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Thread Number: 18186
Received the new Turbopower 1000 motor, but have a problem... |
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| Post# 199238 9/5/2012 at 07:20 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199239 , Reply# 1 9/5/2012 at 07:22 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199240 , Reply# 2 9/5/2012 at 07:23 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199241 , Reply# 3 9/5/2012 at 07:26 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199242 , Reply# 4 9/5/2012 at 07:27 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199243 , Reply# 5 9/5/2012 at 07:29 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199249 , Reply# 6 9/5/2012 at 09:08 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199367 , Reply# 7 9/5/2012 at 14:31 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199376 , Reply# 9 9/5/2012 at 15:11 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199383 , Reply# 11 9/5/2012 at 15:34 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I think I'll have to end up just keeping that motor as a spare for my 1999 Hoover Turbopower 2, which it SHOULD fit since they are both the same year.
I have to say I'm very disappointed though and will see if the seller can give me a refund as he said it would fit the TP1000 U2812. It isn't a foregone conclusion yet though as neither of us are experts on the subject. | ||
| Post# 199385 , Reply# 12 9/5/2012 at 15:37 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Just incase it helps... I scanned in the section on TP 2 & 3's from the 1995 service manual. Sorry they are not better quality. My phone takes better scans of books than my flatbed... 
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| Post# 199386 , Reply# 13 9/5/2012 at 15:38 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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got to write something in this box to post the pages... 
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| Post# 199387 , Reply# 14 9/5/2012 at 15:38 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Wiring diagrams 
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| Post# 199388 , Reply# 15 9/5/2012 at 15:41 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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and another 
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| Post# 199389 , Reply# 16 9/5/2012 at 15:42 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Almost there 
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| Post# 199391 , Reply# 17 9/5/2012 at 15:43 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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more part lists 
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| Post# 199393 , Reply# 18 9/5/2012 at 15:46 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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and that's it. I hope this helps in some way, I haven't got any later editions sadly. 
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| Post# 199395 , Reply# 19 9/5/2012 at 15:51 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199405 , Reply# 23 9/5/2012 at 16:02 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199406 , Reply# 24 9/5/2012 at 16:03 (4,250 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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well looks like someone else got there before me then - that wiring diagram was very useful. | ||
| Post# 199408 , Reply# 25 9/5/2012 at 16:05 (4,250 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I see 4 terminals. The carbon brushes are currently connected to two of them. To the either side of taht is where the mains lead connects. | ||
| Post# 199409 , Reply# 26 9/5/2012 at 16:06 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199410 , Reply# 27 9/5/2012 at 16:07 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199412 , Reply# 29 9/5/2012 at 16:09 (4,250 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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arent the terminals at the 4 oclock and 11 o clock positions in the top picture on the white part? | ||
| Post# 199413 , Reply# 30 9/5/2012 at 16:10 (4,250 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Jamie I don't know what the terminal can possibly be like if there is nothing sticking up. What are those silver terminals like then? | ||
| Post# 199414 , Reply# 31 9/5/2012 at 16:11 (4,250 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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The terminals dont necessarily have to be the compatible ones for your spade connectors - you may need to change the connectors or solder them on | ||
| Post# 199415 , Reply# 32 9/5/2012 at 16:12 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199416 , Reply# 33 9/5/2012 at 16:15 (4,250 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Yes that sounds about right. Split them and you should find one end fits the motor and the other fits the spade on your cable. | ||
| Post# 199417 , Reply# 34 9/5/2012 at 16:15 (4,250 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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those in pic 4? I think you may be right - are they made of metal, its a bit difficult to tell from the picture? if so, then maybe you have it. | ||
| Post# 199418 , Reply# 35 9/5/2012 at 16:17 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199419 , Reply# 36 9/5/2012 at 16:18 (4,250 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I wouldn't have said Murphys Law but it does seem to work as well. Don't get blowing yourself up. | ||
| Post# 199421 , Reply# 38 9/5/2012 at 16:32 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Not a problem and I'm glad it was of some use. Is this the motor that shed it's armature? Couldn't you swap them around, providing the measurements stack up? | ||
| Post# 199423 , Reply# 39 9/5/2012 at 16:36 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Well, I managed to cut the piece of metal at the top (with the hole in it) to the right size on one for the spade to slot into it but on the other I accidentally cut too much off so that's that buggered.
When I was cutting them apart though I noticed that above the fork that goes into the terminal on the motor there are... Guides ? Would that be the right word ? For the bare wire to "slot in" for soldering to the terminals. I do believe in later years you yourself Benny said that they soldered the cables on instead of using the spade adapters, so that "figures" with the motor being from '99. I guess I'll have to buy myself a soldering iron then and solder the wires on ? But before I do that, I want to know if it will work in the end, since I'm a tightwad Scot and don't want to (can't afford even) to throw money at things that won't prove fruitful. Then again, I could be completely wrong about them having to be soldered, check the picture for reference and see if you can spot what I'm seeing. | ||
| Post# 199424 , Reply# 40 9/5/2012 at 16:37 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199426 , Reply# 41 9/5/2012 at 16:42 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Don't know tbh, on the 1980's, early 90's it comes apart with 4 screws! From my early 90's U1222. Of course, being from 1999 I imagine it's been welded together as one lovely non-serviceable part! 
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| Post# 199427 , Reply# 42 9/5/2012 at 16:42 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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the armature itself 
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| Post# 199430 , Reply# 44 9/5/2012 at 16:44 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199431 , Reply# 45 9/5/2012 at 16:44 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Looking at your pictures, can you take the fan blade off? Will probably be an anti-clockwise thread, can't see the fan in your pics. The screws (if any) are likely to be hiding under there. | ||
| Post# 199432 , Reply# 46 9/5/2012 at 16:45 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199433 , Reply# 47 9/5/2012 at 16:46 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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saw the above post after I posted! Fair enough then. Contact the seller, after checking that the ad said it would fit? I bought a NOS activator recently advertised as brand new. Sent the seller some pics of the dirty bearings and slight wear marks and he refunded me in full. You may at least get a free motor to repair something else. | ||
| Post# 199434 , Reply# 48 9/5/2012 at 16:46 (4,250 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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I am speaking with reference to a Dyson YDK motor here though as I tried to get one apart and wrecked it trying to knock the bearing out of its housing, and it still wouldnt come apart. | ||
| Post# 199435 , Reply# 49 9/5/2012 at 16:47 (4,250 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Saying that, I've killed a TP bearing trying to get it out of the housing too to clean. Guess that's what part vacs are for! | ||
| Post# 199438 , Reply# 51 9/5/2012 at 16:53 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199439 , Reply# 52 9/5/2012 at 16:56 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Here is the email I've just fired off to him:
Dear Kevin, I received the motor today to find that it, contrary to what you told me, is not compatible with my Turbopower 1000. Firstly the terminals are not compatible with the spade connectors my TP1000 has and secondly there is not a terminal for the PCB my 1994 model has. You said it would be compatible from the Serial Number and Model Number I gave you and to find it isn't was a little surprising. I was just wondering how we could resolve this. Best Regards, Jamie. I'm hoping he'll give me a refund and not ask for me to send it back or something because with the weight of it I couldn't imagine it being cheap to post. | ||
| Post# 199450 , Reply# 54 9/5/2012 at 17:25 (4,250 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Contrary to what you believe, I do have patience Steve.
Heck, I did wait about 3 weeks for the motor and when I got it today didn't rush to try and fit it, but rather finished my cup of tea and enjoyed the rest of my already playing Roy Orbison cassette tape. Then I went to fit it and found I'd wasted £30! I do know that a lot of "youngsters" of my age (though I don't see myself as a youngster, probably because I'm old before my years both mentally and physically - my joints aren't what you'd associate with youth) are impatient and therefore I understand your insinuation. | ||
| Post# 199533 , Reply# 56 9/6/2012 at 04:47 (4,249 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I see, well it wasn't pure impatience that influenced my "bumping" the thread but more anger to be honest that a tightwad like myself had spent money on something that won't be of any use.
Well I suppose you could call it lonely, but that's how I like it. As for more YouTube videos, yes they will be coming but not daily or anything like that due to the fact they take around 4 hours to upload! Yes - TalkTalk is a brilliant provider. | ||
| Post# 199558 , Reply# 57 9/6/2012 at 09:48 (4,249 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Did you get a reply to your email from the seller? | ||
| Post# 199571 , Reply# 58 9/6/2012 at 11:12 (4,249 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199598 , Reply# 59 9/6/2012 at 12:29 (4,249 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Keep us informed of your progress with the Autosense anyway - I cant imagine you will consign it to the scrap heap without a good fight as saving its poor life! | ||
| Post# 199599 , Reply# 60 9/6/2012 at 12:36 (4,249 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199634 , Reply# 61 9/6/2012 at 14:05 (4,249 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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It'll still make a beautiful ornament! Keep your eyes peeled, a scrapper machine will cone along for peanuts, then you'll have a motor and loads of spares! CLICK HERE TO GO TO beko1987's LINK | ||
| Post# 199637 , Reply# 62 9/6/2012 at 14:11 (4,249 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Thats what I said - and btw, your link doesnt work... | ||
| Post# 199640 , Reply# 63 9/6/2012 at 14:15 (4,249 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 199687 , Reply# 64 9/6/2012 at 17:17 (4,249 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Whoops, so I did! Sorry, was typing it on my phone. | ||
| Post# 199688 , Reply# 65 9/6/2012 at 17:20 (4,249 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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