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Post# 194541   8/13/2012 at 06:49 (2,794 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Thanks to our very own Mr. Copp, I got to use the new Dyson DC40 this weekend.

 

Now, some of you who know me may fall off your chairs when you read this, so be prepared.

 

It's brilliant. Everything I hated about Dysons - the impractical hose arrangement, naff brushroll and messy filter maintenance - has gone. The motorised brushroll is lovely and stiff and really does a great job. The new suction sealing adjusting floorhead really does stick to the carpet and because it lowers automatically, it doesn't miss bits on hard floors. The new wand is much lighter than on previous models and is much quicker and less faffy to release. The machine itself is absolutely the perfect size for the average British home. It's considerably larger than the DC24 and much more powerful, but it's still lightweight and easy to use with a full length hose.

 

The filters. OH MY LORD, the filters. The new filter set up is probably the biggest and most welcome improvement. It's more accessible, easier to clean and quicker drying.

 

On the whole, very impressed. It comes with a whopping £300 price tag, but if you shop around, you can pick them up cheaper. See link to the love red DC40i at a more reasonable price



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Post# 194543 , Reply# 1   8/13/2012 at 07:03 (2,794 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Is it easier to use than the Sebo Felix though?

Post# 194560 , Reply# 2   8/13/2012 at 08:29 (2,793 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Is it easier to use than the Sebo Felix though?

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No. It's lighter than the Felix, but not as easy to maneuver. I find the Felix pulls itself along - almost as though it has a power assist. It doesn't groom the carpet as well as a Felix does either. However, in terms of Dyson cleaners, it's my favourite of the lot and one that I would happilly own.


Post# 194564 , Reply# 3   8/13/2012 at 08:47 (2,793 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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We get the dc42 in SA which is just a different colour to the dc40 however I have a dc40 sample that was sent to us to check out, I was so impressed with that machine. Great size so easy to use, once I used it I found everything else cumbersome.

My dc40


Post# 194566 , Reply# 4   8/13/2012 at 08:52 (2,793 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Sebo fan

I have the felix and the dc40 and yes while the felix is nice it is bulky and weighs a ton compared to the dc40, the dc40 is also far easier to move around


Post# 194570 , Reply# 5   8/13/2012 at 09:08 (2,793 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
the dc40 is also far easier to move around

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I have to disagree, I found the ball mechanism to be quite stiff and not as easier to stear than the Felix, even though the Felix is heavier. Also, the Felix hardly weighs a ton - slight over exaggeration there.

 

Just to note, I will not let this thread turn into a Dyson vs. Sebo thread. Both have their market and both are high performing machines. It's amazingly refreshing to be singing the praises of a Dyson product for a change.


Post# 194573 , Reply# 6   8/13/2012 at 09:19 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Chris, you probably know more than anybody else how much I hate Dysons, but if what you say is true about the DC40 then I take my hat off to them.

I'm not saying I'll buy one (mainly because I'm without income at the moment) but if Dyson is improving then that can only be a good thing.

If I do buy a DC40 some time, you lot will be the first to know.

Still, it can't be as good as a Hoover Senior Ranger...


Post# 194574 , Reply# 7   8/13/2012 at 09:31 (2,793 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Still, it can't be as good as a Hoover Senior Ranger...

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There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare a cleaner made35 years ago with one made this year. Both are for totally different markets, with different floortypes.

We're now living in a world where cleaning hard floors and above floor cleaning is equally as important as carpet cleaning. Also, the types of carpets people are laying these days is totally different. In 1977, thick wall to wall carpets held in place around the edge of the room with grippers and with thick underlay could be found in 98% of homes. The senior was designed so that the air could pass under the carpet, therefore the carpet would be sucked into the base of the cleaner and lifted as the grit was beaten out of it and the pile on the carpet fluffed up by the brushes. These days, laminate and hardwood floors are more popular andthe majority of new carpets are stuck down, hard wearing carpets (similar to carpets fitted in offices). This type of carpet renders the cleaningsystem of the senioruseless as air cannotpassunder the carpet and very little pile is present in the first place.Strong suction and sweeping action is all that is needed to effectively clean the carpet. This is especially common in rented properties and as more and more people rent now than ever, this means the market has changed completely.

The Dyson DC40 and Hoover Senior are both very effective machines. They are, however, designed for completely different scenarios and one would perform higher than the other in each environment. The Dyson would whoop the senior's ass in a modern home with lots of different floortypes and hard wearing, low pile carpets. For that reason, the comparison is completely invalid.

**end rant**


Post# 194582 , Reply# 8   8/13/2012 at 09:59 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh my Chris, you seem to have taken me seriously, I was being flippant!

Post# 194588 , Reply# 9   8/13/2012 at 10:33 (2,793 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I do find the Sebo to weigh a ton compared to the dc40 and thats my opinion not an and not there for you to dismiss Now before you Jump off the deepend about this turning into a dyson vs sebo thread, I sell both machines in my shop. I think both have there good quality's.
I realise that I like the dc40 more than the felix for a number of reasons so what I like to do to get an objective view is to lend the machines one after another to family members to use. My mom , mother in law sister in law and my wife all used the sebo and dc40, all made the same comments and all couldn't care less about a vacuum as long a its easy to use. All said the dc40 was easier to use and felt less heavy.

Now I also take it that it goes down to what you are used to.and what you feel comfortable with.
The ball was a little tight but I put it down to the machine been brand new,compared to my dc25 but then I realised that my dc25 was 3 years old already and had done more mileage than most vacuums would do in 10 years. With in a day or two it was whizzing around with ease


Post# 194590 , Reply# 10   8/13/2012 at 10:49 (2,793 days old) by trebor ()        
take a look...

or another look at:




 

the launch of the G-tech Air-ram.  Pay close attention to the bits about power consumption/dirt removal efficiency.  I think a re-introduction of the Hoover junior would be absolutely brilliant and a huge hit after all the plastic throwaway stuff we have had.


Post# 194593 , Reply# 11   8/13/2012 at 11:06 (2,793 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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One thing I wanted to add, That we always seem to forget n this forum.

We are not consumers but Vacuum Fanatics.

Whether it be Hoover , Eureka, Kirby,Sebo or Dyson we all have our preferences. When you are a die hard Kirby fan a Rainbow or Sebo will always fall short compared to your beloved Kirby, same with any other make of vacuum.

Put it this way, I am also a Car fanatic, I Love Mercedes Benz, Yesterday a friend came to see me in His brand new Audi a6, Wow what a car they have definitely improved over the years that's for sure, but in my mind it still didn't feel as safe as my older gen E class or my other Mercs, why Because I love Mercedes.

In JMurrys world there is nothing better than a Hoover Ranger, for him its the best vacuum. there is no need to take him to task over it

My old Mercedes Eclass is old but in my opinion, the best yes it uses more petrol than all of our other cars combined but I don't care, Its my choice my car.

The same goes for our vacuum cleaners. You are not going to find an unbiased opinion on here,

THIS IS A VACUUM CLEANER FORUM NOT A CONSUMER REPORT


Post# 194594 , Reply# 12   8/13/2012 at 11:15 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Indeed Gareth, we are all biased as to the machines we own and love.

For example in my mind there is no better clean fan upright of the 90s than the Hoover Turbopower 2 nor is there a better dirty fan upright of the pre-1980s than the Senior - IN MY MIND.



Post# 194595 , Reply# 13   8/13/2012 at 11:23 (2,793 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

Not only did I fall off my chair, I hit my head on the way down too!

I quite like the Dc40 aswell and have always thought it was great for British sized homes. They do seam to be taking the colour out more now but whatever is in colour seams to be in very bright deep colours.


Post# 194596 , Reply# 14   8/13/2012 at 11:31 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Nothing is deeper than the lovely Blueberry Metallic of the Turbopower 1000 U2812, surely you know that! Hmph.

Post# 195567 , Reply# 15   8/16/2012 at 17:39 (2,790 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"the majority of new carpets are stuck down, hard wearin

I beg to differ. No self-respecting person would have cheap stuck down carpet fitted in their home.

Wall to wall, with grippers and a suitable underlay beneath ("Dunlop Tredaire", "Cloud 9", etc.)

Axminsters, Wiltons and even foam backed are vastly superior to the contract office rubbish.


Post# 195577 , Reply# 16   8/16/2012 at 17:53 (2,790 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well regardless of who is right and wrong, I don't think it is a matter of respect, more a matter of us having more choice. After the war, there was no choice. One put one's name on a list for a square of carpet and you were contacted when one became available. You didn't ask about sizes or colour, you just said yes or no.

We bought quality because that was pretty much all there was. And we had to stick with it through thick and thin. Carpets got filthy, we got bored of them, they wore thin, but we had to carry on. You would never dream of leaving a carpet behing when you moved house. You took it up and you made it fit rooms in your new home.

Today we have the choice of high and low quality. Cheap carpets which can be replaced quickly and cheaply if they get soiled or even if we get bored are seen as a God send to a good deal of people, I believe.


Post# 195580 , Reply# 17   8/16/2012 at 17:59 (2,790 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Today we have the choice of high and low quality. Cheap carpets which can be replaced quickly and cheaply if they get soiled or even if we get bored are seen as a God send to a good deal of people, I believe." It may be Benny, but I see it as a sin to replace something that still serves its purpose just because you are "bored with it".

Make your bed and lie in it!

That's not aimed at you by the way, but at the "sinners".


Post# 195592 , Reply# 18   8/16/2012 at 18:13 (2,790 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That is as maybe. But now more than ever people are living for the today. Many people in their 40's and beyond -maybe even younger than that- have watched their elders put up and make do with all sorts of things which they could easily have afforded to replace now, but did not do so due to the make-do-and-mend mentality of the war, not to mention the fact that after the war there was little one could buy on the home market.

I'm not advocating waste, but I am saying that there is a lot to be said for buying something for half the price, using half the materials, if we know that whatever it is is likely to succumb to a heavy-duty incident (there are a lot of people here in sheltered housing for whom expensive carpet is a waste of money due to the soiling it gets, please make of that what you will) or even just a change in tastes.

I think it is remarkable and beautiful that some people today are keen to recycle and make do. But having lived through hard times, I do think people have a right to enjoy the moment.


Post# 195607 , Reply# 19   8/16/2012 at 18:52 (2,790 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Those times of make do and mend are coming back! People now are feeling the pinch due to the economic climate, and want better value. I wish places like Espares would charge less for parts as then more people would stop throwing away good items for want of a small part which in itself would cost nearly as much as a whole new appliance - for example, a motor for a miele S5 series would be nearly 160 - who is going to spend that much when you can get a brand new Miele S5 for not a lot more than this? Other manufacturers like Numatic and Dyson sell motors for about 40 for the DC07 and DC14 for example, so its much more worth repairing than replacing, so why cant Miele do the same?
I think as the recession continues, attitudes will change more, and people will make do rather than replace for the sake of it.


Post# 195609 , Reply# 20   8/16/2012 at 19:01 (2,790 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

In response the the DC40, I just hope they have improved the reliability of the brushroll motors - I wont touch a DC24 or DC25 due to how many of them end up with premature brushroll motor problems. I have a DC15, the first ball cleaner, and I hope that this is not fitted with the same motor used in the 24 and 25.
Aside from the reliability issues, the ball models are very good to use, and Dyson addressed the problems of size, and weight of the DC15 well with subsequent ball models, but I think the DC24 was too small like a childs toy. The DC40 is a very nice looking cleaner, but I have I have reservations about its long term reliability, and at over 350 this model needs to be perfect over several years of use to give good value.


Post# 195610 , Reply# 21   8/16/2012 at 19:02 (2,790 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The problem is not that spares have become more expensive or are expensive in general, but that the retail price of new goods has plummeted. I am sure Espares are charging as little as they can afford to do so, even if others are charging less. Also gone are the days where people knew how to repair things. School leavers have been encouraged to stay on and go to University, but in the process at lot of blue collar jobs have disappeared and a lifetime of skills has been irradiated as there were no apprentices to pass them onto.

Personally, I think unless the retail price of electrical goods doubles overnight, it will be a long time before people are going to consider major repairs to their existing products. 'Make do and mend' may be coming back into fashion, but I fear that is all it is; a fashion, something which wealthy people are doing so as to be seen to be doing the right thing or following the right 'fashion'. REAL make do and mend from the 40's and 50's is, I believe, still a very long way away.


Post# 195902 , Reply# 22   8/17/2012 at 20:28 (2,789 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Espares are definitely NOT charging as low as possible. They are rip off merchants and I only know this because I bought from them in the past before vacuum cleaner spares and washing machine spares were made available from Amazon UK or EBay UK.

 

I didn't want my original post to be assumed that I was attacking Dyson - I was just interested to know what Chris found knowing that he has a Felix to - and yet it is interesting to read different views from gsheen who has both too. Sadly I'm not a fan of the DC40 even though it is lighter. I find the mechanism of the wheels and the pivot hinge a bit too cheap - especially for the asking price in the UK, brand new.

 

I like Dyson's designs but I'm not a fan of bagless unless I'm in pet hair cleaning mode solely and picking up the bird seed chucked out from the cage days. Having now got rid of the noisy Vax Mach Air, the only bagless I have is my mains corded Black and Decker hand held and that definitely suffices, not just for its power but for the ease of emptying and using with its numerous optional attachments, extension tubes, blower attachment and washable filter.  Also the new Dirt Devil hand held I inherited is turning out to be pretty good for stairs., car seats and the boot. 


Post# 195991 , Reply# 23   8/18/2012 at 11:23 (2,788 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well, unless I can compare costs, margins, and overheads, I can't say that anyone is or isn't ripping anyone off. I wouldn't know. Sorry.

Post# 196177 , Reply# 24   8/19/2012 at 12:39 (2,787 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, here's an example. Sebo tools - owners are notoriously either keeping the crevice tool or T shaped flat upholstery tool and they're common as muck but often missing off second hand machines sold on EBAY. 

 

Espares currently charge £11-25 PLUS £ 3-99 for standard UK mail delivery.

Sebo UK currently charge £7-96 and £3-99 for standard UK mail delivery. 

 

Ebay would be a lot cheaper if you're buying the second hand ones but I guess that's a good assumption to make.

 

Other examples: Sebo charge £10-96 for the X series standard microfilter before the delivery charge, Espares are charging £14-26 for the same product before their delivery charge.

 

I know companies have to make money but if you're on a tight budget, I wouldn't say espares is the be all and end all - and Hoover UK were one of the first companies to laud this company on the Hoover UK website for many years if you required spare parts and consumables. On the opposing side, the dust bags (H20) from Espares cost £6-99 for 5 in a box compared to John Lewis who are charging £9-99 for the same product!

 

But then, JL are knowingly over priced in most categories!

 

 

 

 


Post# 196197 , Reply# 25   8/19/2012 at 15:17 (2,787 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello Sebofan. I do understand the end figures. What I meant was, without knowing what E-spares are paying for stock, I would not be able to say whether they were charging too much. For all I know, they may be making less profit than someone who is charging less anyway.

Post# 197307 , Reply# 26   8/25/2012 at 11:01 (2,781 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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My point is, that espares is the default company that brands like Hoover keep pushing. Therefore, buyers are none the wiser until they start to shop around online and then realise. For many years Hoover UK just used Espares their generic shop online. I don't know if Hoover have since started to sell independently - they used to have another website under the name of "Hoover Direct," or something like that where consumers could buy discounted models & spares. 

 

Other brands like Bosch, Electrolux, Vax, Miele and Sebo have their own online services and shops; it's a pity that Hoover UK don't offer the same.





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