Just because the Turbo Power isn't being shown as the first model in the home page, doesn't mean the model is being discontinued. Websites do this often when trying to promote a product, simple as. Miele did this recently with their homepage to their cylinder vacuums, showing off the "monster suction" from an S8, weeks before the S8 actually arrived in the shops.

I doubt the Turbo Power will completely disappear. The Slalom for example is no longer being listed on site but there's Tesco selling the black model SL8127 at £79.97

Also the Globe is very different - it swivels for a start and has lower wattage plus a 1.7 litre dust bin. 

The Turbo Power has higher wattage and a 3 litre dust bin. 

One only has to realise the differences by actually reading the info on both to know the differences - and I highly doubt Hoover would replace the standard push/pull upright with a swivel upright that has a much smaller dust bin capacity and eliminate buyers who won't necessarily want a swivel upright. 

Cue the Turbo Power bagless PETS version at £99-00, same at Argos, reduced from £114 and comes with 8.5 metres of cord compared to the Globe's 6 metres. For an upright that has a bigger dust capacity and despite no swivel, I know what I would be buying if I HAD to - but TBH the best current bagless upright I've owned so far has to be the Vax Mach Air Reach - tons of cord, compact design and lordy, its just so simple to operate and move around with - I see Vax have brought out a new Air3, i.e the same again but with a swivel built in.

Clearly there's a market opening up for swivelling bagless uprights again, outside the Dyson styles with the Electrolux Nimble probably being one of the first of the established brands to bring a model out.

Well Jamie you didn't make it clear in your initial post. As per usual you ignore the total fact that just because the website shows the Globe as the being the vacuum "first in line", you automatically assume the Turbo Power "will last another 6 months before its discontinued."And if you look at the website, it's not as if the Globe is close up - its too far away for people to actually look at it and coo over it.  Let's see in another 6 months if you are indeed right regarding the Turbo Power; it too had a couple of videos to promote it when I looked at Hoover UK a couple of months ago.

Steve - I posted similar thoughts regarding reviews of vacuums but in a different light in another thread - Hoover UK have shot themselves in the foot using Reevoo as some of the reviews on the products Hoover are promoting are very negative. Of course you could argue that Hoover are giving buyers the benefit of the doubt - but really, even if reviews are being read by buyers to base their decision on a purchase, most buyers would probably like to see and use the vacuum first before making an actual purchase. In many ways aside from John Lewis who allow you to test their appliances first, some Comet, Currys & Euronics stores let you also try vacuums first before buying.

Vax Voice - an online subsidiary of Vax that works like the Amazon Vine principle (you get a free product and you write a review about it) also sends buyers/owners new Vax appliances free only for the "free price" of a good review. Its a bit cheeky really, as half the time it confuses buyers and half the time the reviews on the Vax site really can't be trusted in light of the Vax Voice offer. After all, if you have received a free machine and you're on a low income with an existing vacuum that has seen better days, you'd delight in the fact that a brand has sent out a free machine for you to keep.

Not many will know about Vax Voice unless you're already an existing Vax owner and you've bought products from Vax UK online, only to get the invite to join the panel months later. I was a member but I never won the chance to test a new product and eventually cancelled the free subscription to Vax. So, what help on a fairness level is that going to be any reader/buyer who is interested in the product??

Steve - the Vax Mach Air, Total and Pets model all have short cords - I had the orange model initially and couldn't deal with the 1.1 metre hose on board never mind the short cord. The Mach Air Total was initially a QVC special before Vax put it on their books for other franchises. I recall it came with a flexible bendy long crevice tool, extension hose and an upholstery tool, but there was never any where on that model to put them all.

Eventually I bought the Reach model which has 10 metres of cord and the all important clip on extension hose. If you like the Total model already, the Reach is so much better for the longer cord, mini turbo tool and extension hose, putting it more in line with the Windtunnel Air in the U.S where specs are concerned. I think prices are falling for the Reach as well, down from £249 to £149; probably to make way for the new Swivel upright that will be coming out.

I'm not too sure about the actual model but I think Vax designed that model for themselves in the UK whilst Hoover had their own thoughts. Certainly the Vax came out in the UK before Hoover got the Windtunnel Air, but I've given up on actual product launch dates where Vax are concerned because they're owned by TTI and it can get confusing as well as frustrating - Vax in other countries have some really good bagged cylinder vacuums but they've yet to come to the UK.

Of course the internet has brought competition - its like a worldwide encyclopaedia of information - but the internet is not to blame for cheap products and if you look up Dyson on EBAY you'll find its the biggest brand in so far as refurbished models and spare parts. One could easily point and say that the brand are thus probably number 1 in so far as customer ownership and accessibility. However, I'd like to think it's because of the fact that early models had a lot more problems than the current lines Dyson now sell, hence the popularity of reselling older machines but with new motors/refurbs at cut down prices.

On the high street pound shops have literally robbed private DIY stores who used to sell Blackspur rollers and paint brushes for a marked up price -as well as so many other products. Blackspur are a pound shop product range by trade - (I used to work in a pound shop as a summer job many moons ago) and their products are dirt cheap. As a nation we are looking for bargains instead of paying out for quality - these are hard times and the UK is still getting back on its feet with the recession.

Anyone remember Hinari appliances? They existed well before the internet and so did supermarket/department brands. Thus, although there weren't many vacuums, it wasn't before long that budget brands brought out their floorcare appliances and the catalogues followed suit. I still have an Index catalogue somewhere that shows far more JMB vacuums than anything else - and that was before Index went online. 

In 1975, life was very different -and we had a far more stable economy - and though the UK had plenty of factory strikes and constant rioting, there was still an industry going on too. the coal mines shut down because there is little demand for it and it is costlier to produce than other energy forms. The UK doesn't have that now, not because of the internet or shopping around for the cheapest deal, but for the fact that production has moved to Asia because it is cheaper to produce and thus with cheap prices has pulled the buyer in. All the while, the catalogue brands keep growing and new brands are popping up.

Appliance brands no longer have much of an interest in building appliances that are made to last. It's all about trying to make money and in the fastest and biggest way possible. Electrolux are a great example - why bother buying one of their freezers when you can buy a John Lewis one that has a cheaper price, a few more features or a fancy finish, or a Zanussi, from the same home company with either an extended warranty and missing one of the features that the other two have. Buyers are no longer interested in who owns what - the prices define what the buyer will be attracted to, or the stylish look - and that is no fault of the buyer, but rather of the home company whose priorities that once lay in customer loyalty has had to be cut because of wasted money to back the process in the first place. Again its a money issue.

Ah,, there were two then  - the QVC channels sold a model called Vax Mach Air Total, not Vax Mach Air Total Home. There's the confusion - it had a dark burgundy red bin filter nicked from the pets model compared to the Total Home. I didn't have a problem with the 10 metre cord on the Reach though, and it is effectively the same machine body wise. 

Oh yeah, Vax definitely copied Dyson on a few levels with the Mach Air. There's an old thread on here somewhere regarding the Dyson and the Vax crevice tool design - aside from the brand embossed on the plastic, it was clear who Vax looked at for inspiration when they looked for a 3 in 1 tool. I dont know if its similar to the DC18, I'd say more to the DC24. See a thread about the Vax Mach Air (now archived) on here www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

Also the QVC Total special had a much darker burgundy red compared to the "commercial upright Dyson Red," (as I call it) that Vax used in the Total Home model.

It is indeed a super vacuum compared to what Vax used to sell, although it was very similar in feel to my very old and much missed basic upright only Vax Quicklite V-045 with its paper pleated cone (Dirt Devil U.S Dynamite.) And of course those horrid Swift uprights that actually have big thick plastic handles and hopeless front hoses that you have to manually attach at the front if you want to use the darn hose and tools - those machines were a pain to get under low furniture and the hose connection at the front often broke. 

I know the X series can be a faff without the brush roll stopping - but then I just used to remove the entire brush roll if I ever used the upright hose & tools in extended use compared to using a cylinder vacuum. I think Sebo's slightly-improved-2012 370 commercial upright now stops the brush roll when the upright locks up, so it's only a matter of time before Sebo apply the same to the X.

Yep, the X is dated, but it is a commercial based upright first and foremost, as is Sebo's main expertise and similar to Numatic's Henry and company, both don't see much of a point in updating everything in one go, but a little update here and there. Plus the company is privately owned, so major updates to models are very few and far between. I guess in Sebo's eyes, if it ain't wrong, don't fix it seems to work best for them. They may have an outdated design but I live for that brush bar release button and auto sensor head- so handy and crucial for cleaning pet hairs when they wind around the roller as well as finger tip gliding on the handle - I've yet to find another upright on the market that can be steered by a mere pinch of the fingers on the back of the handle. 

Actually Steve, buyers haven't worked out that single cyclone vacuums are rubbish - there's still a market for them and there's still a healthy amount of reviews for the cheap products. The only ones who have worked out that the vacuums are rubbish as the ones who have been let down - either by the performance of the vacuum - but also of consumer expectation - cue maintenance - not many buyers/owners check the filters regularly both in bagless or bagged vacuums, hence you'll see quite a few being chucked out all because a bag is clogged up, or the hose or the machine etc. Buyers just make the excuse that because vacuums are cheaper to buy, they'll just replace the old one with a new cheap vacuum rather than repairing the vacuum themselves or having the model repaired as the cost price of repair may be higher than buying a budget priced vacuum cheaper than the cost repair.

Yes, but your idea of something being fit for purpose may not be the same purpose that brands produce their vacuums to. Take my orange Vax Mach Air for example - an absolutely brilliant little vacuum but with a wasted effort with the standard 1.1 metre hose on board. Vax said it was 1.5 metres - not by MY tape measure though - and it pulls the vacuum over if you use the handle pipe and suction pipe added - despite the fact that the hose is located right at the bottom of the vacuum at the back.  The user manual does indicate that you have to hold the vacuum at the same time, but with that And the handle and the hose snapping back due to the force of suction, it isn't my idea of efficiency or fit for purpose. 

Same with the Sebo Felix - it has a short hose by its design but measures 3 metres when fully stretched out - also indicated in the user manual that the machine has to have a hand on the machine to steady it - but I find it is better to manage with than going through the palaver of having to remove the hose at the back of the Vax, then unlock the handle, then add it to the hose for more reach and then on top of that having to hold the vacuum at the same time to minimise it falling over. 

In the defence of the Felix though, a lot of new owners moan about the hose and the small bag but they are judging it on the expensive cost price, seeing past the fact that the Felix is a small to medium upright with the capability of going hand held, a design that I don't really like, but at least you can still do it. Sebo's Felix is really more or less, a direct rival to the Vorwerk. 

Well, *and Im pretty sure the member is on here - there is a seller on EBAY UK who was selling a Felix with the old, heavy auto adjusting sensor head, the ET-H that originally came with the K3 Premium canister. I've tried it on my own Felix since I have a K3 Premium - but it doesn't allow the Felix to stand up properly and it's a lot heavier despite the auto adjustment. It isn't a good match for the Felix since it also lacks a brush stop roll function. Due to its bag capacity and smaller size, the Felix is in no way a replacement for the X series; Sebo just want to retain the X as a classic upright vacuum and to reaffirm its simpler operation.

Since discovering Sebo some time ago I've often recommended the cheaper X1.1 - it is far better priced and there's not much of a difference between the X1.1 and X4 other than extra tools, which as you know you can readily buy and sometimes cheaply off the internet. Sebo UK also sell tools and stuff quite competitively. The white X1.1 also hides scratches much better than a dark plastic colour. Shame the "Euronics" red model has a higher price though.

Well, the way to look at it is, if you buy another Sebo in the future, at least you'll be able to use all the tools on the other models, as well as the brush roll from the X into the Felix. 

Don't quite know what the prices on EBay UK are, but if they are anything like Amazon UK at £45 to £50 that's too expensive. Get yourself to John Lewis - they're £29-95!!

Ryan, interesting about the Argos Value upright. Are these cleaners any good? They seem like a fairly decent, basic bagged upright. I really liked the bagged Proaction uprights, they were nice vacs and a great price