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Miele S2 Versus Miele S5
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Post# 173462   3/16/2012 at 09:32 (2,943 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So, what do you think - given that the S2 series uses the same dust bag as the S5. What's your thoughts? Is the S5 automatically better?




Post# 173474 , Reply# 1   3/16/2012 at 10:25 (2,943 days old) by Sanifan ()        

It has a higher number. It has to be better! :P

Post# 173486 , Reply# 2   3/16/2012 at 11:15 (2,943 days old) by venson ()        
Nobody asked me but . . .

Hi,

I just checked this out -- in the U.S. Miele is trying to peddle, roughly, eighteen models that are canisters. To that I say -- c'mon already!

In my opinion, S2s are superfluous additions to Miele's line and the effort is insulting to the whit's worth of intelligence I have left as I approach dotage. Since two participants are usually needed to play a game -- and that's what this is -- what I think is that the public should give them the finger on this one. Unfortunately, not all my faculties have left me and I know perfectly well people won't do that just for the sake of saying, "Oh, I own a Miele."

Miele as in, "Oh, we can do that too," is merely trying to make and maintain a seemingly more competitive line to run against other more affordable canisters made by makers that have had affordability in mind since the day they started. Same size bag (and same size consumable cost) is a little silly.

Despite the amount of money spent, I have no interest in a vacuum beyond 150 bucks that doesn't allow me the option to at least add on a PN, etc., if I so desire. The S5s are not behemoths should suffice just about anywhere. If someone doesn't like it they should look for a smaller, cheaper brand which they will probably find does the same job as good or well as Miele. The deal would be far more worth the money than they'll be expected to lay out merely for a "name."

This practice of flooding the market with countless models with no significant/useful variance between is confusing almost to the point of being annoying due to the needlessness of it and also makes me begin to wonder at the quality of what's being sold.

I hate rants about the way things used to be as it's a new day -- even if the malarkey is still the same -- but I like the idea of no more than three models of anything. Let them go for a "deluxe" top-of-the-line offering with all the bells and whistles they can tag on, then a mid-line version that doesn't carry everything but allows for adding options if so desired. And then finally, a bare-bones "economy" model.

Some refer to attempting to be all things to all people as "doing business." I call it just plain old whoring.



Post# 173489 , Reply# 3   3/16/2012 at 11:53 (2,943 days old) by Sanifan ()        
I agree...

I'm of the mind that a vacuum company should have somewhere around 5 well-defined, well positioned products in, let's say, their canister line. Any more and it becomes way too confusing for the consumer.

I don't want to spend an afternoon dedicated to educating myself on the little ins and outs of 18 models of one manufacturer's canister offerings. I want to look on that sheet, clearly understand what the differences are, and know that the item I purchased isn't edged out just a little bit by that other vac that I didn't know was better for my needs because the info got lost and confused in a sea of nitpicky details and choices that I, as a consumer, am expected to manage. Just give me 5 well-defined choices and one of those should suit me.

Anyway, I feel that way about a lot of companies that put out way to many variations of their product.


Post# 173500 , Reply# 4   3/16/2012 at 14:13 (2,943 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Miele S2 versus Miele S5

Venson,
You could not have said it better! I was thinking the SAME thing. Why have so many different machines that are JUST the same.
It is kind of an insult to my thinking. I have noticed even the dealers on You Tube have difficulty trying to explain all the different colors,lines and features. It is very confusing. This is one reason I have not bought a Miele along with the high cost of bags,filters. I just don't like the idea of paying a high price to store dirt and filth in the closet from week to week. I sure don't "save" my other household garbage in the closet and buy expensive garbage bags to keep the odor down.
Do some you remember when Hoover used to have 2 good uprights (for example the Hoover Convertibles) and a good canister. Then they started making them in all colors and for all different companies and the more models they had,the more they were the same machine. As the years went by they kept removing the quality and name until there was nothing left.
Electrolux took a different route. They had the G or 1205 and if could not afford that machine you bought an L. Only 2 models.


Post# 173514 , Reply# 5   3/16/2012 at 17:52 (2,943 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Well

Id rather store the filth then mess with a water bucket. When you buy a water vacuum all your really getting is a bucket with a motor really. I could do better .

Post# 173524 , Reply# 6   3/16/2012 at 18:53 (2,943 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
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The main difference is the S2's are not a sealed system, whereas the S5's, S6's and S7's are. Rubber bumbers are also missing.....Supposedly these were made as entry level vacuums for people who could not afford more expensive Miele's.



Bud Mattingly
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Post# 173526 , Reply# 7   3/16/2012 at 19:02 (2,943 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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sounds correct to me Bud

Post# 173540 , Reply# 8   3/16/2012 at 20:05 (2,943 days old) by venson ()        
@pr-21 . . .

Hi Bud,

Thanks for the info. I feel almost forced to send the company a letter of thanks for leaving the wheels on.:)

However, if the plan was as you say, I think they've gone wrong and I also think that the company is sullying the name it's obviously worked quite a while to make for itself. Miele has long made its fortune by offering specialty. At least, that's what I went to Miele to buy. Fail to offer that, then why would I buy? I can get no seals, no bumpers plus none of nothing else for a hundred bucks, and even less, elsewhere.

Venson


Post# 173547 , Reply# 9   3/16/2012 at 20:54 (2,943 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        

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While the S2 uses the GN bag shared with the S5, the bag chamber will not allow the bag to inflate to its full potential.  And, as Bud mentioned, the S2 is not a sealed system.  Also, the S2 shares the same motor with the S6 and S7 machines, while the S5 employs a larger motor.  For the same price point as the S2, the S6 is a better constructed machine and it's sealed.  Its only downfall is the use of the smaller FJM bag...

 

No matter what type of vacuum (paper bagged, reusable cloth bag, melt blown polypropylene bagged, filtered bagless, cylconic bagless and water-filtered) some form of filth will always remain in the machine and in its filters.  We must not forget the attachments and hose which will also accumulate filth, even after one use.

 

As for vacuums used in the most demanding of situations, those used for dry hazardous material recovery or in cleanroom environments, they all share one similarity - they're bagged...


Post# 173561 , Reply# 10   3/16/2012 at 22:23 (2,943 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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I, too, could not understand Miele risking it's good name by entering into the low end market to artificially increase sales.

But then I am not one of the avaricious stakeholders of Miele Corp seeking to rape profits in this disastrous doomed from the start Globalization Economy model that has plunged our world into the sorry state it is now in...until I delved into the situation a mite bit deeper

 

"Review - Miele S2 Series Econo Line Canister Vacuums
The Miele S2 Economy line offers many features found in the S6 & S5 series units at an economical price point meant to attract those looking for an entry level vacuum cleaner.  Missing from the Miele S2 Contour, Miele S2 Momentum and Miele S2 Continuum are the sealed body and bag compartments.  This is vital to ensuring true sealed HEPA filtration which cannot be offered on the S2 models.  The Miele S6 and Miele S5 canister models also offer more robust plastics to ensure durability and performance."

 

This last statement pretty much asserts that Miele believes - and trusts - that the bumperless thin plastic carcases will fail quickly and perhaps they believe that this will drive the majority of owners to upgrade? I don't think so...

 

It would not surprise me to learn that Miele has sub-contracted the manufacture of the S2 to the PRC.

 

A long standing, successful and well-respected Vacuum Cleaner Dealership in London Ontario Canada is McHardy Vacuum; they pull no punches comparing the S2 to the rest of the Miele line-up.

 

Entry level? The S2 Contour retails for $499.99 at Sears Canada while Costco has it listed at $399.

Canadian Tire has the S2 Momentum for $599.99 while Future Shop will sell you either the Contour or the Momentum for the above prices.

From a quick Canadian survey it would appear that the S2 is not available at Miele vacuum Shops but being dumped at the Big Box stores here.

I smack my forehead at the gullibility of the uneducated consumer.

 

I also noticed that in Canada the Dealership's Contour and Momentum models are in fact the superior S4. Some hapless folks will be confused by the same model names and flock to the Big Box for a perceived 'deal'. McHardy does indeed guarantee to match any other price but since they don't sell the S2...well, Miele is doing legitimate shops a dis-service duplicating the model name on two decidedly different quality machines. Meile Canada will say it is not competeing with Vacuum Shops but they are engaging in deception through mis-direction.

 




 

This blog comment pretty much sums up the important differences -

"needs to be a simple, reliable work horse,store compactly, do its job well. would like on-board storage. do not want electric wand/telescope. will buy parquet floor attachment.

miele- s2 Olympus- cheapest, lightest while using the largest bag. i really thought this was a perfect first vacuum but it lacks on-board storage and does not store upright/compactly. made in china? skimped on finish and uses lesser quality attachments, uses the largest bag but is it able to fill it up within the compact canister?

s5 ariel or pisces- basic s5 models. hepa filter, non electric wand, uses largest bag and stores compactly. finish and quality of materials is better than the s2 class, but is it more than $200 better quality/materials vs the olympus?

skipping the s4 group b/c they use a smaller bag but is midsize?

 

The Public at large is not as universally stoopid as Miele could hope!

 

 

Dave



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Post# 173562 , Reply# 11   3/16/2012 at 22:31 (2,943 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Miele S2 versus Miele S5

Bud
I agree with you that does seem to be the difference of not having the sealed system. The problem I see with this route is that the whole concept of buying a Miele was to get a very good filtering,quiet machine with unique top of the line features. I can go to Walmart and buy a cheap plastic canister off the shelf.
It would be like BMW building a car and then removing everything that makes it a BMW.


Post# 173566 , Reply# 12   3/16/2012 at 23:18 (2,943 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thank you so far for the replies. My honest opinion:

The S2 was designed to offer buyers on a budget, a cut price S5 - but I never really thought the S2 should ever have been released - not when the S4 and now, S6 is still the smaller canister in the family and relies on the smaller FJM bags, which also competes on capacity with Bosch, Sebo, Hoover et al. The same FJM in the S4 and S6 measure 3.5 litres whereas the older S300, S500 et al series allows a bigger capacity to 4 litres - and gave buyers the premium feel without sacrificing Miele "standard" features.

In the UK for example, before the S2 came to market, Miele solely relied on their S281, S371, S381 (shown below), a hardy, heavy robust vacuum cleaner that kept the tools inside and relied heavily on older model design. I had that one for many years before a friend in need, needed a vacuum to replace her long standing 1990's S571, a model that I already owned and so we swapped over, with minor repair to mouldings and pedal replacements I did myself. I like the older Miele models - everything is on board instead of flexible, silly plastic holders that clip to the hose end, sit externally and whether they are designed to lock in by pushing them far enough, they're still liable to fall off when or if the vacuum cleaner knocks against a skirting board or a wall or whatever.

I don't know what the situation is in the U.S where the S2 is concerned - but against the S500, S300, S4, S6 and S5 series, the S2 budget range comes with far shorter suction pipes, and they're not telescopic height adjustable - and I initially thought they were all the same. So when it comes to recommending, I stay clear of the S2 - for the cost prices that start on average at 149-00 against the normal 199 (John Lewis are currently doing a special discount deal at 149 currently for the bas S5211), you're getting a bit more with "standard features," like tools that can be safely hidden away, slightly longer telescopic "one piece" suction pipes that extend to 2, 1 metre more on the power cable length - and uses the same dust bag.

I thought Miele were the best however until I discovered the other German brands, Bosch and Sebo. Bosch is the cheapest out of the 3 with SEBO being in the middle and Miele's endless run of non-essential canister models that change per floor head spec and colours. Sebo's attention to "actual use" could teach Miele a thing or two from lighter 500g telescopic tubing and longer hose lengths, which in effect, when in use, you've got a lighter principle when it comes to handling. If Sebo and Bosch can make telescopic height adjustable tubes that weigh less than 500g whereas the Miele tubes are unnecessarily heavier and shorter hoses against Sebo's bigger length, several of SEBO's canisters may not look good, but they have a better design generally for use. Miele's only lightweight component, for the meantime is the basic "fibreteq" suction only-pedal floor head that comes with the base S2 models but when you have heavier suction pipes for that to lock onto, it doesn't make much sense.

The downside to Bosch is that everything fits friction style, so if you haven't jammed the tools, the pipes and the floor heads on firm enough, they're liable to fall off - and taking them on/off when required to use the smaller, cheaper produced cleaning tools isn't as easy. Bosch hoses are also pretty small on length but the mains power cord lengths are usually longer than Miele.

Miele's biggest mistake is not updating their stick vacuums - and ceasing production of selling them in the UK. Other European countries seem to love the mains powered stick vacuum idea and it looks as if Miele are cost cutting for the sake of not producing a model that would give buyers more versatility as well as another upright in the range that would not inflict damage to S7 sales. The D'Art was a fantastic, if not unique idea but many of the models suffered from clogging because of the its "L" shape suction channel - plus they were all suction only models, which kind of defeated the purpose based on its general design.






Post# 173573 , Reply# 13   3/17/2012 at 00:12 (2,943 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        

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Costs are reduced as the S2 is made on a fully automated assembly line at Miele's plant in Bielefeld, Germany.  This vacuum is NOT made in China.

 

The S2 is an excellent vacuum in the department store setting.  While it is not sealed and has a reduction in components and less plastic, it still retains high-quality components and Miele's in-house manufactured motor.  Truth be told, it's probably one of the best built vacuums available at a department store in Canada.

 

Canadian Tire's S2 Contour is $100.00 more because it comes standard with the STB 205-3 Turbobrush.

  

I own a S2 Momentum and while it is not my favorite machine out of the ten Miele's I own, it still is an excellent vacuum.  While not as refined as other Miele's, it does exactly what it was designed to do and does it well.

 


 

The whole Contour, Momentum and Continuum names through multiple lines does get rather confusing, though... 


Post# 173612 , Reply# 14   3/17/2012 at 02:34 (2,943 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
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Someone mentioned Mchardy's vacuum. I have bought from them and they indeed are a great vac shop. Since I live in Ohio, I knew it would void the warranty on the Miele S5 Venus and S5 Jupiter, that I purchased at separate times. Graham could not have been more helpful and made sure I knew about the warranty issue before I purchased. The shipping was fast and very reasonable. I had each one of them within a few days, which is almost unheard of when coming from Canada, due to custom checks......If I remember correctly, they used Fed Ex.

Anyway another point to this is someone mentioned so many models. Miele Canada only shows 3 S5's on their website. Maybe Venson they are going to change that in the US as well or do people in the US drive all these colors. I will admit that I bought the Jupiter from Canada partly due to the Blue Color, the Capricorn here was silver and I do not like that color at all.

One other thing, Miele came out with a smaller turbo brush that is only sold in their new car care kit for $150.00 in the US. McHardys has it for sale separately, which I am going to buy sometime soon from McHardy's. I already have the other tools in the car care kit....


Sincerely,

Bud Mattingly


Post# 173649 , Reply# 15   3/17/2012 at 08:24 (2,942 days old) by venson ()        
@pr-21 . . .

Hi Bud,

I put in the link for the U.S. page just for Miele canister offerings below. It's way too much for the everyday consumer. They nearly repeat the same by way of the S7, an upright I love. They only need one "electronic" model and a lesser priced model with the dial. However, Miele's gone overboard on that too with six models bearing not much discernible difference other than color.

Best,

Venson


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Post# 173651 , Reply# 16   3/17/2012 at 08:38 (2,942 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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One of the reasons manufacturers offer a huge line up is that not every store is going to carry every model and that some models may be exclusive to certain stores. ( especially the upmarket stores) We also have an insane amount of Miele canisters on our market some the same machine with different model no and the only difference is the colour. Its marketing that's all

Post# 173656 , Reply# 17   3/17/2012 at 08:47 (2,942 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Luckily the UK doesn't suffer from excess S2 models - we originally had 2 (red model and a blue model) and then exclusive colour models came in, like a all in white model (similar to the one shown on thread 173561.) and now a black/grey model. Just colour changes and price hikes!

One of the things I hate about the S2 is when you open the main door and just push the door slightly back a bit more than it will go - you'll then see the suction control dial and its panel bend inwards!!


Post# 173908 , Reply# 18   3/18/2012 at 13:23 (2,941 days old) by Koobam ()        

Unless you're suffering from cancer - any vacuum with a HEPA bag even 1/4 as good as a genuine Miele bag will provide more than enough filtration. So having a German-made vacuum with a 20 year lasting motor that can take a HEPA filter and a bag that already provides WAY more than a enough filtration from the get go is a great choice and NOT going to cause instant death...


The S2 is frickin' great!! It allows for the purchase of an incredibly well built machine at a price point more entry-level buyers can afford. What's so terrible about this?


It's STILL A GERMAN MADE MIELE - no PRC here. And will last at least 20 years with proper caring use.


Post# 174266 , Reply# 19   3/21/2012 at 10:01 (2,938 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
It allows for the purchase of an incredibly well built machi

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I dont think its incredibly well built - as Bud points out - it isn't sealed and this was one reason to why I created the thread as well as holding a genuine interest. I'm also a fan of the S4000 range and didn't take to the S2000 in the UK. S2 models start at around 109 against Bosch models that are similar on capacity, yet better built. Cheapest canister vacuum is 60 from Electrolux.

The plastics are thinner than those on the S4, the bag doesn't inflate out properly, the mains cord is shorter. As someone else has pointed out, I don't think it adds to Miele's reputation as building quality vacuums. Miele did well with the S4. They should have stopped then instead of confusing model names like the S6 (buyers who have existing S5 models may assume the S6 is the replacement, instead of it being the S4's successor.)


Post# 174290 , Reply# 20   3/21/2012 at 16:33 (2,938 days old) by Koobam ()        
So?

It's still quality plastics I'd wager, the motor will last forever, you're getting the quality near-indestructible hose, and it CAN take a HEPA filter if you're about to die from cancer in a week...


Sealed or not it's *WAYYY* more than enough filtration for the average user. People get way too caught up in the filtration hype that it's misleading. A vintage metal Electrolux canister with a HEPA bag will provide ample filtration, for starters - so a Miele with it's legendary bag quality AND even just a Clean-Air filter is a machine I'd bet would do fine even in a hospital.

I still think the S2's are great but would, indeed, save my money and get the cheapest S5 they make - and how does the bag not inflate properly?? That sounds completely false to me.


Post# 174305 , Reply# 21   3/21/2012 at 18:41 (2,938 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
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Mieles the best screww the rest haha

Post# 174313 , Reply# 22   3/21/2012 at 20:41 (2,938 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Koobam,
Hello fellow Hoosier! Do you know if they do use Miele's in hospitals?
I know that NASA bought Rainbows as did the University of Utah for use in "clean rooms". I was reading where the "clean room" has to be 10,000 times cleaner than a hospital operating room. I had been told Filter Queens were used at a Nuclear Plant years ago too.

I never had problems with dust allergies and asthma until the last few years and now no way would an Electrolux work for me even though love the Electrolux machines.
Even with my Dyson, which filter very well will not work because I have to deal with dumpimg the dust bin.

I do agree with you that if a person did not have allergies a Electrolux should be fine.


Post# 174317 , Reply# 23   3/21/2012 at 22:22 (2,938 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Rainbow

Rainbows cant filter everything . No vacuum can

Post# 174336 , Reply# 24   3/22/2012 at 05:42 (2,938 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Miele S2 versus Miele S5

Josh,
This thread is about the Miele S2 machine versus the Miele S5. It has nothing to do with Rainbow vacuums. I only made the reference to Rainbow because it is a fact that Rainbows have been purchased to be used in "clean room" situations. Another poster said the Miele could be used in a hospital. My question was -has the Miele S2 been used in hospitals or clean room situations?
Almost all vacuum companies now claim Hepa filtration and as one person who deals with asthma I am always interested in that aspect of a vacuuum cleaner.





Post# 174338 , Reply# 25   3/22/2012 at 06:23 (2,938 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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My question would be-what is the advantage to the S2, if the buyer needs to upgrade the type of bag,filter and add the power nozzle to get the performance and filter level of a Miele?
It seems like it would be like buying a Chevrolet and adding all the extra cost options and then when you get done you still have a Chevrolet not a Cadillac.
Would it not be better to buy a lower tier S5 with the better plastic and seals in the first place?
I would just hope they added a longer hose,power cord and full size attachments as that seems to be the complaint I read about the Miele's over and over again.
When I went in for the Miele demonstation I noticed the hose was short, the tools were small. It was very quiet which I liked but it did have a dusty smell when the guy turned the machine on. The machine I was looking at did have an upgrade on the power nozzle and an upgrade on the fuller brush. I loved the yellow color.


Post# 174341 , Reply# 26   3/22/2012 at 07:03 (2,938 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Koobam

Shame you don't put your money where your mouth is. Miele motors don't last forever. Mine didn't last on my S4 and I've heard similar stories online from owners where moisture, damp rooms where a Miele vacuum is stored over time can get damaged. The motors aren't well built for protection.

William

Miele don't really make upgraded dust bags - all the current machines above 1600 watts (you'd have to find the U.S equivalent) now use sythetic high filter disposable dust bags. Machines with the lower wattages use paper bags from Miele but liable to burst if you try them in the current machines.

Maybe in the U.S where the models are more selective over specs, but the S2's in the UK suffer from 2 separate suction pipes that are shorter in height compared to the S5 & S6 standard, lighter suction only floor head, and a shorter amount of power cord. I think the hoses are slightly smaller too. Certainly if I was ever in the market for the S2, I'd have to kit the machine out with better tools to custom build my needs - but then we have that opportunity in the UK to custom build thanks to Miele selling the products and accessories online - therefore you can also upgrade the filter system easily - but of course it costs - to your needs.

If the U.S had a high spec S2 model, there could be a question in justifying why you would buy the base S5 model over a high spec S2, and thus no wonder there would be some confusion. Clearly owners on here know of the differences - the bag chamber that holds the bag in the S2 is smaller than the S5, thus the bag won't inflate to it's fullest size, making it last longer.

The S2's are a good design - on paper - but even the S5 is saddled with a short amount of cord compared to rival brands.



Post# 174351 , Reply# 27   3/22/2012 at 08:50 (2,937 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Sebo fan,
Thanks for your input. When I go back and look at the picture you can see the bag somewhat folded at the back of the compartment.


Post# 174368 , Reply# 28   3/22/2012 at 12:36 (2,937 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
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A miele motor will last 20 years if you take care of it . Maybe yours didnt ad long because you didnt take care of like changing the premotor filter Or the bag

Post# 174435 , Reply# 29   3/22/2012 at 21:18 (2,937 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Nope Josh - filters were fine- elderly relative in my home picked up what she thought was grit by the door following heavy winter. It was snow encrusted grit - result being bag got totally wet, when the cylinder/canister was stored upright, gravity laws intervened, water hit the base of the bag and dampened the useless thin motor filter - hey ho - no surprise to find motor totally guffed once the filter got damp. Lesson learnt the hard way and a perfectly good S4 totally ruined!




Post# 174443 , Reply# 30   3/22/2012 at 22:00 (2,937 days old) by Koobam ()        
sebo_fan

That's YOUR fault. One time I crashed a car, it actually got damaged - absolutely awful car because it wasn't impervious to user error.


Frickin' physics and science man...just not fair :/


Post# 174484 , Reply# 31   3/23/2012 at 04:32 (2,937 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes I suppose it is - but Miele motors do not last 20 years. You can read about several faults online simply by Googling. No brand is perfect, not even Sebo, even if in the UK their uprights top the reliability stats and Miele's older cylinders top the cylinder reliability.

Post# 174509 , Reply# 32   3/23/2012 at 09:03 (2,936 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
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Well if youtake care of it will last. I know mine will because i take car of mine! Unlike some people

Post# 174656 , Reply# 33   3/24/2012 at 06:12 (2,936 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well it is interesting that my older S571's can take any knock to them, hide scrapes better on their black plastic bodies and feel a lot more durable. But then they're a lot heavier to the current machines on the market.

Post# 175037 , Reply# 34   3/27/2012 at 17:40 (2,932 days old) by venson ()        
Dumb me! I didn't smell the coffee . . .

Actually I was looking for something else when I discovered that the last of Miele's S4s have been "retired". Other than the 5000 or 6000 series, there's no choice but the S2s. Even with the reduction, I still counted 20 models total, 16 of which -- needed or not -- offer the sealed system.

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Post# 234056 , Reply# 36   5/26/2013 at 09:34 (2,507 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I have the S2 Titan, frustrates the heck out of me.

Post# 234065 , Reply# 37   5/26/2013 at 12:27 (2,507 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well I finally sold the S2111 I had. I couldn't wait to get rid of it.  Another couple of weaknesses soon became apparent with this vacuum compared to the better S5:

 

  1. The hose on the UK market ones measure 1.5 metres compared to the Miele standard of 1.8 metres making this kind of machine more liable to knock me into the back of my ankles when pulling the machine along.
  2. The two fixed height (non-adjustable) suction pipes that have to be locked together level out to be around 113cm in height. Much prefer the telescopic adjustment and the tubes have a daft lock storer nib located behind the handle to lock one of the tubes together when not in use for storage - the last time one of them fell off and hit me in the foot was the last straw!
  3. The noise level is higher due to a lack of sound insulation.
  4. The cord rewind doesn't fully rewind all of the cable back in, merely only going in ever so slowly compared to the fully continuous rewind on my S5211.
  5. The tool storer option to go behind the handle has been retained though it would be better if the design could be locked in the other way with tools directly under my hand - otherwise some of the tools fall off and when not in use, the nib *though supposedly turns around to the bottom away from the owner - seems to catch the cuff of my jumper sleeve when the vacuum is being handled.
  6. The cheap floor head that comes with this vacuum cleaner isn't as well built as the standard metal soleplate version with the S5.

 

 


Post# 234070 , Reply# 38   5/26/2013 at 13:50 (2,507 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Honestly that short hose has tripped me so many times! The machine is right at my ankle all the time.The other cute trick is the black cord always in curls on my dark carpet, great foot catcher. It cleans well.

Post# 234083 , Reply# 39   5/26/2013 at 15:18 (2,507 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I agree - thats the annoying thing about the S2 - it does clean well - but there's so many budget cut restrictions on it or with it - never had much go wrong with the old S4000 series.

Post# 234084 , Reply# 40   5/26/2013 at 15:22 (2,507 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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it works well, just frustrates. My edges of my rugs, I look back and its on its side not on its wheels all the time.

Post# 234135 , Reply# 41   5/27/2013 at 05:00 (2,507 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think Miele should re-release the S4000 again. I know there's a limited stock of blue ones at Currys in the UK and they've already re-released the heavier S700 range again.

Post# 238910 , Reply# 42   7/4/2013 at 06:29 (2,469 days old) by wcmommy ()        

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