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Post# 172491   3/8/2012 at 14:40 (2,952 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        

I got a new Hyla. Here are my thoughts on the new machine when comparing it to my Rainbow: This is not scientific, just my thoughts after using both machines.

(1) The Hyla has a very nice electric hose but it is short.
(2) I prefer the Rainbow wand and hose set up with just ONE set of electric wands and much longer electric hose
(3) No contest with the power nozzle. The new Rainbow has more concentrated air flow and easier to push.It also noticed the Hyla tends to collect hair. The Hyla has a cogged belt which is good but on my particular rugs and carpets the Rainbow wins in power and features and grooming.
(4) You cannot use the Hyla power nozzle on the hose end to clean the stairs. The Rainbow will attach to the hose end or either one or both wands.
(5) I did notice when cleaning throw rugs the Hyla power nozzle tends to grab at the end and stall which would cause it to cut off. With the Rainbow-you have both a quick release trigger and a suction relief on the hose handle.
(6) The Hyla has some interesting tools but they are friction fit where the Rainbow has metal hose ends and button connections.
(7) Hyla uses a water bucket, which is easy to empty. It uses twice the amount of water but the downside is that it is heavier to carry and move around.
(8) I did not like the combination rug/floor tool with the Hyla. You can order a better floor brush from Hyla with real horsehair brushes.
(9)The set up for wet floor cleaning is much easier with the Rainbow System as is the shampoo system. I don't think the Hyla has a retating brush with it's shampoo system. I did not get that option
(10)The Hyla has a nice place to store the cord on top of the machine but I prefer the way I can just loop the Rainbow cord and drop it on the holder.
(11) They both have very good air flow but the Rainbow seems to have more suction at the end of the hose.
(12) Hyla has an interesting remote control that fits on the end of the elctric hose and can be used to turn the machine off and on when using the air cleaning mode.
(13) Hyla comes with a beautiful instruction book with real pictures.
All in all, the Hyla is a very nice machine. I do agree with Dan that the Rainbow would seem to have better build quality but that is hard to tell when they are new.
The Hyla dealer was well informed and very pleasant with the transaction.
Both very nice machines and no dusty smell or bags and filters to buy.





Post# 172492 , Reply# 1   3/8/2012 at 14:50 (2,952 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Hyla has a separator that does not require any cleaning and cannot be removed.
This is because it uses the Geyser concept. It has the lighted water basin like the Rainbow too.
The water tub locks onto the dolly and the tools attach to the corners of the dolly.


Post# 172495 , Reply# 2   3/8/2012 at 15:12 (2,952 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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interesting sofa tool with 2 different buttom plates. One with brush and air vents and the other used to clean drapes without pulling the fabric.

Post# 172497 , Reply# 3   3/8/2012 at 15:18 (2,952 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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A lot of water action and air flow

Post# 172504 , Reply# 4   3/8/2012 at 15:40 (2,952 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Very

Nice i like it but i wouldnt give up my miele for one .

Post# 172505 , Reply# 5   3/8/2012 at 15:41 (2,952 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
wow..

I want one now.. what was the price of that vac?

could you make a video?

Thanks.


Post# 172506 , Reply# 6   3/8/2012 at 15:50 (2,952 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Hyla motor unit and bucket in the dolly.

Post# 172514 , Reply# 7   3/8/2012 at 16:23 (2,951 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Sorry

I meant my rainbow

Post# 172515 , Reply# 8   3/8/2012 at 16:35 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Brad,
I think the whole system wolud be priced about like a Rainbow. I only got the basic machine and power nozzle. I did not get the wet system, shampoo system, storage rack or small electric hand tool. They have many optional tools.

This machinehas tremendous air flow like the Rainbow and I enjoy the led lights in the water tub.
The drapery tool and dusting brush are very nice.


Post# 172518 , Reply# 9   3/8/2012 at 16:45 (2,951 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I like my Hyla and have sold many rebuilt ones over the years. The main complaint I have is the hose being way to short. My favorite thing about it is the water pan. I love that it's bigger and very easy to clean out.

Post# 172539 , Reply# 10   3/8/2012 at 18:19 (2,951 days old) by sanifan ()        
GST vs. NST...

Nice machine! From your observations it seems you probably prefer the Rainbow?

Do you know what the differences between your GST and the previous generation NST are? They both appear to use the same Weasel Werks PN. I could be wrong. The GST looks like a very nice machine!


Post# 172554 , Reply# 11   3/8/2012 at 18:44 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Phil,
Since you have had experience with Hyla's, what are the secrets to keeping one in good shape? I had never seen or heard of one.

I do love the lighted off/on switch and the lighted basin and power nozzle.

Khoi.
I like them both but the Rainbow is easier to use and that new Rainbow power nozzle is so effective and much easier to use. I would say the Rainbow is more user friendly and it does seem to have more suction and is quieter. Rainbow also has a much longer warranty and has a long proven record.
Both very nice machines. I really like the dusting and sofa brush on the Hyla and also the deordorizer but oh that short electric hose!
The Hyla is just fun to watch it churn the water and the Hyla dealer was very interested that I understood how to operate the machine.


Post# 172561 , Reply# 12   3/8/2012 at 19:01 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Khoi,
If you look at the underside of the machines on the You Tubes you can see quite a bit of difference in the underside where the separator is located between the NST and the GST.
You can see they changed from 2 side latches to the new system of using the one hand and the handle bail of the water basin to LOCK the motor to the water basin and I see changes in some of the attachments.

The Hyla has a 2 speed motor and the motor speed is changed by inserting the hose in the intake. With the hose off,it stays in air cleaning mode and a lower speed.


Post# 172562 , Reply# 13   3/8/2012 at 19:28 (2,951 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
I

The wessel work i find to be better then the rainbow power nozzel . Just my opinon

Post# 172579 , Reply# 14   3/8/2012 at 21:26 (2,951 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
William

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I think the two things made me sell my Hyla GST .

1. The hose being short .

2. The water bucket was very heavy .

Enjoy it as it is a very neat water vacuum .


Post# 172592 , Reply# 15   3/9/2012 at 00:54 (2,951 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Be careful with the water pan latches. I have had to replace those before and parts for Hyla are not cheap. They say never clean the separator, well I do after a long time of use ( like months ) They do get dirty I don't care what they say. It comes apart in many peices just make sure it goes back the same way. I have had to replace a rubber seal that goes around the motor unit because the lady never cleaned it off when she washed out the pan. Nothing to it really, they seem to have last. I have some customers tell me they would never go back to Rainbow because they love Hyla etc. Well one is as good as the other I think. The Rainbow does have better bells and whistles.
I think I will get my Hyla out this weekend and use her. It's been a while lol


Post# 172601 , Reply# 16   3/9/2012 at 04:08 (2,951 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I'd love to try out one of these machines. I have always wondered about the self cleaning separator and how it can stay clean! I had a sneaking suspicion that it needed to be cleaned after a while. You just confirmed it for me. Still a really cool machine. At lease you can take it off and clean it if you have to.

Post# 172606 , Reply# 17   3/9/2012 at 05:37 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Thanks Phillip for the tips. I will sure keep them in mind.
Now this machine has no latches. You use the handle on the water bucket to lock the motor to the water pan.
I also agree with you about the bells and whisles. I think the big differences are in the short electric hose and the performance of the new Rainbow power nozzle,plus the fact that more water makes the Hyla heavier to move around.
Both are beautiful cleaners and no leaking dust,bags to buy or nasty smell.

Thanks again


Post# 172624 , Reply# 18   3/9/2012 at 11:05 (2,951 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Rainbow PN...

Hi, William.

Yes, the Hyla is cool. Lol, I have given my NST a quick run to make sure it works, but have had no real time to give it a real test. I like the Art Deco styling of the NST a lot. The GST seems more modern, but very cool none-the-less. I like the LED lights inside, but I wish they were green or a warm white to better compliment the color of the vacuum body.

Have you every thought about using the lighted Rainbow or Hyla while tripping on psychadelics? It will give a new meaning to "Rainbow" or "High"-la ;D. Complete with light show and all!

Can you tell us more about the Rainbow PN? Maybe post a pic or two? I wonder, is it a third party manufacturer, like the way Hyla uses the Wessel Werks, or is the a proprietary design unique to Rainbow? It seems to work very well for you. I'm very curious about it.

Thanks!


Post# 172633 , Reply# 19   3/9/2012 at 12:40 (2,951 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

Rob, thank you for sharing with us.... you did a good job with the pictures. The one with the close up of the water splashing around is like art to me!

I think if they are a similar price to the Rainbow, most people would just get the Rainbow instead.... Now if it were less, it would be a different story.

What is the geuyser principle? I'm not familiar with that term. It is nice that the separator doesn't have to be cleaned. Does the power nozzle have a metal brushroll or a height adjust?

I don't like how the power switch is on the side of the machine.... I think you'd push the machine back when pressing the buttom.... probably better if it were on the top and easier to get to as well. I do like the hose handle though.... you're still "grabbing" the part where the the dirt goes through... I like to think of the dirt going through my hands :o) I don't like traditional loop styles, so that one really looks good to me. I wonder if they sell it with a longer hose as an option. I can see what you mean about that bare floor tool... looks a little clumsy.

Anyway, thanks for sharing the pictures and thoughts about the two... I've never seen a Hyla in person so I really appreciate that!


Post# 172634 , Reply# 20   3/9/2012 at 12:41 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Khoi,
I will post some pictures of both units.
Here is the new Rainbow Power Nozzle

It has LED lights,kind of a rough finish to hide scratches and a pad on each side of the nozzle for your foot. You can see the revolving side brush on each end.
You can also see the quick release pedal to release the electric wands.


Post# 172641 , Reply# 21   3/9/2012 at 12:55 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Here is the underside of the Rainbow Power nozzle. Notice the revolving brush on the end. It really snatches up stuff along the baseboard and along the wall to wall carpet. Also notice the built in channels that direct the dirt into the suction steam.
Note also the RAINBOW brush is big in diameter and also has the break in the middle of the bottom plate. I think this might be what helps it to NOT suck the rug ends into the opening and cause the power nozzle to shut off.

Because the openings are smaller,it really concentrates the air flow and the finished path on the carpet looks very nice and leaves no tracks over the entire width of the nozzle. It really straightens the nap and makes it stand up. I can also verify I have used it on wool carpets,braided rugs and small throw rugs with no damage to the rug fibers (unlike some other modern bagless machines I have used)
I have also noticed the brush roll does not collect threads and hair that have to be cleaned off the brush.
I do not know but would guess ANYTHING from Rexiar is their own design
I use the power nozzle almost every day and am just ready to replace the first belt in almost a years use.




Post# 172643 , Reply# 22   3/9/2012 at 13:02 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Here is my Hyla power nozzle.
The Hyla is very nice too. It has a different finish and uses some type of non led
light. As you can see the Hyla power nozzle cannot be removed and used with the hose handle (for stairs). The cord runs outside the pipe and has to be plugged into the hose handle. The Hyla has a separate straight suction hose and wands for the tool use.


Post# 172644 , Reply# 23   3/9/2012 at 13:11 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Here is the underside of the new Hyla.
As you can see the Hyla has a completely differnt brush roll. Smaller in diameter.
Notice there is no break on the bottom plate. I was thinking this might be why it has a tendency to jam and shut off when you come to edge of the lightweight rug.

Both nozzles are well made and both have a furniture guard all around. They both have covered wheels to protect the floor and both are very quiet as far as power nozzles go.

The Hyla has a cogged belt which should be of some advantage but I have never had belt trouble in the past with any of my Rainbows.


Post# 172651 , Reply# 24   3/9/2012 at 13:24 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Here are the hose handles. The Rainbow has the slide off/on control that you can set for brush for (1) lock brush on (2) lock brush off (3) on when trigger pulled.
You cannot see it but the Rainbow hose handle also has a "slide" suction relief on the side of the handle in just right place to be used with your thumb. It has a metal hose end.

The Hyla has a nice handle and the small remote control clips on the hose handle. With the remote you can turn off the power nozzle or the main machine.
The Hyla also has a nice hose protector at each end of the hose.
The Hyla has a plastic hose end.

That is the Rainbow electric wand section at the bottom. If you can see the cord is enclosed along the tube. Something interesting in the design is that if you drop the wand, it is designed in such a way that the vinyl side hits the floor first thus protecting the floor's finish.


Post# 172652 , Reply# 25   3/9/2012 at 13:33 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Here are the two electric hoses.
As you see the Hyla electric hose is shorter. Both do the job. In the Hyla, it looks like the electric cord runs inside the hose and with Rainbow it seems wrapped.

As you know, Rainbow has developed this new electric hose that is used with both my Aqamate and Rainbowjet. No need for 2 sets of hoses and wands.
At first I had to think about that concept. But I guess we use electric washers,dryers,dishwashers every day too.


Post# 172653 , Reply# 26   3/9/2012 at 13:35 (2,951 days old) by kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

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No Rug Gard??
I like the shape of the Hyla's brush roll. Reminds me of Vibra-groomer, that channels the airflow to the intake, but NO RUG GARD. That could/would get irritating.


Post# 172663 , Reply# 27   3/9/2012 at 14:28 (2,951 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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The actual useable brush width of the Rainbow power nozzle looks to be very small - maybe 4" on each side of centre?

Gary


Post# 172670 , Reply# 28   3/9/2012 at 15:13 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Gary,
I know it looks strange but does it ever clean well. When you pull the cleaner in the backward stroke it cleanes the full width. Very diffferent in actual use.
It has the feel of using an older Hoover upright with the strong air flow and suction.

I really like the transparant nozzle set with the HYLA and the Natural Bristle brush for dusting.

I was thinking because the Hyla is sold all over the world and in some areas people do not have as much wall to wall carpet as we have, maybe that is the reason the electric hose is shorter. The straight suction hose is much longer.



Post# 172713 , Reply# 29   3/9/2012 at 21:25 (2,950 days old) by sanifan ()        

Thanks for posting the great pictures, William. Both the Rainbow and Hyla GST look like quality units.

I'll have to look at my NST power nozzle, but I seem to recall that it has a center separator and that the brushroll is made of wood. They look similar otherwise, but the NST power nozzle is a dark green and not black. I have a feeling Hyla went with two different Weasel Werks power nozzles between the NST and GST.


Post# 172737 , Reply# 30   3/10/2012 at 01:32 (2,950 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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No it's the same power nozzle between the NST and the new one but the early NST used a different power nozzle. They had a little wessel werk nozzle with a tiny brush roll. The newer black Fairfax used the same whimpy power nozzle.

p.s. It's good they changed the water pan latches.


Post# 173002 , Reply# 31   3/12/2012 at 21:25 (2,947 days old) by kenmorekid ()        
Air clean mode

I was wondering if the Hyla moves air like the rainbow does in low/air clean mode? Since you have used both do you think one works better than the other? Thanks!

Post# 173011 , Reply# 32   3/12/2012 at 22:16 (2,947 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Mike,
I can tell you the "low" air clean on the Rainbow is almost silent and since it has the brush less motor that is designed to run longer periods. What you hear with the RAINBOW is the water in the basin.
I think the Hyla's low speed is running at a much higher speed and you are to run it a shorter time.
I have enjoyed using both machines. I seem to prefer using the Rainbow in my house just because you only have one hose that is much longer ,one set of wands and new power nozzle works better on the types of rugs and carpets in my house.
The Rainbow is quieter and feels like it has more suction at the hose end but that is just my thoughts.
I have to say I was actually surprised at how much I like the Hyla. So far it seems to be built pretty good. My new Rainbow has been faultless and the new model has so many improvments over my old SE. As far as cleaning improvments, I would have to say the new power nozzle is the most important change.


Post# 173016 , Reply# 33   3/12/2012 at 22:44 (2,947 days old) by sanifan ()        

Yes, the NST pn is the same as with the GST. No rug guard, wide plastic brushroll.

Is the GST black? The NST is a nice dark green.


Post# 173050 , Reply# 34   3/13/2012 at 05:13 (2,947 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Rob-

So the New GST isn't a brushless motor? I figured the very latest model of Hyla by now would be brushless.

I think it's cool how the "Geyser" technology shoots water into the separator to keep it clean - but you wonder how it does it since that water isn't going to be clean the more you vacuum. Here is a video Intro I found on the GST. All those extras at the end are mind blowing. I'm not sure what the PN and rollers are for at the 2:55 mark of the video.

So cool looking to see all of that turbulent water action. I like the way the bucket is shaped but I'll bet an entire gallon of water does ADD the weight to the machine.

About the short hose - didn't rainbow add length to its hose on the latest model? So wouldn't the Rainbow's previous to the Oynx have the same length electric hose?


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Post# 173051 , Reply# 35   3/13/2012 at 05:24 (2,947 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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The new GST is black. Maybe to be like the new Rainbow. I noticed Filter Queen has changed to black too.

Mark,
The electric hose on the Hyla seems shorter than even the old electric hose on my SE Rainbow but part may be to the hose protectors at each end of the Hyla hose.


Post# 173052 , Reply# 36   3/13/2012 at 05:29 (2,947 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Mark,
I don't know anything about the motor in the new Hyla. I asuume it is not a brush less motor based on both the sound of the Hyla motor and the fact that no where in the instruction book or the demo was anything said about continuous use for air cleaning. The air cleaning mode is much faster motor speed than the Rainbow.
The Hyla motor is very smooth sounding.


Post# 173054 , Reply# 37   3/13/2012 at 07:37 (2,947 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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That Rainbow power nozzle looks so cool! Love to see something really innovative in the design of an attachment - so much effort goes into the design of the main vac units, when in truth, cleaning effectiveness can be greatly improved by creatively thinking "outside the box" when designing attachments (I know that is one thing Dyson does well). Even the new Kenmore canisters are trying some new takes on the bare floor brush. And Filter Queen and Shark are now offering bare floor tools that take Swiffer dusting clothes! Brilliant!

The idea of adding "floor polisher" vertical brushes on the corners of a power nozzle is brilliant. Instead of trying to get the suction over to the edges of the nozzle, the designers provided a way to move the dirt over to the suction area. Would be interesting to see if this actually works well in reality. Would love to see a video of a test of this Rainbow power nozzle against one of their older versions - using the same vacuum to keep all other factors identical....


Post# 173125 , Reply# 38   3/13/2012 at 19:05 (2,946 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Brain,
Take a look at the bottom of the nozzle. It concentrates the suction and the end brushes work well very close to chair and table legs and close to the wall.
Notice the air channels on the front of the base plate and the ends. It really grabs the dirt instead of just plowing things in front of the machine. Some other things I have noticed after almost 1 year of daily use:
(1) the balance is such that the power nozzle and wand do not fall over.
(2) the 9 led lights put out a very bright light.
(3) the brush does not have to be cleaned of threads and string as many brushes
(4) notice the narrow width between the brush and air channels which help create
strong air flow.
(5) pulls up the nap very nice but at the same time has created no damage to any
of my rugs or carpets.
(6) belt has lasted almost a year without problems
(7) air stream has not clogged one time in years use
(8) wrap around guard and rubber covered wheels to protect polished floors
(9) pushes very easy on thick carpets
(10)quiet motor


Post# 173126 , Reply# 39   3/13/2012 at 19:20 (2,946 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Rob - good to hear that this innovative pn design actually does the job well!

I guess my only concern is the large gap in the centre - but I guess that path is cleaned when you move over the nozzle on a subsequent stroke.....


Post# 173134 , Reply# 40   3/13/2012 at 20:25 (2,946 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
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Brian,
The space in the middle does not show when you use the return stroke. I guess we had that same type of gap on a lot of Hoovers and Eurekas for years too. Before I used it I was expecting to see "holiday areas" on the ends and middle but not so in actual use. I would guess the design of the air channels lets the air flow accross the surface. I am sure they did a lot of testing before making all the changes.
I have enjoyed many of the new Dyson designs too.





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