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Post# 198726   9/2/2012 at 14:54 (2,773 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I was wondering if anybody could give me a guide as to what designs Hoover UK used on their paper bag packages throughout the years ?

Reason being, I currently have a back of H1 bags which are the style in the URL provided below.

Incidentally I actually won the auction for those H1 bags so I shall have another pack soon.


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Post# 198814 , Reply# 1   9/2/2012 at 23:46 (2,773 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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The models pictured it looks like they would be U.S.A Hoover Type C bags. Bottom fill bags where you slide thick rubber band over bag that slips onto collar. The current Type C and similar Eureka F&G, have a paper collar that slips onto the plastic tube. The paper collar acts as a tube to lead the way and create a Top Fill bag, so the bag goes up the paper tube and drops down into the bottom of a separate portion of a bag, just like a Type A.

Post# 198835 , Reply# 2   9/3/2012 at 02:28 (2,773 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Those bags can be used on bottom fill and top fill machine I believe.

And yes, they are the same as the Type C bags in America, it is interesting how the names vary isn't it ?


Post# 198844 , Reply# 3   9/3/2012 at 04:12 (2,773 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Apart from the introduction of high filtration bags in the later 1990's which came in a bag with green writing (identical to that style of yours there, just green), the only other style which I remember came recently when the drawings of sevreal cleaners were replaced with one single colour photograph of the actual cleaner. There will have been other styles of bag of course, but Hoover did that blue bag for so long that I don't remember any other in my time spent selling them.

Post# 198857 , Reply# 4   9/3/2012 at 05:45 (2,773 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes Benny I know the green one you are talking about as I have a pack of H18 bags of that description.

Very good bags and indeed high filtration I must say.


Post# 199002 , Reply# 5   9/3/2012 at 21:47 (2,772 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I love the vintage ones for the Senior/Junior - the orange ones. I remember as a child being able to see and identify the models from the pictures on the orange bags and going to other mates homes to see what Hoover vacuums they had. 


Post# 199649 , Reply# 6   9/6/2012 at 14:52 (2,769 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Have you received those bags yet? just wondering if they are good quality ones, or look like they have been stored in someones garage for years - you know, a bit dog eared and battered. Have you fitted on to your Ranger yet to be able to comment on the permeability and porosity of the bags - ie whether they allow your Ranger to breathe properly giving it good airflow and suction?

Post# 199664 , Reply# 7   9/6/2012 at 16:30 (2,769 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I haven't received the eBay ones yet (and they will be in good condition as they are sealed) but I have a pack of the same bags and they are truly the best bags I have ever used!

Even after using the Ranger a few times they can still be compressed EASILY when the machine is running.

It is genuine all the way, at least for my H1s.


Post# 199734 , Reply# 8   9/6/2012 at 20:17 (2,769 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

That package was late Eighties, into the 1990s.

Previous 1980's Hoover bags came in a clear cellophane wrapper, which tore readily.

Later 1990 bags came in the Candy-ised purple wrapper.


Post# 199736 , Reply# 9   9/6/2012 at 21:29 (2,769 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I've been thinking about bags for the Ranger - What about trying to modify a Miele S7 bag or a Sebo X4 bag by cutting off the part with the opening, straight across and clamping the resulting bag onto the exhaust tube of the Ranger with the rubber clasp band? These bags are more modern and able to hold much more before becoming clogged - might have a try with a Sebo X4 bag to start with as they are triple layered, and the original entry point is right on the top of the bag. The Ranger would then be able to breathe better and be more efficient as the bag fills.

- Just tried it with a Sebo X4 bag - its a bit smaller than the cheapo crap that was in the ranger when I bought it, but it fits on, and I shall try it later too see if the Ranger has more suction power using a Sebo bag, as there's not much difference in price.


Post# 199758 , Reply# 10   9/7/2012 at 00:51 (2,769 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Do you not have any C bags for the "Ranger"?

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Are they hard to get over there? Is yours top fill or bottom? They are still plentiful here. Let me know.
John


Post# 199771 , Reply# 11   9/7/2012 at 04:50 (2,769 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

My Ranger is bottom fill, and the C type bags are called H1 type here - they are readily available still, not a problem, but I was talking about filtration in another thread and it got me thinking about the way that dirty fan cleaners were always regarded as putting dust back into the air again due to their primitive filtration bags. Kirby reectified this with the Micron Magic and later Hepa fabric bags, but for other older models such as the Ranger, we only have single layer paper bags that often split open or clog so impairing the suction to the point that they burst anyway and spew the contents inside the cloth outer bag. Sebo X series bags are the same price as hoover H1 bags (About 10 for 10) and as I have a box of these for my X4, and they hold a fair amount, I thought I would try one on the Ranger to see how it worked. The Sebo bags have a paper outer layer and 2 material inner layers, giving them greater strength and better porosity when they are filling up.

Post# 199793 , Reply# 12   9/7/2012 at 10:06 (2,768 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I tried exactly what you are suggesting many years ago when my parents owned an Oreck XL. Back then they had 4 layer dust bags and the original 2 layer green dust bags for the Oreck. It kind of worked - but the problem was that once you cut a bag in half, or however you do it, you'll loosen the sealed paper to the bag, causing the layers to fall in, making it difficult to tie the bag around the round dust channel feeder in the bottom or top fill tubes in the Hoover uprights. I found that, compared to the 300 watts of the Oreck XL, the increased power in the Hoover uprights often pulled the bag away from the rubber ring, no matter how many times i tried to get more of the paper's top over the ring. Clearly although Hoover's own bags had dual layers of filtration, they were designed to fit instead of using another brand's dust bag.

 

I've often wondered why it wasn't possible for brands to offer a zipped section of material similar to an electrostatic filtration that could be attached to the inner part of the outer soft bag of an upright vacuum. That way, it could hold back any escaping dust as well as act as a main filter and allow owners to just take off the inner section of material after the bag instead of have the owner remove the entire outer bag for periodic cleaning. Hoover evidently just didn't bother to offer this and instead had the owner go through the palaver of removing the entire outer bag should it get caked in dust - brushing it out could only remove it half way, damp cloth washing the inner bag often meant ground in dirt often got more ground in unless you were lucky enough to own another vacuum, like a cylinder vac to suck out excess dust that had clogged the outer bag that had come from the dust bag.





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