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Post# 176013   4/5/2012 at 17:49 (4,374 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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I recently won an action on eBay for a TOL Brillance. Normally I am not terribly interested in Riccars, but this one was selling for hundreds of dollars less than the MSRP, plus I had the money, so I bid and won. I am very excited. This will be the first vacuum I've ever used with two suction motors. The demos online look amazing.
I will post some more about it when Fedex delivers it. Until then, have any of you used one of Tacony's Tandem Air machines and what do you think of it? CLICK HERE TO GO TO bagintheback's LINK |
Post# 176017 , Reply# 1   4/5/2012 at 18:00 (4,374 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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Riccar products are awesome. The 1800 is the best canister, next to Miele. Supralite cleans better than an Oreck, and works with the Bissell Prolite from the early 2000's. |
Post# 176317 , Reply# 3   4/8/2012 at 10:50 (4,371 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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I agree. The 1700 and 1800 rock. |
Post# 176422 , Reply# 4   4/9/2012 at 04:09 (4,371 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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the only thing on the Riccar 1700-1800,since these are full size canisters-wished they used a larger bag.The small bag it uses fills quickly-esp if you use the excellent power nozzles that these machines have. |
Post# 177011 , Reply# 5   4/13/2012 at 19:42 (4,366 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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I've been using the Brilliance for about an hour now, and have not been entirely impressed. Had I payed over $900 like Riccar would like me to, I would be disappointed. First of all, the hose is extremely short. I tried to clean some air vents today,(which are located on the ceiling here in AZ) and I could barely reach them. My $80 Bissell can do this easily. The metal wands also seem cheap, but still better than plastic. The bag is also very small. I would expect something larger from something in this price range, but I have heard these bags can be stuffed and still provide suction. The suction from the bypass motor is quite week. I am using a used bag and filter, but still, quite low.
One thing I am surprised to find is that the vacuum only draws 11amps when both motors are running. I wonder how the power is divided. A 5amp direct motor is pretty good, but the bypass motor's RPM must be pretty slow at that power. But whatever they draw, the vacuum does clean well.My carpet does feel cleaner after I vacuumed thoroughly. Like when I step on a carpet after being vacuumed by my Dyson, it doesn't feel too clean. The Riccar really fluffs up the fibers and feels clean. I think this has more to do with the brush-roll than the extra airflow, but gets the job done. The vacuum is also much quieter than you'd think it would be. It's not much louder than my Kirby Tradition. One thing I would change about the setup is this: The direct air motor does not shut off when you lock the vacuum upright. You either have to turn it off on the handle, or switch it to tool mode. There is a knob that you have to turn to divert the suction to the hose. There is some switch the turns off the direct air motor when you move it to tools. It would be much easier to just switch it off when you put the handle upright. I know the model was made 4 years ago, so Tacony might have changed it this. So far, I say if you have a $1000 to spend on a vacuum, a Kirby is a better choice. But for what I spent, it's not bad. I still think my Dyson DC14 is easier to use. But we will see, maybe I'll fall in love with it. |
Post# 177128 , Reply# 8   4/14/2012 at 16:27 (4,365 days old) by joshdonnell ()   |   | |
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nothings gonna be perfect |
Post# 177661 , Reply# 9   4/19/2012 at 22:09 (4,360 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Tomorrow I will have owned the Riccar for a week. I have been using it everyday since it's arrival. Here are my thought on the experience:
I can not get over how short the hose is. It is terribly limeting. Paired with the low suction the bypass motor provides, it is not very useful. I have been vacuuming the upstairs bedroom everyday now, which I do not normally do, and the carpet does feel softer. I do think this is because of the aggressive brushroll and extra airflow from the Riccar. I have not found a vacuum that leaves carpet feeling this clean, but some have come close. The Riccar is also very good at cleaning bare floors. The odor filter seems to be useless. The vacuums does emit a dirty smell after prolonged use. Again, these are used filters, and the smell is not as bad as cheaper machines, but a $900 vacuum should not produce any odors. I still say I prefer the Dyson DC14 over this. The hose is extremely long, the suction is fantastic, and I can empty it with ease. It may not clean as well as the Riccar, but at least I can clean my ceiling fans without lifting a 23 pound upright. But nothing will ever beat a central vac...... I do think I payed a fair price for such a machine so I will keep it has part of my collection and use it regularly. Now I do have one question. If I listen very closely, the direct-air motor sounds very similar to a Supralite/Freedom motor. Could Tacony be using the same motor in the Tandem Air machines? |
Post# 177666 , Reply# 10   4/19/2012 at 22:51 (4,360 days old) by mieles7 (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 177723 , Reply# 12   4/20/2012 at 11:02 (4,359 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Good question. I'm not sure if this is possible, but the bypass motor seems to be designed to create airflow, not suction. Like if you put a turbine-nozzle on the end of the hose, it will spin the brush, but when you place to on the carpet, it bogs down immediately. But when you have only the bypass motor on directed to the nozzle, you can hear tons of airflow from the bottom of the machine. It could be the way the air paths are set up, but there is a lot of audible airflow from the bypass motor.
I do think my opinion will change slightly once I use it on other types of carpet. My grandparent's have carpet almost shag length, and I'm thinking it will do an excellent job there. |