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Post# 207871   11/26/2012 at 14:13 (4,168 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Look at this!!!

A cream and brown numatic charles!

I have never seen one of these before,

numatic sent me this photo,

It looks awesome!

- Joe

Post# 207873 , Reply# 1   11/26/2012 at 14:16 (4,168 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Another of Numatic phases was the brown & beige ranges of standard models. They didn't last for very long. This was late 1980's. I am not sure who they were trying to appeal to either.

Post# 207875 , Reply# 2   11/26/2012 at 14:19 (4,168 days old) by James (Ware, Hertfordshire, UK)        

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Never seen a cream and brown charles in that particular model, thanks for sharing, must be from 1989/1990 ish.

Here is the earlier model in cream and brown, with the square based bucket, and it uses 4 castor wheels. Need the normal blue one now!

Post# 207877 , Reply# 3   11/26/2012 at 14:22 (4,168 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi James,

Wow I like your cream and brown charles,

are you mrxr2 on youtube?

and is that aa cream and brown henry?

Thanks,

- Joe

Post# 207885 , Reply# 4   11/26/2012 at 15:01 (4,167 days old) by James (Ware, Hertfordshire, UK)        

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Thanks, I can't seem to get them strange marks off the bucket :(
This model is "bagless" as the inlet tube inside the bucket is square, whereas the Henry has a circular one. The filter is quite a thick cloth, also the float assemble cannot be removed from the base of the motor unit similar to an Aquamaster or similar.

Yep that is a cream and brown Henry. I have another in better condition somewhere.
They do come up on ebay every then and again, but the Charles not quite so much, and the James, well I've never seen the cream and brown James! Only in a brochure.

I am indeed mrxr2, or mr_xr2 as it should be, but YouTube wouldn't allow the "_", sigh...

Post# 207887 , Reply# 5   11/26/2012 at 15:04 (4,167 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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^you think his Youtube vids are good Joe, you should see his XTube ones ;)
Post# 207890 , Reply# 6   11/26/2012 at 15:07 (4,167 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have a feeling that it may be a wet-only Charles, designed for industry, such as around swimming pools and other areas where a wet vac is in constant use. The Structafoam bases were certainly not targeted at the domestic market either.

Post# 207891 , Reply# 7   11/26/2012 at 15:08 (4,167 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

What is Xtube?

Post# 207892 , Reply# 8   11/26/2012 at 15:09 (4,167 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
What is Xtube?

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an amateur porn website. 

 

It was a joke, that failed slightly. 
Post# 207893 , Reply# 9   11/26/2012 at 15:09 (4,167 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It is ok gentlemen, I just looked on google. I know now.


Post# 207895 , Reply# 10   11/26/2012 at 15:14 (4,167 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I just looked on google

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don't take your computer for repair any time soon ;)
Post# 207896 , Reply# 11   11/26/2012 at 15:16 (4,167 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have heard that line before. But where?


Post# 207898 , Reply# 12   11/26/2012 at 15:19 (4,167 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have remembered it now. A group of us went to see some ladies known as Fascinating Aida. Rather amusing I thought.

Post# 207900 , Reply# 13   11/26/2012 at 15:24 (4,167 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Fascinating Aida are AMAZING. The line you're thinking of is from "Dogging" where Dillie Keane suggests googling the term to find the meaning, followed by "just don't take your computer for repair immediately afterwards..."

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Post# 207913 , Reply# 14   11/26/2012 at 16:12 (4,167 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Goodness gracious! Four castors? That would be rather difficult to manage. One tug and it'd be crashing into everything.

Post# 207958 , Reply# 15   11/27/2012 at 02:06 (4,167 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Turbo500,

I'm not gay! lol

but yeah the four casters thing must be annoying.

- Joe

Post# 207962 , Reply# 16   11/27/2012 at 05:20 (4,167 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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^Joe, I never said you were...I was winding James up lo

Post# 207963 , Reply# 17   11/27/2012 at 06:09 (4,167 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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^Oh ok, haha

Post# 207988 , Reply# 18   11/27/2012 at 13:15 (4,167 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Does anyone know what this is?

Post# 208006 , Reply# 19   11/27/2012 at 14:02 (4,167 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

i believe it was a very limited edition numatic sold for car valeters, but where of course not popular so quickly replaced by another model.

Post# 208010 , Reply# 20   11/27/2012 at 14:29 (4,167 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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It's kinda funny because my username is 'ultimateVacMan' lol

Post# 208056 , Reply# 21   11/28/2012 at 01:51 (4,166 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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What do you think this is?

- Joe

Post# 208067 , Reply# 22   11/28/2012 at 10:33 (4,166 days old) by rutger (England)        

Hi

I've seen that pic' of a "Bernie" before.

Is it a proper Numatic model or one that somebody has made up themselves? The writing etc look a bit home-made.

Cheers

Dave

Post# 208071 , Reply# 23   11/28/2012 at 13:29 (4,166 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

now you mention it i agree with rutger......

Post# 208142 , Reply# 24   11/29/2012 at 01:48 (4,165 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"Is it a proper Numatic model or one that somebody has made up themselves? The writing etc look a bit home-made. "

That's what I was thinking.

Post# 208147 , Reply# 25   11/29/2012 at 03:12 (4,165 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

You will see this is an older cleaner, although I accept that the BX BX cleaner looks newer. However, I was given to understand that for a period of time Numatic were branding cleaners to suit the shops which sold them or the companies which used them, if the orders were great enough.

Post# 208157 , Reply# 26   11/29/2012 at 10:11 (4,165 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Do you think bernie was made for a company?

Post# 208159 , Reply# 27   11/29/2012 at 10:23 (4,165 days old) by rutger (England)        

Hello
I can understand that Numatic used to make machines for companies/shops (I must confess I didn't know that already, so thanks for the info' vintagerepairer).
It's just that the Bernie one looks so badly done, i've seen the BX BX ones etc & they look professionally made. The Bernie shown above looks like it was done with insulation tape. Are there any other pics of these around as that's the only "Bernie" picture i've ever seen?
Cheers
Dave

Post# 208162 , Reply# 28   11/29/2012 at 11:27 (4,165 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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yeah if anyone has any more photo's of it we would really appreciate it if you would share them,

Thanks

- Joe

Post# 208213 , Reply# 29   11/30/2012 at 07:04 (4,164 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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What does everybody think of the new autosave feature on numatics? is it any good?

Post# 208214 , Reply# 30   11/30/2012 at 07:53 (4,164 days old) by rutger (England)        

Hello

I have a Henry with the Autosave feature (he's about 18 months old). I don't mind it, most of the time I just use him on normal power but when i need a bit more wallop just press the red switch & the power is there (always returning to low power on switch-off).
Whether of course it's any better than a straight-forward high power or second speed switch is debateable...

I do like the nice red light that comes on with high power though :-)

Cheers
Dave

Post# 208224 , Reply# 31   11/30/2012 at 12:12 (4,164 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Thanks Dave,

oh and today I contacted numatic, asking if they had any info on the numatic wendy and numatic david, I got a reply from them, and they said they never made a wendy or david, so I have sent them some pictures to prove that they are real, and I am now waiting for a reply.

It seems I know more about numatic than numatic themselfs lol !

Post# 208226 , Reply# 32   11/30/2012 at 14:04 (4,164 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

at first i hated autosave on my henry, but i'ts growing on me, i still prefer the HVR200-22 to the HVR200A.

Post# 208235 , Reply# 33   11/30/2012 at 18:01 (4,163 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It needs to be remembered that the Wendy -and certainly the David- were sold a good deal of years ago. The Wendy would have been at least 10 years and the David around 20. The people you spoke to at Numatic probably were not working for them then, or if they were they may not have quite the memory for these models. They were not around for long. Of course we must also remember there is not much in it for Numatic to want to spend time researching such queries at length. See how you get on.

Post# 208267 , Reply# 34   12/1/2012 at 03:37 (4,163 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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My opinion of the Autosave feature would violate the no swearing rules of this forum, so I'll think about it and type something that won't get me banned...

UTTERLY USELESS!

There we go.

The rocker "Hi-Lo" switch was just fine and all the silly spring loaded Autosave switch does it irritate me when it goes back to Lo upon power up.

I love Numatic but they got it wrong with that feature.

Post# 208282 , Reply# 35   12/1/2012 at 07:12 (4,163 days old) by rutger (England)        

The idea behind the Autosave is presumably supposed to be that people forget to switch off high mode when turning off the vacuum & go straight back onto high mode when powering back up thus using more power than necessary as you don't need high power all the time.

I would have thought personally that the extra noise & suction would give the game away about it being on left high power, but presumably Numatic have done some sort of research into this to warrant the feature. Numatic don't seem the sort of manufacturer not to have looked into the reasoning behind introducing it.

Cheers
Dave

Post# 208288 , Reply# 36   12/1/2012 at 11:12 (4,163 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Wasn't there an issue with one of the power switches popping out of its recess regarding Numatic's decision to change the rocker switches to the thinner smaller ones seen with the Autosave idea? I remember Numatic sending me an email as my James single rocker switch developed a problem a few years later after purchase.

Post# 208295 , Reply# 37   12/1/2012 at 12:57 (4,163 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I love Numatic but they got it wrong with that feature

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and yet you love the Hoover Autosense? Jamie, you make no sense sometimes, lad! The Autosave is a great feature, one that many users have realised you don't need to use the cleaner on full power to get great results. 
Post# 208297 , Reply# 38   12/1/2012 at 13:06 (4,163 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Actually I make a lot of sense - the Autosense feature on the Hoover Turbopower has a boost button which does not reset every time the vacuum is powered on, with the exception of the later TP3 which Benny's wife had.

Post# 208299 , Reply# 39   12/1/2012 at 14:40 (4,162 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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This looks like a David only it's branded as a Henry.

I did think it maybe had a replacement head but the Henry lettering is the same colour as the bin so I think it's intended.


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Post# 208301 , Reply# 40   12/1/2012 at 15:14 (4,162 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The idea behind the autosave on Numatic is that the cleaner on Low setting has sufficient power to do a variety of cleaning tasks. If the cleaner was to power up on maximum, no one would think to turn it down. By forcing the user to start on low, they get used to how it works. And very well it works too. Most dusting and hard-floor cleaning can be done on the low power. It also means the cleaner can be advertised as having the energy saving ability which it claims to have.

Regarding my ex-wives Turbopower3, hers was a 2881. If the cleaner had stayed on the medium setting I have no doubt she would have used it as such. But it didn't, it then went into Autosense mode and it was the constant revving up & down of the motor which she could not get used to, hence why she used the full-power boost all of the time.

Post# 208302 , Reply# 41   12/1/2012 at 15:15 (4,162 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Jamie that link is to a cream & brown Henry.

Post# 208304 , Reply# 42   12/1/2012 at 15:25 (4,162 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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But I thought it was the David that was cream and brown Benny?

Post# 208305 , Reply# 43   12/1/2012 at 15:29 (4,162 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It may have been, but so was Henry. Cream & brown was a limited edition colour for many Numatic cleaners.

Post# 208306 , Reply# 44   12/1/2012 at 16:10 (4,162 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I see. Thanks for clearing it up!

Post# 208357 , Reply# 45   12/2/2012 at 03:58 (4,162 days old) by rutger (England)        

I have a cream & brown Henry myself, cute little chap, the colour makes a surprising difference to their looks. The hose, plastic parts on the steel tubes & even the eyes were in brown too. They always look like they're from the 1970's to me due to the colour scheme but obviously they weren't.

I've never seen a cream & brown David, i've only seen pictures of them in green with a black top & yellow with a black top. A Numatic David is the vacuum I covet the most!

Cheers
Dave

Post# 208363 , Reply# 46   12/2/2012 at 06:44 (4,162 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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And you shall go on coveting for a while yet I'd imagine as I've only seen one David on eBay in the last year.

Post# 208370 , Reply# 47   12/2/2012 at 07:44 (4,162 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I find that older Henry machines that don't have the autosave feature or even the Hi/Lo function don't suffer - not when you can just twist the valve at the top of the tubes to let some suction air out for lighter use. I didn't miss the hi/lo function on my James, though I couldn't stand the lighter grey tubes in the end as they never seemed to stay on even when correctly tightened - and when they did, oh the joy of removing them - NOT. The stainless steel tubes IMHO are easier to fit AND remove when required.

Post# 208422 , Reply# 48   12/2/2012 at 14:19 (4,162 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Hear hear Ryan.

I had the grey tubes with my 2007 Henry HVR200-22 and when I had to replace the floor tool could I get it off the tube? No I bloody well couldn't.

I ended up buying a new set of generic stainless steel tubes which are much better.

I must say though, those grey tubes were very thick and sturdy and my stainless steel ones already have a dent, but I'd rather that than them getting stuck on.

Post# 208534 , Reply# 49   12/3/2012 at 02:26 (4,161 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I have a couple of things here for you guys,

The first one is this:

what an odd colour!

Post# 208535 , Reply# 50   12/3/2012 at 02:33 (4,161 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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and this:

what's with the text? I know on the older ones they has coloured bold text, but when numatic changed to the outline text, it thought they only did it in white, not red? any way please let me know what you think these are,

Cheers,

- Joe

Post# 208539 , Reply# 51   12/3/2012 at 04:08 (4,161 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

They used bold coloured text (and did you notice the spaces between the letters?) then moved to the text which was merely an outline, and with no spaces between. The letters were colour matched for the cleaner. But this was not for long, and they soon switched to white.

Why? Well, presumably because colour ALWAYS costs. Whilst the cost of the logo might have been the same, it is the costs involved in switching production which really add up. So when Basil and Henry for example became much more widely available in several colours, to make a colour matched logo on the motor head would be something of an expensive luxury for an audience who had no appreciation of whether the name was white or coloured to matched the dust container. Far, far easier and cheaper to just bounce off one motor head after the next with white logos off the production line and then fit the coloured dust containers later on down the assembly line, because the tops are universal (the serial numbers and models don't specify a colour) and can be stock-piled to be used for any coloured base, subject to demand for them.

Now look at Hetty. She is one on her own. All other cleaners are either available in several colours, or have the same generic Numatic branded motor top. They have to be built in a universal fashion. But not Hetty. Hetty only comes in pink and is the only cleaner to have the Hetty name. The tops are always built for the same bottoms. So Numatic have exercised the opportunity to print her name in pink. I think pink looks lovely, but then for standardisation across the range, I think white would have looked much better. When one sees Henry and Hetty side by side in the shops, it always strikes me that the lettering makes them look instantly different.


Post# 208543 , Reply# 52   12/3/2012 at 05:54 (4,161 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Ok, thanks for the info! I get that making diffent colours would cost more, so I wonder why they were coloured on the old ones.

Post# 208546 , Reply# 53   12/3/2012 at 06:30 (4,161 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well that's what I am trying to say really, the old ones were coloured because the bottom sections were never widely avaliable in different colours. Henry was always red, Charles blue, and so on, so the lettering matched accordingly. It was only when Numatic made it easier to order any model in any of the four main colours that they switched to white lettering, and if you see it it makes sense, as any motor top from that range could be used with any colour bottom. So instead of making four different tops with coloured letters, they just make four times the amount on the same production lines and stock pile them for use on any colour bottom for that model.

Post# 208547 , Reply# 54   12/3/2012 at 06:32 (4,161 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I also meant to say that one can find any of the four colours on the logos for any range as this was done for a very short time before switching to white as standard.

Post# 208548 , Reply# 55   12/3/2012 at 06:43 (4,161 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Ah, I get it now, thanks. oh and I have not got a reply from numatic yet, but they sent me 3 Face Kits in the post! :)

Post# 208586 , Reply# 56   12/3/2012 at 13:10 (4,161 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Look at this, I never knew that numatic made a pink base with the bumper on it, does anyone have any info on this?

Post# 208619 , Reply# 57   12/3/2012 at 15:48 (4,160 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

No idea at all, but all sorts of variations of Numatic brand cleaners have come to light over the years. Littlewoods used to sell it's own exclusive version of James. It was purple I think, and I think also had the larger base with the integrated bumper.

Post# 208622 , Reply# 58   12/3/2012 at 16:06 (4,160 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Hold on - does that lower bumper exceed the circumference of the rubber bumper on the "head"?

If so, that rather makes the latter superfluous, no?

Post# 208623 , Reply# 59   12/3/2012 at 16:12 (4,160 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes, if that's the case, but the soft edges is a very new idea and so far I have only seen in on cleaners with the smaller bases. Have you seen cleaners with sof edges and a large bumper, Jamie?

Post# 208627 , Reply# 60   12/3/2012 at 16:32 (4,160 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I'm not sure I follow Benny.

Post# 208628 , Reply# 61   12/3/2012 at 16:45 (4,160 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The cleaners which have soft edges on the motor hood (you call it a rubber bumper) are of a very new design, and one which I have only ever seen on the cleaners which have the smaller bottom sections. My question is, have you ever seen a Numatic cleaner of any model which had the larger bottom section like that pink one in the photograph AND had the rubber bumper on the hood? Because I haven't, and I am wondering if such a combination exists.

Post# 208632 , Reply# 62   12/3/2012 at 17:00 (4,160 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh I see now. I don't think I have, but then I don't look at industrial vacuums all that often.

Numatic does do an industrial vacuum which looks like the one we're talking about, I'll check and see what it looks like.

Well I never, thanks to Google Images I found that the industrial models on sale now do have the bumper and a large bin with a bumper on the bottom of that.

Seems rather strange to me why they would do that rather than do what they did with James for those models.

Post# 208642 , Reply# 63   12/3/2012 at 17:54 (4,160 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I found a photograph of the four main Henry colours, all having colour matching logos. They didn't make these for long.

Post# 208645 , Reply# 64   12/3/2012 at 18:35 (4,160 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Here is another example. Look how old it must be, as the rear wheels are fitted deep into the cleaner, which is one of the oldest designs. Solid letters, with spaces, in a colour to match the cleaner. Although Henry was always available in four basic colours, it was not until the use of the white out-line style logos became the standard that Numatic actively promoted any colour other than red.

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Post# 208735 , Reply# 65   12/4/2012 at 07:32 (4,160 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That is an old one Benny.

It also has a socket for a P/N to be attached which has been gone for a long time (both the P/N and socket).

Post# 208751 , Reply# 66   12/4/2012 at 11:02 (4,160 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

that pic of the pink numatic looks like a NRV200-22 and the base has got sun damaged. theres also a henry HVC200 on ebay now, the first henry!

Post# 208755 , Reply# 67   12/4/2012 at 11:53 (4,160 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I see that HVC200 has the typical stress marks above the front castors, my Henry is getting that on one side.

Post# 208775 , Reply# 68   12/4/2012 at 13:58 (4,160 days old) by rutger (England)        

I have an HVC200, they're a surprisingly powerful little vacuum (it states 800watts I think )but it feels like a lot more. I swear it has more ooomph than my modern Henry.
The feature I don't like is the lack of a cord-rewind, I can definitely see why Numatic added one, it is quite awkward having to hang the cord off an easily broken hook on the back. I also find the shorter wheelbase with the inset back-wheels (despite in my opinion looking nicer), does make the little guy less stable & more likely to tip backwards if you lift the hose too high, which is probably why Numatic changed it.
Also it might just be my eyes but the red lower body on the HVC200 I have, looks much"redder" than a modern Henry which appears a slightly paler shade. Did Numatic change the shade of red or am I imagining it?
Cheers
Dave

Post# 208782 , Reply# 69   12/4/2012 at 15:08 (4,159 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You could be right Dave, I haven't used my 2007 Henry HVR200-22 in about a week so can't say for sure.

As much as I love my Henry I must say (through no fault of "his" own) I haven't used it at all recently.

I know, I am a sinner - I must repent.


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