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Post# 18548 8/12/2007 at 22:00 (6,093 days old) by unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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YAY, it's been a long time since I had a chance to post anything in the Vintage Forum here at Vaccumland! At an estate sale yesterday there were a bunch of old vacs in the basement, but this one stood out because it seemed like it was in really nice shape. So for $3 I thought I could be a big spender and take it home and take a few pictures of it. It appears to be a late 1930's Kenmore, but I really don't know for sure. Here are some pictures of it, it works just fine although the belt needs replacement... 
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Post# 18551 , Reply# 1 8/12/2007 at 22:06 (6,093 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 18553 , Reply# 2 8/12/2007 at 22:07 (6,093 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 18560 , Reply# 3 8/12/2007 at 22:42 (6,093 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Robert what a great find, this is one that I have never seen before. It is in great shape and should be a very easy restore for you. Are the bag and brush-roll in pretty good shape? Thanks for sharing with us. | ||
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Post# 18576 , Reply# 4 8/12/2007 at 22:56 (6,093 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Are the bag and brush-roll in pretty good shape? Hi Terry, they seem to be in excellent shape, although I really don't know what to look for. The brush roll has all its bristles and doesn't appear to be worn down in any way. The bag is clean and doesn't show any sign of leaks. The machine runs quietly and doesn't seem like it's had a huge amount of use, since there were quite a few other vacuums in the house. | ||
| Post# 18583 , Reply# 5 8/12/2007 at 23:02 (6,093 days old) by swingette () | ||
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how bout a pic of the underside? that cleaner is a blatant Hoover copy. if today, Hoover would sue! | ||
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Post# 18592 , Reply# 6 8/12/2007 at 23:11 (6,093 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 18600 , Reply# 7 8/12/2007 at 23:51 (6,093 days old) by dial-a-nap (Omaha - the home of the TV Dinner) |
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Nice Kenmo' | ||
| Post# 18604 , Reply# 8 8/13/2007 at 03:19 (6,093 days old) by ian88 () | ||
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Maybe Sears were selling rebadged Hoovers as early as this? It's possible I suppose. (although I realise there are some differences :P) | ||
| Post# 18610 , Reply# 9 8/13/2007 at 08:29 (6,092 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Robert, I agree with Greg, clean her up a bit, get a new belt and give it a try. I am amazed at the excellent condition of the underside and the brushes!! | ||
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Post# 18611 , Reply# 10 8/13/2007 at 08:31 (6,092 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 18613 , Reply# 11 8/13/2007 at 08:32 (6,092 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Great question Robert, we will have to do some checking into it. | ||
| Post# 18614 , Reply# 12 8/13/2007 at 09:21 (6,092 days old) by ian88 () | ||
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Wouldn't a modern convertible belt fit alright? | ||
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Post# 18615 , Reply# 13 8/13/2007 at 09:44 (6,092 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA) |
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Robert, What a great vacuum. I don't think a convertable belt would fit, but try a dial-a-matic, or possibly a Bissel style 2. This looks like it would require a flat belt. You don't want the belt to be to tight and ruin the bottom bearing. I am curious, it is actually a Hoover made for Kenmore? Perhaps Tom or Jeff can shed some light for us. Morgan | ||
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Post# 18620 , Reply# 14 8/13/2007 at 10:23 (6,092 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.) |
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Belts... | ||
| Post# 18728 , Reply# 16 8/13/2007 at 18:41 (6,092 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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belt looks like a flat belt Robert? I'd try a Hoover Elite belt first, that would probably work best. | ||
| Post# 18742 , Reply# 17 8/13/2007 at 20:56 (6,092 days old) by petek (Ontario) | ||
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Nice score Robert. I'm also wondering who manufacturered it for Sears. The other thing,, De Luxe, more often than not denoted the bargain model in a line up. Anyone have that old a Sears catalog? | ||
| Post# 18744 , Reply# 18 8/13/2007 at 21:08 (6,092 days old) by sfovacman () | ||
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Could Bertram Electric have made the Kenmore? Am wondering if Bertram Electric wasn't the maker of the Kenmore pictured. Jim K. | ||
| Post# 18746 , Reply# 19 8/13/2007 at 22:13 (6,092 days old) by compactc9 () | ||
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So Is This Vacuum Anything Interesting? N definately not. Its probably best to jut ship it to me so I can properly dispose of it for you. ;) Actually, that is a nice find. In good condition too. | ||
| Post# 18747 , Reply# 20 8/13/2007 at 22:21 (6,092 days old) by eluxomarty (Palm Springs) | ||
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Okay here are those pix I put the old Kenmore that I have next to the Hoover 150 because they resemble each other. The white cord on the Kenmore is actually a Kenmore cord so I'm keeping it on. 
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| Post# 18748 , Reply# 21 8/13/2007 at 22:24 (6,092 days old) by eluxomarty (Palm Springs) | ||
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Brushrolls The brushroll on your Kenmore Robert looks to me like a Kirby brushroll. When i flipped both vacuums over to compare brushrolls, lo and behold, the Kenmore does have a flat belt! 
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Post# 18749 , Reply# 22 8/13/2007 at 22:25 (6,092 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 18750 , Reply# 23 8/13/2007 at 22:26 (6,092 days old) by eluxomarty (Palm Springs) | ||
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look at the diagram in the pulley cover. Shows which way the apply the belt. 
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Post# 18752 , Reply# 24 8/13/2007 at 22:26 (6,092 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 18753 , Reply# 25 8/13/2007 at 22:29 (6,092 days old) by eluxomarty (Palm Springs) | ||
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belt the belt used on this vacuum is a Hoover belt for the Elite as Jeff suggests! It is Hoover belt 38528-040-F6. Robert, try this belt for your Kenmore and see if it works. 
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Post# 18754 , Reply# 26 8/13/2007 at 22:40 (6,092 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 18755 , Reply# 27 8/13/2007 at 22:42 (6,092 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 18756 , Reply# 28 8/13/2007 at 22:59 (6,092 days old) by hygiene903 (Galion, OH) | ||
Nice Kenmore, Robert!
Just so happens that I have a copy of the 1935 Sears Catalog, and this vacuum is shown on page 526 as their top model, selling for $35.50 cash with your old cleaner, or $39.00 and your old cleaner if paid monthly. They also offered, on the same page, the Standard model at $26.95 cash or $29.65 if paid monthly (either way with trade-in), and the economy model at $17.95 with your old cleaner, cash only. Attachments were not shown for any of them, but they did offer the Kenmore Junior hand vac for $9.95, also on the same page. AND, on page 594, two non-electric models are shown, at $9.50 and $10.85 respectively. Sorry I can't help with information on the manufacturer, but would assume it's Birtman, as they built for Sears for quite a few years. Jeff | ||
| Post# 18758 , Reply# 29 8/13/2007 at 23:34 (6,092 days old) by petek (Ontario) | ||
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See Robts post 18749 above... now if that pic of the 4 star cleaner doesn't look like Darth Vaders mask nothing does. | ||
| Post# 18827 , Reply# 30 8/14/2007 at 08:55 (6,091 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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Birtman Electric is who made Robert's Kenmore. They made the majority of Sears vacuums into the 1950's. | ||
| Post# 18890 , Reply# 32 8/14/2007 at 23:02 (6,091 days old) by centralvacman () | ||
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the first 3 digits I seen many sears producrts have 3 digits & then a pirod the Sears source list is in the internet, a example 917.4568899 the 917. is a prefix that American yard products manifactured the unit wich is electrolux now. | ||
| Post# 20717 , Reply# 34 9/18/2007 at 23:54 (6,056 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR) | ||
About the numbering, etc.
I did some extensive research back in the 80s on Sears cleaners. The prefix 116. is actually a mark denoting upright vacuums (it may also be for canisters, too, I have to go back and check). Also, Marty, your machine was a successor to the BugEye Imperial. It first appeared in about '37 with the all-metal top, then variations of it with painted tops kept appearing right through WWII. A very popular machine. And, Unimatic, your model in one variation or another, was offered as the "B" line for quite awhile. The "A" versions were mostly headlight models with higher AMP motors, though none were very powerful (but seemed to work fine).
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