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A mass of modern vacs going cheap...
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Post# 181766   5/19/2012 at 10:11 (2,882 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Well, yesterday, I found something new (to me), a clearance store in Stanley (Co. Durham), and once I finally got round to the vacs, they had loads of them!! Various bagless Vax models, a stack of Dyson DC22s, some Panasonic uprights, Nilfisk Wet & Dry tub vacs, a row of Miele S7s, and a load of other cheap things that are usually store-branded...

It was fun getting to look at these things up close, (bar the dysons & mieles, cos they were at about 130 a piece still so still boxed up), some of the vacuums had some pathetic filtration (like a Bosch thing with a post-filter that was smaller than my mobile phone), and some were rather flexible in places they shouldn't be, but some seemed okay...

But al that said, there's not really anything there that caught my interest, everything is minimum of 1.2 Kilowatts motor power (and I overheard a member of staff telling a trainee to emphasise on the air-watts to sell things, like those ever matter!!), maybe handy for getting cheap disposable vac, or something to experiment with, but we shall see... :)

But, as most of them are store returns, there may be faults and whatnot, so could be interesting to see what's up with the most cheap of the lot (like the Mach3s at 2x different prices, cos one's in a generic box an the other's in the original box), so I guess it'd be "buyer beware"... :S

Post# 181768 , Reply# 1   5/19/2012 at 10:17 (2,882 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I like shops like that. Dependent on the prices you can pick up the premiums and popular ones, do them up and then pop them on Gumtree.

Post# 181773 , Reply# 2   5/19/2012 at 11:34 (2,881 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

For once, I actually agree with you, the Vac Mach series vacs were selling at half their catalogue price, and from what I could see of most of them, they were fine, so you could go in there, buy a couple, sell them for maybe 40% more than you paid, and there you have instant profit...

It is tempting to do just that for a little but of extra play money...

Post# 181776 , Reply# 3   5/19/2012 at 12:19 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Sounds good, but personally I wouldn't go near any cheap modern Vacuum Cleaners...

In my opinion they are all cheap, over powered junk and even if they weren't, I'd still not be interested.

A shop selling boxed vintage cleaners however, I may be interested in that...

Post# 181778 , Reply# 4   5/19/2012 at 12:22 (2,881 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

When all the vintage vacuums blow, its time to update with a MODERN vacuum. Not all are junk, some people just dont like change. I have plenty of modern cleaners, some collectors dont collect anything past the 70's cause its too modern.

Post# 181786 , Reply# 5   5/19/2012 at 13:44 (2,881 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I'm not into modern vacs at all, I'm just looking at them purely thinking of money making, cos at 35 for a whole vac that could potentially be sold for 70 (look for the Vax Mach 3 on ebay), that's some profit there... :P

Post# 181787 , Reply# 6   5/19/2012 at 14:27 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That's the thing though, vintage Vacuum Cleaners were made in such a way that they last a long time and when they do require repairs, it is easy to do so.

So I can safely say that vintage Vacuum Cleaners will NEVER be extinct.

To say I don't like change would be wrong, I do, but only if it is GOOD change :)

In my opinion almost all Vacuum Cleaners made these days are cheap n' nasty.

There are a few exceptions of course, there always are, but only a few.

Post# 181788 , Reply# 7   5/19/2012 at 14:29 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"I'm not into modern vacs at all, I'm just looking at them purely thinking of money making, cos at 35 for a whole vac that could potentially be sold for 70 (look for the Vax Mach 3 on ebay), that's some profit there... :P" There sure is, so go and do it! Buy some cheap and sell for big money!

On the one condition you use the profits for a new vintage machine of course :)

Post# 181789 , Reply# 8   5/19/2012 at 14:38 (2,881 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Well, it'd be something vintage, not necessarily vacuums... :P

Post# 181790 , Reply# 9   5/19/2012 at 15:22 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You collect other vintage items ?

Post# 181795 , Reply# 10   5/19/2012 at 16:16 (2,881 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Yeah, I have several old phones, some american, some canadian and the rest british... :)

Post# 181800 , Reply# 11   5/19/2012 at 17:57 (2,881 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Those ex-catalogue stores are cropping up all over the place. I myself have a contact who runs a small store selling Argos returned goods. All I will say is there are a good deal of reasons why most of it got sent back. One pays the money, one takes a chance.

Post# 181807 , Reply# 12   5/19/2012 at 18:29 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You wouldn't think you could buy something from a shop that may not work these days...

Post# 181809 , Reply# 13   5/19/2012 at 18:40 (2,881 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I'm not sure what you mean, sorry.

Post# 181831 , Reply# 14   5/19/2012 at 23:16 (2,881 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I think a lot of brand new items should come with a "buyer beware" note, especially if they're made using cheap labour in far eastern communistic countries that couldn't care less... :S

Still, for those who buy returns from clearance stores (a lot I looked at stated they were manufacturer refurbed, but they had a few that weren't and were still dirty), they're paying for what they get, something that may or may not work properly, regardless of what the item is... :\

Still, they had some neat looking stuff I wouldn't mind having even if they needed some minor repairs, if I had the money that is... :P

Post# 181840 , Reply# 15   5/20/2012 at 01:47 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I meant, Benny, that if you buy something from a shop these days you expect it to be guaranteed to work, not "maybe" work.

Post# 181851 , Reply# 16   5/20/2012 at 03:03 (2,881 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Oh I see. Well no, not quite. 2CV has more or less said it for me. Where you buy something and what you pay for it can have a huge bearing on what you get. If you go to an ordinary shop and buy what one calls a new item then yes, you have the right to expect it to be 100% and any or all defects should be pointed out to you. But if one goes to a 2nd hand shop or an outlet where products being sold are returned goods, then that has to be taken into account too.

Post# 181852 , Reply# 17   5/20/2012 at 03:17 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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True. I suppose I've just never seen a shop selling returned goods. I didn't even know it existed until joining Vacuum Land...

Post# 181854 , Reply# 18   5/20/2012 at 03:25 (2,881 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

They sell everything from electrical goods to furniture. I have not been impressed with the furniture I have seen. Clearly badly assembled the first time round and often obvious as to why it was returned.

Post# 181855 , Reply# 19   5/20/2012 at 03:32 (2,881 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes, I'm not surprised at that.

Personally I'd rather save up a bit more and buy something brand new with some sort of guarantee.

Post# 181859 , Reply# 20   5/20/2012 at 05:12 (2,881 days old) by hoovermanmick ()        
modern cleaners

i was looking in to getin a new motor for my lux dolphin rather than buying a new modern cleaner there about 95 pound but u get more than 2 years out of a geniune lux motor

Post# 181864 , Reply# 21   5/20/2012 at 06:19 (2,881 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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twocv & jm.

The whole proposition of buying a modern vacuum can be "cheaper" when using sites like Gumtree and if you judge all modern vacuums as being rubbish, you could turn your thought more positively by doing up the machines and then reselling them. twocv - the Vax Mach Air is a very popular vac at the moment and you'd do well to buy what you can, do them up and resell on Gumtree.

The buyers who go on there are looking for essentials as well as bargain hunters and collectors. I did it when I first moved to Edinburgh able to buy essentials that proved to be too expensive at cost brand new with several articles.

So, as a collector you would be able to recoup a higher profit dependent on the machine you choose to sell. I've bought a few second hand Miele vacs and only one Sebo upright off Gumtree and it's surprising what you can also get from individual sellers if you push hard enough - one buyer I bought a surplus Miele S381 from (priced at 75) was selling the machine because it was too heavy, less than a year old and turned out to have bought a few floor head attachments which were not used at the time. Taking into account the cost price of those individual items, I offered 100 (knowing this is what the new machine cost at the time in Comet, since I had one myself) and the seller agreed also chucking in 4 BOXES of bags. I was extremely lucky - I eventually sold the Miele on another Gumtree region for 140 including the STB 205 turbo brush head and upgraded the filters to match the then current Miele models and offering a "pet" model based on the current spec. The S381 sold extremely quickly, eventually to a couple who were not prepared to pay out the then asking price of 249 for the bigger bagged S5 cat and dog model.

JM - Of course, these days buyers do feel protected with any kind of extra warranty - but there seems to be more of this newer generation of people (all ages, I've found) who don't care that much for warranties either based on the extra price incurred at the time, or if they have had existing experience before and have been put off. One buyer I sold a Numatic grey commercial tub to (similar to the original James with 800 watts, single rocker switch) pointed out that their previous Numatic's guarantee only covered the motor and body - not the hose, not the pipes and not the floor head. Thus, with the cost of those together including consumables, I could see my buyer's point of view that it would be just as cost effective to buy another "complete" Numatic than shelling out for all the parts at the same time. So he took the grey tub off me, complete with a shorter hose to use in his garage for DIY, cleaning out the cars and kept his "domestic" Henry in the home.

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