo. They are made very well, very quiet and good suction.

However, I found them to be extremely non user friendly and the worst cleaning power heads. They can't handle anything outside of a low profile rug. Anything with any kind of nap and you can forget about having the Sebo clean it. The brush roll circuit board turns the unit off right away. It won't let you use the vacuum normally.

So I have to definitely say, that if you want to use a vacuum normally and actually have clean results in the end then avoid Sebo!!

As far as Windtunnel T uprights, I've noticed that there are several different brush rolls for the units. Some use the "Dirt Devil" style brush rolls. All the tufts touch eachother, they're bleach white and cut short. Good cleaning but not a deep cleaning agitator. Some use a Hoover style auger brush roll. Small gaps between strong bristle tufts, cut long and groom and clean very well!! I would look for a model with the Hoover style bristles.

Post# 211176 , Reply# 36   12/25/2012 at 23:43 (2,653 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        
Hoover windtunnel self propelled.

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I have a Hoover windtunnel self propelled that I love to death. I have all hardwood as well with two area rugs and it works great on every single floor or carpet I have used it on. I got mine at sears for 189.00 with a three year warranty and I got an extra two year warranty through sears so that's five years total.

Post# 211177 , Reply# 37   12/25/2012 at 23:55 (2,653 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Hoover WindTunnel Air Extended Reach bagless upright from HSN. I heard great things about these machines.


Post# 211766 , Reply# 38   12/30/2012 at 09:04 (2,648 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
Pardon the snarkiness, but ...

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... you have a 4,000 square foot house and you don't have a pantry or broom closet to store your vacuum, other than out in the garage?

Post# 211778 , Reply# 39   12/30/2012 at 09:59 (2,648 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Hi Rob! Which Sebo power head are you referring to? The only Sebo upright rated highly by Consumer Reports is the Felix Premium. I think this model uses a simpler power head which does not have an electronic height adjustment mechanism. It uses a manual dial to adjust the height. Consumer Reports tested it on medium plush carpeting and gave it a "very good" rating for carpet cleaning. The other Sebos did not clean carpet well.

Post# 211785 , Reply# 40   12/30/2012 at 10:57 (2,648 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Sebo ET-1

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Here is a link to the exact vacuum that we have. I don't like it!! So I barely use it. It was funny, last week I was at this clients house cleaning for 7 hours. The only thing that I used the Sebo for was to blockade the stairwell, so that no one would come down the steps while I was washing them!!!


Post# 211788 , Reply# 41   12/30/2012 at 11:42 (2,648 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Oops...well there you go. That's the power head on the Felix. Guess that nixes this vac for carpets!

Thanks for the inside scoop...that's too bad.

I guess I'm back to recommending 2 vacs: Hoover Platinum Lightweight for carpets only, Miele Olympus with larger optional dusting brush for everything else! (I'm a vac "team" kinda guy!). :-D

Post# 212938 , Reply# 42   1/6/2013 at 19:14 (2,641 days old) by OCScott3085 (DMV)        

Just wanted to thank you all for your recommendations! I actually ended up purchasing a Shark Rotator Lift Away vacuum and CANNOT believe how well it works for such an inexpensive machine! I had a 20% off coupon at Bed, Bath & Beyond which brought the price down to about $200. I only intended on testing it out on my family room frieze carpeting but once I started, I couldn't stop and ended up cleaning most of my main level and master bedroom. Having vacuumed the day before with the Miele Twist, I was AMAZED that I had to empty the container three times. I wish I would have taken pictures...truly shocking! Most of it was dog hair and I'm sure a lot of dirt was fluffed up (previous Dyson owner here so I know the drill) but still....quite impressive for the price. While it doesn't feel like it will last 20 years, it IS sturdier than I anticipated. I'll still use my central vac for weekly deep cleanings but during the week, this will be a great choice. Thanks again!

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