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Post# 204031   10/17/2012 at 13:50 (2,722 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Just seen the new Dyson advert on UK television and I have one thing to say to James Dyson - sorry, not convinced.




Post# 204033 , Reply# 1   10/17/2012 at 14:49 (2,722 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        

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whats funny is that the new dysons are really good lots of people on here like them including me and all the reviews say they are good and ive used the dc41, dc40, dc38, dc39 and they are exeptional cleaners you on the other hand have not used any of them

Post# 204034 , Reply# 2   10/17/2012 at 14:51 (2,722 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        

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even Chris likes the dc40 and he hates Dyson so that says something about them

Post# 204037 , Reply# 3   10/17/2012 at 15:07 (2,722 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        

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if you are on about the ad for the dc44 then your wrong on that one i have used a dc35 (basically same as dc44) and i loved it, its great for small quick pick ups

Post# 204041 , Reply# 4   10/17/2012 at 15:48 (2,722 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
if you are on about the ad for the dc44 then your wrong

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Jamie has every right to not be impressed - doesn't mean he's wrong, it's just his opinion!

 

Yes, I do like the performance and features of the current ball cleaners, however they're VERY flimsy and not particularly easy to maneuver either. I certainly don't think they're worth the £300 plus price tag they come with


Post# 204045 , Reply# 5   10/17/2012 at 16:42 (2,722 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well to be perfectly fair, the statement was "sorry, not convinced", which is a world apart from saying that something is no good, and was not what was said in any case. The whole point of an advertisement is to try and convince people. In this instance the campaign has failed to do so to a member of this forum and he said so. If anything that is a statement of fact, in the same way the statement "sorry I am wearing blue trousers" would be, if he happened to be wearing such garments and felt the need to apologise for it.

Post# 204047 , Reply# 6   10/17/2012 at 16:58 (2,722 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It would have been more helpful to add a link here to see the ad exactly. Are you referring to the one where parts disappear from a Ball upright to reaffirm Dyson's originality or a completely new ad to promote something else?

Post# 204054 , Reply# 7   10/17/2012 at 18:08 (2,722 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        

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not necessarily wrong more ignorant Chris you believe that you have to use a vacuum to get a feel and valid opinion about it right so therefore he would have to use one to get a valid opinion watching an advert and judging a vacuum from an add isn't a good thing to base opinion on

Post# 204055 , Reply# 8   10/17/2012 at 18:11 (2,722 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

BUt he didn't. This is the point. He said the advert did not convince him that the cleaner was all they claim it is. He never said it was no good.

Post# 204057 , Reply# 9   10/17/2012 at 18:32 (2,722 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        

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well if i was to say im not convinced y an advert it would suggest that i dont really like the product the ball works not as movable as previous models but it cleans better and the radial cyclones work very efficient, the cleaner is what it claims to be but not as easy to turn

Post# 204087 , Reply# 10   10/18/2012 at 04:39 (2,722 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well different strokes for different folks. I see lots of things which do what they are supposed to do. It doesn't mean I think it is necessary or something which I personally need in my own life. As such, I am not 'convinced'.

Post# 204096 , Reply# 11   10/18/2012 at 08:05 (2,721 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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To clear it up, I did not mean it was a good or a bad cleaner as I've not tried it.

What I meant is that it hasn't convinced me that it is any better than a "traditional" vacuum with the motor at the bottom nor is it worth the price - IN MY OPINION.

The advert was for that silly handheld thing by the way, something you could purchase much cheaper if you looked at other brands (and no, not just Hoover).


Post# 204099 , Reply# 12   10/18/2012 at 09:08 (2,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Ah, Mr Hoover Ranger is back!

Ah Jamie, nice to see you back in business - any more Utube vids of your vacs in the pipelines? Hows the Ranger?

I wouldnt touch a Dyson handheld, sorry, but when I see how many of them end up on Ebay with dead batteries, which cost 50 or so to replace, I cant be bothered with them. My black and decker dustbusters do me fine, and a fraction of the price. Gimmicks, and expensive gimmicks as well, and they dont last the test of time either, as the batteries inevitably fail to hold charge after a few years, and cost too much to replace. If Dyson didnt spend so much money on advertising, they might be able to lower the asking prices for these handheld vacs.


Post# 204105 , Reply# 13   10/18/2012 at 09:46 (2,721 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Everyone's good, thanks.

Batteries don't have a long lifespan and even at their peak don't hold a long enough charge to use for a long period of time so they aren't for me. I'd rather have my mains powered vacuums.


Post# 204109 , Reply# 14   10/18/2012 at 11:09 (2,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Batteries don't have a long life span - No, not quite!

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The thing is though, perhaps one day battery replacements will be made available for all types of cordless appliances. I know GTECH already sell new batteries for their sweepers and latest RAM upright. It will only be a matter of time before battery costs will be cheaper than buying another vacuum cleaner, thus being far more cost effective for buyers who are after a machine that can do a quick clean up rather than full power, continuous cleaning for larger jobs. That's exactly what the Dyson ad shows with its cordless hand held. It doesn't promote the vacuum as being anything else, but.

Whilst your opinion is valid, Jamie don't forget there are other members whose experiences may well be different. Tarnishing the image of a cordless vacuum may all just come down to the Proaction/Argos/Woolworths hand held dust buster you personally owned, but they're not all like that - certainly my parents 23 year old Black and Decker dust buster can attest to that. It only showed signs of dying off last year. Still, its a good testament to Black and Decker's original promise that it could last a "lifetime," and now that both my parents are gone, the B&D has met expectations.





Post# 204113 , Reply# 15   10/18/2012 at 11:47 (2,721 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I'm not trying to put down all handhelds, sorry if it sounded as such.

I'm just saying they don't pertain to me as in my past experience (even with more expencive handhelds in previous years) they just don't perform as I'd like.

The only handheld which I actually like is one with a mains power, such as the Hoover Dustettes.

Though these days mains powered handhelds are practically non-existent due to the cost of producing a long enough flex opposed to a cheap Nickel Cadmium battery.


Post# 204122 , Reply# 16   10/18/2012 at 12:23 (2,721 days old) by Vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Speaking as a user of a DC44

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Animal version actually, I absolutly love it.

I have been very much a Miele fan having used their cleaners for 20 years now. While the BOL 251i (bought in 1992) always satisified me, the Revolution which replaced it in 2007 (although the 251 is still going strong and is now in the collection) has always been something of a disappointment. As a carpet or floor cleaner (it has a PN) it has always given good results although the hose always seemed a bit short and I do not like the bulky (remote control) hand grip.

Using it as an "above the head" cleaner for cornices and the like has been a complete non starter as the wand is so big and heavy. My ceilings are not high and I am tall so generally I can reach OK without it (except the stairwell) except of course that the hose is so short that I have to lift and carry the cleaner to reach. The short hose has also been a disadvantage on the stairs and I miss the top mounted 360 swivel from the 251

As for the famous Miele reliability, well two months out of warranty it had to have a new control board fitted - the cheapest soultion was to send it in for a service for 70 (at the time). I have a friend with a more basic miele who had to do the same thing - so the reputation is a bit tarnished.

I bought the DC44 in attempt to overcome these deficiencies and also, if I am honest, a bit of a toy I suppose, although it certainly was not cheap. This is the first Dyson I have owned. In every respect it has met or exceeded my expectations. On full power (8 mins) it does a great job on carpets and hard floors (it has a PN)and using the mini PN is brilliant on the stairs. I will admit that the larger PN might be a bit small for American homes, but it is just fine for my, admittedly small, UK home.

At lower power (20 mins) it is fine for dusting although I will admit I am not all that keen on the combination dusting/upholstry nozzle, although it does work. When I get around to it I will probably buy some more attachments. It does not have a huge dust capacity, but then being a hand held it wouldn't. I dont mind emptying the dust chamber - I was brought up on shake out bags.

As a "grab and go" cleaner it is excellent.

Will say that in my opinion it is far supurior to any other hand cleaner I have used (and I do have about 15 of them) with the possible exception of the late, French model Dustette - which bears no resemblence to the "classic" model. As for the build quality - well time will tell but so far I am loving it!

Al


Post# 204123 , Reply# 17   10/18/2012 at 12:26 (2,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
No mains corded hand helds in the UK?

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Im sorry Jamie, but I really have to ask where your head is! To say that mains corded vacuums are "practically non-existent," is a lot of old hoof.  There are many mains corded hand vacuums you can still buy- The reason to why they may appear to be in the minority to you is simply because it is a known fact that mains powered hand held vacuums tend to be heavier in the hand. When cordless handhelds came along they were much lighter to actually handle - and these machines are designed only for quick pick ups - similar to what the Dyson hand held comprises. 


Now, A lot of mains corded hand vacuums have gone from suction only to motorised brush rolls, handy for stair cleaning or quick spot rug pick ups and there are quite a few, which goes against what you believe where mains power hand held vacuums & cord length are concerned - but you won't know this unless you have either purchased or looked at these models.

  1. Dirt Devil DCH003 has a removable short hose for suction only. 
  2. Dirt Devil DCH004 also has the same.
  3. Same with the Electrolux Z61A 
  4. Bissell Corded hand held vacuum  - suction only with ribbed floor head perimeter for pet hair.
  5. Black and Decker VH900 - suction only.
  6. Black and Decker VH900GB with cyclonic action - suction only.
  7. Vax Gator mains powered hand held - suction only.
  8. Chinese made budget brands; Swan, Turbo Tiger, Hometek etc
  9. Hoover mains powered (car vac) hand held - suction only.

Also, the latest Nickel cadmium batteries are designed to last longer - they start to loose power when owners expect too much of them or put them through tasks that owners willingly know that a bigger and more powerful vacuum can handle.

 

 


Post# 204124 , Reply# 18   10/18/2012 at 12:28 (2,721 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I stand corrected Ryan, I'd never seen any corded handhelds in any catalogues in the past so assumed they were in minority.

Post# 204125 , Reply# 19   10/18/2012 at 12:33 (2,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Try and use Google dear, it's amazing what you can learn.


Post# 204129 , Reply# 20   10/18/2012 at 12:57 (2,721 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Mr. Sebo_Fan....

 

How about a little less snarky tone?


Post# 204131 , Reply# 21   10/18/2012 at 13:27 (2,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Apologies to both Jamie and anyone else. 


Post# 204229 , Reply# 22   10/19/2012 at 18:14 (2,720 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

This might be a bit random but I still have the original Dyson DC16 handheld from 2006 and it still works fine. I kinda got used to the 6 minute run time. Its on its 2nd battery as the original one started to play up after 2 years or so but been fine since. The latest handhelds from Dyson look great & if the battery life is extended then its even better but I'd never spend that amount on a handheld cleaner. Though I did spend 100 on my DC16, I feel a bit crazy for doing so!

Post# 204238 , Reply# 23   10/19/2012 at 21:22 (2,720 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think that's justifiable though - we all spend money on the things that take our fancy. Though I've never quite gone for it (for example) the Miele S4 Hybrid makes a good case for itself but at price pushing 400, I just wouldn't bother. That's not to say it isn't any good - same with the Dyson - unless the machine takes your fancy and it turns out to be good, then yes perhaps it is worth spending the extra on.




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