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Post# 194459   8/12/2012 at 17:03 (2,888 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I've just been browsing the Argos website and found a new range of Hoovers called the "Globe".

They are pricey but I'm sure the prices will drop soon enough.

It says it has "patented Globe technology", which is no doubt a type of cyclone which I HOPE is as good as or better than Dyson's technology, since that may give Hoover the nudge it needs to get back into the top spot of Vacuum Cleaners again...

One thing I am DELIGHTED about is the fact according to the Argos specifications list the Globe 3 (top of the line) has a 1100 Watt motor! Woohoo, finally, a low wattage Hoover in what ? 10 years ?

If anybody has more information I'll be glad to hear it.





Post# 194462 , Reply# 1   8/12/2012 at 17:22 (2,888 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Just checked Hoover.co.uk and it turns out it is the "twist and steer" ball that is patented, not any cyclone technology.

Still, looks like it could be a big seller for Hoover seeing as it would appeal to people who like the Dyson ball but don't want to pay over 300 for it and/or have a brand loyalty to Hoover as I do.


Post# 194471 , Reply# 2   8/12/2012 at 18:24 (2,888 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

Someone previously commented upon the Globe - it's a streamlined, lighter weight version of the Slalom.

Post# 194534 , Reply# 3   8/13/2012 at 04:58 (2,888 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Rolls is correct, this is an update version of the Slalom and a blatent rival to the Dyson ball cleaners. I think the cyclone design is different as these don't use the same "Airvolution" cyclone as the Slalom and Freedom, which was very similar to the original Dyson dual cyclone.

Not used the Globe, but the slalom wasn't a bad vac. Very flimsey though and not very well made. Quite bulky to use too.

Sorry Jamie, but I can't get excited by Hoover products anymore seeing as they're not really Hoover.


Post# 194535 , Reply# 4   8/13/2012 at 05:03 (2,888 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
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The Slalom was only 1200w.

 

I used the Dyson DC38 for the first time this weekend and that's only 1050w. I believe the DC40 is a similar motor wattage.


Post# 194544 , Reply# 5   8/13/2012 at 07:06 (2,887 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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JM did you fail to spot the other thread on here or could you not be arsed to look?

www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

Also, 1100watt, 1200watt, 1300 watt - they're all low wattage and the Hoover Dust Manager Evo GreenRay DME7133 has been out well before the Globe, also the Slalom had 1200 watts. 100 watt really doesn't make a difference when there's the 2100 watts that Hoover usually fit.


Post# 194571 , Reply# 6   8/13/2012 at 09:14 (2,887 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Manners cost nothing Ryan.

For the record, I had not seen that thread and I apologise for creating a superfluous thread which I give permission to be deleted by admin if they feel it is the course of action to take.


Post# 194576 , Reply# 7   8/13/2012 at 09:34 (2,887 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
which I give permission to be deleted by admin

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LOL, Jamie I think if the moderators wanted to delete it, they would do so regardless of permission given by the starter :P.

I do agree though that it is nice to see some lower wattage, high performing cleaners on the market. Just need to get Miele down from 2200w to the 1200w they use in the states and in Europe. Clearly, we're the only country obssessed with high motor wattage.


Post# 194581 , Reply# 8   8/13/2012 at 09:57 (2,887 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Very true Chris, customers seem to believe the motor watts is on the same scale as the AIR watts.

For example in the Tesco Direct catalogue the Electrolux Z4770a gets 132.5 Air Watts from a 2000W motor whilst the Panasonic MC-UL592WP47 gets a massive 300 Air Watts from only a 1400W motor.


Post# 194808 , Reply# 9   8/14/2012 at 10:45 (2,886 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
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Manners do cost nothing but you've been warned before about creating multiple threads. I may not be a moderator but I do take advantage of the search location bar in which you should in the future to avoid the same thread appearing later in the list. 

 

As for Miele - well, they still have that S6290 "Silence" with the 1200 watt motor. I suppose it will be a matter of time before more Eco versions will be released. Miele in Germany have an S8 with lower motors. One has to remember though that whilst customers want one thing, its the brands who stipulate what they can sell without models becoming less popular due to power and thus accordingly, when a low watt motor vacuum is priced the same as a high powered one, it can be confusing to the buyer.

 

I know that Sebo did have a K1 Eco out a few years ago in the UK but it didn't take off very well and buyers weren't interested in the lower power on a suction only vacuum cleaner, i.e. without a power nozzle on board. Sebo also sell a D1/2 Eco in Germany, but again its a matter of sales and what people want - and by now most buyers want power.

 


Post# 194827 , Reply# 10   8/14/2012 at 13:15 (2,886 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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2,273 post since December 2011


Post# 195525 , Reply# 11   8/16/2012 at 16:59 (2,884 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I see Hoover have gone and brought out another Pure Power, the PU2122. Not even listed as yet on Hoover UK website. 


Post# 195538 , Reply# 12   8/16/2012 at 17:10 (2,884 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh good Lord it looks like it has been made up of different parts; some red, some silver...

What a mess.


Post# 195562 , Reply# 13   8/16/2012 at 17:35 (2,884 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Thats the one on the argos website - its listed under the bagless uprights section for 100, and I dont think it is a bagless either. I wont be buying one, never liked the purepower - it was a step backwards from the turbopower range in terms of build quality. Might be interested in the globe models once prices come down though, they look quite promising, but I doubt they are as manouverable as the Dyson DC25, DC40 & 41 which I'd say they are aimed at competing with.

Post# 195579 , Reply# 14   8/16/2012 at 17:57 (2,884 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"2,273 post since December 2011" What do you mean Chris ?

Post# 195910 , Reply# 15   8/17/2012 at 20:42 (2,883 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Steve - based on the fact that the new Globe swivels, it is probably aimed at the swivelling upright rivals - bagged and bagless.  I had the previous Slalom model and it was nimble enough though could also be heavy depending on the daft rotary suction outlet dial located on the base. The Purepower PU2122 ia also being listed on www.very.co.uk..., a website that has been mentioned on here before for new machines like new Vax uprights that have yet to appear on the UK home site. Seems like its a site that Hoover and vac fans in general should check out if they are into contemporary machines/new launches.


Post# 196812 , Reply# 16   8/23/2012 at 03:25 (2,878 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        
Globe now Half Price

The base model globe is currently half price at Argos, surprise surprise.

I can't believe Hoover sell many models at the full price, especially as you can get a decent Sebo or Miele for the price some Hoovers sell for.

When I had the collecting bug in the 80's & 90's, the price of vacuum cleaners did not fluctuate as they do now. Vax and Hoover models seem to go up and down like a whores drawers. Why don't retailers/manufacturers price them fairly to begin with instead of pricing them high to start with and then knocking them down to "half price" so the consumer thinks they are getting a bargain when in fact they're just paying the correct price.

Not all manufacturers do this, I haven't had many bargains when I've bought Sebo and Miele vacs, apart from the last Next sale when I got a Sebo Felix Rosso for 135 and a Sebo D2 Total for 140. These were half price but Next prices were at the top end and I know that other retailers had them for less at full price, but they were still cheaper than I found them anywhere else.

It's like anything, buy it when they're first released and you pay a premium, wait a few weeks and prices will fall. I rarely buy a dvd or blu ray when it's released as I know it will be reduced in the near future. I will make an exception with season 3 of Modern Family though, as I have been eagerly awaiting this release as I have almost worn out seasons 1 and 2.


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Post# 196837 , Reply# 17   8/23/2012 at 07:29 (2,877 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Vax and Hoover models seem to go up and down like a whores drawers" I'll admit that made me chuckle.

It is very true though, the Turbo Power was originally on sale for 249.99 if I remember correctly and hey what do you know within a few months it was down to 129.99.

I don't know what is wrong with putting it in for a low price to begin with. I know WHY they do it; so the customers will think "wow, what a saving!" when the price is dropped, but it really doesn't appeal to me what so ever.

Argos never seem to do such things with Numatic, they only go up and down by about 20 on and off sales.

In my opinion it just makes shops look amateur by hiking prices way up high then dropping them low.

I think things were much better when manufacturers could control the retail prices rather than the retailers being able to turn the knobs, so to speak.


Post# 196860 , Reply# 18   8/23/2012 at 08:32 (2,877 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Argos never seem to do such things with Numatic

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On the subject, I've noticed Argos is one of the most expensive places to buy Numatic cleaners. My sister got a Hetty not so long back - it was 109 in Argos. I told her to shop elsewhere and get a better deal - ended up picking it up for 89.99 in Homebase.


Post# 196861 , Reply# 19   8/23/2012 at 08:34 (2,877 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes, I've noticed they sell them cheaply, probably because the people visiting places like Homebase would need an industrial cleaner for cleaning up after the DIY they would be doing.

Post# 196871 , Reply# 20   8/23/2012 at 09:37 (2,877 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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well, not necessarily. Homebase is owned by the Home Retail Group, which also owns Argos. They sell a lot of furniture and housewares as well as DIY materials. Last time I was in there, they had a whole range of vacs


Post# 196873 , Reply# 21   8/23/2012 at 09:40 (2,877 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Wow, that IS contradictory don't you think ?

Argos selling Henry for 109.99 and a company OWNED BY Argos selling them much cheaper ?

Are they competing with themselves ?


Post# 196874 , Reply# 22   8/23/2012 at 09:41 (2,877 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Sorry, not owned by Argos, owned by the person who owns Argos. Same idea though.

Post# 196930 , Reply# 23   8/23/2012 at 17:52 (2,877 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Hoover.co.uk

I see that the Hoover website tells lies.

The Purepower models in blue and also in red, purport to have a bag check indicator in the "Features / Benefits" list. Not according to the magnified zoom function, they don't.

The blue model is described as "microfilter filtration". According to the zoom function, it is actually HEPA.

Oh dear, they never seem to learn, do they? I wonder who doesn't check copy properly?


Post# 196950 , Reply# 24   8/23/2012 at 19:12 (2,877 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
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Hoover.co.uk seldom check their listings and yet they use reevoo.com to support their products, never checking sometimes that the majority of the reviews for some of the models advertised receive poor ratings. Sadly Hoover UK website is nothing short of shocking for mistakes, and tells a lot to the interested consumer who is about to buy one of their products. 

 

Many years ago yours truly worked for Comet and then John Lewis as a merchant product buyer. I did the job quite well but then I discovered as to WHY franchises advertise the machines so highly.

 

Folks, they do so because each company like JL, Comet et al buy the products direct from the manufacturer, usually at elevated prices and not before any discounts. As soon as the first stock of products are sold, the companies then compete with one another on pricing to attract buyers. 

 

That is the reason to why prices fall and rise - one only needs to look at the Vax website and www.very.co.uk... to see the changing prices before looking at the high street names like Comet, Currys, JL, House of Fraser's, Argos etc. 

 

Some franchises are also fed up with price comparisons where the consumer will haggle over pricing to get the lowest deal. This is why, effectively John Lewis got fed up with buyers demanding cheaper prices for the Sebo X4 Extra - one of JL's best sellers for upright vacuums. Thus, why the Sebo X4 Excel exists - it is an exclusive model that is only available from John Lewis. 


Post# 196953 , Reply# 25   8/23/2012 at 19:19 (2,877 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Hoover Purepower Greenray upright

I see that this energy saving upright has disappeared. The Freedom Greenray is still there, though.

The parts are probably reused in the new silver and red model mentioned above.


Post# 196954 , Reply# 26   8/23/2012 at 19:40 (2,877 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"The parts are probably reused in the new silver and red

Looking at the Argos site for the new silver and red Purepower model, the zoom magnifier reveals a green extension tube tool holder! So I think I have answered myself. The "Greenray" frugal model seems to have been discarded, and the parts reused in the new energy-guzzling model.

The silly fools should fit a variable power control, then they could advertise it as eco-friendly; in the process also making the machine more user friendly (who on Earth needs full power when hoovering curtains?). Reduced suction would also reduce the violent pull-back when cleaning stairs.


Post# 197004 , Reply# 27   8/24/2012 at 02:57 (2,877 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes, but when do Hoover ever listen? There isn't a conventional upright on the market bar the Miele S7 that has a variable suction control. That would be too hard for Hoover to do, otherwise they'd have done it by now. I miss the bag fill indicator light that the original Pure Power models had - Hoover just keep blanking off the indicator plate on all of their PP uprights now, and it looks horrendously cheap. 

 

Im still keeping my beady eye on the look out for the new Hoover Telios Plus. It is already on the continent but the UK don't seem to have that machine, for the moment.


Post# 198276 , Reply# 28   8/30/2012 at 18:20 (2,870 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Woohoo, sure enough Currys have got the new Hoover Telios in stock. Shame it has a 2300 watt motor! That's more than the Sebo K1 or Miele S6 or S8! However it only costs £90 for the moment.

 

Shame it also has a 3.2 litre dust bag and a decibel rating of 77.

 

 


Post# 198279 , Reply# 29   8/30/2012 at 18:24 (2,870 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
2300 Watt?

The legend on the cleaner in the photo says 2400W!!!

Post# 198510 , Reply# 30   9/1/2012 at 07:12 (2,868 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I used the wrong photo lol. Well spotted! There is a 2300 watt version too lol. But still, Hoover is obviously not caring for the environment by making it have a 2400 watt motor, higher than Miele. Still, at least some of their uprights have lower power output.

Post# 198511 , Reply# 31   9/1/2012 at 07:20 (2,868 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Just seen there are adverts screening on eBay about the new Globe saying "do the Hoover manoeuvre".

Post# 198513 , Reply# 32   9/1/2012 at 07:32 (2,868 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The videos are everywhere - clearly Hoover have done their homework well to include all sellers of this product to have the video shown - trouble is, if you have owned a Slalom already (which i had) the experience is very familiar. It is a pity that the floor head can't slide under that very precious looking glass table they show in the video though.

Post# 198519 , Reply# 33   9/1/2012 at 07:45 (2,868 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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True, BUT, at least it gets my approval in terms of being low wattage.

I may buy one some time.

It is good to see Hoover advertising a Vacuum Cleaner which has low watts rather than taking the easy route and advertising something like the 1600W Turbo Power or 2200W Dust Manager et al, to use your phrase.


Post# 198623 , Reply# 34   9/1/2012 at 16:32 (2,868 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good luck there. I just looked at the Globe online - it may well be low wattage but it has a 85 dbl rating - no thanks - that has to be the highest Ive ever seen in a long time.


Post# 198624 , Reply# 35   9/1/2012 at 16:48 (2,868 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ryan, surely that cannot be!?

Well, suffice to say I think I'll change my plans!


Post# 198634 , Reply# 36   9/1/2012 at 19:45 (2,868 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sadly its the same with a lot of products these days - I found that with my Miele S6 Ecoline. It has a 1200 watt motor compared to the standard 2000 watt models - and it was a higher priced offering than the basic blue one Miele sell - plus the Ecoline is noisier. Sadly not all low watt vacuums are the same though, but it seems that most mass brands are elevating the price on low power - when there was a time when the opposite was much cheaper back in the day.


Post# 198674 , Reply# 37   9/2/2012 at 07:03 (2,867 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Noise

I don't understand how they can make a 1200 Watt machine noisier than a 2000W!

We only have to look to the Hoovers and Electrolux cylinder machines of the 1980s, to see that 1000W cleaners could be very quiet indeed (Hoover Sensotronic from 1982, Hoover Alpina from the 1990s). So it must be to do with a reduction in sound insulation, a single wall structure only (Sensotronic had double wall), and lack of soft motor mounts.

The EU should clamp down on the noise generated by machines. There is no excuse. The manufacturers could use a little more reticulated foam diffuser between the motor exhaust and the final filter.


Post# 198678 , Reply# 38   9/2/2012 at 08:21 (2,867 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well if the EU are going to do that with machines, it should include hair dryers. For those who moan about high watts in a vacuum cleaner, the latest hairdryers on the market are 2200 watt and rising - how can that be safe on your ears??


Post# 199063 , Reply# 39   9/4/2012 at 06:03 (2,865 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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If the Greenray Purepower has disappeared, then it could well be out of stock. But then again, it could be a sign that the range is finally on its way out. I mean, just how far will Hoover go to putting more power into their bagged uprights? The PU2122 is just another coloured version from the blue PU2121 and red PU2110 - all of which have 2100 watts. I notice Argos have also dropped £10 off the silver PU2122 to £79-99, so time will tell! 

 

 


Post# 199294 , Reply# 40   9/5/2012 at 12:09 (2,864 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        

Hi Ryan,

Hoover is about to release another version of Pure Power and Dust Managers with a rehashed AutoSense they call Intellisense they have it on the TOL cylinder Pure Power model in Europe.

Trouble is the user can't adjust the power, it has the same boost future the old AutoSense had that increases power for 10 seconds....

They have to retire the PP and DM soon they have been going for 10+ years now...

Mark


Post# 199299 , Reply# 41   9/5/2012 at 12:15 (2,864 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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RETIRE THE PUREPOWER!? Fan-bloody-tastic! I can't wait to see the latest bagged upright they come out with, even though I will probably be crushed when it is another piece of dust.

I believe Hoover have already used the Intellisense here on a Hoover cylinder model but the fact there is no Boost button really is a let down. I'm not sure what you mean about the Autosense Hoovers having a 10-second boost, they didn't, or at least the majority of them didn't - you press the Boost button and it revs the motor up to maximum wattage until you press it again, or in the later Turbopower 3's case, until you turn it off then it resets.

Even without a Boost button though, it will still be an improvement having a computerised wattage control again for the first time on a UK Hoover upright since the last Turbopowers/first Purepowers.


Post# 199348 , Reply# 42   9/5/2012 at 13:51 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

What he means is that if the cleaner detected any dirt, then the amber light would come on and the motor would up step for 10 secs before going back down itself to the green light, or if more dirt is sensed, then the yellow light stays on for a further 10 secs until no more dirt is sensed. The manual boost is the button that lights up the red light on the turbopower autosense models.

Post# 199352 , Reply# 43   9/5/2012 at 13:59 (2,864 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thank you for that info Mark - Steve - well said & a spot on analysis.

 

I owned a U2464 Autosense many moons ago and like a few other members on here, thought that the Hoover was the best thing since sliced bread - I soon learnt however, after collecting other brands and models that the Hoover TP2 Autosense just didn't make any sense at all where the power adjustment was concerned. I was never one to wholly trust in my microwave's auto cook programs and the same applied to the Autosense feature on the TP2 - I was annoyed that I couldn't program the machine to stay in the low power all the time, but rather having to put up with the medium and high motor modes which resulted in putting up with the extra noise. 


Post# 199358 , Reply# 44   9/5/2012 at 14:09 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The TP autosense is another cleaner I used to own myself, and wish I still had it, as it was the TP3 with stair hose - the one with the yellow rubber tag to secure the hose to the base of the machine. It had the Permabag as well, and I really loved it - especially the autosense feature - I agree, it was always jumping from low to medium power, but as gadget lover, I liked that - seeing the lights change colour. I suppose I like the Sebo X4 for the same reason, the automatic height adjuster and warning lights for brush wear/bag full.

I will not be buying the Hoover globe when I saw it only has a very low air wattage for its 1100W power consumption, its just not going to have much oomph at only 120AW. My Dyson DC07 has 280AW in comparison and its only a 1400W motor, so that means the Globe is not very efficient.


Post# 199394 , Reply# 45   9/5/2012 at 15:47 (2,864 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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120AW eh ?

That is poor.

My Turbopower 2 and 1000 both have 180AW I believe for LESS watts.

That's bagless for ya!


Post# 199455 , Reply# 46   9/5/2012 at 17:52 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I was very surprised when I read the specifications on the Argos website for the Hoover Globe - I thought it had to be a mistake - only 120AW, so I looked at the Hoover website and they say its 120AW as well, so thats very poor for an 1100W motor. OK, Airwatts arent everything, but they are important in deciding a cleaner's effeciency, ie 280AW for 1400W consumed is 0.2 AW per Watt of power consumed. 120AW for 1100W consumed is only 0.1 AW per Watt. So the Hoover Globe is only half as efficient as the Dyson DC07, and the DC07 is a 11 year old design.
I would love to know what the air wattage of my Ranger is for its 400 Watts of input power. Even if it was only 100AW then thats 0.25AW per Watt, so its more efficient than the Dyson, and I'm sure the Ranger has a performance better than just 100AW, so a 37 year old dirty fan cleaner is more effient than a brand new 2012 design - surely not?


Post# 199466 , Reply# 47   9/5/2012 at 18:49 (2,864 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I don't trust air watts at all, other than perhaps with Dyson vacuums as my own experience with them does maintain suction all of the time even when the dust bin is bursting at the seams. As you know Dyson suction design and the filters are different from the twin filters that even Hoover's Airvolution, Vax Mach Air etc all now have, even if they are all qualifying for "no loss of suction." Unless you buy yourself an air watt metre, you'll never get the true figure all of the time - not when filters keep clogging continually in use. 

 

Argos tend to get information wrong - are they still showing the Miele S6 exclusive white bagged cylinder vacuum nestled in with the bagged uprights? They seem to be unable to place that vacuum in the right section. Also I just took a screen shot of the Globe info from Currys, the noise level I mentioned in an earlier thread to Jamie, is really quite shocking.


Post# 199470 , Reply# 48   9/5/2012 at 19:03 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

so Currys reckon its 200AW, the Hoover website say its 120AW, so who is right?

I agree with you about Argos placing the wrong items in the wrong sections, and I have had it out with them about listing the wrong Miele bags for the miele canister cleaners, but they dont change the info though - cant understand why they dont.

Hoover website on the Globe - says its 120AW


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Post# 199476 , Reply# 49   9/5/2012 at 19:20 (2,864 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Any old Hoof for Hoover's UK website.

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Yes but Hoover UK are notorious for mistakes as well - see Rolls_Rapide's posting regarding the Purepower (post number 23 on this thread) where bag indicators shown in the specs list can't be found when he used the magnifier zoom function on the actual model photo. Also my own experience of Hoover UK's info has been misleading in the past to say the least. Half the time the home company don't tell the website admin the right information. I once wrote to Hoover UK to moan about their lack of precise info on their site and they passed off their excuse that the UK website isn't actually run by Hoover UK but by an independent company who are paid by Hoover to run the site.. 

 

Nice of Hoover UK to actually send me a letter of reply though. I wrote an online review about Hoover UK many years ago. See link. 



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Post# 199478 , Reply# 50   9/5/2012 at 19:27 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Thats the problem nowadays - pass the buck attitude. Hoover UK went down the pan when Candy bought them, and its only in the last couple of years they are just starting to produce half decent models again - starting with the Freedom Airvolution using multi-cyclonic seperation, and the Slalom using the same technology. The Dustmanager and purepower is crap, sorry, but they are dire, and the Peformer and "the one" models were ever more dire.

Post# 199488 , Reply# 51   9/5/2012 at 19:38 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I think the last of the truly good Hoovers was the Turbopower 3, but the build quality started to decline as early as 1983, as I dont think the turbopower 1 was a patch on the build quality of the Seniors and Juniors it eventually replaced. The turbopower1 was Hoover's first true plastivac, but they did improve it with the introdustion of the Turbopower 1000 clean fan system - it was better build quality. Then in 2000 ish when the Purepower replaced the turbopower, quality really suffered - just as Dyson was becoming the market leader! It was almost as if Hoover had given up!

Post# 199489 , Reply# 52   9/5/2012 at 19:42 (2,864 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh don't apologise - I completely agree with you.

 

The Purepower could have been improved though - I think Hoover had run out of funding by the time Candy took over - or that Candy were too stingy in supplying funds for floorcare in general- and more interested in improving their larger appliance division. My parents had a 12 year old Candy dishwasher and swore by it, before buying Bosch, but our neighbour had a hellish time with Candy washing machines, often leaking or drive belt problems. 

 

I liked the original Purepower models with the bag fill neon indicator, even though they were far more noisier than the TP2/3's. I can remember using a yellow 1300 watt once at friends and thinking that my other Turbopower 2 was so much better (I had the 900 "Special" yellow one with the blanked off neon LED panel)  If it wasn't for the Purepower, there would have been no Vortex, Cyclean, Hurricane mk1 or whatever else Hoover tarted up and called it bagless, based on the PP. 

 

The One actually got slated by Which initially which is why Hoover were forced to recall the model at numerous times. After Hoover brought out a new-improved model, I think Which found little difference.

 

The minor false-advertising Hoover personally make me think twice about was the short-excitement fiasco Hoover UK created when they promised they were bringing the Hoover Junior back. I was so excited at the time but then shortly dismayed to realise the Junior was nothing more than Hoover's European Athyss stick vac - and two of the Junior stick vacs only lasted a short time with me, with breakages to the main carry handle and seams buckling on the body. It was also quite a noisy stick vac for all that it had 1200 watts and so I realised it was time to finally move on from my Hoover purchases. The only thing I have left from one of my stick vacs is the hopeless suction floor head - but it seemed to last longer than the machines they came with! Yes, it was a right pain in the Athyss!

 

 


Post# 199493 , Reply# 53   9/5/2012 at 19:59 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Sadly the times when Hoover produced the best cleaners have long gone, and my recent purchase of an old 1975 Ranger made me see why Hoovers of old were so popular and well regarded - its built like a tank - mostly metal with the exception on the hood, and built to last - the brushroll is a thing of great engineering and the motor is robust and easy to change the brushes when needed.
I'm going to a Junior eventually, but it will be a 70's made one, as I would like to own vacuums from all the decades I've lived in. Older vacs than 1970 are well made, but dont have that special feel to me as I wasnt around in those days. The vacs that I remember as a child mean the most to me. I remember being very taken by the 80's sensotronic range with all the lights and gadgetry, and its the decade I dont yet have any cleaners from. I will get a Turbopower 1 but it will have to be in good nick and be a range topper - I dont like the Turbopwer 1 junior, nor the ones without the headlight.
I want a 90's TP as well but its gotta have the autosense and the bag full inicator, which the later ones seem to have omitted - pennypinching again!


Post# 199496 , Reply# 54   9/5/2012 at 20:15 (2,864 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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After I sold my Senior and Powerplus (I actually preferred the Senior as it was simpler and felt easier to handle due to the non-covered sides like the Ranger and Powerplus hoods) I only dabbled with a few old vintage Hoover uprights before changing over to Sebo vacuums and other brands. I have a Junior U1104 and a Junior Deluxe U2002 and that's about it now - I'm happy with what I have going down memory lane and the models I've had have certainly been long lasting. I just wish Hoover could bring out a decent bagged upright range that is better than the Purepower - but I have a strong feeling that the UK company may just not bother and end up doing cylinder vacs with bags as a speciality as Vax UK have done. Yes it would be sad to see Hoover choose this route, but then its been sadder just to watch a great company that Hoover were go the way they've become, already.


Post# 199503 , Reply# 55   9/5/2012 at 20:51 (2,864 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Bagged uprights are not popular nowadays, as everyone wants a bagless - look at Argos, they have only 5 bagged uprights but 40 odd bagless ones. Bagless is in vogue at present with the uprights so I would imagine Hoover will not produce anything new in the bagged department, as there would be no profit in doing it.
Its interesting though that the quality brands like Sebo and Miele dont do bagless cleaners - I wonder why that is?
Why should it be so that more canister models use bags than uprights?


Post# 199509 , Reply# 56   9/5/2012 at 21:44 (2,864 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

The answer to that is that Miele and Sebo have done their homework and discovered that bags are a more convenient and hygienic way of disposing of dust.

Cylinders are more popular in Europe, and the UK has moved to laminated abominations for flooring.

However, several people I have spoken to detest laminated flooring.

A former colleague said that bagless cleaners are too fiddly to clean; that it was easier "to chuck the bag", she said. I know exactly what she means. My next machine will be a bagged upright.


Post# 199535 , Reply# 57   9/6/2012 at 05:11 (2,864 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
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Steve

I understand your desire for TOL models with lots of bells & whistles, but if you dont mind a bagged cleaner you could do a great deal worse than a LATE model Turbopower Junior - I got one a while back for the massive sum of a whole 1.20 - and I was quite staggered by the performace, these late models apparently had an uprated motor which was also fitted to other models. Fair enough it might not have the build quality of earlier Hoovers (its not THAT bad though) but it has brilliant suction (possibly better than the Seniors), the benefit of the improved brushroll and is appreciably lighter to use.

Al


Post# 199536 , Reply# 58   9/6/2012 at 05:14 (2,864 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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85DB!? Isn't that right on the limit for damaging your ears ?

It is very sad to look at Hoover these days and see what they are throwing out of the factories opposed to what they used to assemble BY HAND and to a HIGH STANDARD.

Why are Miele and Sebo still making bagged and nothing else ?

Because they have found their place in the market - a place for people who have some sense and know that bags are better!

Here is my 1999 Turbopower 2, one of the last GOOD Hoovers before the quality started to deteriorate, from which it never recovered.


Post# 199541 , Reply# 59   9/6/2012 at 06:11 (2,863 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Keep in mind that Hoover really isn't Hoover anymore--Its TTI!!

Post# 199542 , Reply# 60   9/6/2012 at 06:28 (2,863 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Nope, it's Candy here, in America it is Techtronic Industries.

Post# 199557 , Reply# 61   9/6/2012 at 09:40 (2,863 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Quite right Jamie - Made by the same crap company that made the Grand O washing machine which had a tendency to explode their inner drums at maximum spin - wiping out the entire machine and most of the kitchen around it! Their build quality is lousy - although I did have an earlier Candy washer from the 90's and it wasnt too bad, but wouldnt touch Hoover or Candy washers now though with a 40 foot bargepole. LG washer for me I'm afraid gotta love the quietness of the direct drive.
Vacbear - I like bagged cleaners and do have several of them - I only dislike the turbopower junior because of its odd shape with very large foot area and no headlight. I dont mind the TP2 and 3 not having a headlight as they are very good looking cleaners, and very rugged as well - they also had other gizmos such as bag check light (well most of them did anyway) and the autosense which i love.
I have my eye on a TP1 on Ebay at the moment - in Manchester, we will have to see how that goes, as it has the tools with it too.


Post# 199567 , Reply# 62   9/6/2012 at 11:06 (2,863 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Just to clarify

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The TP Junior I am talking about is MUCH later, 1999 or later (I think it might be U1620 or something like that) - scroll down the thread on the link and you will see pictures of it. SeamusUK supplied some interesting information on the cleaner but I can't find that right now, but the motor is significantly higher wattage than on the earlier models and the suction is amazing

Al


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Post# 199573 , Reply# 63   9/6/2012 at 11:19 (2,863 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I've actually spotted a Turbopower Junior (soft bag) on eBay that I am keeping an eye on.

No bids as yet so I might put a bid in if it doesn't go higher than the start bid, though that is wishful thinking I know.


Post# 199574 , Reply# 64   9/6/2012 at 11:22 (2,863 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Just checked that thread Al and I have to say, what a gorgeous Junior!

I never knew Hoover still produced them in '99.

It is strange to think that when Dyson were making their super modern looking DC04 Hoover still had a soft bag available!

Amazing...


Post# 199593 , Reply# 65   9/6/2012 at 12:20 (2,863 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Al - that junior of yours - what does it say on the serial number plate about the manufacture date? its just that they stopped making the dirty fan TP models in the early 90's, and it amazes me to see a dirty fan Hoover from as late as 1999.

Jamie - I've seen that TP junior on Ebay, its not far from me, but looks very well worn - you'd be busy for hours cleaning that up! Long time to wait though its got 9 days left to run!


Post# 199604 , Reply# 66   9/6/2012 at 12:55 (2,863 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I wish I had enthusiasm for the TP Junior but of the three I had, the handle always snapped off before long right at the top before the metal rectangular spine - and yet my Junior U1104's never had that issue.

 

Miele and Sebo have always used bags because as Calum (Rolls_Rapide) quite rightly points out - the Germans have always preferred using bags for bagging the dirt as well as keeping an eye on the industry where cleanliness & optimum hygiene is required. Hence Sebo with their commercial products and Miele's lack of desire to go down the commercial route, but have a unique position in developing and producing medical cleaning equipment. It has only been Bosch in the last couple of years who decided to go bagless, first with their VX/Vax merged upright, the AVC1 (and later renamed VX series) but its good they still have a healthier, larger amount of bagged vacuums against their bagless models. 

 

 


Post# 199605 , Reply# 67   9/6/2012 at 13:00 (2,863 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I hope Bosch dont make a thing of Bagless, as the current canister model looks like nothing but high maintenance due to being single cyclonic - dont they ever learn that these type of cleaners are a waste of effort?

Post# 199611 , Reply# 68   9/6/2012 at 13:10 (2,863 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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They probably are a wasted effort - but this just proves my point that brands are just wanting to make extra money rather than design a product that benefits the buyer and who are we to argue? At least Bosch are giving buyers an alternative to their bagged vacuums for buyers who don't want bags.

 

I like Bosch products, but not all of them - what I do like about Bosch is that you used to be able to buy a TOL dishwasher bearing their name and being substantially cheaper than the comparatively same Siemens model that you'd pay a lot more money for just because it has a different finish and the brand name - an approach that John Lewis constantly do with their larger Electrolux derived appliances - they constantly promote their products being made in Germany as a way to cash in on other brands reliability record - its a pity then, that my old rented flat washer (a John Lewis washer) was made in China, regardless of the promise JL said at the time.


Post# 199613 , Reply# 69   9/6/2012 at 13:16 (2,863 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That Bosch is a clogging mess waiting to happen.

Post# 199614 , Reply# 70   9/6/2012 at 13:17 (2,863 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I dont think Bosch are as good now as they once were - I looked at the Bosch bagged canisters in Currys and thought they looked cheap and nasty, and they are cheaper now than ever, but its competition again at work.
I have a Bosch Excel slimline dishwasher, and in the 6 years I've had it its been perfect - never a problem. I bought an end of Line Siemens Z6 Power canister cleaner for 179 brand new, which is still in its box, as for some reason, Siemens have pulled out of the Vacuum market in the UK, and these models, well made as they are will become rare in the future - its rated at a whopping 2500W full power!
Most of their models are now Bosch branded, but I dont think the quality is as good.


Post# 199617 , Reply# 71   9/6/2012 at 13:24 (2,863 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I've got a Bosch SKT 5102 tabletop dishwasher which I absolutely love. It is really reliable, durable and performs brilliantly.

Post# 199660 , Reply# 72   9/6/2012 at 16:23 (2,863 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
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Its a bit too far buried to easily find at the moment but as I said in the thread, the instructions are dated 1999

Al


Post# 199686 , Reply# 73   9/6/2012 at 17:16 (2,863 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well the date on the instructions says nothing to be honest since they could have been re-printed prior to selling off lots of old Juniors, your one included which were made up to 10 years before perhaps.

If you manage to get the Serial Number at some point I'm sure you'll know what to do (first three numbers after the Model Number).


Post# 199691 , Reply# 74   9/6/2012 at 17:27 (2,863 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I must admit I found it amazing to think they would be producing the dirty fan model several years after the rest of the range were converted top clean fan models, but then, they carried on making the ford escort long after its replacement was launched (the focus) so sometimes illogical things do happen.

Post# 199731 , Reply# 75   9/6/2012 at 19:40 (2,863 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"Pure Power and Dust Managers with a rehashed AutoSense

Do you have any idea when they will go on sale?

Post# 199764 , Reply# 76   9/7/2012 at 03:13 (2,863 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

TTI -is TechTronic Industries-its often abbreviated here.You see TTI on Hoover,and Royal items and literature.Vac shops my way are refusing to stock the current Royal metal uprights until they can again be made in the US.The dealer will order it for you if you want one.Again--TTI was DUMB for discontinuing the Royal metal tanks and the Royal Prince metal hand vacuum.

Post# 199797 , Reply# 77   9/7/2012 at 10:36 (2,862 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hoover user manuals usually carry another date though, Jamie - to show the new info that has been added or a new reprint date and the original date. This info changed when Hoover put online user manuals for owners to download. 

 

Steve - I think Hoover had just produced dirty fan vacuums as an over supply and just continued to sell off what they had. It would have made more financial sense than to just sell off what they had against the clean fan vacs and this is more evident with the older Hoover brochures with the old heavy Sprint and Compact cylinder vacuums being sold alongside the more modern Sensotronic based bodies and others.





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