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Post# 202013   9/27/2012 at 15:42 (3,827 days old) by trebor ()        

and have it manufactured, what would it be? It can be any combination of features from any vacuum cleaners that were actually built and sold. It has to be reasonable and doable, even to include a new mold for a housing, or some change like that. You may post more than once.


Mine would be: A soft bag Hoover Elite II with a Concept I motor, Quadriflex brushroll, Windtunnel nozzle design and 12 blade fan, 50 ft cord, with tool carrier option of either on or off the handle. Comments, suggestions and comparisons are invited.



Post# 202033 , Reply# 1   9/27/2012 at 17:30 (3,827 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Good idea Trebor,I've designed many vacuums in the past,I'll have to go digging around for those old blueprints...

As for right now, Convertible base, With a 12 amp convertible motor, Along with my "Anti-Cloth Filter bag" Concept set up, I'll have to get out blueprints for clarification :D

Till then,

Post# 202040 , Reply# 2   9/27/2012 at 18:49 (3,827 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        

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I would like to design two vacuums, one upright and one canister.
The upright would be a Kirby Sanitronic based machine with stronger metal fan, stainless steel brush roller in the 'Oblique' style, it would have a Mini Emtor like the new Sentria II and use HEPA bags. The hose would be wired for powered mini nozzle, most of the other attachments would be metal, not plastic and shampooers and other rarely-used attachments would be dropped.
The canister would be a cross between a Filter Queen and a Fairfax. It would have a sound-insulated motor for quiet operation like a Filter Queen, but use HEPA filter bags in the style of a Fairfax. It would have an older Eureka style power nozzle with an 'Oblique' style stainless steel brush roller. Again, metal attachments and a powered mini nozzle. The hose would have the handle of the older Majestic Triple Crown, but have a botton-lock for wands and attachments. I would like it to have an optional 'wet pick-up' attachment set with 'carpet shampooing' capabilities. The Power Nozzle would have a head light, maybe a row of LEDs.
There, what do you think?

Post# 202046 , Reply# 3   9/27/2012 at 19:17 (3,827 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)        

what if i build vacuums that look the exact same way that old ones do but with new motors and fans and bags so they have todays filtering and power. so i could manufacture all models of kirby with new motors and fans and bag filtration. wouldent that be cool?? but of coarse we would need the manufaturers permision

Post# 202059 , Reply# 4   9/27/2012 at 20:01 (3,827 days old) by Trebor ()        
What is the obsession with metal attachments?

A rug tool, a bare floor brush, fine. Metal wands for the floor tools, fine, but for dusting, upholstery, and crevice tools and the wands to reach with them, plastic is lighter, also you do not risk damaging walls and furniture nearly as much with plastic tools.

Post# 202060 , Reply# 5   9/27/2012 at 20:14 (3,827 days old) by kenkart ()        
That is EASY for me!

I would make a new Apex Strato Cleaner, make the bag a little easier to change,and I would re design the attachments..It would be, however, a straight suction machine,it already was the strongest machine on the market back then, when I got thru with the motor you would not need a power nozzle..I would try to get at least 125 to 150 inches of waterlift and over 125 cubic feet of airflow, For an upright, Again, a slightly re designed Apex 603, install a top fill disposable bag, and it would be darn near perfect.

Post# 202067 , Reply# 6   9/27/2012 at 21:33 (3,827 days old) by cam2s (Nebraska)        

My custom creation would include:

Tri-Star motor/bag/filter setup, for optimal power and retention of suction as the bag fills.

On board attachments. I really like the attachments on my Power Tank, they have plastic heads for lightness and metal connectors for strength. They also handle massive airflow without getting stuck to the surface being vacuumed. As for storage, I think I would like a saddle similar to the Power Tank's setup would work. They are securely held, yet ready to be drawn at a moments notice. The saddle could also act as an oversized bumper.

7" or 10" hose, with gas pump style handle included electronic speed control, suction/brush roll on/off, and a nice padded grip. I would like it to have a small nozzle protruding from the handle that the attachments fit over, as opposed to the Power Tank or Dimension 1000 hoses where the attachments fit in the handle.

For a power nozzle, I'd have a Windtunnel style agitator cavity with a quadraflex brush roll. I think a strip of LED lights for illumination would be nice as well.

I can't decided if I want a super long power cord or a cord winder.

Of course, the whole package needs be stylish and some sound insulation for quietness wouldn't hurt either.


Post# 202073 , Reply# 7   9/27/2012 at 22:21 (3,826 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
First you all know mine is a power nozzle canister!!

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Suction unit will body style of a Panasonic Jet Flo from the 90's with rubberized coated 4 metal caster wheels as on the Royal Power Tanks. All of the attachments from the Panasonic Jet Flo can stay the same except for the upholstery nozzle, that would switch to Hoover's canister upholstery nozzle with the rubber fingers. Electrolux Sidekick mini power head mounted on wands or over bag compartment door. On/off switch would be mounted on front for easy step on as with Eureka Rotomatics-1700 series, cord rewind button would be easy to use like that of Hoover Dimension 1000 or Kenmore Progressive.

Exact copy of Hoover Futura/ Dimension 1000 basic hose grip handle with upgraded hose material as used on later PowerMax and older style Windtunnel bagged canisters. 360 swivel at canister. As with plain style hand grip, suction regulator would be on handle. Aluminum, push button lock and release activated telescoping wand as seen on Riccars, with foot pedal release of Riccars.

Powernozzle--body style of Oreck Quest Pro with foot operated brush roll on/off as on Hoover Quadraflex or Panasonic Jet-Flo. Metal base plate, Wheels and height adjuster and brushroll monitor and serpentine belt to that of Riccar/ Simplicity power nozzle. Nozzle opening is Hoover Windtunnel designed to allow great airflow across entire nozzle width and sufficient suction to reach brushes around belt. Thoroughly sealing gaskets around swivel neck and on agitator around belt. Sealed, smooth lining on Suction duct so there is no place for dirt to get stuck on anything. Hoover Power nozzle motor for that great purring sound!!! Air channel grooved on sides for edge cleaning as on RotoMatic power heads. Hoover Windtunnel canister agitator with chevron shape but ends similar to that of Eureka RotoMatic with metal slip on end caps.

Navy blue color exact same as either Hoover PowerMax S3603-040 or Hoover PowerMax Deluxe S3606 without see through bag compartment.

Post# 202100 , Reply# 8   9/28/2012 at 09:26 (3,826 days old) by trebor ()        
This is fun!

Let's have more participation guys!

Post# 202103 , Reply# 9   9/28/2012 at 11:16 (3,826 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        

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A dirt devil broom vac with a metal chasis a slightly deeper and more durable fan, poly bags, a 4 row brushroll that is stiffer than the original

I used to have a diagram of a compact canister (similar to the portapower or buster B) which had a vertically mounted motor i think a sanyo transformax motor would have been suitable as they are fairly powerful for the size it would have also had a bag cage similar to the older luxs around the bag, and there would have been a small amount of space around all sides of the bag cage just as lux did to allow for decent airflow retention

Post# 202189 , Reply# 10   9/28/2012 at 19:26 (3,826 days old) by Ipreferkirby ()        
My design

My design would be a Dyson cyclonic canister, Areus lux guardian motor/fan, metal base plate, Electrolux nimble hose/wand system, Kenmore intuition tools.

Post# 202194 , Reply# 11   9/28/2012 at 20:34 (3,826 days old) by ryan1994jeep (Georgia)        
Water Filtration Upright

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A water filtration upright vacuum. Not sure how exactly how I would design it, but in a way the water basin can be easily removed much like a bagless vacuum.

If any one has any ideas why this wouldn't work please comment, because Iv'e always wondered why there hasn't been any produced.

Post# 202199 , Reply# 12   9/28/2012 at 21:30 (3,826 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)        

uprights move alot more so the water in the basin would splash around alot more. if somehow the water level got below the tube that let the dirt in to the water basin then there would be dust everywhere. canisters dont move as much. it is the hose that moves

Post# 202238 , Reply# 13   9/29/2012 at 04:57 (3,825 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Don't do this at home with your Dyson-Legend at one of the vac shops is that some woman filled the Dyson dirt bin to the fill level with WATER and used it like a Rainbow!The Dyson wasn't the same after that.Just DON'T do that with your Dyson!I am still thinking on this vacuum designing.The idea of the Royal DD Broom vacuum in a metal version is interesting-and please make it with a metal fan and grounded cord-bet some commercial cleaners would love such a vacuum-good for cleaning in offices around all of those desks and such.Maybe TTI might take up that idea?

Post# 202255 , Reply# 14   9/29/2012 at 09:50 (3,825 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Water filtration upright

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I think of the filtropur design when i hear that, as the unique design would always keep the basin level as for the movement of the upright perhaps with a seperator design and some baffles it could be done it would have some nasty handle weight though

Here's the filtropur

Post# 202397 , Reply# 15   9/30/2012 at 16:02 (3,824 days old) by Trebor ()        

A Hoover Dial-A-Matic with a proper diameter duct hose and a Celebrity motor for suction, a P/N motor to drive the agitator, and Windtunnel design in the nozzle.

Post# 202460 , Reply# 16   9/30/2012 at 21:54 (3,824 days old) by vacu-finder ()        

Well Trebor.....
I would finally agree on you with that one, sounds good to me.

Post# 202468 , Reply# 17   10/1/2012 at 01:00 (3,823 days old) by thomas_squared (Pomona, California)        
New Hoover Dial-a-Matic

I like Trebors idea of a new Dial-A-Matic.

It would need to have powerdrive so it could be considered a top of the line model, easy to use on thick, highpile carpets, and allow for high airflow and suction.

The motors, one for the brushroll and one for the suction and powerdrive, would be brushless, magnet motors to enable more powerful, quieter, more reliable operation. The brushroll would have replaceable brushstrips and interchangable beaterbars. There would be one bar in the middle where the belt on would have run on other machines. The powerdrive would have a variable engangement rate to avoid jerkiness, on different carpet types, and depending users preferences. The electronic controller would be able to vary the motor speeds indipendently, including turning the brushroll off for bare floors. It would also light the full bag light and finally turn the motor off to save it from damage. The height adjustment would work like a Kirby so that it can quickly be adjusted to different carpets and floors. A micro adjustment screw would also be included to fine tune to any carpet height. The tools would be on board.

My family has used a Dial-A-Matic for over 30 years without a blockage. Are they really that bad at blocking, if used correctly? Also, is it just me or is every Windtunnel you open blocked. I hope that wasn't too long, guess the engineer in me just took over.

Post# 202471 , Reply# 18   10/1/2012 at 07:41 (3,823 days old) by trebor ()        
The duct hose...

on the Dial-a-matic is small in diameter for its purpose

Post# 202478 , Reply# 19   10/1/2012 at 10:46 (3,823 days old) by thomas_squared (Pomona, California)        

Oh thats true, it must be quite a restriction.

Post# 458303 , Reply# 20   11/29/2022 at 19:09 by ajr2993 (Bakersfield, CA)        
A Royal All-Metal upright on steroids.

A revived Royal metal upright with a 12.5 brushless direct-air motor with a 15-blade custom metal fan with curved blades, a geared belt, HEPA outer bag with self-sealing bottom-fill HEPA disposable bags, a custom wooden chevron brush roll with brush roll stiffeners and ultra-stiff bristles, an LED headlight, a brush roll performance indicator, and motor protection. Since Royal no longer makes parts for their vacuum cleaners, I just 3D print the parts and make them the same quality as the OEM parts.

Post# 458307 , Reply# 21   11/30/2022 at 00:19 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Royal metal upright--this could be an idea for Kirbys new model??Surprized someone hasn't bought up and revived Royal.

Post# 458322 , Reply# 22   11/30/2022 at 15:45 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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If someone wanted to revised the Royal metal uprights, they would've done so already as there's no need to wait for patents to expire. But think about why the Royal metal uprights were discontinued in the first place. If you ask me, they're just outdated designs. I used to vacuum for a furniture store with a commercial Royal metal upright that was mine before but gave to them and regretted doing so. It actually got tiring to use. There were belts that had to be changed. There was no hose and attachments on-board. And I actually cracked the fan despite it being metal. I remember there was one other thing that I broke on it but I can't remember what it was. The same went with a commercial Sanitaire Widetrack that was also mine before but gave to them as well and regretted doing so. Had to change the belts out, broke the fan, and had to constantly get the Shop-Vac the store had out to use the hose that the Sanitaire or Royal couldn't get to. Not to mention the shake out bag on the Sanitaire blew out alot of dust. All of that would've been avoided if I had used something like a Windsor Versamatic or a Lindhaus RX Eco Force for example with geared belts, on-board hose and attachments, bypass design, multiple filtration, etc. Stuff that most consumers and commercial applications want to have because not all of them would feel comfortable fixing vacuums themselves or visit a vacuum store to wait and have them fix the vacuum.

Post# 458338 , Reply# 23   12/1/2022 at 06:59 by Thevacomaticiec (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada )        

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If i may here ....


A  ShopVac with a  proper power head to accept the  2  1/2  inch  hose  . Oh   yes the big   hose  with  a  power head  like  a rebadge eureka nozzle but  made for the big wands . 

A big motor  6,0 HP  brush less similar to the new rainbow  and blower port  to ,  or more 16 gallons  20 feet  hose with   a on off switch  for suction motor and  power head  (similar to  central  vac  on off 3 position on hose handle  ) With  some   metal tools and wands  and still  able pick  up water  and  dry wall hepa filters  to  .

Maybe  stick  a cyclo vac central  vacuum  motor in the  16  gallon  wet dry  vac  ?   Add   cord  rewind quick  connect   hose and tools but the bigger 2 1/2  inch  version  why not  ???

Post# 458361 , Reply# 24   12/2/2022 at 01:03 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Recently acquired a proteam backpack sierra version.
It has a 50 foot power cord. It has a loing hose any extension wands and attachments. The best feature is the wessell werk ebk 360 power nozzle.
I can vacuum all 2000 soft on each level from one outlet.
If it could do wet pickup and battery powered would be the ultimate. I'm just satisfied with the options I have.

Post# 458363 , Reply# 25   12/2/2022 at 04:05 by Thevacomaticiec (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada )        

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can you post a pic of it 

Post# 458385 , Reply# 26   12/3/2022 at 00:24 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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There it is .

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Post# 458390 , Reply# 27   12/3/2022 at 03:38 by Thevacomaticiec (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada )        

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nice  set up  how the compact  doing?


Post# 458391 , Reply# 28   12/3/2022 at 09:32 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        

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I'm guessing you must have a separate ebk360 that you pair with that?

Post# 458405 , Reply# 29   12/3/2022 at 19:25 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
A modernized MVP ultra

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I know i've talked about this before but if i were to design a vacuum I would base it off the Dirt Devil Ultra MVP, some of you may wonder why. This vacuum has the most airflow at the nozzle of any bypass upright i've tested. Running around ~130 CFM but they suffer from a weak brushroll motor/belt issues. This design has so much potential the performance of a direct air machine with the convenience of a bypass.

I'd want to use a suction motor with great performance but more efficient than the stock one to allow for a stronger brushroll motor. I think the Ametek 122454 motor used in the Patriot would be a great fit it maxes out at 9.6 amps but provides great flow and suction.
I'd also want to address the brushroll stalling issue by installing vent holes and a slider similar to what ZeroG or the Rainbow SRX does to allow it to clean soft carpet while also switching it over to a geared belt system and moving the belt path to one end of the nozzle.
New switches and locations would also make it much more user friendly the brushroll control is something I find annoying on the standard MVP
A diverter valve would be added to the back of the machine to allow for more hose power.
A machine like this should have strong bags so only hepa bags would be made for it to reduce the chance of bursting.
The tools would be of better quality like horsehair bristles etc
Weight would need to be reduced where it could while also keeping it sturdy

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Post# 458407 , Reply# 30   12/3/2022 at 21:19 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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You look at pic 2 on the right of the picture that's the proteam newer ebk 360 model.
The compacts still in my room and I use it to clean my room and vacuum out things with.

Post# 458408 , Reply# 31   12/3/2022 at 21:21 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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3rd pic also I'd the 360. It's clean over the brush roll housing.

Post# 458410 , Reply# 32   12/4/2022 at 05:50 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        

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That's....definitely not a wessel werk ebk360.

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Post# 458413 , Reply# 33   12/4/2022 at 15:22 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Great vacs power nozzle upgrade.
Here's a pic. It's got on off on the left side six height adjustment on the right side a light and a reset button. It's height adjustment wheel on the bottom is similar to wessell werk.

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Post# 458414 , Reply# 34   12/4/2022 at 15:27 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Look at the

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Great vacs version.
Power nozzle insignia same location. The reset button in exact same location it has the same height adjustment pedals. It's clear on the brush housing.
Idk what your looking at but it's not a great vacs wessell werk power nozzle?

Post# 458415 , Reply# 35   12/4/2022 at 15:37 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Not a wessell werk it's a Chinese knockoff.

Post# 458420 , Reply# 36   12/4/2022 at 17:19 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I'd actually love to see a Dirt Devil Ultra MVP like that! Though it'd probably be marketed as either Hoover or Oreck as I think that'd be too expensive to sell under the Dirt Devil brand nowadays, at least for portables since their central vacs are pretty pricey.

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