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Post# 199697   9/6/2012 at 17:39 (2,760 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Saw this lying around at work the other day, and lo and behold...

Post# 199698 , Reply# 1   9/6/2012 at 17:41 (2,760 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Which do seem quite biased towards Miele... No mention of Sebo, who I think are on par/equal with Miele.

Post# 199700 , Reply# 2   9/6/2012 at 17:42 (2,760 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I actually read this in the magazine. Which? seem to be going off Dyson again.

Post# 199701 , Reply# 3   9/6/2012 at 17:43 (2,760 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Looked at the AEG when I went through a wanting a new vac phase. Settled for a free Miele S5210 after rebuilding it and re-soldering a blown thermal sensor

Post# 199702 , Reply# 4   9/6/2012 at 17:47 (2,760 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

And sadly no surprise about Hoover! I wonder who will be their flavour of the month next month?

I suppose if manufacturers donate the cleaners for testing, that would explain. If Miele chucked more vacs at which than the others, I suppose they will give them more page space. Not saying it's not deserved however!

Post# 199704 , Reply# 5   9/6/2012 at 18:04 (2,760 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
I don't understand "Which?" magazine!

If I was "Which?", I would be pitting the latest tested models against the 'Best Buys' of the previous year - which are still on the market!!!

So they should have test results for the Panasonic MC-UL500's, to compare against this years models. Same goes for the Dysons, Mieles, Boschs, etc. What the bloody hell are they thinking these days?

Instead we get some half-baked idiot spouting foolish nonsense, and recalibrated, weighted test results, which can't be compared to previous years results.

I am so glad that I don't subscribe to the rag. It really has been dumbed down.

Post# 199707 , Reply# 6   9/6/2012 at 18:14 (2,760 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I disagree with that last sentence. I thought it was as bad a ever. I say this light heartedly as I do agree with your post Rolls Rapide. One would be forgiven for wondering if crevice tools have been greased with silver.

Post# 199708 , Reply# 7   9/6/2012 at 18:14 (2,760 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Not really a very wide range of manufacturers there is there, mostly German makes I see, but they are telling me what I already know. I have a Miele S6220 Cat and Dog and a Siemens Z6 which became the Bosch BSGL50 - its essentially the same cleaner. The DC33 is essentially a DC07 thats had a makeover, and I always like the DC07 for raw suction and pick up power , although I agree that Dyson are very noisy. I was only talking about the Vax Power series the other day - they are not good at all - far better to buy the Vax Mach Air model.
I see the Sebo X4 doesnt get a mention - they are now under 250 in many places. Nor does the Sebo K series.
And what about the Numatic Henry? loved and well regarded by millions the world over. I dont bother paying them to access their data, and wont bother in the future either.

Post# 199709 , Reply# 8   9/6/2012 at 18:20 (2,760 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Numatic cleaners are too plain and boring for Which? to want to give them the time of day. It is a shame, because one would think they could at least rate them highly for reliability if nothing else.

Henry and others are coming into their own with people who have spent endless amounts of money on vacuum cleaners which have let them down in one way or another. 100 is chicken-feed to these people and the fresh-faced no-frills look of the Henry shines through. He makes few promises, expectation is low, and therefore having used him, people are more impressed than they ever thought. However, this type of very basic decision making would simply not 'do' for Which?

Post# 199712 , Reply# 9   9/6/2012 at 18:27 (2,760 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I once watched a Vid some one sent me when on eof these so called experts from a publisher tested some vacs against each other. How they did the test made me laugh out loud. 

Pet hair was my favortie , the had gone to a doggy parlour  and got a few bags of pet hair. They simply took clumps of the hair and spread it on the carpet. uprights included a dc25, sebo felix, Eureka airspeed. Cylinders were Miele NO PN and a few other non pn models. These bright sparks deduced that from there tests the miele and one of the other non pn canisters picked up pet hair more effectivly because the uprights pushed the large clumps of pet hair around. 


TWO things, I have 11 yes ELEVEN cats and I own all three of those uprights and all are exelant at picking up pet hair 


When last did your dog or cat shed large fist full's of hair on your carpet. Really can they honestly be that dumb 

Post# 199714 , Reply# 10   9/6/2012 at 18:39 (2,760 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Sorry, but no canister cleaner without some form of power nozzle or turbo brush is going to be effective on pet hair on carpets. End of story. I tried my canisters out using the standard heads and they left behind loads of my cats white hairs embedded in the carpet pile. Not even the Miele on highest power could remove them. Most canisters in the UK dont come with any form of power nozzle, and those that do, inevitabley cost more to buy. To say that a Miele with a standard head on carpet picked up more hairs than an upright is utter tosh.

Post# 199722 , Reply# 11   9/6/2012 at 19:01 (2,760 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"Fancy Floor Heads & Novel Nozzles"

Dear God!

Who wrote that rubbish? Clearly they have used copy from the manufacturers: "brush bar" (Dyson), "electro brush" (Miele).

I also take issue with "Furniture brush", which should of course be "dusting brush". I had to laugh at "soft" bristles "without scratching". Oh dear. Obviously they have never seen proper Electrolux dusting brushes.

What is it they say these days? "Epic Fail!"

Post# 199723 , Reply# 12   9/6/2012 at 19:04 (2,760 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Either that or 'Like'. I do believe that to be a word of popular choice.

Post# 199763 , Reply# 13   9/7/2012 at 03:01 (2,759 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Thats my point these experts no nothing.Whats more have you ever noticed how Miele is always the best rated vacuum when it comes to these magazine reviews, They will always have 10 machins from Miele and one from every one else. I wonder though when you page through the magazine"s and then notce tha miele has at least 4 or 5 ads in the magazine. MMMMMM looking after yyour paying customers maybee. 


I took on a magazine here in SA after there tests stated that the miele was the best out of a host of vacuums. haveing just completed some actualy lab tests on it and other models I knew that out of the 10 models tested the miele ranked 7th so I took them on and invited them to see how proper testing is done. after some backwards and forwards they printed a revised version afte I threatened to go viral on them. 


What I also find amusing is coparing the models to each other , Like they will compare the miele Cat& dog to the dyson dc39 allergy and then say Oh the miele picks up pet hair better, why not compare it to the dc39 animal. 


Or compare the Miele cat& dog to the AEG /Electrolux Ultra one with the turbonozzle, I have a Utra one and it blows the Miele away, Its much better made aswell 

Post# 199800 , Reply# 14   9/7/2012 at 10:50 (2,759 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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gsheen - you are spot on there and I was just about to say what you've said. As a paying member of Which since 2007 or 2009, I ended my subscription for their love of Miele and nothing else - example looking at the postings Beko has supplied here ;


The Miele S6 Ecoline and the Miele S6290 Silence are exactly the same save for the body colour. How can the S6290 be rated 5 stars for noise and 4 stars for the Ecoline when they both have the same 1200 watt motor? I looked at both (and trialled) at John Lewis when I bought my Ecoline and the Silence model is exactly the same on noise. Also, how can the S6 Cat and Dog have poorer performance using the standard turbo brush on carpets against the suction only floor tools that get 5 stars on carpet performance on other Miele models? Something doesn't add up!


Steve - the reason, or rather Which's poor reason for not testing the K series is because they feel there isn't much of a demand for the K series, hence why they don't test it any more. As for the X series, they used to have test results for the X1 Automatic way back in the 1990s and forever lauded it as being one of the best vacs on the market - Which haven't done much with the current X series since then, although last I looked on Which's other forum, there were quite a few owners who rightly wrote review comments on the info Which had supplied, as well as quite a few owners who were shocked to see the Numatic Henry as a "Don't Buy" in one of the past issues. Which do get it wrong sometimes, but to the consumer who doesn't know much about vacuums, it's a kick in the teeth for owners sometimes. 

Post# 199835 , Reply# 15   9/7/2012 at 14:36 (2,759 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Sebo-fan, I would have thought that the 'kick in the teeth' would not be for the owner of a decent product which Which? berated, I would have suggested it would be unfortunate for the person who overlooked such a product solely on the advice of Which?

I also think that Which? have shot themselves in the foot. Many times do they say things about subjects and products I have knowledge and experience of, and I know what is said is wrong. This then concerns me that when I read about subjects and products which I know nothing about, Which? may well be in the wrong yet again. I suppose you could say it erodes my trust in them.

I doubt anyone could know about everything they cover over, but I would strongly suggest there is a certain something for everyone as time progresses. Because of this I don't think we are the only people who have spotted potential gaps and flaws in their findings and I wouldn't like to assume that I am the only person who distrusts other reports they compile.

Post# 199841 , Reply# 16   9/7/2012 at 14:45 (2,759 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I just dont bother with Which as every time I get one of their reviews come up on a search it wont give most of the ratings without getting some kind of payment out of me. Seems WHich is run more for the money/profit now than the benefit of the consumer. Sign of the times.
I'll do my own testing of brands as I have a more open mind than they do about brands, and I think, as mentioned above, which are more interested in how much of a backhander they get from Miele than being an unbiassed website.

Post# 199855 , Reply# 17   9/7/2012 at 15:37 (2,759 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Isn't Vax HOOVER/Candy?

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They sure got 'bashed".

Post# 199857 , Reply# 18   9/7/2012 at 15:41 (2,759 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Sorry I have just noticed something, The Electrolux Ultra one is 12.00 more expensive than the sebo felix, In SA you can buy two Ultra one for the price of one Felix lol

Post# 199858 , Reply# 19   9/7/2012 at 15:44 (2,759 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Vax is Vax. No doubt Hoover and Vax have had similar cleaners on sale as there is a lot of 'branding' which goes on, but they are different companies.

Post# 199859 , Reply# 20   9/7/2012 at 15:53 (2,759 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Vax Mach Air2 and the Hoover WindTunnel Air are the exact same cleaner, I only saw this the other day when I was watching youtube videos of the WIndtunnel Air. Many Werthiem cleaners are exactly the same as other manufacturers models - there is a lot of copying of models now across brands. Cant manufacturers come up with their own designs any more. At least Dyson dont copy anyone else, its usually the other way round.

Post# 199867 , Reply# 21   9/7/2012 at 16:13 (2,759 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It is cheaper to buy one off someone else. So lets say Vax made that cleaner (I don't know if they did or not); they don't know how many they will sell or at what price, but then along comes Hoover and asks them to run-up a few thousand in a different colour, with the Hoover name. It's a done-deal for Vax, at any price. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Post# 199871 , Reply# 22   9/7/2012 at 16:22 (2,759 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Sorry, that should have been Vax Mach Air 3, the new version just released which is the same as the Windtunnel Air

Vax Mach Air 3:

Post# 199872 , Reply# 23   9/7/2012 at 16:23 (2,759 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Hoover Windtunnel Air:

Post# 199893 , Reply# 24   9/7/2012 at 19:05 (2,759 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Steve - the new Air 3 swivels though whereas the Windtunnel Air does not. More to the point, the original Vax Mach Air is similar. I thought they had identical suction channels but the Windtunnel Air does not. There's a previous thread regarding this on here.

Vax UK are owned by TTI - so it makes automatic sense that most Hoover products in the U.S are also available as a Vax in the UK. It was like that for years anyway - Vax Swift uprights and most of their entire uprights and cylinders were all from Dirt Devil U.S with the exception of Vax's own canister vacuum and the Bosch merged VX upright.

Where it gets confusing is when Hoover UK can't be bothered to make a vacuum cleaner of their own and pay money to brands like Dirt Devil U.S for vacuums like their Quick Vibe, redress it and then put a more expensive price on it. I was shocked when I discovered that the Dirt Devil Extreme (the same as the Hoover Alyx upright that has now been discontinued/no longer listed on Hoover UK site) is half the cost price than the version we get in the UK! Hoover's Turbo Power bagless upright isn't their own either - as one other member pointed out in a previous thread on here.

The bagged Wertheim featured on QVC is actually a Dirt Devil U.S vacuum cleaner. It also appeared here shortly in the UK as a catalogue brand/Kays brand "Swan," but without the power nozzle.

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