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Morphy Richards Cleaners
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Post# 185665   6/15/2012 at 17:00 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        

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Benny (Vintagerepairer) mentioned in another thread about Morphy Richards cleaners so I thought we might take a trip down memory lane. Starting off with the 1950s Upright. This has been restored so its not quite the original colour although its VERY close. The handle was originally chrome but it was badly rusted so it was just painted silver

Post# 185667 , Reply# 1   6/15/2012 at 17:02 (4,331 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I had forgotten that the handle was curved. To this very day I have never seen one for real.

Post# 185668 , Reply# 2   6/15/2012 at 17:04 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
And another version of the same

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I presume that this was an American design, but I have never been able to find out which. Both cleaners have the classic MR Iron (as in smoothing iron) on the bag

Post# 185669 , Reply# 3   6/15/2012 at 17:06 (4,331 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh)        

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What a beautiful looking machine. Stylish and functional and seems very influenced by the earlier art deco movement.

Post# 185670 , Reply# 4   6/15/2012 at 17:07 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
More minty green freshness

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Post# 185671 , Reply# 5   6/15/2012 at 17:13 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Moving forward to 1963

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The standard cannister. Benny, do you know if MR manufactured this themselves? It is somewhat reminiscant of a Goblin although not an exact match of any Goblin I have ever seen. I THINK this may have been sold as a Pye in Australia.

Post# 185672 , Reply# 6   6/15/2012 at 17:21 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
The other one

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is very clearly based on the GE Swivel top. To my knowledge there were a couple of iterations of this model, the tools above show the earlier type of GE Flipover nozzle. There was a later version with a rather longer cleaner/hose connection (and more contoured to the body of the cleaner) and the larger, later style of GE nozzle. In my 10 years of serious collecting neither of these two cleaners turned out although ChesterMike's mother had a swivel top type when he was growing up. Both the uprights are mine.

By the way I have the whole MR brochure scanned with the intention of making an off topic thread of it but is 20 odd pages so have not had time to do upload it yet

Al


Post# 185673 , Reply# 7   6/15/2012 at 17:23 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Art Deco

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Paul,

i could not agree more, this shot demonstrates it


Post# 185675 , Reply# 8   6/15/2012 at 17:29 (4,331 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello Vacbear, my knowledge of the few Morphy Richards cleaners they did is very poor. My father was with the company all of his working life, even after the factories in Orpington were closed down and production taken to Mexborough. He moved my mother and I up to Doncaster in 1971. He would have known all about these cleaners. I have a strong feeling that vacuum cleaners were made by another part of the group, possibly GEC, I am not sure. So yes they were very probably made in-house if I may use that term, but possibly not by the exact same Morphy Richards part who as we knew it made the irons and so on. I think the only reason my mother never owned a Morphy Richards cleaner was because she did not need one at the time they were available. As I have said before, of the few appliances we owned, they were all Morphy Richards where possible. But after a wireless, we only had a kettle, toaster, iron, and vacuum cleaner, plus the odd heater. Anything else was not considered necessary, though he and I were singing from the same hymn sheet on electric blankets at that time as we saw the ones which came back faulty. A worrying sight.

Post# 185682 , Reply# 9   6/15/2012 at 17:48 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
GEC

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Benny

It is possible that it could have GEC, but at the timeframe I am looking at I don't think they were part of the same group.

Its all a bit confusing but I believe that Hotpoint and GEC were both part of AEI in 1963. At that point there is something of a consolidation of appliances mostly under the Hotpoint name. For example going back to the 1930s both companies produced (different) upright cleaners and GEC also produced cannister cleaners in the 1950s and early 1960s. The last GEC upright is very similar to a Hoover 119/1224 although another cleaner which switched on and off when the handle is raised and lowered. Both uprights seem to have been replaced by the Hotpoint L&E and I suspect that the mid 1960s Hotpoint Masterclean (cannister - in torquoise with a full length handle) might actually have started out on the drawing board as a replacement GEC model.

As the 1960s went on the GEC name seems to have disappeared on the like of cookers and fridges in deference to Hotpoint.

Were it gets REALLY confusing is that there was a laundry brochure produced in the very early 1970s which is called GEC Home Laundry although none of the machines are branded GEC but Hotpoint, English Electric (and EE laundry disappeared not long after) and the MR spin dryer

Here is a picture of the last GEC upright



Post# 185758 , Reply# 10   6/16/2012 at 03:24 (4,331 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello again vacbear. All I can remember is that the GEC company had an influence on Morphy Richards for a good deal of the 1960's, as Charles Richards moved from Morphy Richards to GEC in the early 1960's. It was the later part of the 1960's when GEC took over but even before then it was not unknown for Morphy Richards to put their name on other manufacturers appliances. To all intents and purposes, my mother and I and our colleagues considered ourselves to work for Morphy Richards for the duration of our employment, with talk of AEI and GEC and so on and so forth being little more than gossip and discussion on the factory floor until 1969 when talk became more formal and related to redundancies. My father held much more senior positions in the company, working all over the country at different times for different brands, and knew a lot more of the changes at that time, though he discussed very little of it with us.

Post# 185784 , Reply# 11   6/16/2012 at 04:09 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Morphy Richards

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Lovely vacs there Al, and having used it its a great vintage vac to use!!, thanks for showng the pics of the VCA cannister vac (tank) again in the same years of collecting I have never come across another one....it was our family vac from mid 60`s until it was replaced with the Electrolux Z94 early 70`s.

It had pip click fitting, a small red pip that clocked into place, just remember the slider for suction control, the hose was grey plastic and was wide and heavy...the flip over floor tool was grey metal and dropped on your foot you knew about it..

It looks very similar to the "Singer" range of vacs that are on Dougs site (cant find the link), I vividly remember we never used paper bags just the large open cloth big bag and when you took that out you had a felt cover like the conny and then the motor inlet cover was a metal plate with lots of large holes in it...

The noise level was very quiet but it had a shrill metal fan sound!!


Post# 185785 , Reply# 12   6/16/2012 at 04:10 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Similar to Singer?

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from dougs great site..


Post# 185786 , Reply# 13   6/16/2012 at 04:11 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
And

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The Pye Rotovac,

Post# 185792 , Reply# 14   6/16/2012 at 04:21 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
First Model

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The Morphy Richards VBA

Post# 185793 , Reply# 15   6/16/2012 at 04:23 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Morphy Richards

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p2

Post# 185794 , Reply# 16   6/16/2012 at 04:24 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Morphy Richards

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p3

Post# 185795 , Reply# 17   6/16/2012 at 04:29 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
i also found this picture on the net

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Mike

I dont like to contradict you (AS IF!!!! LOLOLOL) but I think you are barking up the wrong tree with the Singer - those tools say Eureka to me (and they also sold a version of the vibra beat too), and the MR is most definatly GE Swivel top. But this one here (which looks late 1950s) has a different rug nozzle. In my posting above it looks like the GE flip over (although curiously not the long Z shaped wands of GE) and I have a very clear recollection of another version with the rectangular GE rug nozzle


Post# 185796 , Reply# 18   6/16/2012 at 04:32 (4,331 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
OK, my turn for correction

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On reviewing the drawing above I can see its not the GE flip over (as in one side rugs, one side hard floors) as there are separate carpet and rug nozzles, so i must stand corrected on that one

Post# 185798 , Reply# 19   6/16/2012 at 04:58 (4,331 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
MR

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Understand what you are saying Al, I just pulled together a few pics from which I thought where similar - have asked the question a few times who made what for what and no conclusive data - perhaps MR / GEC did make a UK exclusive afterall!!

The other similar one is this


Post# 185805 , Reply# 20   6/16/2012 at 05:45 (4,330 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Confusion

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I agree Mike, its hard to keep track of who did what to whom. This might help

Post# 185858 , Reply# 21   6/16/2012 at 16:43 (4,330 days old) by kenkart ()        
I don't know!!!!

Who that swivel top is a copy of...but I do know I WANT ONE!!!!!!

Post# 185926 , Reply# 22   6/17/2012 at 06:52 (4,329 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Hans -

 

I was thinking of you when I saw this discussion and looked at the round canister, which looks an awful lot like an.....APEX. Do we know whether Apex ever manufactured in Britain, and under what name?

 

John


Post# 185948 , Reply# 23   6/17/2012 at 09:54 (4,329 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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It looks like Morphy Richards actually copied the design of the 1950's Eureka Roto-Matic canister (a red and silver one is shown above). This design was used by Eureka to manufacture the contemporaneous Singer version as well. The Australian Pye Rotovac must be a result of that company purchasing an Australian copyright for the design from Eureka in North America. This corporate transaction must have also been used by Parnall to make a British version of Eureka's famous Mobile Aire canister vac (pictured above).....

Post# 185957 , Reply# 24   6/17/2012 at 11:57 (4,329 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Apex

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John

There are a couple of instances of Apex designs being sold over here. Pre war we had the Apex Airflow sold over here as the Vactric TOL cleaner. Whether they we built here or imported is not known although i suspect the latter is more likely


Post# 185958 , Reply# 25   6/17/2012 at 12:01 (4,329 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Post War

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and actually in the early 1950s Apex cannister designs were manufactured by a company called Bylock. Rather than the Morphy Richards I think THIS is an Apex design - I think it was manufactured by Bylock too although not branded as such

Post# 185959 , Reply# 26   6/17/2012 at 12:06 (4,329 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Brian

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I cannot be sure but I think it is based on the GE Swivel top rather than Eureka, the Parnall is an almost exact copy of the Eureka right down to the tools. As I wrote above there is a later version of the MR with a rug nozzle identical to the later GE version

Post# 185973 , Reply# 27   6/17/2012 at 12:25 (4,329 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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I would suspect the M.R. tank type machine was made, under contract by Byloc to M.R.'s specs - as the handle and switch are the same as used on the Byloc machines and the hose connection is the same as that used on the earlier models.

Post# 185975 , Reply# 28   6/17/2012 at 12:33 (4,329 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Alistair,

You may be quite right about this. As a matter of fact, I am inclined to believe that Eureka copied the swivel-top canister concept from General Electric. My beloved Eureka company had a tendency to "copy and improve" vac concepts and features over the years. I wonder if anyone can confirm that the first GE Swivel Top came to market before the first Eureka Roti-Matic.


Post# 185989 , Reply# 29   6/17/2012 at 13:52 (4,329 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Brian:

The GE AVC 815 and the Eureka 800 both first appeared in 1952 so very hard to say which came first.


Post# 185996 , Reply# 30   6/17/2012 at 14:12 (4,329 days old) by kenkart ()        
Bylock Tank!

Those attachments pictured are almost EXACT copies of Apex!!

Post# 186001 , Reply# 31   6/17/2012 at 14:52 (4,329 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Thanks for that info, Doug - very interesting!

Post# 186004 , Reply# 32   6/17/2012 at 15:39 (4,329 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Bylock

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Seems like time for another thread :) The attachements, at least in the earlier 1950s models ARE exactly the same as the Apex tools, later on not so much so - seems like the cleaners evolved somewhat from the earlier, Apex designed models.

Just out of interest, when DID Apex stop manufacturing?

Al


Post# 186020 , Reply# 33   6/17/2012 at 19:37 (4,329 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Hans - the only difference between the Apex and Bylock (or President in Canada)attachments was that the Apex machines parts were 1 1/4" and the Bylock parts were 29mm (1 1/8"). The President machines, which were made for State Vacuum Stores in the US and Canada were made by Apex for the US Stores with the larger parts and by Bylock for the Canadian stores with the smaller parts.

Post# 186047 , Reply# 34   6/18/2012 at 07:27 (4,328 days old) by kenkart ()        
Apex..

Stopped manufacturing cleaners in 63 I believe, the Apex attachments i have are slightly smaller than 1 1/4, in other words an Electrolux wand will not fit into an Apex attachment.


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