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Post# 207454   11/22/2012 at 16:46 (2,686 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hey folks,


Picked up this classic today. It's a Goblin Laser Duo System 3500. Now, any additional info provided here would be very helpful. 


I believe this was the TOL machine in about 93/94, running alongside the lower spec blue model with on board tools and a light grey version without onboard tools. This later style model has a built in house with a suction diverter (like the Turbopower total systems, only shiter)  which the earlier models didn't have. It also has a unique feature (at the time) of being used either with paper bags or bagless - more info to follow later 

Post# 207455 , Reply# 1   11/22/2012 at 16:47 (2,686 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Sales sticker 

Post# 207456 , Reply# 2   11/22/2012 at 16:51 (2,686 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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This works a lot like the permabag on the Hoover TP and TM Freedom models. I actually think this design works much better. A filter sits on top of the dust box. The dust and dirt drops to the bottom of the dust box when entering, so doesn't touch the filter. The filter is only there to keep fine dust in. Unlike the Hoover design, the dust is not directly blown onto the filter. The black plastic piece is divided in 2 - half a section is where the opening to the dustbox is and the other half is where the filter sits. When you take the filter out, you can see that the plastic dust box opening actually extends below the filter, so the dust drops straight to the bottom of the box and doesn't come into contact with it, 

Post# 207457 , Reply# 3   11/22/2012 at 16:52 (2,686 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Looking forward to seeing more pictures and information.

How exactly does the bagless feature work? A Permabag kind of system?

Post# 207458 , Reply# 4   11/22/2012 at 16:53 (2,686 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh bugger me, you explained just as I posted my reply! Grr.

Post# 207459 , Reply# 5   11/22/2012 at 16:59 (2,686 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Well, Jamie, the cleaner is dirty fan, but the bag is removed via the bag door at the top of the cleaner - kind of like a mash up of a Turbopower and a Lux 500, but as it's dirty fan, the bottom of the bag chamber is just solid plastic. It's a bit like a kitchen bin on wheels. So even with a bag in, the dust still just drops to the bottom. essentially, this design has removed the bag and put a filter on top of the bag compartment. 


This style Laser is getting rare now. I don't think they were particularly big sellers in comparison to the lower spec models. Hell, if you're gonna buy a cheap vac, there is no point in buying a high end cheap vac. You might as well buy a low end, more expensive cleaner. IIRC, the price these retailed for was around a similar price range to the low end Turbopower 1 cleaners, which were far better (around the £100-£120 mark). The bottom end lasers retailed for around £65, so were much more popular 

Post# 207460 , Reply# 6   11/22/2012 at 17:06 (2,686 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ah I understand the layout now - that sure is unique.

There is a lot to be said for cheap vacs you know. Little to go wrong and if they do, you haven't spent too much.

My '93 Philips U800 was probably around the same price as that Laser when it was new and it still works great today. There's no HEPA, stair hose, telescopic tube or any of that, just a simple vacuum which picks up dirt and has a damn good brush roll.

Post# 207483 , Reply# 7   11/23/2012 at 07:28 (2,685 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
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Hi Chris. Nice Vac:o)
I have the same Goblin Laser as yours as well as the blue Goblin Laser 2500 plus which as you said was the bagged version of the Goblin Laser 3500 Duo system:o)


Post# 207485 , Reply# 8   11/23/2012 at 07:55 (2,685 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi James,

You must have lasers coming out of your ears now, don't you also have the first 2 grey models in soft and hardbag?

Post# 207486 , Reply# 9   11/23/2012 at 09:59 (2,685 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi James,

You must have lasers coming out of your ears now, don't you also have the first 2 grey models in soft and hardbag?

Post# 207492 , Reply# 10   11/23/2012 at 11:02 (2,685 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You can say that again Chris...

Post# 207497 , Reply# 11   11/23/2012 at 12:08 (2,685 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
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Hi Chris.

Yeah I have a grey soft bagged Laser and a white hard bagged Laser.
I think I have 4 Goblin Lasers in total. 3 Goblin Commanders and 3 Goblin Housemaids:o)


Post# 207507 , Reply# 12   11/23/2012 at 16:12 (2,685 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Gentlemen, the popularity of the Laser cleaner was restricted by Goblins decision to not make it for very long. For a cheap cleaner with a very short production run, it seems somewhat queer for there to have been so many variations on the same theme. If my memory is right, the main sub categories were as follows:

Hardbag, Softbag, Bagless.

Whilst the bagless model had on-board tools as standard, the other two styles did not, and examples could be found of each with or without tools. Furthermore, there were two styles of on-board tools; those which simply attached to the cleaner for storage but required the user to manually attach the hose for above floor cleaning, and those which had the hose permanently connected, requiring the user only to flick a switch to select the tools option. I don't think the latter style was applied to softbag versions, but the former certainly was.

I completely agree with the comments that the top of the range laser would have cost around the same as a bottom line Hoover. Also the Electrolux Turbo2 Z1070 was a regular line in many shops, from 1991 to 1995, the price of which continued to fall from 79.99 to eventually 49.99 as time progressed. That cleaner has a good deal to answer for in term of it's sales appeal. It was a fantastic cleaner at a sensible price, dropping to an absolute bargain by 1995. By the time the Z1070 went on sale, a good deal of people were preparing to part with their 1st-time on-board tools upright, and often with a very bad taste in their mouths. Why? Well so many early cleaners with on-board tools were rather impractical, and in the case of the Electrolux 600 series were of shockingly poor quality too. The Z1070 was a quality cleaner, liked by so many consumers for so many reasons. Without it I am sure the likes of the Goblin Laser would have been a better seller.

Post# 207509 , Reply# 13   11/23/2012 at 17:07 (2,685 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Benny, the Goblin Laser was launched in 1991 and was still on sale last late as 98. The original line up consisted of a basic softbag with no on-board tools, softbag with on-board tools and hardbag with on board tools. The later style you mentioned with the tools actually built in (like the one pictured above) arrived in 93/94 and replaced the earlier style where one would have to take the hose off to plug into the front of the cleaner. This design was not rendered totally useless, however, as the basic Lasers still had no on-board tools and therefore continued to use the older design. 


I'm slightly miffed re: your comments above about the Lux 600 series. I personally think that the 600's were the best thing Lux ever did and certainly a hell of a lot better in every way to the Contour. My Gran's 610 survived 12 years of hard use in a house with 2 dogs. 



Post# 207510 , Reply# 14   11/23/2012 at 17:07 (2,685 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Few pics...the first cleaners from 91 - there was also a softbag with onboard tools (not pictured)

Post# 207511 , Reply# 15   11/23/2012 at 17:09 (2,685 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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the blue model that goes with the Duo

Post# 207540 , Reply# 16   11/24/2012 at 03:38 (2,685 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello Chris. I did not realise the Laser was sold much past 1995. Thank you for sharing this. Please do not be miffed by my comments of the Electrolux. I am only mentioning the comments and feedback which owners of such cleaners made. The 610 and 612 were advertised as being the complete answer to home cleaning and were very expensive when compared to other cleaners of the same time. I am talking more than double the price. The hose was so short that it was not possible to use it to the extent that one would have been able to with, and indeed expected of, a cleaner with separate tools.

But that aside, the build quality was very bad. It did not reflect the price the consumer paid, and did not reflect the excellent reputation which Electrolux still had at that time. I don't dispute the 12 years you Grandmother got from her cleaner, but I will say this was exceptional.

Post# 207543 , Reply# 17   11/24/2012 at 04:21 (2,685 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I was going to say I recall a neighbour down the road had the 2500 model - seen there in the catalogue photo shown on here. I loved the actual design of the whole range - very futuristic looking.

Post# 207546 , Reply# 18   11/24/2012 at 05:28 (2,685 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        

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Here you go. A pic of two of my Goblin Lasers.
I can remember the tv advert for the Lasers and Rio 1000.
Does any one else remember them?


Post# 207559 , Reply# 19   11/24/2012 at 10:06 (2,684 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I think the reason the Goblin Lasers did not sell well was because for about 20 extra you could get a Hoover Turbopower which had a name that went hand in hand with reliability (unlike these days!) and to be blunt was more attractive.

To me the Laser looks rather off putting in terms of styling.

Post# 207566 , Reply# 20   11/24/2012 at 12:07 (2,684 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Post# 207573 , Reply# 21   11/24/2012 at 15:40 (2,684 days old) by andy-lux ()        

must admit tho, out of all the laser's i have have owned. i have never come across one of these before

Post# 207574 , Reply# 22   11/24/2012 at 15:41 (2,684 days old) by andy-lux ()        
love that wide track

i love the soft bagged ones hiding

Post# 207725 , Reply# 23   11/25/2012 at 16:30 (2,683 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
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Hi Chris,
I have 3 Electrolux wide tracks. Burgandy,green and a NIB black one.
Dated from early 1997 and who ever bought it got it from Alders as the invice is still on the box.

Andy 3 of the soft bag vacs in the photo are a Goblin upright can't remember the model, A Hoover Junior (The one like the Sprite) and a Hoover Concept 1


Post# 207769 , Reply# 24   11/25/2012 at 18:14 (2,683 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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James, is that a Philips U800 I spot in the photograph?

Post# 207770 , Reply# 25   11/25/2012 at 18:17 (2,683 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It's either that or a 1977 Hoover Ranger. I joke Jamie.

Post# 207795 , Reply# 26   11/26/2012 at 01:28 (2,683 days old) by baglessball ()        

Any chance of a photo of inside the bin/ filter? And maybe the brush cavity too?

Post# 207884 , Reply# 27   11/26/2012 at 14:59 (2,682 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        

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Hi Jamie, Yep that's right. It's a Philips U800.
A customer gave it to me as they tried to sell it me 1st and I said no thanks so he gave it me as he could not be arsed to carry it back up the hill again.
In fact I think he was the same guy who gave me the Hitachi upright as well.


Post# 207888 , Reply# 28   11/26/2012 at 15:05 (2,682 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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...GAVE YOU A HITACHI UPRIGHT? Oh I've come over all faint...

Post# 207912 , Reply# 29   11/26/2012 at 16:10 (2,682 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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No, that's just the wine Chris! :)

Is that U800 in working order? Those motors are pretty darn good with excellent suction. I do love my Philips, used it today actually. Love the way that brush roll brings the carpet pile up.

Need to buy an upholstery tool for it though, they are so cheap but I keep putting it off. Probably because I'd never use it since that hose is so stiff but it'd be good to have I guess.

Couldn't take a photo of the U800 could you James?

Post# 207917 , Reply# 30   11/26/2012 at 16:36 (2,682 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        

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Umm sorry Jamie the Philips is buried again now along with the similar Delonghi 800.
Next time I dig them out i'll take some snaps.

The Hitachi was a 760D. I think I got rid of it as it wasn't in good condition and I already have one in ok condition as well as a Hitachi 460dc.


Post# 207919 , Reply# 31   11/26/2012 at 16:47 (2,682 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Oh, James, I'm not impressed with you right now!

Post# 207920 , Reply# 32   11/26/2012 at 16:48 (2,682 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"Unlike the Hoover design, the dust is not directly blow

With the Hoover Turbo Freedoms, it wasn't.

The airflow, as I understood it, was diverted downwards into the bottom of the dustbox, then found its way back up, through a nylon mesh filter (like a tumble dryer lint filter), then through the pleated paper filter.

Photo courtesy of "Turbomaster1984".

Post# 207922 , Reply# 33   11/26/2012 at 16:50 (2,682 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Watch out, you'll get a stiletto through your living room window now!

Post# 207935 , Reply# 34   11/26/2012 at 19:51 (2,682 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yours or somebody else's, dear?

Post# 207964 , Reply# 35   11/27/2012 at 06:56 (2,681 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That was a poor joke in reference to Chris' comment about the Hitachi James got rid of.

Post# 208170 , Reply# 36   11/29/2012 at 15:32 (2,679 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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Well Goblin name was owned by shop vac, then they had a fire in the ireland plastics factory so ended these machines in the mid 1990's The Goblin brand was sold to Glen Dimplex the owner of Morphy Richards. I heard they are dreadful and cheap nasty machines. We had a Goblin Rio made in Ireland dreadful and sold it to get rid of it. Now Use Dyson and the old Hoover Pure Power

Post# 208220 , Reply# 37   11/30/2012 at 11:16 (2,678 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I had the Goblin Topo for many years which was a true Goblin design before Morphy Richards put out their own version. Can't say I've seen a slip in quality though, or say that they're "nasty," but rather, do the job they are designed to do.

Post# 208268 , Reply# 38   12/1/2012 at 03:39 (2,678 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Since you use a Dyson and a PurePower your opinion is not valid here.

Only kidding...

But I think to say they are nasty is erroneous going by what other users have stated.

Post# 208303 , Reply# 39   12/1/2012 at 15:20 (2,677 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

But I agree though, the build quality was nasty. The difference was back then that the price ticket reflected this. These days when one buys a cheap quality cleaner there is every chance they pay a fortune for it, if of course the manufacturer insists on so much alleged research and design. Mentioning no names.

Post# 208372 , Reply# 40   12/2/2012 at 07:46 (2,676 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I still can't get over how thin and flexible the lid to my S6 is. Shocking for the price that it costs.

Post# 208423 , Reply# 41   12/2/2012 at 14:22 (2,676 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Really Ryan? They are over 300 though, wouldn't have expected that!

Post# 208426 , Reply# 42   12/2/2012 at 14:49 (2,676 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

And that, Jamie, is how it all works. To qualify for a higher price, something only has to be BETTER than the best available; it does not have to be the best it can be. Just the best available. Meile has a solid reputation on which it can sell anything. They are now drawing on this more so than ever, I feel. Years ago, if you bought a Meile appliance, you were buying the very best. Now, if you buy Meile, you are buying the best name, and the best available. That does not make it the best possible product, just the best on sale.

Sadly for Meile, some consumers have worked this out for themselves, and whilst they don't deny that Meile is the best available, they do question whether two cheaper products bought for half the price each would, in the course of a period of time, actually be better than one Miele product which may or may not last that length of time.

Post# 208457 , Reply# 43   12/2/2012 at 16:51 (2,676 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Very insightful Benny and true.

Post# 208542 , Reply# 44   12/3/2012 at 05:15 (2,676 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Miele's washing machines are amazing though. A friend of mine owns a big launderette in town. They have tons of commercial grade washers and two Miele ones in the back. Shame they're so expensive and I have yet to meet an owner who actually wires up their PC laptop to the machine in order to get the claimed upgrades that most Miele washing machines promise.

I do like Miele's trouser/clothing roller press. Steams/irons and flattens. Shame its so expensive though.


Post# 208544 , Reply# 45   12/3/2012 at 05:57 (2,676 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Miele washing machines...

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I absolutely love my Miele washer. I got it 4 years ago on sale at 550, with the full 10 year guarantee. It's quiet, quick, well built and the results are excellent. Sadly, Miele prices have rocketed since then and it's certainly a shame about the quality of their vacs. Sebo are really kicking their butt at the moment.

Post# 208549 , Reply# 46   12/3/2012 at 06:43 (2,675 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Miele prices have rocketed

And this, gentlemen, is the problem. Price. Given that all white goods now have to meet ultra high standards of performance and efficiency in order for the consumer to give them a second look, the only thing left for Meile to compete on now is the build quality. When that quality is coming in at more than twice the price of an alternative, people will always question whether or not it is worth buying one expensive machine in the hope it will last a long time, or buy two or even more much cheaper alternatives over the course of a number of years, on the basis that if it is financially more sensible to do so, they may as well do such.

What this thinking does not allow for of course is whether a cheaper machine will work continually and then breakdown beyone economical repair after a few years, or whether it will be problematic from day one, requiring lots of TLC as time progresses. But then I think that is a problem with anything mechanical one buys; it is a game of chance. Fourtunatly some products from some brands stand out as being a bad choice, for example Indesit dishwashers and Whirlpool built in cooking appliances have has terrible reports. Sometimes it is whole brands, like Serivs as it was in latter years.

Post# 208566 , Reply# 47   12/3/2012 at 10:51 (2,675 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I agree, but the worst insult about Miele is the fact that you have to pay more money for selected models for their 10 year guarantee as opposed to the standard 1/2 years. Sometimes they give it away for free seasonally, but most of the time the 10 year guarantee on their vacuums is cost optional or factored into the cost on the higher top of the line models, or specific ones. SEBO give away a 5 year guarantee as standard, Bosch 2 years to 4 years, again cost added and Vax, who offer a 6 year warranty on their current Mach Air and selected models. None of their paper pleated filter models carry the extended guarantee though.

Post# 208620 , Reply# 48   12/3/2012 at 15:51 (2,675 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I did recently compare the cost of an 8KG capacity 1600rpm Miele washing machine against other brands. Even with the ten year guarantee I can't think it was worth the horrendous price tag it came with. It did not strike me as value at all. One could literally have bought four cheaper machines and still had some money left to pay for the installation.

Post# 208624 , Reply# 49   12/3/2012 at 16:16 (2,675 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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out of interest, Benny, which washing machine did you opt for in the end?

Post# 208625 , Reply# 50   12/3/2012 at 16:29 (2,675 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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It does make you wonder whether the so called "big brands" are really worth it when you compare them with a cheaper brand which has, granted, a shorter guarantee, but a lesser price tag and a "less to go wrong" assurance.

There is a large amount of "keeping up appearances" when it comes to those expensive brands I think.

Now I'm not saying that everybody who owns a Miele is trying to be better than others or match up to them (far from it), but I am saying that it is indeed a selling point for a lot of people.

Not that there is a problem with that, if I had more than two pennies to rub together I may do that to a certain extent, but I don't, so I make do and through doing that I have discovered that although better in theory, expensive products are not the be-all and end-all, so to speak.

Lets take an example from something that we all know about - vacuums.

I own a 1993 Philips U800 and a 1994 Hoover Turbopower 1000 Autosense.

The TP1000 would have been about 150 new and the U800 somewhere around 60 I'd imagine (Chris, I'm sure you can correct me if I'm wrong).

The Philips has a plastic hose, two tools, no "five stage filtration" or any lights or sounds.

It does however have an 800W motor which is incredibly powerful in terms of suction and the brush roll is the best I've known aside Hoover's Activator.

It is now 19 years old and everything works as intended, even the rather iffy height adjuster.

Take the Hoover, it has a hose which will practically do all your stairs with the vacuum at the bottom, three tools and two extension tubes (one of which is a long crevice tool), five stage filtration and has some nice Autosense lights and a bag check light.

The 1000W motor was incredibly powerful and the brush roll was amazing.

Why the past tense? Well the motor burnt out earlier this year despite being a TOL vacuum in its day and being a year younger than the BOL Philips.

Now I'm not saying all Hoovers are bad because they were expensive nor am I slagging them off but what I am saying is that cheap is not always bad.

Yes the Hoover was slightly better to use and it was made sturdier with a better array of tools however when the motor burns out, none of that matters.

My simple old U800 keeps on going with its no singing and no dancing design.

I'm not trying to irritate people who buy/have bought expensive products and are happy with them, but I am just stating that things aren't always as they seem...

With what is quite possibly my longest post on VL, I bid you goodnight.

Post# 208630 , Reply# 51   12/3/2012 at 16:51 (2,675 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Chris, I wasn't buying one at all, sorry. I was just looking. Here we have a laundry room with five large industrial Meile washing machines and dryers, which I use, but I would have to look at the model to know what they are. My cleaner / my angel Linda has just bought a new washing machine and she was saying that she was torn between a very cheap to use and wear out, or a very expensive one in the hope it would give long service. She had bought a Candy on the basis it was cheap and probably wouldn't last long, but in fact had given almost five years of trouble free service. In the event she bought a Hotpoint this time as she found one for a very reasonable price.

Post# 208631 , Reply# 52   12/3/2012 at 16:56 (2,675 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Proves my point Benny, even a poor make can last a fair while and work out cheaper to replace more regularly than an expensive one.

Post# 208636 , Reply# 53   12/3/2012 at 17:07 (2,675 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well it was the point I was making this morning, but yes you said it too.

Post# 208644 , Reply# 54   12/3/2012 at 18:10 (2,675 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

This is the machine she went in for. Crazy price for what one gets.

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Post# 208725 , Reply# 55   12/4/2012 at 04:27 (2,675 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Cheap Is Not Always Bad

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True, cheap products aren't always bad - but if you can't get spares for it, you're sunk. This is where the compromise must be made for owners who just need a reliable vacuum cleaner rather than collectors whose machines don't see much action. This is where the premium brands like Miele, Sebo and Bosch fight back because spares are made available for some of their oldest models.

For example, I had a cheap JMB 1000 watt bagged stick vac based on the Philips London stick vacuum many years ago. I bought it a year before Index catalogue shut down and cost me 39-99. Absolutely brilliant stick vacuum but it had to be used with generic dust bags as the original ones either by Philips or JMB went out of production. The secondary filters were also hard to find and eventually had to buy universal cut to fit Microfilters.

I eventually sold the vacuum for the same price I paid for it and included a few smaller cleaning tools because the original tools were never available to get other than the short crevice tool it came with. Again, if I hadn't had bought other "expensive" brand tools such as Hoover's spare tool kits or just a single purchase of a Hoover brush etc alone, I don't think I'd have been able to recoup the same price when it came to a sale.

Proof that yes, even if a machine is reliable, it can't always be trusted to be a good buy if spares aren't available - and if the brand name isn't an unknown source.

Even considering the major brands that Jamie owns - Hoover & Electrolux - spares are always available for most of their floor care ranges. But this is only because "back in the day," those were the popular and reliable brands.

Post# 208732 , Reply# 56   12/4/2012 at 07:26 (2,674 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Very true Ryan, to get bags for my JMB SC1056 is nigh on impossible these days despite the cleaner only being 4 years old.

In saying that though, it has been 100% reliable and never given me any problems but the lack of spares is definitely a major downfall.

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