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Post# 201164   9/19/2012 at 00:15 (2,757 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I got an older Patriot but its only the machine, It has a sticker on it that says special edition est 1989. What era would this model be from? Also does anyone know which power head this one would have?
This bad boy pulls 90 on the suction tester, wow thats pretty good.





Post# 201165 , Reply# 1   9/19/2012 at 00:15 (2,757 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Love this thing

Post# 201166 , Reply# 2   9/19/2012 at 00:16 (2,757 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Post# 201196 , Reply# 3   9/19/2012 at 11:46 (2,756 days old) by Sanifan ()        

Wow, great find. I always love the blocky, squat look of the Patriot. It reminds me of a strange little motor home from the 50's. So cool!

I'm assuming that the motor is pretty much the same as the Tristar CXL. Do you know if it uses the Amatek Lamb? I do love my CXL. Great performance.

One thing about the CXL is that it is so ubiquitous. No problems getting bags and other sundry parts at all.

The Patriot is a little harder to find. Does it take the Tristar bags? I recall that you had to get the squarish bags made specifically for the Patriot. Are those hard to find and, consequently, more expensive?

Congrats and getting a cool vac.


Post# 201200 , Reply# 4   9/19/2012 at 13:07 (2,756 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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Khoi: I have seen some Ebay sellers who include TriStar bags with the Patriot & Airstorm vacuums, so perhaps earlier models took the TriStar bag & then they changed the lid design & bag design slightly?? You could always try a TriStar bag & adding a squarish piece of thin cardboard cut to fit, say from a cereal box, if needed.

Philip: Your Patriot would be from the year the company was founded....you have a first-year model. From some online research I had done when I first heard of Schoettler Research & Engineering Corp. (SREC), apparently Harold Schoettler was a former TriStar executive who had designed both the Airstorm & Patriot as next-generation TriStar models. TriStar planned to steal the design from him & terminate his employment....when he found out, he resigned from the company, took his designs with him, & founded SREC.

And yes, the Patriot & Airstorm vacuums do use Ametek double-stage motors. From what I have heard from my local vac shop, who has serviced quite a few of these, the motor is the same design as a Filter Queen motor, has the same amount of field wire, but made to run at a faster RPM to produce higher waterlift & airflow (CFM) ratings, & apparently also has the same lifespan as a Filter Queen motor, whereas a Ametek TriStar motor apparently lasts a bit longer as they use more field wiring. Now, Philip, what I would be interested to find out, is when exactly did they change motors to this newer motor?? If yours is pulling 90" waterlift, chances are good they sourced the TriStar motor from Ametek, but at some point changed to this higher-performance motor.

One thing I like about the Airstorm & Patriot is that they have the optional Medik-Aire HEPA filter that goes into the exhaust port in the back. That filter is HUGE....it literally looks like a big balloon! And like Miele, it is a Sealed HEPA vacuum too. SREC claims the filter will last 3 years, but I think that if the pre-filters were maintained, a household could get a minimum of 5 or 6 years out of it.
The only downside, though, is the filter is very pricey....they want $200 for it brand new. I also like the fact that they use the Plastiflex hose with the gas-pump handle, vs the pistol-grip handle that TriStar uses, it's nice to have the powerhead on/off switch at your fingertips. And then of course there's that awesome Sebo ET-C powerhead....gotta love that!!

Rob


Post# 201259 , Reply# 5   9/19/2012 at 23:33 (2,756 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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What power head would have come with this one new?

Post# 201261 , Reply# 6   9/19/2012 at 23:39 (2,756 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Also thanks Rob for clearing up that this is a first year model. I just bought another one of these ( thanks Jason for picking it up for me) complete!!! It's much newer yet still not a hybrid. It has a gas pump handel hose and the sebo power head. Jason post some pics of it please. I can't wait to take it apart and find a date on it to see how new she is. I will be picking it up in a few weeks.
Now I need to find a Miracle Mate.


Post# 262166 , Reply# 7   1/6/2014 at 17:07 (2,282 days old) by tophatjohnny ()        
Bags for Tristar are not a great fit for the Patriot.

Since both Patriot and Airstorm are made by the same co. the bags are the same for both of them. They call them "Stormy" bags and have a squared off side that fits like a glove in both machines. If you use the Tristar bags in a Patriot, you will get dust, dander and dirt all around the edges. If you want to have the best results, use the intended bags and change promptly when full, air blow the unit clean, wash the cloth bag, next day, you are good to go. Patriot vacs are simply the best I have ever used.

Post# 262181 , Reply# 8   1/6/2014 at 19:24 (2,282 days old) by jade_angel (Newport News, VA)        

I'm not sure which power nozzle that would have shipped with. I know the newer ones include either the Sebo ET-1 or Wessel Werk EBK360; either would be a great choice. So would the Tristar CXL nozzle.




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