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Post# 182166   5/22/2012 at 23:47 (2,871 days old) by thevacuumlover1 ()        

I recently received a brand new hoover purepower pu-2121 from a good friend in England, in exchange for a hoover convertible. The machine is currently out of service due to the fact my 36 lbs transformer hasn't arrived yet. Once i can run it, i will make a video. It's actually quite nice too :) i'm probably the only person in north america in a suburban home, who has one.




Post# 182173 , Reply# 1   5/23/2012 at 00:44 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Phew, at least one is out of the country, ha ha :)

I hope you enjoy it though.


Post# 182177 , Reply# 2   5/23/2012 at 01:24 (2,871 days old) by thevacuumlover1 ()        
yea haha,

I know most people in the uk hate them ahaha, I dont know why exactly :P i think they are well built for the price

Post# 182180 , Reply# 3   5/23/2012 at 02:27 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Overpowered, poorly made & weak upright mechanism, noisy - I could go on but I don't want to rain on your parade, which I fear I've already done... Sorry!

Post# 182190 , Reply# 4   5/23/2012 at 06:19 (2,871 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well said JM! Do yourself a favour when you do get yourself a transformer and invest in ear plugs too. Word of advice - gently tap the push down handle release pedal - never use brute force as the pedal is one of the first things to break and if you want to make it easier to push, select a higher height setting to avoid the "pushing potatoes-in-a-sack" feeling. Again, gently tickle the height adjuster slider as this can break off too.



Post# 182324 , Reply# 5   5/23/2012 at 16:40 (2,871 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Are you sure your house wiring is up to the 2.1 Kilowatts in one lump? Unless you have a 20 Amp breaker on the circuit that you intend to use it on, that thing's going to be popping fuses, I remember my 1.8 Kilowatt Purepoower dimming the lights when it powered up, can't imagine what the 2.1KW is like on powerup........ :S

Dunno why you need a transformer though, the average american home has a 240v service, usually connected to the dryer & water heater, just make up an adaptor between the US style 240v plug and the UK one on the PP, and vac away, though you might need an extension cable given that they're usually far form the living spaces...


Post# 182325 , Reply# 6   5/23/2012 at 16:45 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Talking of powerful Vacuum Cleaners, I do remember when we had our awful HOOVER Dust Manager with a 2100W motor I believe, the lights almost went out on the initial power up.

Post# 182326 , Reply# 7   5/23/2012 at 16:46 (2,871 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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werent there two versions of this unit New model made to a cheap price and a older better model but they look the same , I have worked on a few here and although they look the same earlier versions had a better brush bar and felt moe sturdy, the last one i worked on had the most rubbish brush bar I have ever seen on a proper hoover looking more like something from china. Interestingly all the models I have worked on here have good quality amatek motors in them. 

 

Noisy ,, WHAT DID YOU SAY I WENT DEAFF FROM THE LAST ONE 


Post# 182327 , Reply# 8   5/23/2012 at 16:53 (2,871 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Jmurray 

take any 2000watt cylinder vacuum with a longitude mounted motor, Bypass the electronics and soft start . switch it on and whatch it barrel roll on your floor. The torque from the motor is just to much:)  


Post# 182329 , Reply# 9   5/23/2012 at 16:55 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ha ha, I do hate an overly loud Vacuum Cleaner!

Incidentally my kettle is 2100W which initially surprised me when I saw the rating sticker, but I suppose if it weren't as high it would take as long as my Beko washer to heat water!

It does dim the kitchen lights, if they are on at the time.


Post# 182332 , Reply# 10   5/23/2012 at 17:01 (2,871 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Loud is one thing, its the high pitched whine that some make that drives me nuts.

 

 

Kettle I have one of these Morphy Richards glass ones that light up blue when on . also a 2200watt its actually insane. and it doesn't seem to boil any faster than my older 1500watt one. does look cool though


Post# 182333 , Reply# 11   5/23/2012 at 17:01 (2,871 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

The Hoover DustManager is the same as a PurePower, but with a bagless unit fitted into the front rather than having a bag chamber... :S

Incidentally, that clearance store had a couple of dustmanagers, one in a sorry state (probably used, abused and returned as NFFP (Not Fit For Purpose)), the other clean and shiny, but still 2.1 Kilowatts a piece...


Post# 182336 , Reply# 12   5/23/2012 at 17:06 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I do not condone violence to Vacuum Cleaners, but the Purepower/Dust Managers are the exception.

KILL THEM ALL!

Oh and Dysons of course!


Post# 182339 , Reply# 13   5/23/2012 at 17:10 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Loud is one thing, its the high pitched whine that some make that drives me nuts." Oh that's so true! My '04 Panasonic MC-E8011 isn't especially loud considering some cleaners made these days, but the high pitched ear piercing sound it makes on full power makes me cringe.

Post# 182341 , Reply# 14   5/23/2012 at 17:11 (2,871 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I think all I did with my PP was just dismantle it and drop it in the recycling bin (saving parts I wanted to keep for spares), before moving, I found that the bearings from it's brushroll fitted the brushroll in the Vax quicklite I had, so they went in there, the power cable went onto my Junior U1104, and I still have the hose somewhere, dunno what I'll use that for, if anything, I hate stretch-hoses...

Post# 182342 , Reply# 15   5/23/2012 at 17:14 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"I hate stretch-hoses..." I love 'em! :)

As long as you keep one hand on the Vacuum Cleaner so it doesn't act like the Vacuum Cleaner version of Christine, stretch hoses are great.

The one on my Turbopower goes all the way to the top of the stairs with the cleaner left at the bottom.


Post# 182343 , Reply# 16   5/23/2012 at 17:18 (2,871 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        
stretch hoses

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I dont mind them either, the one on my dc40 is less springy than other models, I can walk a fair distance from the machine without t following me. like with most modern conveniences there are positives and negative sides, for me in my household the positives outweigh the negatives.

 

If you use them correctly they are great, you can't treat them like a normal crushproof hose.


Post# 182345 , Reply# 17   5/23/2012 at 17:24 (2,871 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

I actually quite like the design of the Purepowers.

I just wish that Hoover/Candy would fix the weak points on them, namely the weak chassis that can't handle the forces of the release pedal. Also the slim brushroll - God alone knows what their idea was with that design. Oh, and variable suction would be useful too.


Post# 182346 , Reply# 18   5/23/2012 at 17:26 (2,871 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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weak chassis have always seemed to plague hoover uprights from the UK since he turbopower


Post# 182347 , Reply# 19   5/23/2012 at 17:34 (2,871 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Also the slim brushroll - God alone knows what their idea was with that design." Oh that was the worst bit, which is saying something.

I don't know why they ever stopped using the activator. Well, actually I do. It was no longer effective because of the constantly increasing wattages of the PP motors making it spin faster.

The activator was only REALLY effective on the Turbopower 1, but still pretty good on the Turbopower 2/1000/3, however completely useless on the Purepower ranges.



Post# 182351 , Reply# 20   5/23/2012 at 17:47 (2,871 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

My 1500 Watt machine had a large diameter brushroll, minus the activator nodules. Same with mum's 1800W.

The 1350 Watt Vortex had activator with nodules.

The interesting thing is, the slim brushroll on the modern machines, looks like a throwback to pre-1926, the year the agitator with beater bars appeared.

This is a Hoover 541 with slim brushroll.


Post# 182352 , Reply# 21   5/23/2012 at 17:47 (2,871 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        

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well i think its down to personal taste we should be happy that vacuumlover1 has got a machine he likes we all have different tastes

Post# 182353 , Reply# 22   5/23/2012 at 17:49 (2,871 days old) by thevacuumlover1 ()        
To twocvbloke

my house is up to par for a 5000 watt transformer. I need a transformer because the house 240v outlets are misshapen and would be a bitch to rewire and take out and then bring the wiring up through the basement. Some crazy electrician recommended that i buy a UK socket and wire it to my wall. He told me this would cost 400-500 dollars for a electrician to set it up and run wires through my wall, No thanks lol. I'll just wait till the transformer comes.

Post# 182354 , Reply# 23   5/23/2012 at 17:59 (2,871 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Another reason I "believe" candy took away the activator brushroll, along with other features like the bag light and autosense, is because it wasn't there design, it was "hoovers" so they had to take all hoovers little nifty features off there vacuums, I guss for copy right purposes when they got bought out, but not 100% sure.

well that is what I heard anyway.


Post# 182355 , Reply# 24   5/23/2012 at 18:07 (2,871 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Gotta love it when two companies own one name, I wonder if they'll end up with one of the two Hoovers being renamed like how Aerus did from Electrolux when Electrolux bought back their name, just to stop the confusion... :\

Post# 182356 , Reply# 25   5/23/2012 at 18:11 (2,871 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I am not sure I agree with that Alex, because Candy took over Hoover around 1993, but the Autosense feature carried on long afterwards and right into the Hoover Purepower, because in the original 1997 Purepower collection there was an Autosense model. Personally, I always thought that the removal of certain features was a way of bringing down costs and / or introducing a lower specification cleaner to the market.

What needs to be remembered is that so much has changed to many aspects of life in the last fifteen or so years, due to the internet. This has affected the way we buy anything, not just vacuum cleaners, but as far as the vacuum cleaner market goes, the impact of the internet coupled with the rocketing sales of the early Dyson models has turned it on it's head. Then there has been the dramatic drop in the retail price of almost all electrical goods, and that price difference has to be recouped, be it through the removal of parts and features, or moving production abroad, or whatever else it takes. So it would be impossible to pin-point a specific reason for why vacuum cleaners are being made the way they are today as there are so many factors which need to be accounted for. But the fact remains that whatever we experts think of a cleaner, that same cleaner will have been built the way it was because (A)it is cheap (B) it works and (C) it sells.


Post# 182358 , Reply# 26   5/23/2012 at 18:14 (2,871 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

I doubt that, on the basis that Hoover Candy acquired all the other design rights that make up the various machines. e.g. the Constellation name.

No, more likely is that Candy is looking to Europe with their love of hard flooring, so the UK has to do without to suit the rest of Europe.

Probably "much cheapness" has a very big hand in it too. Cut costs on all fronts, i.e. "look how much plastic isn't going into our new brushrolls..."


Post# 182359 , Reply# 27   5/23/2012 at 18:17 (2,871 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Mr Murray, you make good points about the activator on the Hoover cleaner not being effective on the Purepower, but we must not lose sight of the fact that Hoover had not been overly promoting the beats as it sweeps as it cleans mentality for some time. It was mentioned in their sales brochures and possibly on some cleaners themselves, but you would have to go a long way to find someone who was bothered about the beating action. I think it was a generational thing to be truthful. The need for a beater bar got forgotten as time progressed and indeed for a good deal of time Hoovers competitors had been known to slip in the odd line or two about how their cleaners had no beating action. I am sure it was Hotpoint who were keen to say that their upright vacuum did not beat the carpet and portrayed the action as harmful to the carpet pile.

Post# 182360 , Reply# 28   5/23/2012 at 18:20 (2,871 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Rolls_Rapide, love your name by the way, my mother used to own a Rolls Concord, it looks as though you are disagreeing with my post, which I have no problem with of course, but I think you were possibly referring to the one made last by Alex. Could you clarify for me?

Post# 182367 , Reply# 29   5/23/2012 at 18:36 (2,871 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Vintagerepairer

No not you, I was disagreeing with Alex. You just posted quicker than me.

My gran had a Rolls "Rapide" twintub washing machine.


Post# 182368 , Reply# 30   5/23/2012 at 18:41 (2,871 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Thank you for replying. Mother had a Concord but I don't remember a thing about it apart from it having three dials on the front, each one close to the next. I only know she kept it up to the point where she was bought a Hoover front loading automatic.

Post# 182407 , Reply# 31   5/24/2012 at 08:55 (2,870 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That's very true Benny, since the Senior range ceased production in the late 70s (with the exception of a few store exclusives like the Co-op Ranger etc...) the "Beats as it Sweeps as it Cleans" reputation was lost.

Yes, some say the Activator brush roll was better than the traditional beater bars, but I still disagree.

I'm sure the main reason HOOVER stopped incorporating the beater bars with their brush rolls was due to the fact that the general consumer would see a big lump of metal on the brush roll and think "oh no, that'll ruin my carpet!".


Post# 182427 , Reply# 32   5/24/2012 at 13:43 (2,870 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I think the reason the metal beater was lost was because more and more parts on all vacuum cleaners were switching to plastic as it was cheaper, and a one-piece roller like on the Turbopower would mean less assembly too, as there was no need to fit two beater strips to the cleaner. My own opinion as to why Hoover switched from two wide beater strips to several plastic lumps is because if the traditional beater had been all plastic, it would very likely get damaged easily by hard debris. One only has to look at the condition of the beaters on Electrolux 500 and Hitachi cleaners to see this. But I could be very wide of the mark.

I still stand by my comments that the beats as it sweeps as it cleans idea had long passed by the mid 1980s. The U1104 Junior was the last to really talk about such a feature and even those models were fitted with a Turbopower style roller towards the end of their production run.


Post# 182444 , Reply# 33   5/24/2012 at 15:02 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Maybe it wasn't publicly announced as much as it used to be but threw the 80's and early 90's it was still there, as you can see from a picture of a page on this brochure from about 1990 I think? it is still beeing advertised.


Post# 182445 , Reply# 34   5/24/2012 at 15:05 (2,870 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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The carpet in that picture is the same as the stuff we have upstairs!

Post# 182448 , Reply# 35   5/24/2012 at 15:10 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Yh it is nice carpet.

Post# 182449 , Reply# 36   5/24/2012 at 15:25 (2,870 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hi Alex, thank you for sharing that. It confirms exactly what I was saying, that Hoover still mentioned the beating action in their literature, even though the salespeople in stores and such places would not generally home-in on the beating facility in any great detail when selling a new cleaner. And again as I said earlier, not many purchasers in the last twenty-odd years were geared towards a beating action, I suppose as there were other features on a good deal of other makes and models which they liked more than the cleaner with the beaters maybe. I think it all depends what little details individual people go for. I do recall well one older couple buying a reconditioned Electrolux 502S off me and liking the fact that they could replace the roller brushes piecemeal, unlike their existing and much newer cleaner where the roller was a complete unit. But I didn't get many people asking questions about things like that.

Post# 182450 , Reply# 37   5/24/2012 at 16:44 (2,870 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

It's a shame Hoover no longer uses beater bars since the Elites were introduced here in the USA. Why can't Hoover (both USA & UK companies) continue making BEATER BARS & METAL brush rolls instead of PLASTIC? Beater bars actually ENHANCE deep cleaning of carpets better than a stiff bristles-only roller ever could.

I wonder if Candy is doing the same things to Hoover UK as TTI with Hoover USA like cheapening their quality & removing key features (full bag indicators, dirt sensors, inefficient tools, etc)?


Post# 182452 , Reply# 38   5/24/2012 at 16:52 (2,870 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I wouldn't call a full bag indicator a key feature... As said in another thread they are next to useless.

Post# 182453 , Reply# 39   5/24/2012 at 16:57 (2,870 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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From my experience, beater bars worsen the performance when used on carpets that are glued to floor, because the airflow can't lift the carpet. That is how many carpets are being installed these days. If it can't lift the carpet all it's doing is smashing the carpet. Plus most bypass motor vacuums have no where near the airflow necessary to utilize a beater bar correctly. I certainly was not impressed by the Hoover beater bars in my Dial-a-Matic, when I owned one. I think the Quadraflex brush roll was a good successor, and introduced at the right time. The Elite and Windtunnel brush rolls were good as well. I too would like Hoover to go back a few decades, but what they've been selling for the past 30 so years have been correct for the homes built today.

alexhoovers94, would you mind uploading some more of the Hoover brochures? I would love to see more of UK models.


Post# 182456 , Reply# 40   5/24/2012 at 17:17 (2,870 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I've got that brochure too. Infact it's a pity we can't upload full PDFs of brochures on here.

Post# 182458 , Reply# 41   5/24/2012 at 17:25 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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well I can upload a couple more I guss from this brochure but i don't think i can upload anymore simply because I don't have them and i think it would be copyright i think?


Post# 182459 , Reply# 42   5/24/2012 at 17:26 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 182464 , Reply# 47   5/24/2012 at 17:32 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 182465 , Reply# 48   5/24/2012 at 17:33 (2,870 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
The Turbolite......

As you US guys are no doubt aware its actually an Elite 200 rebadged .......

Seamus


Post# 182467 , Reply# 49   5/24/2012 at 17:35 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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This is all I have, and this is not the entire brocure, this is just the uprights, I hope this is ok to post what I have hear, if it isn't I guss an administrator will delete it, I am not sure, but anyway hear is some of the products from this particular brochure from about 1990. :)

Post# 182473 , Reply# 50   5/24/2012 at 18:50 (2,870 days old) by thevacuumlover1 ()        
yes,

Im very aware it's a hoover elite 200 rebaged. Not hard to see hence i have an elite 200...........

Post# 182474 , Reply# 51   5/24/2012 at 18:53 (2,870 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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We only got this one in the States. Known as the Sovereign....unless you count the Dimensions (was that their name? The one shown on the cover of your brochure).


Post# 182475 , Reply# 52   5/24/2012 at 19:06 (2,870 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The vacuum cleaner on the front cover of the brochure is a hoover turbomaster total system U5096.

Post# 182480 , Reply# 53   5/24/2012 at 19:50 (2,869 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Call me cynical if you will, and it goes without saying that I am not on the Christmas card list of the Queen of England, but I think I could safely suggest that she was not all that involved in the design of the Turbopower cleaners.

Post# 182499 , Reply# 54   5/25/2012 at 06:54 (2,869 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Mmm if she was, I hazard she'd have requested a longer cord for starters!

Infact I recall watching a TV programme one year about how Buckingham Palace is maintained. I recall they used a selection of old Hoover upright vacuums and the entire sole plate was covered over with a metal grid, just so that the brushes wouldn't remove anything too harshly from the delicate rugs.

Here's a fun spoof video of our Queen cleaning (but sadly not with any machine!).


CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK


Post# 182500 , Reply# 55   5/25/2012 at 08:08 (2,869 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Hoover purepower?!

I had an Autosense one :D

Post# 182508 , Reply# 56   5/25/2012 at 12:05 (2,869 days old) by ryry_87 ()        

I've got to say i've never 'hooverized' my carpets either lol might Hoover them but definitely not 'hooverize'

Post# 182524 , Reply# 57   5/25/2012 at 15:18 (2,869 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Is the Sovereign the machine that evolved to become the Elite? How many Sovereigns were sold/available in the USA?

Post# 182543 , Reply# 58   5/25/2012 at 18:33 (2,869 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
You're not alone vacuumlover,

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Post# 182646 , Reply# 59   5/27/2012 at 03:12 (2,867 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Hooverize ? I've never heard anybody say that!

Here in the UK most people refer to a Vacuum Cleaner as a hoover and vacuuming as hoovering, but never hooverizing...


Post# 182674 , Reply# 60   5/27/2012 at 06:49 (2,867 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Well some people do still say vacuum, vacuum cleaner or vac in the UK, I know all my family call it a vac we have never refered to it as a hoover and we certainly don't say hoovering up cause that just sounds stupid, I have never called it a hoover, lol.


Post# 182678 , Reply# 61   5/27/2012 at 07:07 (2,867 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I used to use the hoover term, but since collecting Vacuum Cleaners I no longer use that!

Post# 182978 , Reply# 62   5/28/2012 at 17:57 (2,866 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

I still say "hoover", even though the brands have changed.

Post# 183035 , Reply# 63   5/29/2012 at 07:12 (2,865 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"I still say "hoover", even though the brands have changed." Why Calum, you are a disgrace to Vacuum Cleaner collecting! Ha ha.

The only time I say "hoover", is when I mean - HOOVER!

I never use the term "hoovering" however, vacuuming is the one I use.





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