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Post# 191511   7/26/2012 at 13:32 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes, today I picked up a free Dyson. Me, a Dyson! I know...

Anyway, this is where it all started:

Yesterday night I saw an advert in Gumtree for "lots of stuff free". The listing didn't say what was free, so I phoned the number and spoke to the man. I asked the obvious question - do you have any Vacuum Cleaners ?

The answer was initially "no", then he said "oh, wait, there is a Dyson". My heart sank to be honest, I was hoping he'd say an "old Hoover" but hey ho, it was free so why not.

I picked it up at noon today and was led into an out house where he showed me it. A Silver & Lime Dyson DC04 upright in reasonable condition. No brainer, I accepted and then mentioned I collect vacuums. After that he said he had another one too if I wanted it and showed me a half buried bagless Vax cylinder which had a hose but no tubes or tools (not a problem for me) so I accepted that too.

When I got the Dyson and Vax home I started about cleaning the bins and filters out.

If I were a typical teenager, this is where I'd insert "OMG" I believe.

They were CLOGGED with... Wait for it - Garden soil!

Who vacuums up soil ? Christ knows, but he did, in both the Dyson and Vax.

It took literally an hour to clean out the Dysons pre-motor filters but I got there in the end and put them out on the washing line to dry.

Same with the poor Vax, clogged with soil.

As for the exhaust filters, the Vax's went in the bin as it was just electrostatic and BLACK, while the Dysons was cleaned as it was also black but until I can buy another one I'll just make do with it. After cleaning in warm water it came up half decent actually. I'll still buy a whole filter set sometime though.

I replaced the Vax's exhaust filter with new cut to size electrostatic, but when I turned it on after re-assembly it went black again as I didn't realise the motor was full of soil which was blown out when turned on. Oh well, it hasn't clogged it, just blackened it, so I'm not going to throw it out for that. In future I'll know to run it without the filter first to clear out any dirt.

After doing that filthy task, I got to work cleaning the Dyson's body up. Still not very easy as it really was filthy.

I took the base plate off to find a belt fitted and it appears to have good tension so although I'll order a pack of new belts, I won't have to change it immediately. I cleaned the brush roll and the cavity it sits in, replaced the base plate (after cleaning it) and cleaned the rest of it with soapy water. No further description required I presume!

After that I gave it a going over with a yellow duster and furniture polish to reveal near flawless bodywork. It actually looks great... For a Dyson... :)

I did the same with the Vax and it came up like new as well.

Since the Vax's filters dried in no time I turned it on as aforementioned and it has GREAT suction. Haven't tested it out yet because the hose is still drying on the line, but I'm looking forward to doing so.

I turned the Dyson on very briefly before doing anything to it and it runs fine, but had no suction due to the clogged filters. Once the filters have dried (should be by tonight or tomorrow) I'll test it out and expect half decent performance. Though, it is a Dyson...

Umm... What else to say... Don't know really. I'll post some pictures I suppose.

A before picture of the Dyson, an after picture of it and an after picture of the Vax (didn't get a before picture, sorry).






Post# 191513 , Reply# 1   7/26/2012 at 13:34 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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After:

Post# 191515 , Reply# 2   7/26/2012 at 13:35 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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And the Vax 1800:

Post# 191517 , Reply# 3   7/26/2012 at 13:37 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh ruddy hell, got the before and after mixed up! The first Dyson picture is the after and the latter the before. I didn't make it more dirty! Ha ha.

Post# 191519 , Reply# 4   7/26/2012 at 13:41 (2,802 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

My goodness Jamie! I guess you are warming up to bagless vacs after all!Wink

Lucky for you, you got the dc04 without the brush control, which means easy belt changes.

Congradulations on your new dyson!

Scott


Post# 191522 , Reply# 5   7/26/2012 at 13:45 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I wouldn't say easy, I looked it up on the internet when I couldn't figure it out and turns out you have to put the belt around the brush roll, insert it, THEN stretch it over the motor pulley ? Is that correct ?

Sounds awfully hard to me, I normally put the belt over the motor pulley then stretch the brush roll into place, but you can't do that with the Dyson, it is impossible.


Post# 191523 , Reply# 6   7/26/2012 at 13:47 (2,802 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

But it is alot less dificult then taking apart a clutch.


Post# 191524 , Reply# 7   7/26/2012 at 13:57 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I haven't done it, but I assume so!

Post# 191525 , Reply# 8   7/26/2012 at 13:57 (2,802 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Please tell us what you think of your DC04 after you have used it for awhile. I was completely anti-Dyson for years until I bought one and used it in my own home. They are great everyday cleaners and easy to empty.

Post# 191528 , Reply# 9   7/26/2012 at 14:00 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I will do. It seems good for "running the hoover over" but for deep cleaning, I doubt it will be any good.

Still, I shall try it out in every environment I can create and give you a thorough explanation as to why I am, or am not a convert.


Post# 191531 , Reply# 10   7/26/2012 at 14:04 (2,802 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Jamie, you are spot on, that is how I feel about them as I use my dysons ( among others ) as daily vacs.

Scott


Post# 191534 , Reply# 11   7/26/2012 at 14:12 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I forgot to mention that I will need to buy a replacement hose for the Dyson soon as it has ripped in various places.

Gaffer tape will hold it temporarily but I can get a replacement cheaply from eBay so I'll do that soon, as well as buying new filters.


Post# 191537 , Reply# 12   7/26/2012 at 14:32 (2,802 days old) by szymonrules (Philadelphia, PA )        
So....

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What's your take on Dyson? Also, WOW who does that to a vacuum?! No matter what vacuum it is it doesn't deserve that!

Post# 191541 , Reply# 13   7/26/2012 at 14:45 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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No idea yet, haven't used it, the hose is still drying. I'll test it out tomorrow.

Well lets just say I may hate Dyson, but I'd never vacuum up soil with it, or any vacuum for that matter.


Post# 191545 , Reply# 14   7/26/2012 at 15:06 (2,802 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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There we go, within the last half an hour I completed the Dyson's restoration.

The hose dried over the radiator so I patched up the three rips with gaffer tape and installed it.

I could test it out tonight but I'll be patient and let it sit overnight just to be sure it is 100% dry in the bin etc...


Post# 191649 , Reply# 15   7/27/2012 at 07:56 (2,801 days old) by szymonrules (Philadelphia, PA )        
I'll be...

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awaiting the results of the test!

Post# 191656 , Reply# 16   7/27/2012 at 09:18 (2,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I used it today and I'm not impressed or unimpressed to be honest.

It picks up surface dirt very well and has great hose suction but you can tell when pushing and pulling it along the carpet it isn't beating it or deep cleaning what so ever.

Put it this way, it would be great as a daily "run the hoover over" vacuum, but rubbish for deep cleaning.

I'm happy with it though, didn't cost me anything except some hard work cleaning it up.

Haven't used the Vax Performance yet though, will do that later or tomorrow and report back with the results of that test.


Post# 191661 , Reply# 17   7/27/2012 at 09:25 (2,801 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Well Jamie, I am glad you are satisfied with your new dyson.
Do you have the tools for it?
By the way, some later dyson models are better at cleaning carpets.
Scott


Post# 191662 , Reply# 18   7/27/2012 at 09:28 (2,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That is what is annoying me, I don't have the tools! I can buy them from eBay but don't have the money just now.

Post# 191674 , Reply# 19   7/27/2012 at 10:24 (2,801 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Jamie

I am very fond of this particular model as It was the first dyson I owned.While working in Engineering at a well known vacuum company I came across my first dyson, It was the lime green one and had been imported as a sample. Dysons were not available in SA at the time. after it was checked out it was tossed to one side with all the other samples so I asked if I could have it and took it home.

This particular model has a very aggressive brush roll. some times after many years the bristles loose their rigidity, I would fit a new brush roll and belt and then try it.
This model is also Unique in that out of all the dc04's it has a Unique back hose, a ametek motor and was assembled in Italy


Post# 191675 , Reply# 20   7/27/2012 at 10:30 (2,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes the bristles do seem very firm but it still doesn't beat the carpet as well as I'd like.

Oh well, if I want beating, I can use my Hoovers I guess.

I'll probably use the Dyson as a daily driver and use one of my bagged units for the Sunday thorough deep clean.

That way I'm not putting excess wear and tare on my vintage units and my carpets will get a good enough clean to keep them decent during the week.


Post# 191677 , Reply# 21   7/27/2012 at 10:49 (2,801 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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My one has been through hell, many many building alterations including going double story, Its been loaned out to friends and family ( when we got newer models) it did duty in our factory offices for 2 years, and finally it now resides in our Guest Cottage.

Post# 191681 , Reply# 22   7/27/2012 at 11:10 (2,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Nice Dysons Gareth!

Wow... Did I just say that ?

Glazing over that, following on from what I said a while ago in another thread about Dyson solving problems that don't exist (in reference to "The Ball" and "Articulated Steering") that appears to be true because my DC04 is very easy to manoeuvre even without a ball.


Post# 191690 , Reply# 23   7/27/2012 at 12:00 (2,801 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Jamie

I got an easy way i found out my self to change a belt on a dyson clutchless easily!
Take out belt, internal hose, brush, belt, and all that obviously
Take the floating head where the brush sits in thke that off seperate from the cleaner head just unclips off

You should just the cleaner head now, put the belt on the motor and then put the belt through the floating head (dont put the floating green bit on yet :P) after you put the belt through, puyt the brushbar in, and now you can put the floating head on, that is easy :) then put on the internal hose and soleplate and test


Post# 191695 , Reply# 24   7/27/2012 at 13:22 (2,801 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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OR you can take off the soul plate, remove the brush put the new belt on then slip it over the motor shaft. Much easier


Post# 191696 , Reply# 25   7/27/2012 at 13:28 (2,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That's what is says to do Gareth...

Or were you being sarcastic ?


Post# 191698 , Reply# 26   7/27/2012 at 13:43 (2,801 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Not Sarcastic, Just can't understand why you would go through that whole proses just to change a belt that's as easy as pie to do.

Post# 191702 , Reply# 27   7/27/2012 at 14:00 (2,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I just imagined it being quite fiddly trying to stretch the belt over the motor pulley as it is a tight space.

Post# 192786 , Reply# 28   8/2/2012 at 08:58 (2,795 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Just thought I'd let you guys know I got a reply from Dyson (did I say I emailed them asking for a year or manufacture ?) a couple of days ago and they informed me my DC04 was manufactured on the 19th of February 2001. I didn't know they could be so specific!

Their customer service is amazing I must say, even if their cleaners aren't.


Post# 192837 , Reply# 29   8/2/2012 at 15:34 (2,795 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Nat et al - you'll find Jamie's review on Ciao.co.uk regarding the DC04 here:

 

 



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Post# 192848 , Reply# 30   8/2/2012 at 16:04 (2,795 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I'm famous!

Post# 192852 , Reply# 31   8/2/2012 at 16:27 (2,795 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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No it will just save you the bother of repeating yourself.


Post# 192876 , Reply# 32   8/2/2012 at 19:56 (2,795 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

I'm sure that I'm the only one who cares, but what about the vax? How is it doing?

Thanks

Scott


Post# 192961 , Reply# 33   8/3/2012 at 09:46 (2,794 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Have you used the Vax yet, Jamie? I'm interested to know how you find it in comparison to the Dyson?


Post# 192962 , Reply# 34   8/3/2012 at 09:59 (2,794 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Haven't used it yet because the hose end smells of, um... Excrement!

I'm going to bleach it today then I'll test it out and let you know.


Post# 192964 , Reply# 35   8/3/2012 at 10:17 (2,794 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Oh yikes! I know what you mean! Bleach away my friend.

Scott


Post# 192977 , Reply# 36   8/3/2012 at 11:11 (2,794 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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The hose is sitting in a bath full of water with bleach in it just now.

Post# 193019 , Reply# 37   8/3/2012 at 13:05 (2,794 days old) by Scaniabebe ()        

So, how's the Vax's Hose doing? Not smelling of s*** anymore, I hope!

Post# 193026 , Reply# 38   8/3/2012 at 13:15 (2,794 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Nope, smelling nice and fresh out on the washing line drying.

All drying well I'll be able to test it out tomorrow.


Post# 193035 , Reply# 39   8/3/2012 at 13:38 (2,794 days old) by Scaniabebe ()        

Good! Do report back to us!:)

Post# 193059 , Reply# 40   8/3/2012 at 14:24 (2,794 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Jamie

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Just to let you know I have loads of DC04 parts so if you ever need anything let me know, most things free/cheap :)

Post# 193068 , Reply# 41   8/3/2012 at 14:52 (2,794 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Thank you Jacob, I'll keep you in mind :)

Post# 193181 , Reply# 42   8/4/2012 at 08:04 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well, just half an hour ago I used the 2012 Vax Performance 1800 Watts.

Lets just say, it sucked.

No, I mean literally! The suction is absolutely astonishing, not just for a bagless, but for a vacuum as a whole.

I used it for the hard flooring and the shag rug. During both of those tasks it performed brilliantly and followed me wherever I went without having to really tug at the hose as you do with some cylinders.

At times the floor tool stuck to the rug and would barely lift off, that is how much suction it has.

Compared to my other 1800W bagless cylinder, the 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 Twin Bin, it has much more suction. Perhaps that is because all the suction is centred on one cyclone instead of two as in the Twin Bin, but whatever it is, it is great... For a bagless...

In comparison to the Dyson, the suction is about double and I'm NOT just saying that because I dislike Dyson, it is the 100% wholehearted truth.

The only thing it lacks is variable power, which would be a real asset to the Vax, but hey ho, it is cheap and cheerful and does what it should, so I'm pleased.

Doesn't mean to say I'm a bagless convert at all, but I can appreciate a bit of both.


Post# 193184 , Reply# 43   8/4/2012 at 08:20 (2,793 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Well, I'll say you got a good deal then. How dirty was the filter after use?

Also if you ever need spares, vax does have them.

Scott



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Post# 193185 , Reply# 44   8/4/2012 at 08:30 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I sure did, I checked eBay afterwords and the same Vax Performance C91 models are listed as Buy It Now for 60-70. That is a damn good deal since I got mine to brand new condition after a clean up. Plus I discovered it has a HEPA pre-motor filter, not that I see that sort of thing as a massive plus, considering I see a dirty fan as good enough filtration!

The Dyson DC04 is also listed for the same price range, so technically I got 120 of vacuum cleaners for the 10 I gave the man as a goodwill gesture. If I was into buying and selling I'd be in for a profit.

I haven't checked the filter but since I gave it a good thorough clean I'm sure it won't be covered in dirt again, but I'll check sometime.


Post# 193234 , Reply# 45   8/4/2012 at 15:34 (2,793 days old) by Scaniabebe ()        

Hmm, seems like he's fallen in love with his new Vax. Most likely, making his good old friend, Henry redundent due to a broken floor tool!:(

Yeah, don't get rid of the Henry, he'll always be there, when every other vac bites the fluff!;)


Post# 193235 , Reply# 46   8/4/2012 at 15:38 (2,793 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh don't worry, I prefer Henry ten times over, but due to the damn floor tool remnant being stuck onto the tube (as I've mentioned in our conversations) I'll need new tubes, which I can't afford right now.


Post# 193274 , Reply# 47   8/4/2012 at 19:17 (2,793 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, you could just do the DC04 up and sell it on Gumtree.


Post# 193327 , Reply# 48   8/5/2012 at 06:50 (2,792 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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But then Ryan, I wouldn't have a vacuum to hit when I was angry! Ha ha.

Post# 193332 , Reply# 49   8/5/2012 at 07:47 (2,792 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Oh! But Jamie, it's imature to hit a vacuum!Wink

Also, what happened to your henry?

Scott


Post# 193335 , Reply# 50   8/5/2012 at 08:17 (2,792 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I believe you didn't read the part that said it was a Dyson I'd be hitting!

As for Henry, the floor tool was very worn out so I tried to get it off to find it was stuck solid. I managed to get the actual floor head off, but the part that slots into the tube remained. No matter how I try I cannot get that part off.

I've tried WD-40 and 3-In-1 oil but to no avail.

ARGH!


Post# 193342 , Reply# 51   8/5/2012 at 09:06 (2,792 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Something similar happened to me a few years ago on our miele red star, back when miele cylinders had two fixed length wands. One day the wands just got stuck, no reason or warning and we tried everything to get them unstuck , and to this day they are still stuck. But the worst part is that they got stuck slightly out of place so they are maddeningly croocked everytime you try to use them, it drives me nuts!

Scott


Post# 193375 , Reply# 52   8/5/2012 at 16:14 (2,792 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh that would annoy me! Whenever I use a cylinder I'm constantly twisting the handle one way or another in a futile attempt to get it 100% aligned. I'm very OCD about that kind of thing.

On a positive note, I came into a bit of money today so I'll buy a new set of tubes and new floor tool from eBay tomorrow morning! Should have old Henry working again by the end of the week.


Post# 193407 , Reply# 53   8/5/2012 at 20:13 (2,792 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually Jamie, the Henry floor tool stuck to the tube is exactly what happened to my James model many years ago - what I did to actually prise them apart was to bag up the floor tool and put the whole thing in a chest freezer. Just a day or two is all that is required. When I took it out, the floor tool just came off so easily! Try that, if of course you have a chest freezer to hand, or a neighbours.


Post# 193469 , Reply# 54   8/6/2012 at 02:28 (2,791 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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No chest freezer here... Did, a nice big 1990s Zanussi beast, but we sold that as it was never filled more than a quarter.

Just have a cheap Currys Essentials counter top freezer now and the one in the Lec fridge, which couldn't fit a jar of jam in it let alone a foot long tube.

Oh well, maybe it is a blessing since I never was a fan of those dull tubes anyway and will prefer nice chrome ones!


Post# 193532 , Reply# 55   8/6/2012 at 14:29 (2,791 days old) by Scaniabebe ()        

Good! Glad you're getting some new Wands and a new Floor Tool for it!:)
Those Numatics don't like not been used!





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