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Post# 179448   4/30/2012 at 17:02 (2,890 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I finally broke down and bought a Rainbow E Series off Ebay. Before using it, I changed the motor filter, HEPA filter, separator, and the brush strips on the brush roll. It seems to have been well cared for too. However, I was a little surprised to see so much fine dust in the exhaust port behind the HEPA filter. The power nozzle didn't even have a scratch on it, although some of the small decals on the vacuum unit itself are coming off. Over all, I would say it's in very good shape.

Post# 179450 , Reply# 1   4/30/2012 at 17:05 (2,890 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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My first impression is very favorable. The power nozzle seems to do a great job on carpet too. I vacuumed just three rooms (one with carpet) and pulled all this junk up into the water bath. It was pretty thick too, so I'm thinking I might need to get a 4 quart basin for it.

Post# 179451 , Reply# 2   4/30/2012 at 17:07 (2,890 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Would it be a good idea, when rinsing out the basin, to use a little bleach in one of the rinses? I was vacuuming up dead bugs.

Post# 179481 , Reply# 3   4/30/2012 at 20:03 (2,890 days old) by dwhdarren97 ()        

The fine dust could have been caused by infrequent emptying of the water pan by the previous owner. We all know through common sense that water or any liquid can only absorb so much before it dries up. Just figured I would say this before someone started trash talking the Rainbow :)

Post# 179519 , Reply# 4   5/1/2012 at 00:30 (2,890 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Agree - that AND cleaning the grooves of the separator. If these two things are not done, dust will get into the fans and onto the hepa.

It looks like you have a one speed. I'm guessing you just got one used from someone just selling theirs, and not a vacuum dealer on Ebay who reconditions them?

Post# 179533 , Reply# 5   5/1/2012 at 07:04 (2,889 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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It is a one speed. I bought it from someone who is a reseller, but he didn't recondition it beyond doing some superficial cleaning. I saw a video on Youtube that gives step-by-step instructions on disassembling the E Series, so I plan to that this weekend in order to clean out the fan chamber and the fans. The HEPA filter was pretty dirty too.

Post# 179535 , Reply# 6   5/1/2012 at 08:12 (2,889 days old) by henry200 ()        

Your picture of the water pan after cleaning 3 rooms illustrates well how dust was escaping the water bath.  When the water gets that thick with muck it can't trap the dust any more.  It's a shame there isn't a way to incorporate a signal alerting the user when the water needs to be changed.  Lint, hair, and heavier debris will sludge-up the water quickly.  When using a Rainbow I change the water after each room or every 15 minutes or so.....and that's in a relatively "clean" house with no pets and no wall to wall carpeting.

Post# 179576 , Reply# 7   5/1/2012 at 15:24 (2,889 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes. In the 80s, my grandma had a Rainbow and we often would let the basin get thick with crud because we didn't "think" about it. I think most people will probably do that. I don't know? I know it wasn't until the LATEST Rainbow that Rexair actually stated in the user guide to change water before it gets too thick and clean the separator frequently. Never before did they mention changing the water in any of their manuals. But it is common sense if you think about it. I have no idea WHY we didn't change the water as we should have. God knows what the fans must have looked like in my grandma's machine. I even remember putting Pine Sol in the basin for scent when she ran out of the Rexair scents. I don't even remember it foaming at all. She had it ten years with no issues though before a Kirby dealer talked her into buying a Kirby, and she told me she regretted it and wished she had her Rainbow back. Nothing against Kirby; I like Kirby. I just remember her telling me that.

Best thing to do is change the water with each room, then after a while you won't have to change it as often.

Post# 179580 , Reply# 8   5/1/2012 at 15:36 (2,889 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Changing the water frequently makes complete sense to me, especially when vacuuming the entire house. It's clear to me now how dense debris and sludge in the water prevents effective filtration. I guess I'll tear it down this weekend and clean out the inside too. Funny thing. The power nozzle seems like it is brand new. I'll bet the previous owner had a lot of solid surface floors.

Post# 179610 , Reply# 9   5/1/2012 at 17:44 (2,889 days old) by joshdonnell ()        

Have the same model, i didnt change the water . My didnt ever did to slugy

Post# 179612 , Reply# 10   5/1/2012 at 18:05 (2,889 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I change the water after each room (when I vacuum AND dust the ENTIRE room); after a quick vacing the floors only every 1/3 of the house.

The manual says "Change the water every 15 minutes under normal household conditions," and "DO NOT clean too long with ONE filling of water." Even the D2 manual states that message.

btw, I just got a Chrome Dome D today. :)

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Post# 179645 , Reply# 11   5/1/2012 at 20:47 (2,889 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Your new Chrome Dome looks great!

Post# 180739 , Reply# 12   5/12/2012 at 20:28 (2,878 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

You should NEVER let the wster get too thick like the 2nd pic shows! But you've seen how thick the water gets after vacing with a Rainbow even AFTER vacing with an ordinary bagged or bagless vacuum.

Leaving the water to get thick can also smell up the Rainbow; & the fans can get dirty, & motor & bearings get rusted.

Post# 180747 , Reply# 13   5/12/2012 at 21:55 (2,878 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
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Yep. I tore it down to clean it and service the motor. It was filthy on the inside. The fan washer was rusted onto the armature shaft and wouldn't come off easily. I ended up ruining the fan in order to get that darn washer off. So I had to order a new fan and washer too. They should be here on Monday so I can get everything back together.  The moral to the story:  Change the water and don't leave the unit on the water basin when storing. 

Post# 180748 , Reply# 14   5/12/2012 at 22:18 (2,878 days old) by Ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Another warning - don't loan out your Rainbow - unless you really trust that the person will take proper care of it. I was at my local Rainbow store getting fragrance as gift, and a couple had brought in a filthy Rainbow that their daughter had borrowed. There was mud under the HEPA filter. It was an expensive mistake.

Post# 180766 , Reply# 15   5/13/2012 at 00:33 (2,878 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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The first year I had my rainbow, before I had purchased the extra long 14 foot non electric hose and my reason for getting it, I fell off a ladder 5 foot from about four steps up, holding my rainbow in one hand trying to clean up high. You should have seen it, in mid-air falling I refused to let go of it. I landed on the floor, the rainbow landed on me. Luckily the water wasn't dirty because I had just changed it. But still the fall caused shaking as you could imagine. I left it running to dry out anything that could have possibly got sucked into the motor. If that water had been dirty, I'm sure it would have been a mess, though I remember, even with that fall and all of that force, checking the water level in the basin was still on the proper fill line, so I don't think anything water got into the fans. I've heard that you can turn a rainbow upside down with a basin full of water and the water will stay in the basin, but I don't DARE try it. I wonder if that's true?

Post# 180854 , Reply# 16   5/13/2012 at 21:16 (2,877 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

DON'T ever try that trick! A few yers back, when I sold Rainbows, I once turned the Rainbow upside-down wneh running & the water spilled all over & got into the motor.

Why didn't you get extra wands & clean the high places while standing on the floor? Its safer than climbing up ladders.

I'm unsure about going back to selling Rainbows again?

Post# 180857 , Reply# 17   5/13/2012 at 21:38 (2,877 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Because I live in a house with vaulted ceilings and a few high flat areas that collect dust and then there's also two ceiling fans in the house. I don't mind getting on the ladder now since I don't lose balance holding a heavy vacuum

Post# 180859 , Reply# 18   5/13/2012 at 22:11 (2,877 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
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You must be quite the acrobat and protecting your rainbow too!  That reminds me of my Junior High Band Director.  If someone fell while carrying an instrument, he'd walk over and ask, "Is the horn ok?"


Post# 180867 , Reply# 19   5/14/2012 at 00:47 (2,877 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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So yesterday - I had my rainbow out. I decided to snap a few pics of the fans. I had to shine a flashlight to get the pics to show up. This is six years old & a 2 speed Gold which I bought brand new. I've used it A LOT over the past six years and I think the fans look really good compared to some I've seen. The one pic the flashlight sort of magnifies what I think is mostly mineral dust, probably a little dirt as well. But it still is a very clean smell on the inside. Nothing caked on or nasty. The first year I had it I didn't change the water as often as I should because I didn't know any better, but I never really let it get that bad

Post# 180868 , Reply# 20   5/14/2012 at 00:48 (2,877 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Post# 181008 , Reply# 22   5/14/2012 at 16:30 (2,876 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

VERY IMPRESSIVE, Mark! It's a rare event that I ever see a used Rainbow (even one that's at least 5 yrs old) in clean, like new condition.

That's why people should NEVER store the Rainbow power unit on the basin, no matter if the basin is dry or wet, empty or full with water/dirt; and ALWAYS clean the Separator & spider after EACH USE; & ALWAYS change the water every 15-20 minutes; & never clean too long with only one filling of water.

Post# 181018 , Reply# 23   5/14/2012 at 16:53 (2,876 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
Mission Accomplished

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My Rainbow E2 is fully serviced and back together!  I also purchased a 4 quart water basin since I have a fairly large house. 

Post# 181022 , Reply# 24   5/14/2012 at 17:00 (2,876 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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The careful eye will notice that the pin striping around the motor unit is missing.  That's about the only thing on this unit that was dinged up, so I just removed it.  I vacuum the rung it's sitting yesterday with an Electrolux.  Today, I vacuumed with the Rainbow E2 I just finished putting together.  Even I was surprised by the amount of crud it removed from the carpet today.  But I have two dogs and one child in and out of the house all the time. 

Post# 181067 , Reply# 25   5/14/2012 at 23:55 (2,876 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Thanks. I'm the only person that ever uses it. I wouldn't dare let anyone else use it. Seeing how as much as I've used mine over the past six years, I was always puzzled by some comments about Rainbow after my experiences with it. But this machine has a high rate of user error, I'm sure (unfortunately), so that would explain the many dirty rainbows out there. Even the first year of owning mine in 2006, I didn't clean the separator, only rinsed it because it never looked dirty, but it does get dirty in the grooves after a while, so I started cleaning it after each use from that point on.


Looks great! Now you don't have anyone else's dirt. It will be your dirt. Whatever you do - don't lend it to anyone (LOL)

Post# 181071 , Reply# 26   5/15/2012 at 02:01 (2,876 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I forgot to mention: That four quart water basin; that's a good idea for a large house. This may be a DUMB question, but, I wonder if the larger basin with more water in any way affects the efficacy since it's having to churn more water? Probably not. I know it would come in VERY handy when using the Aquamate 3. It certainly would help with people who don't like to change the water as often.

Post# 181091 , Reply# 27   5/15/2012 at 07:21 (2,875 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
4 quart basin

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I don't know if the 4 quart basin does affect performance.  I don't have any way of test airflow and water lift, but it still feels plenty powerful!

Post# 181092 , Reply# 28   5/15/2012 at 07:22 (2,875 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Does anyone know if the separator is dishwasher safe?

Post# 181121 , Reply# 29   5/15/2012 at 09:47 (2,875 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes. It is dishwasher safe based on past posts I've read on this site. I personally have never put it in the dishwasher but I'm almost positive they are dishwasher safe. The basin itself isn't.

Post# 181126 , Reply# 30   5/15/2012 at 09:52 (2,875 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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EurkeaStar.........So you think the ONE speed is powerful? I've never seen a one speed in person. I could be wrong, but I've heard that the one speeds had less lift that the previous PE SE Rainbow. That lift was increased even more with the 2 speed brushless. Then again, I've read that the difference is very slight. On yours, did you take the PN completely apart and clean it or just the main unit? How did you take the PN apart?

Post# 181133 , Reply# 31   5/15/2012 at 10:32 (2,875 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I didn't take the PN completely apart.  I just installed a new belt and brush strips.  It didn't look like it had been used much (if at all), so I'm guessing the previous owner must have had mostly hardwood floors.  One of the things about this E2 is the AMP rating on the main motor.  I've seen one speed E2 Rainbow on Ebay that are rated at 9.5 AMPs, but mine is rated at 10 AMPs.  The tag on the bottom and the tag on the motor both state that it is 10 AMPs.  So I guess there was a change in motors later in that model's production run. 

Post# 181205 , Reply# 32   5/15/2012 at 14:18 (2,875 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Do you want to know the BEST thing (in my opinion) to put in the water before vacuuming?

Essential oil. It's cheap, lasts a LONG time, and doesn't cost much....AND, No chemicals. I bought a bottle of lemon essential oil off ebay like 3 yrs ago and I'm just getting low on it. I recently bought this and it's my favorite.


Post# 181245 , Reply# 33   5/15/2012 at 18:34 (2,875 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
Essential Oil

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I have some scents that are sold by Rainbow.  I wonder if they are essential oils or just some type solution infused with scents. 

Post# 181259 , Reply# 34   5/15/2012 at 20:48 (2,875 days old) by joshdonnell ()        

Sold by rainbow are fake not true oils . Buy tree tea to disinfect and lemon is good too

Post# 181281 , Reply# 35   5/16/2012 at 01:23 (2,875 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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The Rainbow scents are chemicals. I do like the way they smell, but after using real Lemon essential oil, and then using the rainbow lemon flavor, you can see how it's not as good as the real thing. Another thing I have noticed, that big green Bottle of Deodorizer from Rexair; I always loved the way that smelled but it foams too much. Even the latest formula, someone was telling me they were having trouble with it foaming. I still have half a bottle of it from six years ago. If I ever use it, I can only put a few drops. If I put 2 cap fulls like it suggests, too much foaming, and I have hard water.

Post# 181401 , Reply# 36   5/16/2012 at 20:18 (2,874 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
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Rexair warns that using other oils in the water pan can cause it to crack. They have said this for years. I only use the Rainbow scents. With the new model they changed some of the fragrances. Have only tried the berry so far. I like it, but I liked mulberry better.

Bud Mattingly

Post# 181463 , Reply# 37   5/17/2012 at 05:49 (2,874 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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All the water vacuum manufactures say only to use their products. I've read some oils will harm the basin, like Spearmint and a couple of others. But I've used orange, pine, eucalyptus in mine for a long time now and the basin still looks flawless. I only use a few drops. I just don't like the chemicals

Post# 181606 , Reply# 38   5/17/2012 at 21:56 (2,873 days old) by joshdonnell ()        

Ive used lavender and the real deal, and orange oil and peperment . I hate chemicals all chemicals!!

Post# 181627 , Reply# 39   5/18/2012 at 01:19 (2,873 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Well, other than damaging the basin itself, which I have not experienced, what other problems could it cause? It definitely doesn't foam at all, which is a good thing. If anything, since it is (OIL), I would think it would aid in trapping some non-wettable dirt if you happen to accidentally vacuum some up.

Josh, Actually, we need some chemicals. Laundry, dishwasher, etc.

Post# 181661 , Reply# 40   5/18/2012 at 13:32 (2,872 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
I'm a Rainbow believer

I have a D4 SE that I use almost exclusively,I am always amazed at what it has in the basin when I'm finished,I have allergies and after using this machine they are greatly reduced, I can finally breath out of both sides of my nose,I know it is only exhausting clean air as I take a white tissue and wipe inside the exhaust port and it is always perfectly clean.

Post# 181667 , Reply# 41   5/18/2012 at 14:06 (2,872 days old) by joshdonnell ()        

I dont use chemicals i use vingar

Post# 181668 , Reply# 42   5/18/2012 at 14:36 (2,872 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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You use vinegar where? For carpet cleaning?

Post# 181692 , Reply# 43   5/18/2012 at 17:38 (2,872 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
i use

to clean my dishes and everythng else .

Post# 181928 , Reply# 44   5/20/2012 at 20:13 (2,870 days old) by dwhdarren97 ()        

That's quite literally disgusting... I'm sorry. Some of us might be greenies in this world but we do need chemicals to be able to clean things. I wash my rubber floor mats from my moms car in the driveway with bleach weekly. Always gives the car a fresh clean smell and I know I am killing all of the little pathogens.

Post# 182125 , Reply# 45   5/22/2012 at 14:38 (2,868 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
This is just a guess but ...

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If the scent being used in the Rainbow is a true oil, then it would be flammable.  Since oil and water don't mix, there is like a sub microscopic chance that when the machine is off, the oil would come to the surface, and if the planets are aligned just right, and earth happens to be in the path of a major solar flare, and there is a major lightning storm going on, the oil could ignite and damage the machine.  Odds are probably better that every one of us would hit the Lotto first.  :-)



Post# 182141 , Reply# 46   5/22/2012 at 17:15 (2,868 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Good point. Is essential oil true oil?

Post# 182146 , Reply# 47   5/22/2012 at 18:10 (2,868 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        

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Hi Mark,


I don't really know what essential oil is.  While most oils are flammable, I was just trying to make a joke.  Most people only put a drop or two in their Rainbows, and that probably wouldn't be enough to ignite and damage it.  That said ...  somehow the Universe likes to prove me wrong! :-)

Post# 182150 , Reply# 48   5/22/2012 at 19:25 (2,868 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
Essential Oil

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I don't know for sure, but I think essential oil is the natural oil that is extracted from a variety of different plants. 

Post# 182323 , Reply# 49   5/23/2012 at 16:39 (2,867 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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It is a natural oil extracted from fruits, plants, leaves, etc. I love the stuff and it smells much better than the chemical scents and have used it for a long time. I even read that you can make homemade daily shower cleaner using peroxide, alcohol, dish detergent, and liquid rinse aid and put a few drops of essential oil into a spray bottle to spray your shower and it seems to work good. I just wasn't sure if the word OIL was literal. I googled it and it is OIL and is actually flammable, like all oil.

But I'm not really concerned since I use only a little and it has never harmed anything. But I guess if conditions were perfect, the rainbow could explode (even though I know that was a joke.) I wonder if those bottles of Rexair scents are flammable? I'm not going to hold a flame to it and find out.

Post# 182371 , Reply# 50   5/23/2012 at 20:33 (2,867 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I vacuumed today with my Rainbow E2 and squirted some Rainbow Apple Blossom into the water pan.  It beaded up and floated on the water just like oil. 

Post# 184040 , Reply# 51   6/3/2012 at 12:22 (2,856 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

wow thats impressive. I guess do need change water for 25-30 mins.I change the water when it gets light brown/tan color. Mark Hows your water your house? I bet its softer than my hard water since my water comes from well not from city. lol

Post# 184089 , Reply# 52   6/3/2012 at 18:04 (2,856 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

I just noticed you have foam insulation on your Rainbow.

Post# 184093 , Reply# 53   6/3/2012 at 18:27 (2,856 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yes. I bought it brand spanking new in June 2006. I made absolute sure I wasn't getting a used DEMO model. So in 2006, the 2 speeds had been out for a couple of years, so I guess they made some changes in those 2 years and I got one that had insulation? I don't know. But I've read how some people think it's LOUD and I never understood that because it's not that loud at all.

My water is city water but it is HARD water. Once I made the mistake of using an ultrasonic humidifier with TAP water and it caused white dust to be ALL over the place.

The best way I can describe the way I've always changed water is when it looks like dirty mop water, still very liquid, but with cat hair in it and a brown (ish) color and when I'm done I pour it down the toilet. As it is now, I can pretty much run the entire vacuum over my entire house with ONE filling of water, because I vacuum every two days or so. If I go too long without vacuuming, I can't do that, I change it two or three times. As soon as I'm done, I clean the separator, dry it, and put it back on. Another thing you have to make sure is the water line stays perfect, which is another reason you don't want to go to long on one fill. It seems like a pain, but after doing it so much, it's second nature to me and doesn't take long at all. I've been thinking about getting this PN for my Rainbow. What do u think?

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Post# 184103 , Reply# 54   6/3/2012 at 19:28 (2,856 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

The dust care PN (the one you posted) has pretty poor quality and reliability... But it does have a VG3 and a geared belt, However you would probably be better off with a WW powerhead or a Eureka VG3 Express power head like the one in my link.

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Post# 184118 , Reply# 55   6/3/2012 at 22:30 (2,856 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Like this?

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Will this fit my Rainbow? It is 2 prong which is what my rainbow PN is and it looks as if the wand will snap right in, but I'm wondering if the two prong will fit securely since it shaped differently, also this says it's a private listing, whatever that means.

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Post# 184121 , Reply# 56   6/3/2012 at 22:39 (2,856 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

Thats the same link as before.

Post# 184124 , Reply# 57   6/3/2012 at 23:06 (2,856 days old) by rainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

go for it for power nozzle. I think the original rainbow pn does every well. I used the kenmore pn wasn't impressed how much it pick up dirt. BUT I bet those pn with VG 3 will beat more on carpet than rainbow pn. I may wrong, it should fit prong just right with no problems

Post# 184126 , Reply# 58   6/3/2012 at 23:14 (2,856 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I posted the same link again. Here's the one. Will the stainless rainbow PN wand that snap locks into the rainbow fit this? It says it's standard so I'm guessing it will.

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Post# 184127 , Reply# 59   6/3/2012 at 23:18 (2,856 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I think the Rainbow PN works well too, but I've always read terrible things about it. It definitely feels like it digs more into the carpet than any PN I've ever had before, including Kenmore and electrolux, it's also heavier and it has good brushes on it, so I don't know what the other posters are referring to, but there must be something to it, since the latest Rainbow nozzle (black) has sixty percent more suction at the nozzle. I think it might be that the airflow isn't (air tight) in the nozzle, but the opening for where the air gets sucked in doesn't look to me any wider than any other PN's I've seen. So there's nothing wrong with my current PN, I just thought I'd like to try another one to see if I see any difference.

Post# 184128 , Reply# 60   6/3/2012 at 23:20 (2,856 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

I'm not really the one to be asking if it would fit lol. I'm sure some of our other members can tell you, but either way both PN's would be great and clean much better than the standard rainbow PN. The WW is probably your best bet due to the geared belt system and an amazing brushroll.

Post# 184129 , Reply# 61   6/3/2012 at 23:21 (2,856 days old) by rainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

I those German pn are very good. that's I hear but I wonder do they beat good without beater bar

Post# 184130 , Reply# 62   6/3/2012 at 23:26 (2,856 days old) by rainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

is the brush roll bristles are stiff as Kirby brush roll on WW pn?

Post# 184132 , Reply# 63   6/3/2012 at 23:54 (2,856 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I think I'd like to try the Wessel Werk PN. It's brand new and I've seen them for much higher in price. I know a LOT of high end vacuums use it for their PN. Hopefully it will fit my Rainbow. I've seen sellers selling Rainbows with this particular PN on Ebay, but I'm not sure if any modifications were done or it will fit as is.

Post# 184182 , Reply# 64   6/4/2012 at 09:09 (2,855 days old) by rainbowJoel (Dexter NM)        

yeah it will fit on rainbow.

Post# 184548 , Reply# 65   6/6/2012 at 14:01 (2,853 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

this or need change water sooner?

Post# 184550 , Reply# 66   6/6/2012 at 14:02 (2,853 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

second picture.

Post# 184561 , Reply# 67   6/6/2012 at 16:26 (2,853 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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from what I can see, it still looks pretty liquid but brown. Definitely don't go past that point, maybe even change it a little before it gets to that point, especially if there are chunks of debris in the water

Post# 184563 , Reply# 68   6/6/2012 at 16:49 (2,853 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

its amazing u can't see that debris on carpet. lol So did u decided to buy pn yet?

Post# 184569 , Reply# 69   6/6/2012 at 17:15 (2,853 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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Hope you haven't given up on Kirby. Do you plan on doing some more restorations? I'm still enjoying my G5, used it this morning. Wanted to give my 69 a rest.


Post# 184570 , Reply# 70   6/6/2012 at 17:21 (2,853 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

From what I've see the brushes are quite a bit stiffer than Kirby... In comparison to most Kirby brushrolls are actually quite soft.

Post# 184571 , Reply# 71   6/6/2012 at 17:37 (2,853 days old) by director12 ()        

Zach, you seem to know about Kirbys, especially your grandmother's Kirby.

Post# 184574 , Reply# 72   6/6/2012 at 18:07 (2,853 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
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No, I haven't given up on Kirby!  My current house has 7,000 square feet and no "man space" where I can set up a workshop.  I have a five bay carport and no garage too!  However, there is a good sized storage room in the carport area that I'm planning to set up as a workshop.  When I get that done sometime this summer, I'll start work on a Kirby Tradition.  I gave away most of my collection when I moved last year.  But I have plenty of room to grow it again! 

Post# 184575 , Reply# 73   6/6/2012 at 18:37 (2,853 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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Keep them coming! You do an excellent job on those Kirby's they always turn out great!

Post# 184576 , Reply# 74   6/6/2012 at 18:48 (2,853 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

You must taking about older Kirby with brush roll. G5-Sentria brush rolls i am talking about because they are stiff brushes.

Post# 184587 , Reply# 75   6/6/2012 at 19:46 (2,853 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
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LOL!  Since we're on Kirby brush rolls:  I think it was with the Diamond Edition that Kirby did introduce a brush roll with much stiffer bristles.  They do a better job of setting up positive agitation. 

Post# 184589 , Reply# 76   6/6/2012 at 19:55 (2,853 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
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Thanks for the compliment!  I'm glad you're still enjoying your G5.  That is really my favorite model in the G series, and I don't even have one!  The two I've had, I gave away!  LOL!  The only G series model I own now is my Diamond Edition.  The other models I have include my 4C, 510 (not yet restored), 511 with original bag and cord (not yet restored), and my Mom's old Classic Omega.  The Tradition I'm planning to restore belongs to the church.  Our head building steward has been on our staff for 38 years.  She loves that vacuum, so I'm going to make it all shiny and new for her. 

Post# 187161 , Reply# 77   6/25/2012 at 19:00 (2,834 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

You should've changed the water a bit earlier, that water is too 'sludgy' to filter well enough.

The water in the SE (the R-4375C PN has 2 brush/beater bar) turned black & had chunks of lint & gritty sandy dirt after vacing the living room. So I changed the water after halfway through vacing the living room & went over a second round with the SE & PN2, & the water wasn't as bad as the older SE w/rectangular PN.

Even the RainMate's water turned brown after the first weeks' use. :)

Post# 187177 , Reply# 78   6/25/2012 at 23:20 (2,834 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM)        

by the way what u mean sludgy?

Post# 187204 , Reply# 79   6/26/2012 at 04:49 (2,834 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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He just means a little too much dirt in the water......

One thing I want to note:

The past two or three weeks I've been using my Epic 6500 and vacuumed every day. Yesterday I got my Rainbow out and the water was dirty, but not much cat hair.

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