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An Unusual Convertable/DAM |
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Post# 185520   6/14/2012 at 16:58 (4,305 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 185521 , Reply# 1   6/14/2012 at 17:02 (4,305 days old) by guardsman69 ()   |   | |
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absolutely perfect a beautiful machine |
Post# 185522 , Reply# 2   6/14/2012 at 17:04 (4,305 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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All European DAMs (with the exception of powerdrives) were made in France. The updated design emerged here on the mid 1970s moving the "classic" switch and flex entry from the handle to the main body of the cleaner. This strikes me as a useful cost saving measure. The brushroll height control was updated too
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Post# 185523 , Reply# 3   6/14/2012 at 17:10 (4,305 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 185524 , Reply# 4   6/14/2012 at 17:18 (4,305 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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The brushroll seems to have been updated to resemble more that of the Turbopower and Turbomaster so that the beater side is fragmented. You cannot replace the brushroll strips either. What is unusual about this is the the whole DAM series seems to have been replaced here by the Concept 1 (we did not have the Concept II) in around 1980 or so. We know that there was a special a burgandy coloured DAM sold here in 1989, but this is the first sighting of this version I have seen, so I can only presume it was a special as well. The model number is U5074 and the serial number 70402423
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Post# 185562 , Reply# 5   6/15/2012 at 03:33 (4,304 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Morning Al,
Can only have been of exclusive stock as none of the brochures inform of it, daresay it would of been advertised on an A4 single sheet flyer than any pamphlet that most other ranges were shown in. That Brushroll is giving me a headache - I cannot for the life of me think what other machine I have seen it in. Certainly not a Hoover. I dont doubt that Hoover couldnt of outsourced such a thing so late in the Convertibles production run and it may very well be genuine but I am wondering what the Brushroll is like in Mikes Burgundy machine (I never thought to look assuming it was a metal beater roll like th rest) and if that is the same. I want to think Panasonic or Later Electroluxes - (widetrack era) Its certainly been outsourced by Hoover or retro fitted im sure. Now to think which machine I have seen it in. |
Post# 185563 , Reply# 6   6/15/2012 at 03:45 (4,304 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Rob
I was talking to Mike about it last night and he seemed to think his was the same. Although as I say we lost the the DAM here around the turn of the 1980s it is possible that it carried on in other areas for longer - from memory TommyMilan has posted pictures which show a far wider range of DAMs than we ever had here. I wonder will we ever be able to track down all the varities and flavours of Hoover cleaner we had here in Europe - I doubt it somehow. I dont know a great deal about the widetrack Luxes but would they not be rather later. You might, however, be onto something with the Panasonic for did Hoover not sell the DAM design to Panasonic when they brought out the Concept 1? Al |
Post# 185565 , Reply# 7   6/15/2012 at 04:11 (4,304 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Post# 185566 , Reply# 8   6/15/2012 at 04:12 (4,304 days old) by tommymilan (milano)   |   | |
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Post# 185567 , Reply# 9   6/15/2012 at 04:15 (4,304 days old) by tommymilan (milano)   |   | |
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Post# 185568 , Reply# 10   6/15/2012 at 04:19 (4,304 days old) by tommymilan (milano)   |   | |
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Post# 185570 , Reply# 11   6/15/2012 at 04:24 (4,304 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Post# 185571 , Reply# 12   6/15/2012 at 04:28 (4,304 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Looks to me like they were made for Hoover by Panasonic as an exclusive line.
Almost like the Hovver TP2 that was labelled Blomberg Dirt ~Devil etc. As for the brushroll I suspect it would have something to do with #Hoovers Patents and thus Panasonic had to fit their own design which beggars belief seeing whom it was made for. |
Post# 185573 , Reply# 14   6/15/2012 at 04:34 (4,304 days old) by tommymilan (milano)   |   | |
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NOT AT ALL!
As the hoover factory in France closed in the late Eighties, replacement parts for model built there became very hard to find, and those plastic brushrolls (taht did't clean very well and used to wear quickly) are almost impossible to find. Maybe in the USA you could find a used genuine DAM metal brushroll and it will fit perfectly. Some hoover repair centers in Italy used to fit a "SENIOR" brushroll, by modifying it and replacing its side bearings, one of my dams had this treatment and it works nicely! tommy |
Post# 185574 , Reply# 15   6/15/2012 at 05:01 (4,304 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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For tracking down those old threads for me it makes interesting reading. And such a great collection of cleaners you have - I hope they did not come to too much damage from the rain getting in.
It never ceases to amaze me just what variety of different models and variations Hoover had in different countries, although Electrolux in Europe is pretty much the same in that respect. I used to be amazed and the quantity and overlap of Hoover cleaners in the UK, but it seems even more so in Italy for not only had you Compact and Sensotronic but the full range of Freedoms too, we only had the Freedom 1000 at that time (actually up to 1986). Benny, It is no surprise to see the 1012 along with the 1036 although personally I would have thought that the 1036 would have been replaced by the 1104 by this time and apparently no hard bag version of either cleaner. The 1012 carried on here in the home shopping catalogues long after it was dropped from the "official" UK line and indeed there was even a hardbag version of it too! And the "Ranger" 4058 cleaner, never called a Ranger here but sold, I believe, as a Co-Op exclusive. And what a variety of tool sets there must have been for all those models too. Rob To be honest it did not occur to me that this brushroll might be a replacement although I will say for a plastic brushroll it does not show much sign of wear, and of couse what Tommy says makes sense about replacements - perhaps it is teh case that an authentic or "pattern" brushroll for a Panasonic model fits a DAM too Al |
Post# 185576 , Reply# 16   6/15/2012 at 05:12 (4,304 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)   |   | |
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Lovely find there Al, and the 3 way switch, never seen those before and didnt notice it on Tommys previous literature until just looked again...
The bruchroll reminds me of the Hoover Turbo Activator, I quite like it, brings an updated modern feel to it!! Heres a pic of the styles here, but cant find a pic of the activator brushroll |
Post# 185596 , Reply# 17   6/15/2012 at 09:58 (4,304 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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That is really nice! I had a circa 1968 DAM but gave it away when I moved last year. I wish I'd kept it because I think Hoover's DAM is the first clean air upright to ever be made. When i first got it, it stunk to high heaven, so I took it apart and removed all the insulating foam everywhere it was found. I then washed it thoroughly. I just about lost my sanity too! That was the hardest DAM vacuum cleaner I've ever seen to take apart and reassemble. |
Post# 185646 , Reply# 19   6/15/2012 at 15:56 (4,304 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Bag on the back. I wrote bag on the bag by mistake. I never did see a cleaner with a bag on the bag. Not even from Hoover, and they were the market leaders in doing things for the sake of it. |
Post# 185659 , Reply# 20   6/15/2012 at 16:50 (4,304 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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That last comment made me laugh out loud!
Regarding the U4058 - i have never manged to get one of these, although They are surprisingly common for an exclusive, but as far as i know its only the plastic hood that makes it different from the Ranger that we knew, and as I am sure you know as well as I, it was just a standard Senior under that. The 4058 also had the older style rear hose access which was partly what prompted my comment about tools - that one brochure encapsulates every recent (at that time) style of upright tools. Al |
Post# 185683 , Reply# 22   6/15/2012 at 17:49 (4,304 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 185706 , Reply# 23   6/15/2012 at 20:25 (4,304 days old) by tommymilan (milano)   |   | |
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Hello!
I love my U 4058... it was extremely rare and I really found on one. It is quite different from uk rangers, I'd say it has the plastic base of USA last convertibles with a different upper hood. the base itself is the same as that used fon another very rare convertible that I own, mod U 4197, the onein white and red but with the full ranger hood. do you know what I mean? they were made in USA or at least, the 4058 had the base made in Usa Tommy |