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New multi-cyclonic upright from Electrolux
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Post# 201206   9/19/2012 at 14:11 (2,850 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Interesting to see that Electrolux are now offering a multi cyclone, no loss of suction cleaner. So that's Dyson, Vax, Hoover and Electrolux now offering REAL cyclonic cleaners. Just need to hurry up and phase out the crappy direct filter cyclone cleaners now


Post# 201208 , Reply# 1   9/19/2012 at 14:13 (2,850 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Info on the Electrolux site


Post# 201209 , Reply# 2   9/19/2012 at 14:16 (2,850 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Check by this thread and my reply 21 with a similar model to the Air Excel Stair. I've seen them in person though and they're pretty bulky.

The only problem with these vacs appearing from Hoover, Vax, Electrolux et al claiming to have "no loss of suction" means they still have that secondary filter at the top before the main shroud and then another motor filter at the bottom underneath the bin/above the motor. I thought Dyson only had one main filter in their vacuums, thus no need to even go near the shrouds/cyclone tubes.

Granted it may move the game on in prolonging suction power, but I don't think they're exactly the same with Dyson's root cyclone - or am I right in thinking this?

Post# 201214 , Reply# 3   9/19/2012 at 15:26 (2,850 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
but I don't think they're exactly the same with Dyso

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The Vax Mach uprights all used a cyclone similar to the old Dyson Dual Cyclone. The current offerings from Hoover, Vax and Morphy Richards are proper "no loss of suction" cyclones, meaning filter maintenance is minimal. Granted, they're not as efficient as the Dyson Root Cyclone, but a vast improvement on the old direct filter design

Post# 201220 , Reply# 4   9/19/2012 at 16:40 (2,850 days old) by Ipreferkirby ()        

Over in the USA that vac is called the Eureka Air Excel NLS, which they are currently crowing about.

Post# 201221 , Reply# 5   9/19/2012 at 16:42 (2,850 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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They are a vast improvement But I had a chance to try some of these new ones out a while ago, they can still be beaten by the dual cyclone tech of a dc04 dyson, they work but still not as well as the original dyson one and are blown out of the water by the roots cyclones and newer ones.

I managed to get the filter sufficiently dirty within a week to reduce suction dramatically. I personally don't think dyson has anything to worry about.

I still get customers bringing in dysons that are 6 to 8 years old that didn't klnow there was a filter in the machine. I do not see these new Electrolux's and Vax's been able to do the same thing

Post# 201230 , Reply# 6   9/19/2012 at 17:44 (2,850 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Its about time too - all those single cyclone models with the large central pleated filter were a dead loss, constant blocking and needing cleaning every 5 minutes. No wonder so many of them end up burnt out within a year through overheating.
I have the Vax Mach Air multi cyclonic, and although its only a small cleaner, the top filter doesnt need that much cleaning and it maintains a good level of suction.
The Hoover turbopower 4 uses the same design as the vax, and again, its a good cleaner.
Doesnt change the fact that I like my Sebo X4 and my Henry better, and the Dyson DC07 still has a much higher suction level at 280AW.
Modern bagged technology is so much better now than in the 90's, and I havent noticed hardly any drop in suction on my Sebo or Henry as the bags fill up.

Most Dysons though do have 2 filters - 1 pre motor sponge filter and 1 post motor filter - usually a hepa pleated in the more modern cleaners but can also be a simple pad in the older non hepa models.
The more modern Dysons like the DC39 need more regular pre motor filter cleaning which surprises me, as the older DC07 only stated cleaning every 6 months.

Post# 201321 , Reply# 7   9/20/2012 at 19:25 (2,849 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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TBH I didn't like the paper pleated central cones either - but to Vax's credit (or more like Dirt Devil U.S with their cheapy mini-Dynamite upright vac) my Vax uprights that used the cone filters were cleaned out every couple of months - and my little black Vax is still going with periodic washing of the filter yearly. Again, it really falls down to the maintenance of the vacuum in my experience, rather than lauding every vacuum that has the central filters as rubbish. Not all brands offer the same design, with some brands having an overly complex dust cyclone system that infers three to four parts have to be undone to get to the filters compared to Vax/Dirt Devil systems where the top filter is solely the paper pleated cone and a simple foam sponge on top of the motor under the dust bin.

Post# 201367 , Reply# 8   9/21/2012 at 01:12 (2,849 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Sebo fan you are right


Maintenance I had a customer bring in her Electrolux 4750 petlover yesterday. Its now 6 years old never given a day's trouble. She cleaned it out after each use and changed the filter every 6 months. It came in for a new belt and a repair to the cord. I was shocked These machines came normally ended up in our workshop just a few months after new with a blown motor due to clogged filters 

Post# 201992 , Reply# 9   9/27/2012 at 13:13 (2,842 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Air Excel is on special offer now direct from ELectrolux - priced at 120, worth the price if these are your thing:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK

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