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Thread Number: 18385
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| Post# 202033 , Reply# 1 9/27/2012 at 17:30 (4,225 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
Good idea Trebor,I've designed many vacuums in the past,I'll have to go digging around for those old blueprints...
As for right now, Convertible base, With a 12 amp convertible motor, Along with my "Anti-Cloth Filter bag" Concept set up, I'll have to get out blueprints for clarification :D Till then, -Alex. | ||
| Post# 202040 , Reply# 2 9/27/2012 at 18:49 (4,225 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah) | ||
I would like to design two vacuums, one upright and one canister.
The upright would be a Kirby Sanitronic based machine with stronger metal fan, stainless steel brush roller in the 'Oblique' style, it would have a Mini Emtor like the new Sentria II and use HEPA bags. The hose would be wired for powered mini nozzle, most of the other attachments would be metal, not plastic and shampooers and other rarely-used attachments would be dropped. The canister would be a cross between a Filter Queen and a Fairfax. It would have a sound-insulated motor for quiet operation like a Filter Queen, but use HEPA filter bags in the style of a Fairfax. It would have an older Eureka style power nozzle with an 'Oblique' style stainless steel brush roller. Again, metal attachments and a powered mini nozzle. The hose would have the handle of the older Majestic Triple Crown, but have a botton-lock for wands and attachments. I would like it to have an optional 'wet pick-up' attachment set with 'carpet shampooing' capabilities. The Power Nozzle would have a head light, maybe a row of LEDs. There, what do you think? Justin | ||
| Post# 202046 , Reply# 3 9/27/2012 at 19:17 (4,225 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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what if i build vacuums that look the exact same way that old ones do but with new motors and fans and bags so they have todays filtering and power. so i could manufacture all models of kirby with new motors and fans and bag filtration. wouldent that be cool?? but of coarse we would need the manufaturers permision | ||
Post# 202073 , Reply# 7 9/27/2012 at 22:21 (4,225 days old) by Durango159  (State College, PA) |
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First you all know mine is a power nozzle canister!!
Suction unit will body style of a Panasonic Jet Flo from the 90's with rubberized coated 4 metal caster wheels as on the Royal Power Tanks. All of the attachments from the Panasonic Jet Flo can stay the same except for the upholstery nozzle, that would switch to Hoover's canister upholstery nozzle with the rubber fingers. Electrolux Sidekick mini power head mounted on wands or over bag compartment door. On/off switch would be mounted on front for easy step on as with Eureka Rotomatics-1700 series, cord rewind button would be easy to use like that of Hoover Dimension 1000 or Kenmore Progressive.
Exact copy of Hoover Futura/ Dimension 1000 basic hose grip handle with upgraded hose material as used on later PowerMax and older style Windtunnel bagged canisters. 360 swivel at canister. As with plain style hand grip, suction regulator would be on handle. Aluminum, push button lock and release activated telescoping wand as seen on Riccars, with foot pedal release of Riccars. Powernozzle--body style of Oreck Quest Pro with foot operated brush roll on/off as on Hoover Quadraflex or Panasonic Jet-Flo. Metal base plate, Wheels and height adjuster and brushroll monitor and serpentine belt to that of Riccar/ Simplicity power nozzle. Nozzle opening is Hoover Windtunnel designed to allow great airflow across entire nozzle width and sufficient suction to reach brushes around belt. Thoroughly sealing gaskets around swivel neck and on agitator around belt. Sealed, smooth lining on Suction duct so there is no place for dirt to get stuck on anything. Hoover Power nozzle motor for that great purring sound!!! Air channel grooved on sides for edge cleaning as on RotoMatic power heads. Hoover Windtunnel canister agitator with chevron shape but ends similar to that of Eureka RotoMatic with metal slip on end caps. Navy blue color exact same as either Hoover PowerMax S3603-040 or Hoover PowerMax Deluxe S3606 without see through bag compartment. | ||
| Post# 202100 , Reply# 8 9/28/2012 at 09:26 (4,225 days old) by trebor () | ||
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This is fun! Let's have more participation guys! | ||
| Post# 202103 , Reply# 9 9/28/2012 at 11:16 (4,225 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Well..
A dirt devil broom vac with a metal chasis a slightly deeper and more durable fan, poly bags, a 4 row brushroll that is stiffer than the original
I used to have a diagram of a compact canister (similar to the portapower or buster B) which had a vertically mounted motor i think a sanyo transformax motor would have been suitable as they are fairly powerful for the size it would have also had a bag cage similar to the older luxs around the bag, and there would have been a small amount of space around all sides of the bag cage just as lux did to allow for decent airflow retention | ||
| Post# 202189 , Reply# 10 9/28/2012 at 19:26 (4,224 days old) by Ipreferkirby () | ||
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My design My design would be a Dyson cyclonic canister, Areus lux guardian motor/fan, metal base plate, Electrolux nimble hose/wand system, Kenmore intuition tools. | ||
| Post# 202194 , Reply# 11 9/28/2012 at 20:34 (4,224 days old) by ryan1994jeep (Georgia) | ||
Water Filtration Upright | ||
| Post# 202199 , Reply# 12 9/28/2012 at 21:30 (4,224 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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uprights move alot more so the water in the basin would splash around alot more. if somehow the water level got below the tube that let the dirt in to the water basin then there would be dust everywhere. canisters dont move as much. it is the hose that moves | ||
| Post# 202255 , Reply# 14 9/29/2012 at 09:50 (4,224 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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Water filtration upright
I think of the filtropur design when i hear that, as the unique design would always keep the basin level as for the movement of the upright perhaps with a seperator design and some baffles it could be done it would have some nasty handle weight though
Here's the filtropur www.filtropur.net/html/filtropur_... | ||
| Post# 202397 , Reply# 15 9/30/2012 at 16:02 (4,222 days old) by Trebor () | ||
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Another... A Hoover Dial-A-Matic with a proper diameter duct hose and a Celebrity motor for suction, a P/N motor to drive the agitator, and Windtunnel design in the nozzle. | ||
| Post# 202460 , Reply# 16 9/30/2012 at 21:54 (4,222 days old) by vacu-finder () | ||
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Another... Well Trebor..... I would finally agree on you with that one, sounds good to me. | ||
| Post# 202471 , Reply# 18 10/1/2012 at 07:41 (4,222 days old) by trebor () | ||
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The duct hose... on the Dial-a-matic is small in diameter for its purpose | ||
| Post# 202478 , Reply# 19 10/1/2012 at 10:46 (4,222 days old) by thomas_squared (Pomona, California) | ||
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Oh thats true, it must be quite a restriction. | ||
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Post# 458307 , Reply# 21 11/30/2022 at 00:19 (510 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Royal metal upright--this could be an idea for Kirbys new model??Surprized someone hasn't bought up and revived Royal. | ||
| Post# 458322 , Reply# 22 11/30/2022 at 15:45 (509 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
If someone wanted to revised the Royal metal uprights, they would've done so already as there's no need to wait for patents to expire. But think about why the Royal metal uprights were discontinued in the first place. If you ask me, they're just outdated designs. I used to vacuum for a furniture store with a commercial Royal metal upright that was mine before but gave to them and regretted doing so. It actually got tiring to use. There were belts that had to be changed. There was no hose and attachments on-board. And I actually cracked the fan despite it being metal. I remember there was one other thing that I broke on it but I can't remember what it was. The same went with a commercial Sanitaire Widetrack that was also mine before but gave to them as well and regretted doing so. Had to change the belts out, broke the fan, and had to constantly get the Shop-Vac the store had out to use the hose that the Sanitaire or Royal couldn't get to. Not to mention the shake out bag on the Sanitaire blew out alot of dust. All of that would've been avoided if I had used something like a Windsor Versamatic or a Lindhaus RX Eco Force for example with geared belts, on-board hose and attachments, bypass design, multiple filtration, etc. Stuff that most consumers and commercial applications want to have because not all of them would feel comfortable fixing vacuums themselves or visit a vacuum store to wait and have them fix the vacuum.
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Post# 458338 , Reply# 23 12/1/2022 at 06:59 (509 days old) by Thevacomaticiec (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada ) |
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 If i may here ....
A ShopVac with a proper power head to accept the 2 1/2 inch hose . Oh yes the big hose with a power head like a rebadge eureka nozzle but made for the big wands . A big motor 6,0 HP brush less similar to the new rainbow and blower port to , or more 16 gallons 20 feet hose with a on off switch for suction motor and power head (similar to central vac on off 3 position on hose handle ) With some metal tools and wands and still able pick up water and dry wall hepa filters to . Maybe stick a cyclo vac central vacuum motor in the 16 gallon wet dry vac ? Add cord rewind quick connect hose and tools but the bigger 2 1/2 inch version why not ??? | ||
| Post# 458361 , Reply# 24 12/2/2022 at 01:03 (508 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Recently acquired a proteam backpack sierra version.
It has a 50 foot power cord. It has a loing hose any extension wands and attachments. The best feature is the wessell werk ebk 360 power nozzle. I can vacuum all 2000 soft on each level from one outlet. If it could do wet pickup and battery powered would be the ultimate. I'm just satisfied with the options I have. | ||
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Post# 458363 , Reply# 25 12/2/2022 at 04:05 (508 days old) by Thevacomaticiec (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada ) |
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| Post# 458385 , Reply# 26 12/3/2022 at 00:24 (507 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Post# 458390 , Reply# 27 12/3/2022 at 03:38 (507 days old) by Thevacomaticiec (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada ) |
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| Post# 458391 , Reply# 28 12/3/2022 at 09:32 (507 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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Hmm? | ||
| Post# 458405 , Reply# 29 12/3/2022 at 19:25 (506 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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A modernized MVP ultra
I know i've talked about this before but if i were to design a vacuum I would base it off the Dirt Devil Ultra MVP, some of you may wonder why. This vacuum has the most airflow at the nozzle of any bypass upright i've tested. Running around ~130 CFM but they suffer from a weak brushroll motor/belt issues. This design has so much potential the performance of a direct air machine with the convenience of a bypass.
I'd want to use a suction motor with great performance but more efficient than the stock one to allow for a stronger brushroll motor. I think the Ametek 122454 motor used in the Patriot would be a great fit it maxes out at 9.6 amps but provides great flow and suction. I'd also want to address the brushroll stalling issue by installing vent holes and a slider similar to what ZeroG or the Rainbow SRX does to allow it to clean soft carpet while also switching it over to a geared belt system and moving the belt path to one end of the nozzle. New switches and locations would also make it much more user friendly the brushroll control is something I find annoying on the standard MVP A diverter valve would be added to the back of the machine to allow for more hose power. A machine like this should have strong bags so only hepa bags would be made for it to reduce the chance of bursting. The tools would be of better quality like horsehair bristles etc Weight would need to be reduced where it could while also keeping it sturdy
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| Post# 458407 , Reply# 30 12/3/2022 at 21:19 (506 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 458408 , Reply# 31 12/3/2022 at 21:21 (506 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 458410 , Reply# 32 12/4/2022 at 05:50 (506 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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Hmm
That's....definitely not a wessel werk ebk360.
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| Post# 458413 , Reply# 33 12/4/2022 at 15:22 (505 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Its
Great vacs power nozzle upgrade.
Here's a pic. It's got on off on the left side six height adjustment on the right side a light and a reset button. It's height adjustment wheel on the bottom is similar to wessell werk. | ||
| Post# 458414 , Reply# 34 12/4/2022 at 15:27 (505 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 458415 , Reply# 35 12/4/2022 at 15:37 (505 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 458420 , Reply# 36 12/4/2022 at 17:19 (505 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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