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Post# 195507   8/16/2012 at 16:36 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Hi Guys.

Picked this up last weekend, it only came with the hose, but couldn't leave it looking sorry for itself.

Anyone got any info? Nothing on here after a search, and Hooverland has a few posts which vaguely say it was a BOL cleaner from the early 80's.

Anyone got any more information?

It's been cleaned up since these pictures were taken, just waiting for the final piece to dry and I can post some afters... Runs really well, even though it's last cleaning task was bl**dy plaster dust...





Post# 195508 , Reply# 1   8/16/2012 at 16:36 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Another. Does the 333 mean it's an early one?

Post# 195510 , Reply# 2   8/16/2012 at 16:37 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

It's supposed to be used with a paper bag (seen them for sale, exactly the same as a Junior bag, so I can use up some of my large quantity of bojack paper bags!

Post# 195512 , Reply# 3   8/16/2012 at 16:42 (2,785 days old) by hooverhoover98 (Wales,South)        

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OMG! i think i can remember my nan having one of these!!
it was awsome, and it used to smell of coconut lol :)
happy hoovering :)
Tom :)


Post# 195515 , Reply# 4   8/16/2012 at 16:45 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh wow, that is some Vacuum Cleaner!

I have a soft spot for Philips vacuums and I absolutely adore that one just from the pictures.

Please post some pictures of it all cleaned up!

I can't help on information but I'm sure Benny will be along soon enough with a wealth of just that.


Post# 195517 , Reply# 5   8/16/2012 at 16:51 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

All I can tell you was these date to the early 1980s and were Philips' cheapest cleaner. Indeed at around the 40 mark they were the cheapest of many cleaners and this was a branded name at that. Very, very good machine for the price, but with a lousy floor tool and only an small tool by way of attachments. Although there was a spring loaded ball in the tubes to lock the tools in place, any 32mm attachement would fit. I sold a good deal of such sized tools for many a Philips cleaner. All I would do is to drill a hole in the attachment for the ball to sit.

On the positive side, these machines were ultra quiet in use, had good suction, and were lightweight. On the negative, there is no way of succesfully storing the lead, the on/off button is easily knocked by the hose during use, and the flex often snapped inside the cleaner as there is a tight metal clamp over it. But that is easily fixed by taking the cleaner part and shortening the lead. I liked these cleaners very much.


Post# 195519 , Reply# 6   8/16/2012 at 16:55 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Will do, got a full strip-down and clean-up thread to post!

Sneak preview...

Before



Post# 195520 , Reply# 7   8/16/2012 at 16:55 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

After...

Post# 195521 , Reply# 8   8/16/2012 at 16:57 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Better get some ice for those ears Benny, 6 minutes, that's pretty quick!

Post# 195527 , Reply# 9   8/16/2012 at 17:01 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It took me a while to understand that, but I am with you now. I am suitably bored with television and not a bit sleepy.

Post# 195536 , Reply# 10   8/16/2012 at 17:09 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Lucky you Benny, I can feel myself getting a wee bit tired but it doesn't mean a thing because my insomnia means I feel very tired but CANNOT DRIFT OFF TO SLEEP.

It is SO frustrating because it makes perfect sense that when tired you should sleep, but my brain just will not shut down, it keeps mulling useless dilemmas and quandaries over for no reason, such as "how many Turbopower 2 bags do I have left ?".


Post# 195543 , Reply# 11   8/16/2012 at 17:15 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well you could be sat here wondering how many days, weeks, years one has left to live, whilst simultaneously doing little useful with that time.

Post# 195544 , Reply# 12   8/16/2012 at 17:16 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Short video of it's first fire-up under my ownership...


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Post# 195549 , Reply# 13   8/16/2012 at 17:21 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Very true Benny, every second we spend wondering when we will die is a second closer to death and of course, that second has been wasted thinking about just that.

It is a cruel vicious circle isn't it ?


Post# 195552 , Reply# 14   8/16/2012 at 17:26 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes.

Post# 195555 , Reply# 15   8/16/2012 at 17:27 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Sounds OK, and the bag - reminds me of the old 70's electrolux cylinder cleaners from when I was a child! Needs a fair bit of tidying though, but will keep you occupied for hours - they are the sort of find I like, but in the upright form as I am more of an uprights fan.

Post# 195558 , Reply# 16   8/16/2012 at 17:30 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You should get a U700 or U800 then Steve, they are brilliant performers but the bodies are of pessimal quality unfortunately.

Post# 195559 , Reply# 17   8/16/2012 at 17:31 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

That's exactly why I grabbed it, for a project! Not that I need anymore projects, already got the Electrolux 414 to finish, write the stripdown on and sell, the turbopower autoflex total system to restore and pack into the loft, turbopower plus to restore and store etc etc!

My partner's little cousin knows that I like vacs, and pointed out every wrecked plasti-vac and DC01 at the particular car boot. This was the most exciting thing there all day! She got excited, and I couldn't say no! I'm more of an upright man myself as well.

Will let her play before I put it on ebay.


Post# 195561 , Reply# 18   8/16/2012 at 17:31 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Funny you say this. I seem to have a notion that a good deal of upright owners bought these Philips cleaners to use alongside an upright. The price of the Philips was such that it was affordable and not an extravagant purchase, yet the cleaner was durable and of a well known make. I know this as many times people came in to tell me they had bought a Philips cylinder but needed to buy some more attachments.

Post# 195564 , Reply# 19   8/16/2012 at 17:37 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Was it this that did not come wit ha crevice tool?

Have to say the plastics on the P60 are top notch, apart from one deep gouge on the side, the rest should machine polish out (if I bother). It looks like it could take being thrown around without too much bother.

When I put it back together I clamped the cord on another piece, since it was flattened where it was previously clamped. The cord is a sod to stay on, I end up looping it up and pushing it through the handle.


Post# 195568 , Reply# 20   8/16/2012 at 17:41 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well back in the early 80s uprights still had poor hose suction compared to cylinders so a cylinder was a good choice for thorough above floor cleaning.

These days uprights have as good hose suction as cylinders so that need has more or less ceased to exist.


Post# 195569 , Reply# 21   8/16/2012 at 17:42 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

No crevice tool, no dusting brush, not even the clip-on brush for the small tools. Such was the Philips way of doing it. You pay more, you get more. Some models like the P61 or P62 maybe had a plastic strap fitted to the middle of the cleaner so the user could coil up the lead and push it under the strap. I once serviced a Philips P80 (same cleaner but later grey & white version, with 1000watt motor) and the user had been storing a good deal of the lead by pushing it inside the cleaner through the hole it came out of. Most of the lead was still knotted up inside when I opened the cleaner. The mind does wonder.

Post# 195570 , Reply# 22   8/16/2012 at 17:47 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Jamie you overlook a number of points. the suction power of the cleaner was only one factor. The convenience of a cylinder for a good deal of tasks can be worth it's weight in gold. My mother owned an Electrolux 504 which she loved, but soon bought an Electrolux 302 too for upstairs as there was a good deal of hard flooring up there. Whilst her 504 had good suction and a full set of tools (indeed the floor tool on the 504 was better than the one which the 302 came with), she still prefered pulling a cylinder round when cleaning with the hose for long periods. It was easier for high level tasks too as the cleaner could be stood on end for extra reach and was easier on stairs.

Modern uprights all have stretch hoses, which, when combined with lots of suction, are very difficult to use. To some extent I would say that although the power of modern upright cleaners has increased, the convenience of using the tools has become less so.


Post# 195571 , Reply# 23   8/16/2012 at 17:48 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I wish the plastic Dyson used on the DC07 were top notch - I've never known a cleaner that so many different plastic parts become brittle and snap off or crack.
Funnily enough theres a philips cylinder on EBay now that I'm interested in, but dont know much about them though, Seller says its a T300 - any thoughts?


Post# 195575 , Reply# 24   8/16/2012 at 17:52 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

That crevice tool looks like it's from a different cleaner! Different shade of grey (no gray jokes please...)

Post# 195576 , Reply# 25   8/16/2012 at 17:52 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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What about ? It seems logical for somebody to try and store the flex inside the cleaner...

Post# 195578 , Reply# 26   8/16/2012 at 17:55 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That T300 has a Numatic floor tool by the looks of it.

As for the crevice tool being a different shade of grey (there are 50 different shades you know...) that doesn't surprise me. The crevice tool on my U800 is a different shade from the hose nozzle. That is cheap products for you, but none-the-less good performing.


Post# 195581 , Reply# 27   8/16/2012 at 17:59 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Very funny about the grey Jamie. It is a genuine Philips tool, but not off this model. T300 was another cheap but good model. Again, downside was no usable space to store the lead.

They also had a major fault in the switch. Unlike the P60 style which had the same sort of heavy duty switch under the pedal as a good deal of other makes (Like Electrolux cylinders for example), this one has smaller, softer switch like the Vax 2000 style cleaners had. These switches were fine for a hand switch, but could not cope with the force of a foot. Add to that the hose which would frequently bang the huge foot pedal and thus press the switch off and on, as would knocking the cleaner against a surface when carrying it around, it added to a massive amount of wear on the tiny switch.


Post# 195582 , Reply# 28   8/16/2012 at 18:01 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

So you recknon that T300 is not all original then - I thought it looked a tidy cleaner and bidding starts at 17. Its in Manchester so I could drive there to get it

Post# 195583 , Reply# 29   8/16/2012 at 18:02 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Sorry it was Beko who made the funny joke. Jamie the floor tool is a Wessel Werk, the design of which has been used on more cleaners than I could think of. Vax was the major one, but so, so many cleaners have had them. It is original for the T300 and was widely available as a spare part for all makes and models.

Post# 195584 , Reply# 30   8/16/2012 at 18:03 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Only the crevice tool is not original to that model. But it still looks like an original Philips part. As I said earlier, people often bought the 'missing' parts.

Post# 195587 , Reply# 31   8/16/2012 at 18:07 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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By all means bid Steve, it is in good condition by the looks of things.

Post# 195588 , Reply# 32   8/16/2012 at 18:09 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

So what you are saying is that it doesnt have a cord rewind? not that thats a major problem, but its unusual for a cylinder not to have it. the seller doesnt say there is a problem with the switch, but I'm gonna keep my eye on the price and may go for it as I dont have many cylinders in my collection, and although its cheap and basic, its the condition that appeals to me. Does it have a 32mm or 35mm pipe?

Post# 195589 , Reply# 33   8/16/2012 at 18:11 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I'd guess 35mm because that is what my U800 has.

Post# 195593 , Reply# 34   8/16/2012 at 18:18 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

No it is 32mm. I did mention this earlier. Philips used a 32mm tube with a spring loaded ball inside the tube. The 35mm on your upright Jamie is such because this model, as you know, is not made by Philips. It was made by a 3rd party and used by a good deal of manufacturers.

Whilst the Philips tubes are 32mm, they do not taper in the same way as an Electrolux for example does. The Philips is a straight end tube, using the ball to lock attachments in place. Because of this, one has to be very careful to make sure that any other 32mm attachments used are a good fit, as some do not allow much of the Philips tube to sit inside of it.

The T300 does not have a cordwinder. Though much later than the P60, it is essentially the cleaner which replaced that base model some years later.


Post# 195594 , Reply# 35   8/16/2012 at 18:18 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

35mm? thats the size Miele and Bosch use, so I'd have accessories that would fit that hose then - just another thought, is the wand plasic or black metal, as I'm just not keen on plastic wands. Any Idea how old the T300 might be? all these questions lol - Philips cleaners are a new brand for me, never had one, although I do have a Philips LCD 32" TV and thats been brilliant!

Post# 195595 , Reply# 36   8/16/2012 at 18:21 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The T300 started in the early part of the 1990s. It had light grey plastic tubes and mains lead, but this was updated after a couple of years to dark grey, which is what we see here. As for sizes of tube, well I think you were typing at the same time as myself, so you may have missed my reply.

Post# 195597 , Reply# 37   8/16/2012 at 18:27 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Thanks Benny for the info, and based on that, I dont think I will go for it after all, as I dont really like plastic tubes - metal is best for them. Sounds very basic and with the costs to collect it will mean nearly 30 for it assuming there is no other interest in it.
Might turn my attention to the Electrolux 522 thats in Preston, although it will probably sell for a high price in the end.


Post# 195598 , Reply# 38   8/16/2012 at 18:31 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The Philips tubes were very flexible. Having said that, they rarely broke, mainly because the fittins did not taper into a tight fit. A good fit, yes, but not tight. The tubes also fitted deeply into each other, which helped. These machines were great for small homes and could last forever if bought as a second cleaner for jobs involving the hose.

Post# 195600 , Reply# 39   8/16/2012 at 18:36 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Steve, I note with interest your comments about it being unusual for a cylinder cleaner not to have a cordwinder. It certainly is by today's standards, but up until the last 10 years I suppose it was quite normal for the basic models in all brands to have no such feature. What is unusual is that most basic cleaners would at least have some kind of manual provision for storing the lead, although this was not always the case. As time progressed, the number of cleaners with neither a manual or automatic cord winding facility did seem to increase.

Post# 195603 , Reply# 40   8/16/2012 at 18:42 (2,785 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I am more of an upright fan, and dont have that many cylinders at the moment - am looking to branch out a bit more to include a few more cylinders, but yes, in the olden days when cylinders were long thin tubular machines, the cord did used to wrap round the machine. The models of the late 90's and this millenium such as the Dyson DC02,DC05,DC08,DC11 etc the Henry's miele's all had cord winders. I just see it as more the norm that cylinders have cord winders and uprights dont. Although my Hitachi Powerhouse upright actually does, which I find a rarity.

Post# 195608 , Reply# 41   8/16/2012 at 18:55 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well, not just the long thin cleaners. Basic Electrolux cleaners always had provision for the flex to be wrapped around the end cap and up to the handle and back. Some Goblin cleaners had nothing and it was left to the user to wrap the lead round and round the body of the cleaner. The Hoover 417 was the same. Yet the Constellation on the other hand had TWO storage areas! Officially the lead was to wrap around the carry handle, but a good deal of owners wrapped it around the base instead.

In the 1980's the Electrolux slimline range had cord hooks built into the rear of the machine. But some other cleaners like the Philips had nothing. Interestingly, the cheap Goblin Rio had integrated grooves to wind the lead around, but the more expensive Goblin Solo didn't! Mind you, the Solo had the exact same motor and tools as the Rio, even though the Rio was designed to be seen as a much smaller, cheaper machine; the only difference was that the Solo had a paper bag. I once had a customer telling me she had both a Rio and a Solo but didn't use the Rio much as it was simply not capable as doing the work of the Solo. If only she knew.


Post# 195671 , Reply# 42   8/17/2012 at 04:49 (2,785 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I have the T300. It's a very late 80's/early 90's machine and replaced the P60 as the BOL cleaner. There were a lot of varieties of this style cleaner running well into the late 90's. I believe the P60 ran alongside the T300 for a while as it was slightly larger. Will post some catalogue pics when I get home


Post# 195673 , Reply# 43   8/17/2012 at 05:02 (2,785 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

No not quite, the P60 finished in the mid 1980s and was replaced with the P80 I wrote about earlier. That was the one which I remember being around before the T300. In 1994 there was a small explosion of cleaners from Philips, from bottom range models to top. They were on sale for about two years and then almost all Philips cleaners went off sale.

Post# 195679 , Reply# 44   8/17/2012 at 05:19 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Steve, I wouldn't let the fact it has plastic tubes put you off.

I have plastic tubes on my 1988 Hitachi Powerhouse CV2550 of the same era and I don't have a complaint against them. They are light, strong and durable.

Of course metal tubes are always better and in the case of modern cleaners, such as my 2008 JMB SC1056, the tubes aren't made of good quality plastic and do snap, often where the hose nozzle connects to the first extension tube due to the friction fit tapered nozzle trying to pull the tube outwards when you push it in. That reminds me, I will have to glue that some time.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I actually have a soft spot for BOL Vacuum Cleaners.

Mainly because there is little to go wrong and what there is normally works for a long time due to the fact that the engineering didn't have to be spread out to cord winders and other gizmos so it was just centred around making a good motor.


Post# 195702 , Reply# 45   8/17/2012 at 07:37 (2,785 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Sam, where is this thread with more pictures!? I don't think I can wait much longer...

Post# 195714 , Reply# 46   8/17/2012 at 08:00 (2,785 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I've not made it yet! Will write it up tonight. It will be on my blog, as I can't write it up as I would like on here, so it will be a link. Waiting for the cloth bag/filter to dry so I can use it!

Post# 195721 , Reply# 47   8/17/2012 at 08:16 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I hope you'll be fitting an H1 bag for extra protection though ?

And after picking up all that dust, I'm sure some vacuum freshener tabs would be helpful to freshen things up a little.


Post# 195744 , Reply# 48   8/17/2012 at 12:58 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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the Philips range from Argos 1986. The P60 is at the top of the page and retailed at £49.95


Post# 195752 , Reply# 49   8/17/2012 at 13:59 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Fantastic, thank you very much. All I need to do is spend 10 on an argos value cleaner, and have a perfect replica of the pipes and floor tool!

No wonder they are not still with the vac, probably just as well, bet they would be in a state by now!

Don't suppose you've got the blurb as well do you?


Post# 195755 , Reply# 50   8/17/2012 at 14:25 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That cleaner in the top three looks like a P81. The P80 replaced the P60, but was white & grey and had a 1000watt motor. The one pictured is white & grey and also has an all-round furniture guard. This was not present on the P60 or P80.

Post# 195758 , Reply# 51   8/17/2012 at 14:33 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Here's the descriptions - Benny, as you can see, it's 800w. Might be a slightly later version of the one Sam has got, but definitely still a P60. 


Post# 195759 , Reply# 52   8/17/2012 at 14:36 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That cleaner in the picture is model HR6282 which means nothing to me as I only ever looked at the 'P' numbers. It is also listed as having the cord storage strap which I spoke about earlier on. Also it is listed as being 800watts which is odd. I am wondering if it is an exclusive model.

Post# 195760 , Reply# 53   8/17/2012 at 14:38 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I don't think Argos ever had exclusive models, aside from their own brand products. I think Benny it's perhaps a newer variant of the one Sam has here. 


Post# 195761 , Reply# 54   8/17/2012 at 14:39 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Here is a picture of the P80. Identical to the P60 but in white & grey and 1000watt. Also no cord strap or furniture guard.

Post# 195762 , Reply# 55   8/17/2012 at 14:40 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hiya Turbo. If it's a variant, it is likely to be the P61 or P62. One of them have neon lights, the other didn't. They had additional trim on(cord strap, furniture guard) the body of the cleaners. The P60 and P80 does not have those.

Post# 195763 , Reply# 56   8/17/2012 at 14:41 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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that's from 1987. 


Post# 195764 , Reply# 57   8/17/2012 at 14:42 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The P80 is, yes. It replaced the P60. I found a picture to show you what it was like.

Post# 195766 , Reply# 58   8/17/2012 at 14:44 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Here is my Philips T300 compact, with the higher spec variable power 1000w version behind it 


Post# 195767 , Reply# 59   8/17/2012 at 14:49 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The model behind was one of the best cleaners on sale at the time. They were not expensive and the quality was excellent. This looks like it came from around 1994 or so. Do you have a date? Also does it have a moulded plug?

Post# 195769 , Reply# 60   8/17/2012 at 15:12 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Philips Vital 369


Post# 195770 , Reply# 61   8/17/2012 at 15:13 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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sales sticker


Post# 195771 , Reply# 62   8/17/2012 at 15:16 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That is later still, with a hose like that. Maybe 1996-97.

Post# 195772 , Reply# 63   8/17/2012 at 15:25 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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1996 was the date given when I bought it


Post# 195774 , Reply# 64   8/17/2012 at 15:35 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I'm slowly uploading some after shots for you all, as well as a video. Out upload speed is almost non existent at home, I normally upload things at work. 3gb of pics and video's in 25 mins ftw!

The model number is HR 6260/ C 800W if it helps! Presumably makes it earlier than the above catalogue models.



Post# 195775 , Reply# 65   8/17/2012 at 15:38 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I do remember our local Index store having a small display of vacuum cleaners in their window around 1996. The had an odd looking Philips upright which was suction-only. I think called the Olympic or Impulse or something. Strange machine. I only remember Index being the retailer to stock Philips cleaners at the finish.

Post# 195777 , Reply# 66   8/17/2012 at 15:45 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Philips Impulse


Post# 195778 , Reply# 67   8/17/2012 at 15:46 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Very odd cleaner - like a cylinder on a stick. Bit like a bigger version of the Miele Art


Post# 195779 , Reply# 68   8/17/2012 at 15:48 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes that's it. I never really got the theme of it.

Post# 195781 , Reply# 69   8/17/2012 at 15:52 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"like a cylinder on a stick." Ha ha, funny and true.

It resembles those Efbe Schott Vacuum Cleaners actually.


Post# 195788 , Reply# 70   8/17/2012 at 16:03 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Do you mean this? this is based on the Panasonic Jetflo design



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Post# 195792 , Reply# 71   8/17/2012 at 16:06 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have seen those little cleaners. Are they any good?


Post# 195799 , Reply# 72   8/17/2012 at 16:13 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I have seen those little cleaners. Are they any good?

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In a word....no. 

Average suction, cheap motors, appalling brushroll and very cheap construction. The design is based on the Panasonic Jetflo, but everything that made the jetflo great has gone. 


Post# 195800 , Reply# 73   8/17/2012 at 16:14 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Are they as tiny as they look ?


Post# 195802 , Reply# 74   8/17/2012 at 16:16 (2,784 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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They're about the same size as the Jetflo. The body is small, but with a long handle. 


Post# 195803 , Reply# 75   8/17/2012 at 16:17 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yep, that one.

Was actually very close to buying one a few months back, but decided against it - 1400W is a bit too much for a bagged upright in my opinion.


Post# 195804 , Reply# 76   8/17/2012 at 16:17 (2,784 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Oh I see. Now that is interesting as they look tiny in the photographs. Thank you.

Post# 195805 , Reply# 77   8/17/2012 at 16:18 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Average suction, cheap motors, appalling brushroll and very cheap construction." You just described a Dyson... Drum roll please.

Post# 195842 , Reply# 78   8/17/2012 at 17:21 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I've yet to find a panasonic upright with a stiff brushroll, they've all been soft. Shame really, as I've liked all the ones (early-mid 90's) I've used. Sure I read somewhere they did do stiffer ones (oo-er)

BT have finally fulfilled their contractual obligation to provide sh*te internet, and the pictures have uploaded.

So...



Post# 195843 , Reply# 79   8/17/2012 at 17:24 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

The plastics were ingrained with dirt, so I called upon my car cleaning collection to help me (will post a thread up on Detailing World, the vac ones I have done so far went down well!

Cleaned in the shower with hot water, CIF spray and a small paintbrush
Cleaned (once dry) with Lime Prime Lite (A non abrasive paint cleanser). This took the rest of the marks off
Polished with Menzerna PO5S (A Diminishing finishing polish) to get rid of the scuff marks and small scratches.
A fina lgoing over with Autoglym SRP (A Low abrasive filler heavy polish).

Voila!


Post# 195844 , Reply# 80   8/17/2012 at 17:25 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Sure I read somewhere they did do stiffer ones (oo-er)" Well lets hope Sam, nothing worse than a poor brush roll.

I like mine nice and stiff, it's just no fun otherwise.

Deary me I should lift my mind out of the gutter and this coming from somebody who slated 50 Shades of Grey! I'm ashamed of myself.


Post# 195845 , Reply# 81   8/17/2012 at 17:26 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Would the finish on these have been shiny or matte? It's matte at the moment, but can't work out if that's the scratches and scuffs causing that. Don't want to hit it with the machine polisher just yet incase I ruin it.

Post# 195846 , Reply# 82   8/17/2012 at 17:28 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Cut down one of these...

I do have a vac freshener somewhere. At work, in our collection of ancient samples (work for a marketing company) is a Glade drop-in air freshener from 1992. Will save it from the bin. Should be suitably retro. Will pop it behind the cloth bag



Post# 195847 , Reply# 83   8/17/2012 at 17:29 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

This was such a faff to fit. Would the genuine philips ones be any different? By the looks of pictures no, and I'm not paying 5 for 4 more of the loads I already have



Post# 195848 , Reply# 84   8/17/2012 at 17:30 (2,784 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I'm very impressed - from the ugly duckling to the beautiful swan - makes you feel pround doesnt it, turning a clapped out old cleaner into something that looks brand new again? I enjoy that feeling when I do my old cleaners up too. Keep up the good work!

Post# 195849 , Reply# 85   8/17/2012 at 17:30 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

It all seals itself together.

Post# 195850 , Reply# 86   8/17/2012 at 17:32 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Showing how leaky this still is, this was after the below video's. Made a massive mistake though, haven't yet cleaned the hose, and the bag and this are now full of plaster dust again :( Nothing to the extent that it was before, but still annoying.

Still, downy soft inner bag


Post# 195851 , Reply# 87   8/17/2012 at 17:34 (2,784 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

On the other thread i showed that dirty DC07, here is one I did earlier the finished article:

Post# 195852 , Reply# 88   8/17/2012 at 17:34 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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When you say drop it in behind the cloth bag, what exactly do you mean ?

Post# 195853 , Reply# 89   8/17/2012 at 17:34 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Cheers Mad, I love doing it! Even if I just pass them on or sell them, I like to renew their lives, and I can say I've taken one apart!

I had to replace the sponge bit that seals the bag down, used one of my daughters bath sponges that we never use on her


Post# 195854 , Reply# 90   8/17/2012 at 17:36 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

The cloth bag sits in the bag compartment, then the paper bag goes inside that. I'll waste it putting it in the paper bag all the time, and I don't want it to stain the cloth one so I'll try and tape it inside the bag compartment out of the way. Did briefly think of opening it up again and secreting it but probably won't.

Sorry for the rubbish pic. Next to the only thing close enough to age I have.




Post# 195856 , Reply# 91   8/17/2012 at 17:37 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I don't think I've ever seen a black cyclone before. Is it a special?



Post# 195859 , Reply# 92   8/17/2012 at 17:38 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Two questions - "opening it up all the time", what do you mean ?

Secondly, what do you mean by secreting it ?

I'm sorry to be a pain but I'm confused!


Post# 195860 , Reply# 93   8/17/2012 at 17:39 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I'll stop spamming this thread now!

Apart from some video's!!

Off to write the rebuild up properly! Watch this space...



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Post# 195861 , Reply# 94   8/17/2012 at 17:40 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

It kicks the DC05's behind (see the other thread for a similar video in a sec!)

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Post# 195862 , Reply# 95   8/17/2012 at 17:41 (2,784 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The black cyclone was one of the last DC07s to be produced about 2008/2009 - It was an end of line argos exclusive - very basic with no clutch, called the Precision. That one above I sold 3 weeks back for 55. The dirty one on the other thread I bought today for 14.50 spares or repairs - I'll be refurbing it and selling it on, as I already have 2 DC07's in my collection. I take it you will be selling on that P60? sounds like the Inland revenue tax form you get each year lol - wonder of they made a P45?

Post# 195863 , Reply# 96   8/17/2012 at 17:44 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Lol ok J, I'll try and explain (will try, as said air freshener is sat on my desk out of bounds until Monday!)

Imagine something the size of a pen lid, that is the air freshener. Was thinking of taping it onto here somewhere, imagine the smell will still permeate the air.

Bag Compartment.



Post# 195865 , Reply# 97   8/17/2012 at 17:45 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You know Steve I knew it rung a bell!

Post# 195866 , Reply# 98   8/17/2012 at 17:47 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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OK, now I know what you meant about secreting it (I did all along it seems now you've explained it) but what do you mean about opening it up all the time ?

Post# 195867 , Reply# 99   8/17/2012 at 17:48 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Yea will sell it fairly soon, quick project and all. May start doing a few more. It doesn't owe me much at all.

Cloth bag, goes inside the bag compartment first (and seals it all together).

Could drop it in here, but I don't know if it will stain the cloth bag. Plus it will get dusty, and I'm not going to use this until it's full ever.



Post# 195868 , Reply# 100   8/17/2012 at 17:50 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I didn't say open it up all the time, I meant I could tape it up inside the case somewhere, but if it stank and had to go, I'd have to open it up again to get it. Didn't want some collector in 40 years getting hold of it (in hopefully as good condition) and finding the remains wrapped around something!

Just me being picky. Will bring it home on Monday (will see what else we have).

If it's rubbish then I'll just febreeze the cloth bag


Post# 195869 , Reply# 101   8/17/2012 at 17:51 (2,784 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Are you gonna sell it on Ebay? collection only or courier? what sort of price are you gonna be look for for it - dont start it at 99p though unless you want to end up selling it for that!

Post# 195870 , Reply# 102   8/17/2012 at 17:51 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I see now!

I wish I could afford to buy it from you but the bank says no. I hope it goes to a good home.

Personally when I fix a vacuum up I like to keep it, but everybody is different.


Post# 195872 , Reply# 103   8/17/2012 at 17:53 (2,784 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

A few drops of scented burner oil on the bag will keep it smelling nice - done that a fair few times on my bagged cleaners

Post# 195874 , Reply# 104   8/17/2012 at 18:02 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Was thinking ebay, not for 99p, but won't start it for more than 20, I'm a realist, not one of those people that list a 119 with new white cable, rust and bojack bag for 140 bin!

Would be courier, I used MyHermes to ship the Kirby G5 System, cost 20. Wasn't too impressed when they didn't pick it up on the day, but a quick email bagged me a 20% code and daily email updates!

J - I'd love to keep everything I found, and one day, maybe I will. If this was complete then I'd keep it, but space is limited so saving it for Turbopowers or other OMFG items!

Would consider a swap though... Still, in the future for now, will use it as a daily driver for a while, incase I never see one again!


Post# 195876 , Reply# 105   8/17/2012 at 18:04 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Indeed, you may not as they are quite rare, so enjoy that one while you have it!

Post# 195880 , Reply# 106   8/17/2012 at 18:10 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Oooh, got me contemplating now. Need to rope in some child labour in the form of my girlfriends 15yo cousin. She fits into our tiny loft really well, and can stack the boxes of cleaners right at the back. May see if there is space for one more then...

Still, it'll probably sit upstairs for a few weeks yet. Still on the fence about keeping the Lux 414. Must find some modern tat to fix and sell to justify them to the missus...


Post# 195881 , Reply# 107   8/17/2012 at 18:13 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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If it will fit, keep it!

I'll even come and put it here for you for a bottle of Scotch and a Roy Orbison LP...


Post# 195882 , Reply# 108   8/17/2012 at 18:14 (2,784 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I mean "put it there". It's past midnight, that's my excuse!

Post# 195887 , Reply# 109   8/17/2012 at 19:07 (2,784 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Lol thanks for the offer!

Just ruined my fingers typing this up...It;s the full stripdown of the P60.

Hope you enjoy, I'm off to bed!!


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