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Thread Number: 16866
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| Post# 180066 5/6/2012 at 16:56 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
Here is one of my juniors, model U1012, this model ran from the mid to late 70's, it is the same style as the junior 1346, it just has a different bag fill style is all. I got this one off eBay last week, the seller said it was in excellent condition and it did look to be from the photos, however when it arrived there was more to be said!
Here is some before pictures. Sorry about the mess in the background in the first picture. 
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| Post# 180067 , Reply# 1 5/6/2012 at 16:58 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180068 , Reply# 2 5/6/2012 at 16:59 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180069 , Reply# 3 5/6/2012 at 17:00 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180070 , Reply# 4 5/6/2012 at 17:03 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Look at this disgrace under the bottom cover!! | ||
| Post# 180071 , Reply# 5 5/6/2012 at 17:05 (4,365 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR) | ||
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| Post# 180072 , Reply# 6 5/6/2012 at 17:05 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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So much for the great condition bag, yeah maybe from the out | ||
| Post# 180073 , Reply# 7 5/6/2012 at 17:07 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180074 , Reply# 8 5/6/2012 at 17:09 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Now the after pictures!! | ||
| Post# 180075 , Reply# 9 5/6/2012 at 17:10 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180076 , Reply# 10 5/6/2012 at 17:12 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180077 , Reply# 11 5/6/2012 at 17:14 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180078 , Reply# 12 5/6/2012 at 17:15 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180079 , Reply# 13 5/6/2012 at 17:16 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180080 , Reply# 14 5/6/2012 at 17:18 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180081 , Reply# 15 5/6/2012 at 17:20 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180085 , Reply# 17 5/6/2012 at 19:10 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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This is the Junior I have wanted for a long time, I just love the colours and the longer bag, and to me that mustard colour looks so seventies! I have heard lots of people say the colour of this one is disgusting but I think it look really nice.
I am glad I grabbed this one, in, now good condition, I must say though if you didn't notice it before, there is a small crack next to the bellow at the right side of the base, it has now been glued with some super strong super glue so with hope, is hardly noticeable. The handle release also didn't work when I got it so I got my dad to grind sharper points into the handle release catch thing because it had worn and smoothed down over time, it does work semi properly now, it is a little temperamental at times but at least it works well enough to hold it in the upright and 3/4 back position. If you notice on the before pictures the cord is shorter, where as on the after pictures it is longer, that is because I had to replace the cord :( the cord didn't have a mark on it apart from the big gash in it where it had been wrapped too tight around the top cord hook exposing the live and neutral wires which was not safe and made the machine cut out so I replaced it with a match to the original one, only this one is 10m and not 6m like the original one. God knows what Hoover was thinking putting 6m cords on there vacuum cleaners, that is just stupidly short, I am forever unplugging and re plugging! Anyway overall the only thing replaced on this is the belt, bag and cord. | ||
| Post# 180093 , Reply# 22 5/6/2012 at 20:15 (4,365 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Well I was thinking more of the older metal barrel type suppressors, but yes, I've seen that happen too, sometimes on Electrolux cleaners. | ||
| Post# 180094 , Reply# 23 5/6/2012 at 20:22 (4,365 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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I don't often see many older barrel types, there was one in the Senior I had, but someone seemed to think it was superfluous to the design and cut the wires to it, but didn't remove it, which was odd... | ||
| Post# 180096 , Reply# 24 5/6/2012 at 20:29 (4,365 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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It was something which all Hoover cleaners had from the 1960's or so, into the late 1970s. Cylinder and uprights. Earliest Hoover suppressors were plastic and had the wires moulded into them. Then the larger metal barrel types took over. | ||
| Post# 180097 , Reply# 25 5/6/2012 at 20:44 (4,365 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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The only plastic-bodied wires-moulded-in suppressors I've seen the most are the ones in 240v Kirbys, though never ad any problems with those, other than remembering where they were connected... :P | ||
| Post# 180099 , Reply# 26 5/6/2012 at 21:21 (4,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Yepp twocvbloke, had the motor apart completely and cleaned it, checked the carbon brushes and bearings which are fine. I did have to swap the carbon brushes around, because they must of got taken out and put back in (prior to me owning it) the wrong way which was making a ticking sound against the commutator, so now the brushes are seated against the commutator in the correct way they had worn down previously. But yeah the motor is all dust and fluff free. | ||
| Post# 180115 , Reply# 27 5/7/2012 at 07:03 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
Looks great! I totally agree with the flexes being stupidly short!
Whenever I use my Ranger U4014 I'm always tugging on the cord to get the cleaner to the far side of the rooms. There will come a day when I have to replace the flex no doubt and when that day comes, the new flex will be a lot longer than the old one! The strange thing is that the hooks could actually hold a few more metres of wire on the Senior range, so why didn't HOOVER make use of that ? It wasn't like they were made in a time of extreme material shortages and the price when new (£81 for the U4014) certainly didn't warrant cut backs in manufacture. | ||
| Post# 180122 , Reply# 29 5/7/2012 at 07:58 (4,364 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 180126 , Reply# 30 5/7/2012 at 09:08 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Not everyone in the UK has a small house! I consider my house to be smallish but not that small that all I need is a 6m cable, I don't have a central plug socket in my house that I could get most of my living room vacuumed with just haveing it plugged in once so I am always moving sockets and is really annoying, maybe the junior were designed for small flats and appartments which is why they have shorter cables, with that said thouh jamie said his senior ranger has a 6m cable so may your right twocvbloke about it being cheaper with less copper wire. but It can't of been that much more just adding an extra 4m but ahh well never mind. Thanks eurekastar, It took me a couple of days to get it like this but it was well worth the effort. That fill tube was brought out on the later 1346 style juniors like this 1012 and on to the very last 80's juniors it was designed to make changing the bag less messy which it did but by no means easier, lol. I like to do nice close ups of my vacuums because I like to see other peoples close up pictures of there vacs too so I do the same :) | ||
| Post# 180130 , Reply# 31 5/7/2012 at 09:51 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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back in these days although women worked away from the home a good deal didnt and thus did housework somewhat more differently than it is done today.
6 metres of cable was plenty. If it wasnt an smallish extension cable was often the answer. Homes were cleaned weekly and a thorough top to bottom of each room done in succession of rooms spread throughout the week. We tend these days to clean the house on one day of the week and in a mad dash like fashion to get the job done in 2 or 3 hours. This of course means longer cables to facilitate hoovering of 3 or 4 rooms at a time or a whole floor of a house even. Back then rooms had 1 socket mostly if you were lucky and if it was being cleaned further activity requiring a socket was probably out the window while wifey did what she did. APpliances didnt fight for sockets like they do now and I seem to see folk cleaning around eachother instead of everyone being shoo'ed out of the way like I was as a kid. The only sockets not usually in use by a gadget these days are usually hallway sockets or landing sockets thus the vac has to reach all rooms in one succession. Tuesday in 1972 the lounge may have been cleaned. 6metres was enough to do that task. Wednesday might of seen the Dining room be done and a bedroom. Thursday might of seen the other 2 bedrooms done. etc etc. Im guilty myself of modern cleaning. Thursday night I go from room to room doing tidying then wet cleaning then dusting then finally Hoovering the entire house in one go. Changing the plug slows you down and gets annoying using a junior or senior but then these were made in the day when this style of cleaning didnt happen. | ||
| Post# 180133 , Reply# 32 5/7/2012 at 10:07 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I guss I didn't think that people cleaned there house quite differently then to what they do today, If I was to clean my house they way the did in the 60's and 70's i think 6m would of been enough if I unplugged one of the gameing consoles in the living room I guss I would of had enough reach to clean the living room, but like you said they wouldn't of had som many gadgets back then so wouldn't of matterd, because all the other plug sockets are taken up in my living room I have to go and use one in the hall which means with a 6m cable I can only reack about half way through the living room. | ||
| Post# 180136 , Reply# 33 5/7/2012 at 11:33 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I wasn't aware of how homes were vacuumed years ago - Thanks for explaining.
I personally vacuum the whole house thoroughly every single morning, which may seem overzealous, but I like my carpets kept as clean as they can be. Once a week I give the house a REALLY thorough vacuum, which involves moving the beds etcetera and using the dusting brush for the furniture. | ||
| Post# 180146 , Reply# 34 5/7/2012 at 13:16 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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oh I forgot a picture. | ||
| Post# 180147 , Reply# 35 5/7/2012 at 13:33 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180151 , Reply# 36 5/7/2012 at 14:15 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Really? I always thought the type H1 bags were fidily to change because you have to make sure they are wrapped tight around the fill tube and you stretch the band back over. It was always really messy with the bottom fil style because even if you pulled the bag off with a tight grip grit and dust always fell out onto the floor. | ||
| Post# 180176 , Reply# 38 5/7/2012 at 16:28 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180180 , Reply# 40 5/7/2012 at 16:39 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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HAVING JUST CHECKED THE lUX 500 FLEX AGAINST the juniors it is indeed 7.5 metres against the juniors 6m,
However I dont think 1 metre or so difference amounted to much in terms of features etc. Just Lux being on the generous side I suppose. Had it of been a feature I would of thought they would of gone the whole hog and upped it to 10 or more metres. 
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| Post# 180181 , Reply# 41 5/7/2012 at 16:44 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 180186 , Reply# 42 5/7/2012 at 16:50 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Yes, I thought it was around 1.5 metres longer. It may not seem like much, but it is just the extra wee bit that helps get to the ends of the rooms in my house.
One Vacuum Cleaner which has an outstanding length of flex is my 2007 Numatic Henry. I can plug him in upstairs and go all the way downstairs and out my back door (I did so the other day to vacuum the shed) without even unplugging it from the landing socket. Amazing. | ||
| Post# 180187 , Reply# 43 5/7/2012 at 16:51 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 180191 , Reply# 45 5/7/2012 at 16:53 (4,364 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 180196 , Reply# 47 5/7/2012 at 16:58 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 180197 , Reply# 48 5/7/2012 at 16:58 (4,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180199 , Reply# 49 5/7/2012 at 16:59 (4,364 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180200 , Reply# 50 5/7/2012 at 17:01 (4,364 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 180206 , Reply# 52 5/7/2012 at 18:21 (4,364 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 180247 , Reply# 54 5/7/2012 at 23:30 (4,364 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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VERY NICE collection there | ||
| Post# 180250 , Reply# 55 5/8/2012 at 03:24 (4,363 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London) | ||
Vac Collection & Ad | ||
| Post# 180258 , Reply# 56 5/8/2012 at 05:32 (4,363 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180274 , Reply# 57 5/8/2012 at 09:41 (4,363 days old) by jakesvacs () | ||
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Thats the constellation my great gran had,been after one for years! Good to see one again though! | ||
| Post# 180316 , Reply# 59 5/8/2012 at 16:06 (4,363 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180369 , Reply# 62 5/9/2012 at 05:41 (4,362 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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People get conned into buying things like the aforementioned bags believing they will save them money, but actually, although they'll save money by not spending £10 a year on paper bags, they will be spending hundreds before they know it on a new Vacuum Cleaner when the motor eventually gives out with the strain of having to cope with a clogged (as it would become) cloth bag.
Paper bags all the way. Put one in, run it to half full, or three quarters if you're a dare devil, take it out, put a new one in. Simples! And it doesn't harm your motor like a cloth bag. | ||
| Post# 180395 , Reply# 64 5/9/2012 at 11:29 (4,362 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180408 , Reply# 65 5/9/2012 at 12:14 (4,362 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I don't mind some generic stuff... I use generic bags in my junior now because after buying the genuine ones there does not seem to be a difference at all between them, apart from the writing on the hoover ones. I may buy generic flat belts, I have one in my turbopower 2 which has been in there a while with no problems (it is a qualtex belt) the only thing I won't buy is generic round belts, I bought a pack of ten generic round belts for my junior thinking it would be cheaper, boy was I wrong! I went threw a belt in about 2 minutes of use and that in no joke! That was with a belt guard in place by the way. I think there was a reason they were sold in packs of ten..... don't you!? | ||
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Post# 180410 , Reply# 67 5/9/2012 at 12:21 (4,362 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I never use generic, ever | ||
| Post# 180413 , Reply# 68 5/9/2012 at 12:37 (4,362 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I agree with using generic flat belts, there is nothing wrong with them!
I've had a (brand unknown) generic belt in my 1994 HOOVER Turbopower 1000 since September last year and it still works fine. As for round belts, yes, I'd prefer the manufacturer's own belts, but do on occasion buy generic round belts if money is tight. | ||
| Post# 180417 , Reply# 69 5/9/2012 at 13:04 (4,362 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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That's a thought, I need to find my bag o' belts for the Juniors, not sure where I put the things... :\ | ||
| Post# 180428 , Reply# 70 5/9/2012 at 14:04 (4,362 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180704 , Reply# 74 5/12/2012 at 13:57 (4,359 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Junior Tools Has anyone had or used tools that plug infront of the fan on the hoover juniors (the 1334 and 1346 machines) are they anygood, suction wise or is just very poor. I heard that the senior converter attachments had very poor hose suction, is the junior anybetter for hose use? Regardless of how good the tools are I hope to get some for my juniors one day, but for now I am just interested about expanding my collection. | ||
| Post# 180710 , Reply# 76 5/12/2012 at 14:39 (4,359 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London) | ||
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Junio Tools
Are not bad. The suction is by no means equivalent to a modern cleaner but not bad and probably better than those to the 652 series Senior models.
The tools often crop up on ebay and there is no need at all to pay big money for them, but do be aware that there are two types - early and late and the hoses are not, to the best of my knowledge interchangable with the two adaptors | ||
| Post# 180740 , Reply# 77 5/12/2012 at 20:31 (4,359 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 180881 , Reply# 79 5/14/2012 at 02:57 (4,357 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I see Junior tools often when I'm metaphorically flicking through the pages of eBay, some of which sell on auctions for quite a low price, so keep an eye out, but make sure you don't lose it down the back of the sofa, I did that once...
If you want the full story, the book is due to be released soon, entitled "Aye, that's my eye"... Anyway, enough about me. | ||
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Post# 180975 , Reply# 80 5/14/2012 at 12:01 (4,357 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I finally got a set of these tools | ||
| Post# 181083 , Reply# 82 5/15/2012 at 06:29 (4,356 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I love the junior too!! | ||
| Post# 181394 , Reply# 83 5/16/2012 at 19:15 (4,355 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 181434 , Reply# 84 5/17/2012 at 01:37 (4,355 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 181644 , Reply# 85 5/18/2012 at 11:13 (4,353 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Sebo_fan, I did have a look on gumtree but there was not much, I suppose there are always car boot sales I could go to, you know I have never ever been to a carboot before, lol, I heard they sell stuff there pretty cheap. Jammie, the vintage junior do not use paper bags like the 60's and 70's ones do, though like you say, the vintage ones are all metal construction and not plastic, however the 60's, 70's and 80's junior are still very robust and very effective, VERY! | ||
| Post# 181645 , Reply# 86 5/18/2012 at 11:25 (4,353 days old) by Alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Oh and by the way, does anyone know why the zip doesn't | ||
| Post# 181654 , Reply# 87 5/18/2012 at 12:08 (4,353 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 181658 , Reply# 88 5/18/2012 at 13:02 (4,353 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 181672 , Reply# 89 5/18/2012 at 15:11 (4,353 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 182437 , Reply# 90 5/24/2012 at 14:01 (4,347 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I have just made a video of this, if anyone is interested. | ||
| Post# 182471 , Reply# 91 5/24/2012 at 18:31 (4,347 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR) | ||
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| Post# 182502 , Reply# 92 5/25/2012 at 08:11 (4,346 days old) by midcenturyfan (Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England) | ||
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| Post# 182503 , Reply# 93 5/25/2012 at 08:12 (4,346 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 182548 , Reply# 94 5/25/2012 at 20:03 (4,346 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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re: Old Cloth Bags
Actually, cloth bags still exist - you get them in a lot of Electrolux bagged cylinder vacs, Morphy Richards & Goblin bagged cylinders. In the 1990's I had a Telios soft bag. Hoover called them "SMS" bags but they soon because a standard name used by other brands. They're a good idea in theory when you run out of paper dust bags and usually lose 0.5 litre of capacity compared to the paper dust bags.
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| Post# 182582 , Reply# 95 5/26/2012 at 02:24 (4,345 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
the junior 
most of my family have had juniors in my opinion they are bomb proof my mums junior [white and grey around 1963]stood behind the front door permenantly plugged in with enough flex to go all round the ground floor [three bed semi] also up the stairs and all bedrooms ti would not be emptied until its bag was bulging sometimes draging on the floor even then the paper bag would be put back on and used over and over again till it was completely worn out . the junior had a hard life in use daily in a house with four kids it would be used at least four times a day usually after meals in the dinning room the flex never wound around the cleats just coiled up and thrown over the handle coming to rest on top of the bag and then wheeled back to its home behind the front door bumping over every room door step on the way .yes i know your all horified but thats how vacs were and still are treated although new ones cant take to much rough treatment i remember my mum banging the hoover junior into the fireplace once two of the tiles fell of can you imagine what would happen if you did that with one of todays plastic things .the junior now lives with me and in its retirement it has had a complete overhaul and a bath and shares a nice warm cupboard with my grans hoover 612 it pops out ocasionaly but never when my mum is visiting
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| Post# 184207 , Reply# 96 6/4/2012 at 13:00 (4,336 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 261218 , Reply# 97 12/30/2013 at 16:21 (3,762 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 261248 , Reply# 98 12/30/2013 at 20:05 (3,762 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
"Smashed a hole in it" | ||
| Post# 261253 , Reply# 99 12/30/2013 at 20:32 (3,762 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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well there was a moth flying around my room and it landed on the ceiling, so I got a ribber weight from a knitting machine which is about 1kg and I went to squash it with that, then it moved and I shit myself then dropped the weight and the Junior was underneath it and I heard this rather loud SMASH noise, I thought "CHRIST, do I want to look" so I looked down and saw lots of little orange bits of plastic and there was a huge hole in the cover plate!! I spent an hour, latterly, going "oh my god, I don't believe it"
Lol, never mind, all is fine now, I will take better care of this one! | ||
| Post# 314885 , Reply# 100 2/8/2015 at 04:23 (3,357 days old) by vacuumlover (UK) | ||
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Inside of my bag was worse! Mine looked fine from the outside but jesus was i wrong lol The previous owner didnt put the paper bag on properly so there was a gap and this happened
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| Post# 314911 , Reply# 101 2/8/2015 at 10:42 (3,357 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 314919 , Reply# 102 2/8/2015 at 11:07 (3,357 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 315679 , Reply# 103 2/16/2015 at 16:31 (3,349 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
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when mum
eventualy decided to empty the bulging sack on the junior she would usually take it outside take the bag off then switch on and let it have a good blow [blowing dust onto next doors windows] then fit a new bag and belt and then back in the house for a fiew more weeks or till it was full to bursting again i once saw her put an old pillow case on as a temporary fix till she could get to the shop for a pack of bags.Dad would use the machine with the tools fitted to clean the car at least once a week the one day in 1970 i came home from school to find a brand new in the box Hoover Conquest on the floor in the lounge wish i still had that i would be a very happy man
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