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Post# 179280   4/29/2012 at 20:47 (4,372 days old) by mieles7 (TX)        

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Is it more imporstant to have a new cord that doesn't match the machine, or an original that has some exposed wiring? I prefer to have a new cord, as I will be more likely to actually use the machine, instead of letting it become another display piece.

Post# 179282 , Reply# 1   4/29/2012 at 20:50 (4,372 days old) by mieles7 (TX)        

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*important

Post# 179288 , Reply# 2   4/29/2012 at 21:07 (4,372 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        

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I won't use a cord that is damaged. I don't even like to use them if the plug end has been replaced with one of those cheep replacements. I try to get a new or newer cord that matches the old one or at least is fairly close. If I can't find one that's close then I put on what I CAN get and use it till something better comes along.
Justin


Post# 179289 , Reply# 3   4/29/2012 at 21:07 (4,372 days old) by vacumaniac ()        

I prefer to keep the original if at all possible, even if it is a bit frayed

Post# 179296 , Reply# 4   4/29/2012 at 21:39 (4,372 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Personally, I'm not a fan of electric shocks, so I prefer to replace than to stick with ones already fitted if I'm going to use a vac...

Post# 179300 , Reply# 5   4/29/2012 at 21:59 (4,372 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
To Me....

....This is a "now and later" issue. If a cord has fraying or exposed wire, then of course I replace it. If an exact match isn't available, then I use whatever is the correct gauge, and worry about a match later.

One of the nice things about replacing cords is, it's usually an easy task. Unless, of course, they're in an Electrolux cordwinder belonging to a 1205 or later machine!


Post# 179329 , Reply# 6   4/30/2012 at 05:03 (4,372 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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My 1982 Electrolux 502S has the original cord with a patch of black gaffer tape wrapped around some of it where I presume the rubber has cracked, but I haven't removed the tape so I don't know anything else about it.

I suppose I probably should take the tape off sometime and check, but what I think has probably happened is the rubber has cracked but the wires inside still have their rubber intact.

At least I hope that's what's happened!


Post# 179333 , Reply# 7   4/30/2012 at 05:24 (4,372 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        
"Personally, I'm not a fan of electric shocks"

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I'll bear that in mind! Ha ha!

Post# 179360 , Reply# 8   4/30/2012 at 07:27 (4,371 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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having suffered more than my share of electric shocks I always replace the cord with a high quality silicone cable in the matching colour. I have red, orange grey white tan brown dark browm black and yellow reals of the stuff.

 

If the cord is frayed it could spark when you are using it an set your carpet on fire or atleast leave a nice small burnt patch, happened to me before.

 

Vintage machines are lovely to use and great to admire but remember they tend to be metal and your life is worth more than the look of the cord. On old cords the earth strap could be broken and you would never know until something goes ver very wrong and you touch the unit.

 

This happened to me on my beautiful Royal 215 and it hurt allot

 

ALWAY TEST THE EARTH OF THE MACHINE PLEASE   


Post# 179366 , Reply# 9   4/30/2012 at 08:01 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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After hearing that Gareth I'm glad that all my machines (including my '77 Ranger) are Double Insulated!

Post# 179369 , Reply# 10   4/30/2012 at 09:15 (4,371 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Yea models with double insulated electrical systems are better. Its the real old ones , from the 40 and before that are scary stuff. 

 

The last thing you want is your wife, partner, who ever walking in to find a crispy smoking version of you stuck to a old vacuum while attempting to clean the carpet 


Post# 179373 , Reply# 11   4/30/2012 at 10:41 (4,371 days old) by papasvacs (Lauderdale Lakes, FL)        
Hmmmmm....

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I guess I'll go with safety and try to get a cord that is identical or, at least, as close as psossible.

 

Don't like the idea of becoming a "crispy critter."  My hair is not curly now and don't want it to become curly or extinct as a result of using of my vac.


Post# 179394 , Reply# 12   4/30/2012 at 15:04 (4,371 days old) by akabent (LEFT Coast)        
"if at all possible"

I'm with Derek.  Although it needs to be safe, some minor fraying (no copper exposed) is no big deal to me though I of course prefer a wonderful, intact, original cawd (lol). If it can be salvaged, and especially if it maintains its original plug, I'm all for keeping it!

RB 


Post# 179396 , Reply# 13   4/30/2012 at 15:13 (4,371 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Gareth:

Well, of course, electricity is more dangerous where you are, being, I understand, 220-240v. That's like the U.K. - their current will weld you to the wall if something goes wrong.

American/Canadian 110v current is not quite as dangerous, but still something for which one should have every respect.


Post# 179413 , Reply# 14   4/30/2012 at 15:49 (4,371 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The Electricity Safety Council wedbiste has some useful videos. They are not for the feint hearted.

Post# 179414 , Reply# 15   4/30/2012 at 15:49 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Talking of electric shocks I just got a mild shock from my microwave when I had it running, unplugged it and touched the live and neutral prongs by accident (when it was fully unplugged). Not nice!

Post# 179415 , Reply# 16   4/30/2012 at 15:54 (4,371 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That happens a lot. It is when a capacitor in the machine still has current in it. All Moulinex appliances were a nightmare for this, as were some Hoover Turbopower cleaners and many brands of white goods. I am no expert in electronics, I just know that the addition of another piece of circuitry, a resister I think, is often used across the capacitor to stop the user getting a jolt. Sometimes the current is felt when touched the N and E terminals on an earthed appliance.

Post# 179421 , Reply# 17   4/30/2012 at 16:11 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes you are right Benny. Microwaves have a capacitor in them that holds electricity after power off. It is the same if you're working on a microwave, you should take great care as that capacitor can leave the internals "charged" for some time.

Post# 179426 , Reply# 18   4/30/2012 at 16:17 (4,371 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Sandy 

Actually you have a higher percentage of been injured than I do due to the fact that 110v ha higher amps than 220v. 

 

I have shocked my self a few times over the years but the one I remember the most and that landed me a trip in the bus with disco lights to the hospital was 110v

Gareth  


Post# 179430 , Reply# 19   4/30/2012 at 16:21 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        
"bus with disco lights"

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Not to be facetious, but that caused me to burst out laughing!

Post# 179446 , Reply# 20   4/30/2012 at 16:58 (4,371 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Gareth:

I will take your word for it! I have little taste for experimenting with electricity; my dad worked with it in his job (television repair, back in the '50s and '60s, when high voltage ruddy well MEANT high voltage), and I saw him get shocked a few times.

Sorry you've had the same experience.


Post# 179447 , Reply# 21   4/30/2012 at 17:02 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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An electric shock is a funny feeling. It isn't painful, just a strange numbing sensation.

Post# 179490 , Reply# 22   4/30/2012 at 20:39 (4,371 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"It isn't painful, just a strange numbing sensation.

I'd dispute that, when I was repairing the motor in the washing machine, I placed my hand on the motor to make sure it wasn't getting hot after replacing the carbon brushes, and I managed to place one of my fingers onto one of the contacts for the brushes, and then noticed a wisp of smoke coming from said finger, then the pain hit and I leapt about four feet in the air, hand still smoking, almost landing on the pile of scrap metal that was in the workshop at the time...... :S

The washer was fine after that ordeal though, and is still running today... :P


Post# 179521 , Reply# 23   5/1/2012 at 01:28 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I suppose people feel pain differently.

I bet you'll be more careful when doing any other work on that washer eh ?


Post# 179524 , Reply# 24   5/1/2012 at 02:53 (4,371 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I have had various sensations when been shocked , from the tingeling sensation to the thrown off my feet.

Years ago I went on a off road trip with a friend , in the pouring rain our old landdrover  defender broke down I was standing in a pool of water checking the HT leads when he "accidently" tried to start the engine. It zapped me so hard I flew aa few feet backwards into a nice thorny bush. that wasa 12v battery . do this day I still question his accident everytime we get together for a beer. Little $#!t !!!!!  

Electricity of any voltage can injure or kill you be careful

 

Jmurry bus with disco lights 

that's there Nickname here :) 

Gareth 


Post# 179526 , Reply# 25   5/1/2012 at 03:14 (4,371 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ah, the famous HT lead one! I've heard that many times before, usually from somebody who touches them while the engine is running and also touches the metal bonnet (hood) at the same time. Luckily I've never done that.

Post# 179553 , Reply# 26   5/1/2012 at 11:21 (4,370 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"I bet you'll be more careful when doing any other w

Nah, it's a Creda, it's lasted about 10-12 (possibly more cos I don't actually know how old it is) years with only a replaced door hinge and new carbon brushes (and new fill hoses, but that's cos the mother's ex destroyed the old ones by wedging them behind the washer and they got crushed & split), it just keeps on truckin' with hardly any maintenance... :P

I would prefer a Hotpoint Supermatic 9404 twintub though... :P

As for HT leads in cars, well, that's not 12 volts, that's a few thousand volts courtesy of the ignition coil pack, enough to jump the gap in the spark plug, and enough to hurl people about if they happen to "jump the gap" as it were... :S


Post# 179567 , Reply# 27   5/1/2012 at 13:05 (4,370 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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True and the engine fitted was one of those with a coil per cyclinder. UM defenders are built tough but there rover v8 had a habit of um not working so it was replaced with a v8 from a lexus 


Post# 179569 , Reply# 28   5/1/2012 at 13:48 (4,370 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Well, only Rover thought their V8 was reliable, especially if it was the 3.5L... :P

Plus it was based on a rejected GM V8 engine (too small for the US market, apparently), and they're not terribly reliable either... :P


Post# 179584 , Reply# 29   5/1/2012 at 15:46 (4,370 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Trust General Motors to reject a V8 because it is "too small", ha ha!

Post# 183011 , Reply# 30   5/28/2012 at 23:26 (4,343 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)        
carpet fires

I once caught the carpet on fire with my Kirby G4, though the strange part is that the cord wasnt freyd or anything at all. infact we had the vacuum for a year, maybe less. i was about 2 years when it happend. scared the crap out of me.

Post# 183037 , Reply# 31   5/29/2012 at 07:26 (4,342 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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There must have been a crack in the insulation of the flex which let a bit of the copper wire get through and ignite the carpet.

Some cracks can be hard to see - Like the one in my pot :)



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