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Thread Number: 16877
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| Post# 180184 5/7/2012 at 16:47 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180185 , Reply# 1 5/7/2012 at 16:49 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 180188 , Reply# 2 5/7/2012 at 16:51 (4,364 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 180193 , Reply# 3 5/7/2012 at 16:54 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180205 , Reply# 5 5/7/2012 at 18:15 (4,364 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 180233 , Reply# 7 5/7/2012 at 22:33 (4,364 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I like both! | ||
| Post# 180259 , Reply# 8 5/8/2012 at 05:34 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180270 , Reply# 9 5/8/2012 at 08:22 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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The bag is attached upside down on the fill tube with the rubber band sucureing it, the dust blows up inside the bag, the dirt fills around the filltube at the bottom and as the bag get's fuller the bag starts to lean against the space at the bottom of the outer bag, the filtube sticks up indide the bag to the fill line on the out side of the paper bag so if you emptied the bag when it reaches the fill line you shouldn't get dirt falling back down the tube.
The top fill style however allows the bag to get alot fuller. | ||
| Post# 180317 , Reply# 11 5/8/2012 at 16:14 (4,363 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
One of the main reasons North American Eureka uprights cleaned better than Hoover uprights in the 1960's and 1970's was Eureka's use of their wonderful top fill "Style F&G" disposable dust bags.
Air flow was better maintained in these Eureka upright bags because the dirt fell away from the air path at the top of the bag and never blocked it. With bottom fill bags, every time you start up the upright vac, you kick up whatever dirt is sitting at the bottom and you send a dirty stream of air up into the rest of bag, causing faster clogging of the tiny bag pores when compared to top fill bags. The fact that Hoover changed over to top fill bags in the 1980's signifies that the company realized this system is better. | ||
| Post# 180325 , Reply# 12 5/8/2012 at 17:36 (4,363 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Top fill all the way; however, I had a few Eureka uprights throughout my entire life & been happy with the Style F & G bags & haven't made ANY mess changing them. :) As with the Hoover Convertible 33, I use Eureka F & G bags on the Convertible instead of Hoover Style C bags. | ||
| Post# 180368 , Reply# 15 5/9/2012 at 05:37 (4,363 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180372 , Reply# 16 5/9/2012 at 06:59 (4,363 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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It's a pretty standard bag for us Sanitaire owners, it's the Hoover ones that are tiny... :P And just for fairness, here's a Hoover H1 cardboard bag fitted in my ZC-880... :P (though, it really really really restricted performance!!) 
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| Post# 180378 , Reply# 17 5/9/2012 at 07:27 (4,363 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Thanks for that correction Jamie! :-)
We were a Eureka Upright Family (260, 2083) when I was growing up, and I always volunteered to change the F&G bag on them. It was easy to tell when the bag needed changing - if the bottom of the soft bag was solid for about one foot from the bottom (about 30 cm), it was usually time to change the bag. We had a lot of wall-to-wall carpeting in our house and all that carpeting got comprehensively "Eureka'd" by our cleaning lady at least once a week - with Mom doing a quick run through of high traffic areas probably 2 more times in the week. Our homes were never large - small "bungalows" as we would call them in Canada in those days. Our carpeting was always deep plush wool with lots of fibres. Those F&G bags are so large, that even with all the plush carpeting and all that vacuuming, I never had to change the bag more than 3 or 4 times a year. Removing a full F&G bag is a little like delivering a "baby" - you dig into the cloth bag with both hands and move the heavy bottom out of its "home" before sliding the throat spring down to release the paper throat. After installing a fresh F&G bag, it was always a little disappointing to see how "flacid" the cloth bag stayed for a week or two! The top-fill design pushes the air up the paper throat and out the top of the bag, and until the pores start clogging and pressure builds up, the rest of the bag does not expand that much. It's an excellent design - from way back in 1960! | ||
| Post# 180380 , Reply# 18 5/9/2012 at 07:33 (4,363 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Addendum.....
It's no wonder Sweden's Electrolux Company had their eyes on Eureka before they bought it in 1974. This was the golden-age of Eureka Williams in Bloomington, Illinois. And the products they created were for the most part great performers; especially the uprights - an area in which Electrolux had yet to excel.
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| Post# 181647 , Reply# 20 5/18/2012 at 11:44 (4,354 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 181799 , Reply# 21 5/19/2012 at 17:48 (4,352 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 181804 , Reply# 23 5/19/2012 at 18:26 (4,352 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 182028 , Reply# 24 5/21/2012 at 18:25 (4,350 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 182586 , Reply# 28 5/26/2012 at 03:29 (4,346 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
top fill 
in my opinion the topfill was the best improvement Hoover made to this already exellent machine . my mums old hoover junior from 1963 didnt have a rubber band holding the bag on its got a belt thats a metal spring but changing the bag is easy i just undo the knurled screw on the front take of the whole bag asembly turn it upside down and change the bag my mum was rough with her junior i once found a clothes peb in there how it got past the fan i will never know
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| Post# 182849 , Reply# 29 5/28/2012 at 05:57 (4,344 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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My Hoover u7008 has been converted to take bottom fill bags rather than just the shake out cloth bag at some point, so I use Electrolux C12/Columbus Dixon/Sanitaire style bags. Do a great job and the filtration's better than bog standard hoover ones 
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| Post# 182920 , Reply# 30 5/28/2012 at 14:49 (4,343 days old) by pnluxconvlvr (Georgia) | ||
Top fill HEPA 
I converted a bottom fill to a top fill and instead of using the standard "A" bags I buy the Hoover Platinum "Q" bags and after a slight trim with a small knife on both sides of the seal membrane these work great and hold more. I have even fit and had these fill up properly with a little tucking on a bottom fill "C" style outer bag after changing it's tube/bellows to a top fill. Growing up with two Convertible Specails they always spilled dirt from the bottom fill bags back down onto the bottom plate and onto the floor when carrying up and down stairs and were a mess to change and clean the dirt and odor from the huge dirty prophylactic on the fill tube. Never understood the idea behind the design, but it is history.
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| Post# 183017 , Reply# 32 5/29/2012 at 01:09 (4,343 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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they were just bog standard pattern Columbus-Dixon ones, must admit the filtration isn't great but thats my fault for buying cheap bags lol still a hell of a lot better than the shake out bag on its own though | ||
| Post# 183029 , Reply# 33 5/29/2012 at 05:31 (4,343 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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You can get the proper type E74 Filteraire bags from Electrolux: CLICK HERE TO GO TO twocvbloke's LINK | ||
| Post# 183250 , Reply# 34 5/30/2012 at 06:08 (4,342 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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funnily enough, despite the ones i've got being a pattern part, they looks completely identical to the genuine ones | ||
| Post# 183484 , Reply# 36 6/1/2012 at 00:18 (4,340 days old) by hoover1 () | ||
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bottom fill but dont call me crazy | ||
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