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bank vault vacuum cleaner the same as wertheim
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Post# 199061   9/4/2012 at 05:20 (2,763 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        

has anyone seen the american vacuum by the bank vault vacuum cleaner company the machine is the same as the TTI built wertheim 4412 they are saying the vacuum is oh so good and there hasnt been a complaint they should look at the wertheim history the only real difference is the powerhead is different to the uk and australian sold machines and they do have a lot of reliability issues i will post a video of both my wertheim machines soon


Post# 199064 , Reply# 1   9/4/2012 at 06:29 (2,763 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
more bank cleaners

after watching all the bank vault vacuum cleaners apart from the heavy duty and stick models these machines are available in the uk the upright and orinary bank cylinder machines are branded as budget machines here in the uk


Post# 199068 , Reply# 2   9/4/2012 at 07:32 (2,763 days old) by massagemiracle ()        

Looks like a Riccar to me.

Post# 199070 , Reply# 3   9/4/2012 at 07:39 (2,763 days old) by massagemiracle ()        

Maybe closer to Simplicity

Post# 199075 , Reply# 4   9/4/2012 at 08:51 (2,763 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        
That first video is a complete joke!

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"the best floor nozzle known to mankind"? "leading edge technology"?

The killer is the part where they try to show how bad a Dyson upright is on bare floors - notice that the thing isn't even plugged in! And the producer is too stupid to edit out the image of the electric cord still wrapped on the unit!

All they are missing is the infomercial audience of "ecstatic and astounded" paid actors...

Not saying that the vac is necessarily a bad machine, but the marketing guys for this product must really be out of their minds. And who wants a vac branded The Bank Vault?

Post# 199076 , Reply# 5   9/4/2012 at 08:55 (2,763 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
the simplicity

is the simplicty american built because its the same as TTI built machines there is also the werthiem 4430 tti built machine that i have thats the same as an american hoover cylinder but i forget which model lol

Post# 199082 , Reply# 6   9/4/2012 at 09:25 (2,763 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Wertheim is a strange company - it seems to use vacs and vac components from many other manufacturers. I remember seeing a Wertheim canister vacuum on an Australian website that actually used an American Eureka power nozzle. :-)

It indeed looks like everything but the power nozzle on the Bank Vault machine is identical to the American Simplicity. I think the Simplicity uprights are made in the USA, but the canisters are made in South Korea. I am sure one of our Vacuumland Tacony experts could clarify this..... :-)

Here is the company's website:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK

Post# 199085 , Reply# 7   9/4/2012 at 09:43 (2,763 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
@eureka prince

thanks for the link they are almost identical lol i have the wertheim 4412 and 4430 both have different powerheads both say on the sticker underneath made in china ill have to get them both out and do a video of them i figured out which machine the 4430 looks like its the same as the hoover windtunnel canister cant remeber the exact model off the top of my head (lol im on line so why dont i just google it )lol its the aniversary edition but once again different powerhead

Post# 199091 , Reply# 8   9/4/2012 at 09:58 (2,763 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Hi David,

The American Hoover WindTunnel Anniversary canister marries a German Dirt Devil canister unit with the innovative American Hoover power nozzle that has "windtunnel" segregated suction channels around the brush roll. Dirt Devil and Hoover (and Royal and Vax) are now all owned by TTI so the company mixes and matches names and products everywhere now! :-)

Hope this helps clarify the mysteries! :-)

Post# 199092 , Reply# 9   9/4/2012 at 10:01 (2,763 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

eurekaprince's profile picture I bet you Wertheim (sounds like a German or Swiss or Austrian company) signed a contract with the German division of TTI's Dirt Devil to slap the Wertheim name on a DD canister. The American Hoover division was probably not even involved, methinks..... :-)

Post# 199195 , Reply# 10   9/4/2012 at 19:05 (2,763 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
To Clarify..

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Wertheim is owned by AVCC which is Godfreys and Hoover in Australia. The name comes from sewing machines that were sold in the 50's and 60's in the Godfreys stores. The machines started off as Italian built, then moved to Electrolux in the early 90's (Sweden) and production then moved to Hungary. In the early 2000's they took Wertheim from one or two ultra premium units manufactured in europe (with Canadian whirlwind heads) to bring in TTI shampooers, and a cheaper range of vacuums with power brushes. In australia power brushes aren't all that common. The Wertheim range currently only includes the 4430 and the 6035 (elux) but have Chinese made accessories. (hoses are made by Plastiflex in Australia though).

Hope this helps.

Post# 199200 , Reply# 11   9/4/2012 at 20:35 (2,763 days old) by hype822 ()        

"The killer is the part where they try to show how bad a Dyson upright is on bare floors - notice that the thing isn't even plugged in!" My take on that is he was not showing cleaning performance of the dyson, but rather how you can hear the dyson scraping the barefloor, but the powernozzle on his canister does not scrape along barefloors.

Post# 199208 , Reply# 12   9/4/2012 at 21:47 (2,763 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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That Eureka powernozzle you refer to on the Wertheim canister is actually a Chinese-made copy called the Dust Care PB11. It has a long history so was first used by Euro-Pro on some of the Fantom & Euro-Pro branded canisters, & it is still being used to this day on the Dirt Devil Jaguar, Jaguar II, & Royal Lexon S17 canisters, Fuller Brush-branded canisters (although early on they asked that the hood be redesigned so that it was "unique", as they knew it was a widely-used powerhead), & Metropolitan Vacuum Company includes it with their powerhead canister models. Nutone also used the version that the Wertheim & Dirt Devil use for a short period of time, but they have since changed to their own exclusive power nozzle. It is also used by some central vac makers as a budget powernozzle, & offered online by many retailers as a replacement generic powernozzle. The PB11 is really bad quality, it is not good at all! What tends to happen with them is the screw mounts the screws screw into on the hood will crack & break very easily. The other problem they have is that they use an Ametek 3-wire motor, instead of the Ametek 2-wire motor Eureka used before they changed to the Electrolux AB-made motor. They use a 3-wire motor as they use a krypton bulb, same as Kirby uses, & the motor acts as a power transformer, so the voltage is lowered & the bulbs won't burn out prematurely. But the drawback is that the motor has a very short life expectancy- you're lucky to get 3 or 4 years out of it. For these reasons, I would rather replace the PB11 with a Eureka powernozzle instead of repair, just better to replace it with something better-made without lots of problems.

As far as where The Bank vacuums are being made? I suspect that The Bank & Wertheim are outsourcing the vacuums to Kingclean in China. I also think that TTI is sourcing the Dirt Devil canisters & Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary canisters from them, as well as Tacony for the Riccar & Simplicity canisters, & I know for a fact that Euro-Pro is sourcing the Shark Professional canister sold in Canadian Tire from Kingclean. If you look at the hose handle on the first silver The Bank vacuum they started out a while ago with, the hose handle on it, the Riccar 1500M (which uses the same compact PN as The Bank vacuums do), Riccar 1500P, & Shark Professional canister vacuum, they all use the exact same hose handle....only difference on the Shark is that it is 1 3/8" European diameter, as that's what they have specified, & the hose material isn't crushproof but rather has a wire running thru it (like the Hoover Anniversary & Miele hoses do). I know that Daewoo was originally responsible for manufacturing the 1500M & 1500P in Korea, & I'm almost certain I had seen a Made in China label on it recently, but they could still be made in Korea though. The Bank Vault, as well as the red Simplicity Verve it's identical to, are 100% FOR SURE Made in China though, as well as the Riccar Pizzazz & Pristine models. I had seen it's makers label earlier this year. Also, another clue is if you look at the nozzle neck on the power nozzles, & the wands....notice how they are all nearly identical? And of course, the tools onboard the Riccar, Simplicity, Hoover, Wertheim, & The Bank vacuums....only difference being on the Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary, the brush on the upholstery tool is nylon fibers, not horsehair, & they don't include the multi-tool & wand holder. Also, the Hoover wand is slightly different, as it has a buttonlocker instead of a clip, & the floor tool has a groove in the neck to accomodate the buttonlocker, instead of a clip like the others.

A couple of things I noticed that were rather ironic about The Bank Vault video, in addition to Brian's point about foolishly showing the Dyson not cleaning barefloors well, yet not being plugged in: 1. They point out at first that bare floorbrushes don't work well & shove dirt around, & that the powernozzle included excels at this. Well, if that's the case, then WHY do they totally blackball themselves & ruin their credibility by later showing the EXACT SAME floorbrush is included that they used earlier to bash floorbrushes?! That's pure marketing genius on their part....NOT!! 2. They make the claim that the vacuum will last 20 years, same as Miele, & they offer a 5 year warranty. Hmm, well lets see how quickly consumers believe that claim when they find out it's Made In China! The reason they're making the claim it will last 20 years is they know they are trying to compete with Miele, & that Miele is making the claim their vacuums last 20 years. They also show how the seals in the bag compartment & on the HEPA filter make it a Sealed System, without also pointing out that the motor compartment has to be sealed to the filter housing - which it is- to make it a Sealed System & ensure ALL THE AIR goes thru the HEPA filter. Another thing I have noticed with respect to the HEPA Cloth bags....the bag in the video is the bag that Riccar & Simplicity include with their vacuums in the box when a consumer purchases their vacuum. Although it is a good quality bag, the Riccar/Simplicity bag, of all these Chinese Miele copycats, is superior quality....even to Miele! The Riccar/Simplicity bag has been described by Tom Gasko as being so thick, they call it the "Baby Diaper" bag, because the HEPA Cloth material is so thick. Any consumer who notices that it's the same as the Simplicity Verve & Riccar Pristine should also purchase the Riccar/Simplicity bags to use in the vacuum. And about the powerbrush....WHY include that wimpy powerbrush when the Riccar/Simplicity powerbrush, with the metal brushroll, is a generic Central Vac powerhead, & they could offer it & fit & work fine with the vacuum & wand? If they are gonna compete successfully offering a Chinese-made Miele alternative, this would have been better. In fact, a Simplicity Verve or Riccar Pristine is a better buy than The Bank Vault, because of the better powerhead.

It's also notable that Riccar/Simplicity have also discontinued using the compact powerbrush offered with The Bank vacuums, & now offer a Chinese-made copycat of this Wessell Werk powerbrush that also has a headlight, & looks "unique" & can't be found anywhere else. Since it has the headlight, I would prefer this over The Bank compact powerbrush.



Post# 199231 , Reply# 13   9/5/2012 at 04:54 (2,762 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

And in the scene where they show the bare floor tool snowplowing the debris-its like the vacuum cleaner wasn't turned on.

Post# 199268 , Reply# 14   9/5/2012 at 11:02 (2,762 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

I rather enjoyed the part where they said that some of the most expensive vacuums on the market can't do bare floors... then showed a Dyson and a Bagless Bissell... I wasn't aware that bagless Bissells were the most expensive uprights on the market.... I guess I was confused.... I thought that Kirby, Royal, Miele, Riccar/Simplicity, and Sebo/Windsor were a little bit more expensive than a bagless Bissell!

Post# 199271 , Reply# 15   9/5/2012 at 11:09 (2,762 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I haven't seen the video, but from what Scott said, I'll have to! I need cheering up today.

Post# 199272 , Reply# 16   9/5/2012 at 11:10 (2,762 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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BRIAN - sorry.

I'm not with it today.

Post# 199928 , Reply# 17   9/8/2012 at 01:50 (2,760 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        

gonna get the crappy 4412 out the shed today and do a video the original powerhead that came with this machine was the same as some od the australian hoover powerheads but the wertheim one had the headlight the hoover one didnt id much prefer to have the powerhead off the hoover windtunnel aniversary vac

Post# 200067 , Reply# 18   9/9/2012 at 12:36 (2,758 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
wertheim 4412 same as bank vault

finally a quick video of the wertheim 4412


Post# 200498 , Reply# 19   9/13/2012 at 03:41 (2,755 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND)        

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The high end tacony canisters, Riccar Immaculate and Impeccable (and Simplicity twins) are made in america.. the 1500 and down are made foreign but... That being said, Tacony is building on their factory to bring the canister production back home.. They just added several positions for workers to ramp up the production... Or so I've heard...

Post# 200687 , Reply# 20   9/14/2012 at 14:36 (2,753 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        

Refurbished as new on Ebay- no warranty but its not like its likely to be a daily driver!



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