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when does "a few Panasonic's" become "too many Panasonic's"?
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Post# 203225   10/9/2012 at 13:58 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Answer: NEVER!

 

From right to left:

MC-E43 (1987-1991)

MC-E44 (1992 - 1995)

MC-E46 (1992 - 1993)
MC-E47 (1993 - 1995)

MC-E54 (1992 - 1995)

 

 





Post# 203227 , Reply# 1   10/9/2012 at 14:00 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Brochure


Post# 203229 , Reply# 2   10/9/2012 at 14:01 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Post# 203235 , Reply# 8   10/9/2012 at 14:07 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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(somebody needs to tell this lass she needs to plug 'er oovah in!)


Post# 203236 , Reply# 9   10/9/2012 at 14:08 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Page 8 - the specs


Post# 203238 , Reply# 10   10/9/2012 at 14:14 (2,731 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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If I had that many Hoovers I'd be very happy indeed!

What exactly is it that you like about Panasonics compared to other brands?


Post# 203239 , Reply# 11   10/9/2012 at 14:17 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Bit of info...

 

The cleaners pictured in the brochure are the original line-up from 1986 - the 41, 42 and 43 uprights. All of these featured a 600w motor and had the clear smoked plastic tool cover. These are pretty rare these days. 

 

By 1988, the 41N. 42N and 43N had replaced the original line up. The smoked plastic tool cover was replaced (they were always a weak point - prone to falling open in use and cracking) by a solid cover and the motor was upgraded to 650w. 

 

This line up ran for a few years with some very minor cosmetic changes, but all with the same model number. The majority of these changes were simply the letting used on the cleaners or the inclusion of an extension hose. 

 

In 1992, the MC-E44, 45 and 46 was launched alongside the larger, more powerful 50 series (53, 54 and 55). These style cleaners featured a 700w motor and both the 45 and 46 came with an extension hose (you had to buy it separately with the 44). The 45 and 46 were discontinued in 93 and replaced with a single cleaner - the 47 - which ran alongside the 44. Somewhere along the line, the top end 50 series MC-E55 was also discontinued, so the line up of 44, 47, 53 and 54 ran from 93-95. 

 

In late 95, the newly designed 400 series was launched alongside the 500 series (which was, at the time, just a 50 series cleaner with a longer hose and slightly more powerful motor, though it was eventually completely redesigned, as per the 400 series). 


Post# 203241 , Reply# 12   10/9/2012 at 14:23 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
What exactly is it that you like about Panasonics compared t

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Good question, Jamie.

Aside from the fact that the white MC-E44 pictured above is the machine I grew up with (the SAME machine - 20 years of use with my Mother and it still runs like the day it was bought), I just think they're fantastic overall vacuums. 

 

There is no denying the cleaning performance of a Hoover on carpet, and certainly no denying the suction power of an Electrolux, but the Panasonics seem to do well in both upright and tool mode - they're sort of the happy medium. Strong suction power combined with an easy to use floating head design and a decent brushroll that really does make the grit BOUNCE out of the carpet - not to mention they're incredibly reliable, easy to use, weren't too expensive and were absolutely common as muck in my childhood, so I have lots of memories behind each machine. 

 

 


Post# 203242 , Reply# 13   10/9/2012 at 14:27 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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here is the 1992 line up from Argos of the same year


Post# 203243 , Reply# 14   10/9/2012 at 14:33 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The top of the range Panasonic at the time was the MC-E55. The 50 series were larger and more powerful than the 40 series, but not quite as popular (similar to the Hoover Junior/Senior situation). All the 50 series came with 900w variable power as standard, the top 2 machines came with cord winders and the TOL came with a headlight and LED power control display.

 


Post# 203244 , Reply# 15   10/9/2012 at 14:34 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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By this time, more and more vacuum manufacturers were adding longer and longer hoses to their cleaners. The Panasonic hoses were notoriously short. To compete, Panasonic started offering an extension hose with their cleaners. I believe the extension hose came as standard with the TOL 40 series and both the mid and TOL 50 series cleaners. It was available as an optional extra for the lower spec models via a redemption leaflet, but at an extra cost. 


Post# 203246 , Reply# 16   10/9/2012 at 15:00 (2,731 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Turbo500, what excellent cleaners you have. I used to stock the basic model for many years. I must suggest to you that the smoked plastic tools cover was replaced with a solid colour before the introduction of the N letter on the model number and the fitting of the new 650 watt motor. As you can see in your booklet, all three models have a panel on the front of the cleaning head to accommodate a head lamp, even though it is only the MCE43 which has the lamp. The 41 and 42 have the headlamp blanked off. It was these cleaners which had the smoked tool cover. They also had a problematic roller brush, which was prone to losing the edge cleaning brush from it. Panasonic modified the cleaners so that the tool cover was a solid colour matched cover, had a new, redesigned brush roll, and on models 41 and 42 made the cleaning head a single moulding with no need to blank off the headlamp space. These all had the 600 watt motor.

As for when the N letter appeared along with the 650 watt motor, I thought it was a short while later than 1988 but I will be guided by your own references as mine is purely a failing memory for such detail. I do recall that the extension hose was included with all models across the entire range from about 1990. I think mainly because the Electrolux Contour had gone on sale and the longer hose was a huge selling point, because of course until then if one bought a cleaner with on-board tools the compromise (not withstanding the larger price tag which was also a potential deal breaker too) was the very short hose. Of the cleaners I had on show in my window, I used to hook the extension hose over the handle for display purposes.


Post# 203247 , Reply# 17   10/9/2012 at 15:05 (2,731 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I also remember the 400 series being available at the end of 1994, but I know we had that conversation before.

Post# 203248 , Reply# 18   10/9/2012 at 15:13 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi Benny,

 

Thanks for the info. 

 

The info regarding dates of the 40N cleaners is from the Argos scans and brochures I have from around that time. Their first appearance was Autumn/Winter 88. 

Regarding the extension hose, as I've said a thousand times before, my Mum bought the basic MC-E44 brand new in 1992, but we never had the extension hose for ours. My Dad seems to recall it being an optional extra via a leaflet. Perhaps it depended on where you purchased the cleaner as to whether or not it was included?

 

Thanks for clarifying the situation with the smoked plastic cover. Panasonic obviously clocked onto the problems with these pretty sharpish and replaced them. 

 

Chris


Post# 203249 , Reply# 19   10/9/2012 at 15:21 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I also remember the 400 series being available at the end of

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I purposely didn't get into too much detail with the 400's as the dates are a little blury. I also know VERY little about the later redesigned 500 series cleaners so didn't want to get into those too much


Post# 203250 , Reply# 20   10/9/2012 at 15:22 (2,731 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello Chris. I didn't realise you'd mentioned the not having the hose with your mums cleaner, so do please forgive me. As it is model 44, I am wondering if Panasonic had stopped including it on the base model, perhaps in an attempt to force an upgrade to a higher specification model, because as you rightly point out, it was still included with models 45 and 46. I don't recall having that much to do with the model 44 as I had stocks of the 41 which saw me right through the period where the 44 was the current model. The last cleaners I bought in this style were in a beautiful deep racing green colour. I had three, one of which I took home for my mother and two which I sold retail. I am not sure what model these were, what I do know was they still available after the 400 range had gone on sale.

Post# 203251 , Reply# 21   10/9/2012 at 15:26 (2,731 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Ah, well, you see the 400 came in three guises, the white colour being the basic
model, and I think the red version being the electronic with headlight. I think the mid range model was blue, but I could be wrong as I saw too few of anything above the base model. It was almost as though Panasonic were more keen to promote the base models. I expect that overall there was more profit in them. All of course had a 750w model, and all had two new features over the previous range, this being the longer hose and the brush roller stop.


Post# 203252 , Reply# 22   10/9/2012 at 15:42 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi Benny,

 

You're spot on with the 400's - I remember all 3 cleaners well. The basic white, the dark blue with variable power and TOL red with variable power and headlight.

 

The green model you mentioned is the MC-E47, pictured above (although it looks rather dark, it is actually green). Here is a better pic. 

 

This one ran alongside the MC-E44 from 93-95, and then continued as a budget vac (and later an exclusive, I believe) for maybe another year or so. 


Post# 203254 , Reply# 23   10/9/2012 at 15:52 (2,731 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes that is the cleaner I write about! Thank you. I took one for my mother to use in place of her Electrolux 504. She used it as an upright machine, but having been hit in the face the first time she tried the hose, she never ever used the tools. She would have been 80 years old and it really upset her. If this ran alongside the model 44, what happened to the grey 45, and why did it need to be replaced with an identical specification, I wonder? All I remember about it was that in late 1994 one of my suppliers, I think Electrupart, was selling them off. I had the choice of buying these or something from the 400 series. These were slightly cheaper than the base model 400, but what I did not realise until I had them was that the 400 had a higher wattage motor, longer hose, and brush stop, all of which was attractive to a consumer. I think the base 400 cleaner used to retail for around £90 and I sold my model 47's for about £85, just to get rid of them. I know I made virtually nothing on them, but that is business for you.

Post# 203256 , Reply# 24   10/9/2012 at 16:05 (2,731 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi Benny,

 

Again, many thanks for the insight. Just checked over my catalogues for reference - the MC-E450 (basic white model) made it's first catalogue appeared in 1995 and retailed for £99.00 with the blue MC-E451 with variable power coming in at £109.00. Very similar price tags to the original 40 series.

 

For some reason, Argos did not stock the top end red model, so I have no reference for this (though I remember seeing it about). I presume it was because they stocked both the 450 and 451, with the larger 553 clocking in at £129. I suppose it would have been bad business practice to stock the whole line and detract from sales of the larger, more expensive machines. 


Post# 203261 , Reply# 25   10/9/2012 at 16:14 (2,730 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It was Currys where I saw them first. I had gone to buy a TV set for my mothers 80th birthday which was in late 1995 and that is when I saw the new Panasonic uprights. They may well have also sold them for £99.99, I cannot quite recall the exact price, but it was certainly around the £100 mark. Of course back then all electrical goods were more or less the same price in all stores, unless one happened to find one in a sale. I think with the likes of Argos, they are limited as to just how much of anything they can stock. I agree with you that with so many other Panasonic models to choose, not to mention those from other manufacturers, they restricted the range.

Having said that, the red Panasonic 400 model would have been one of just two or three domestic cleaners to have a headlamp at this point in time, which would of course have made it very appealing to anyone who required such a feature, so it could have sold easily perhaps. Then again, I think headlamps were rather passée by 1995.


Post# 203262 , Reply# 26   10/9/2012 at 16:14 (2,730 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Sorry it was late 1994 when she was 80, she was born in 1914.

Post# 203270 , Reply# 27   10/9/2012 at 17:10 (2,730 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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There is nothing wrong with liking Panasonics!! Some love Hoover, some love Sanitaire, some love Kirby, some love Bissell. There are tons of vacuum stores out there that absolutely swear by Panasonics as terrific machines. I think its a brand that people get confused over because they're not strictly vacuums.

Panasonic as you know does TV's, Phones, Microwaves, Vacuum Cleaners, Irons and more! They don't have a "Specialty" in vacuums in comparison to brands like Hoover, Eureka, Royal, etc. However, many swear by Miele and Miele offers washing machines, dish washers and other appliances. I think of Panasonic similar to the way I think of Husqvarna. Panasonics vacuums aren't the best ever, but they're certainly no where near the bottom of the barrell. They're a good overall machine at fairly reasonable price. Husqvarna produces lawn mowers, weed wackers, leaf blowers, tractors and lots of outdoor power equipment, but they don't specialize in just mowers or just handheld power equipment. No one thing of theirs is really the absolute best but certainly not bottom of the barrell either.

Panasonic has good machines and not so good machines. There is an upright line with poor motor support which eventually the tension from the belt, breaks the base. Some of their newer motors are said to possibly only last 5 years. I find that subjective to use and abuse, however its still much better compared to some vacs close in price that would last about 14 months.

Looking over Panasonics history they have also tried numerous innovations in vacuum cleaners and other products. For example the dual hose suction duct design for an upright line, and in canisters the recent air basket models of the OptiFlo series.
The majority of Kenmore vacuums from the 90's to now have all been made by Panasonic. Due to Sears consistently having weekly and biweekly sales ads in Sunday papers, 90% of which have at least one power nozzle canister pictured for sale, dating back to who knows what year, Kenmore has become the most popular selling brand of canister vacuums.

I say,Enjoy your Panasonics and be proud of what you have!


Post# 203319 , Reply# 28   10/9/2012 at 22:38 (2,730 days old) by mieles7 (DFW, TX)        

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I love that type of clean air design. My Riccar uses a similar design, and you an really hear the suction through the nozzle.




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