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Post# 171790   3/3/2012 at 22:03 (2,950 days old) by billybud21 ()        

OK, so does anybody have the word on Miele canister vacuums in terms of quality and durability? I just read an interesting thread on the waning quality and innovation of brands like Kirby, Aerus, Tri-Star, etc., and I would like to know if Miele is in the same tailspin.




Post# 171796 , Reply# 1   3/3/2012 at 22:26 (2,950 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
In My Experience....

....Miele is a very decent vacuum of its kind. My experience was with a Miele White Star belonging briefly to my late partner. There were no arguments with its overall quality, nor with its filtration. However, the machine was put on eBay and sold when less than a year old, because it was ultimately a disappointment.

There were some reservations about a couple of things. Bags were outrageously expensive, and the HEPA filter was too. The vacuum was supplied with a turbo rug nozzle that was supposed to be "as good as a power nozzle," and was major, major NOT. A true PN could be added, if you cared to spend an additional amount of money sufficient to purchase an MOL Kenmore canister with a PN, which we did not.

But the biggest reservation I had was - this was a plastic machine, and plastic is not really all that long-lived. We've all seen plastics from the '50s and '60 that are shrunken or deformed or which have turned color. And we've all had the frustration of finding a desirable collectible vac with a damaged plastic part that could be replaced only if we found a donor machine. Mieles are new now, but the day will come when their plastics will cause their owners trouble.

I just don't think ANY plastic vacuum can ever truly be considered an investment-quality machine. I know the difference between Lexan and ABS. I know higher-end manufacturers take more care with molding and other manufacturing processes. It's still plastic, and it's still unstable, and it still probably won't last a lifetime, which is what I expect at the price point of a Miele.





Post# 171805 , Reply# 2   3/3/2012 at 23:10 (2,950 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Seeing as I've owned two, all I can say is, "Could be better", the designs could be better, the connections for hoses and extension wands, the filters, the bags, the motors, the electronics, pretty much everything could be improved upon, or even simplified, if they put their minds to it... :\

And my two were old models (S147 "stick" vac (weighed a flippin' tonne!!!), and S316i cannister)...


Post# 171808 , Reply# 3   3/3/2012 at 23:42 (2,950 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Well

I love my miele, 20 years is all i want to keep a vaccum. Heck central. Vacs are better then any filthy kirby or tristar.

Post# 171809 , Reply# 4   3/3/2012 at 23:47 (2,950 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Um, Josh:

Can you share your thoughts on why you think a quadruple-filtration TriStar is "filthy?"

I for one am all ears.


Post# 171812 , Reply# 5   3/3/2012 at 23:56 (2,950 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Well

I like tristar

Post# 171814 , Reply# 6   3/4/2012 at 00:08 (2,950 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Ah.

TriStars are filthy, but you like them.

Ohhhhh-kayyyyyyyyy....


Post# 171815 , Reply# 7   3/4/2012 at 00:10 (2,950 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
I meant

Kirbys . But after i get a home of my own im buying a central vacuum

Post# 171821 , Reply# 8   3/4/2012 at 02:16 (2,950 days old) by venson ()        
It's a "to each his own" thing . . .

Hi billybud,

It wasn't so much due to worry over the waning quality of the American niche-brand vacuums you mentioned that I bought Miele. I'd heard the Miele promo schtick regarding good cleaning, high filtration AND quiet operation for so long that I guess they wore me down.

So, I took the bait -- and then the plunge -- just to see where fact ended and fiction began re all the stuff I'd been told. (Besides, you can't tell people much about vacuums unless you've had hands-on experience.)

Mad money was more available at the time and I ended up buying not one but two. First the Capricorn with an SEB234 power nozzle (fluorescent floor light instead of LED) which I still have and, later, the S7 Tango. Much to my surprise they lived up to claims. Great cleaning, quiet operation and style that even says you spent a little money on something good.

Regarding all around high-level filtration, my benchmark had been Filter Queen but I found Miele to be a match -- if the high-filtration bags are used.

Using my Capricorn has been pure pleasure. Everything -- switches for the machine and PN, speed/suction control) are right there on the the hose's hand grip. Stand it on end and its great on stairs or for storing. Fine tuning suction for lightweight rugs and other material is easy as pie.

Now what I don't like . . .

Though the machine itself is certainly durable, since day one it's been obvious that the matte finish paint job on my Capricorn is lousy. Also, it has no blower. When you start spending as much as required for Miele you want to see things done just right and not get the feeling you're being nickled and dimed..

I also agree that costs for bags and filters are ridiculous. This applies to optional accessories as well. The turbo-brush and the other "kits" are not worth the $75.00 and up asked. The badly designed swivelly bare floor (70 or 100 bucks depending upon the size you choose) categorizes as "cute but not stunning". It needs a baffle plate -- ala ye old Electrolux bare floor tool -- to get a little more oomph out of the air flow.

That particular attachment spends most of its time in my broom closet as I did invest a silly amount of money -- $75.00 -- for a Miele straight suction rug/floor nozzle that actually offers convenience that I, cretin that I am, can appreciate.

That said, the company should also cull some of the superflouous junk from its sales roster. The way too wide range of canisters and uprights is silly. Mieles cost too much to be expected to become every man's vacuum. I have no time for the brand's also-rans and will be glad when the idea of concentrating on merely making one or two good machines you can actually be proud of comes into vogue again for manufacturers.

Nonetheless, Miele is a luxury item and if that is solidly understood by potential buyers I haven't much to say. We've got to have our Chevies and our Caddies too. However, I would never and will never recommend the brand as a be all/end all product. There are much less expensive brands and machines, new and used, that will serve as well.


Post# 171829 , Reply# 9   3/4/2012 at 07:00 (2,950 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Miele isn't always marvellous...

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Well said Venson!

Everyone is in a tailspin. But it's pretty one minded to think of "waning quality and innovation," with just one circumstance. What you might think is "waning quality" from the zip of a soft bag breaking to another consumers thought of poor silver coating paint on the exterior body can't be judged 100%.

In terms of quality and durability, I was to learn the hard way that Miele motors hate water! My elderly aunt was using our Miele S4212 one day picking up, what she thought was a huge amount of dry grit on the floor mat at the front door. Turned out to be wet grit someone had brought into the home from the snow outside. Synthetic bag was damp, naturally pushing the wet grit to the bottom of the bag, wetness affected the useless felt motor filter, and water entered the system.

Miele know how to make good vacuum cleaners but because of cost they won't bother putting their design expertise right. It's like a lot of brands out there - they have existing technology but they won't release it. From my point of view, Miele need to protect their motors better and they have to get rid of the top exhaust system where you breathe in the motor air (no matter if its protected by Active Air Clean filters or HEPA) each time you need to change the suction setting.

I have an old S571. I had two but one was sold and the one I have is about 15 years old. It does the job it is supposed to do well. It is sadly, very heavy and over the more modern ones Miele sell, I wouldn't part with it because of the sterling service it has given and for the most part, seems to be better protected than the diddly S2, S4 and newer S6.

Over European brands like Electrolux and Hoover though, Miele are far better at producing vacuums - but at a price! SEBO are now also starting to build good canister machines - they're not as quiet as Miele - but they are better built for extra longevity.




Post# 171833 , Reply# 10   3/4/2012 at 08:22 (2,950 days old) by magic-clean (FL-GA)        
For the

price....the Miele is quite nice in many ways. But fall short in others. In our experience of being on our 3rd in 12 years; Yes they are refined, elegant, quiet, attractive, powerful and fit-finish is top notch. Additionally, the floor tools are wonderful. However, it would be great if the hoses were a foot or two longer and the cord needs an extra 10 to 15 feet. The "Suzy Homemaker" dusting brush is a toy/nuisance.

Regarding durability; ours were no better than an inexpensive department store machine. Our Platinum and Red Velvet succumbed to electrical problems. Cord reel, hose connections and power nozzle that required repeated costly service. After a few repairs on each, they were sold. Surprisingly they retain value and fetch a good price at reasale. Each machine was in mint condition.

Now have the S5 Leo with 236 power brush. It is the best of the three. It appears the electrical connection shortcomings have been addressed. That said, I handle the machine with "kid" gloves. The air clean bags really hold a lot of dust and eliminate the need for the HEPA cartridge I think. The bag price is a bit much, but the need to change is infrequent in our enviroment.

Still and all, the Miele is a pleasant machine to use and do a great job. When not in use, the Miele shares space in the closet with a workhorse Compact C8. The intimidation factor so far has kept the new Miele at its best behavior!

all the best.......L.P.


Post# 171837 , Reply# 11   3/4/2012 at 09:15 (2,950 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I share you sentiment on the hose, oh dear would another foot long kill them? The cord, more please and that silly dusting brush. Mine shares the closet with my lifelong Compact C5, I bet one of them will be going when I am not, care to guess?

Post# 171839 , Reply# 12   3/4/2012 at 09:45 (2,950 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Well

I see yalls points and i have some complaints! No vacuum cleaner brand perfect. And i can find things i dont like Electoluxs, Kirbys andTristars. If i had the choice and lived in house not in Apartment. like i do now i would choose a Central vacuum over anything . Becuase no portable vacuum can compare. And the one i would choose is a Aqua air . Becuase everything you pick up is not just setting there. It gets drain down and out of the home. No bags and nothing to empty. The bottom line is..... If you have the money and your home already has the pipes for it or thinking about remodeling i would go for it. Verus buying something you just store in the closet. I like portables but there cleaning power isnt as strong as i like. And the filtering is 100 times better.

Post# 171842 , Reply# 13   3/4/2012 at 10:45 (2,950 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

So what you're saying is, all "portable" vacs are junk, and everyone should throw them out and waste money on a central vac, all because you like them?

I'll save my money thanks...


Post# 171844 , Reply# 14   3/4/2012 at 11:26 (2,950 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Another Thing....

....I did not like about the experience with that Miele White Star was something that wasn't really Miele's fault.

I refer to over-selling, which is epidemic among high-end vacuum manufacturers - and TriStar, whose legacy products I admire, has long been one of the worst.

The Miele was purchased by my partner, not me. My partner was a perfect "mark" for a vacuum salesman, being obsessed about cleanliness (except for doing the hard work necessary to achieve and maintain it; many germophobes are like that), and easily swayed by "logical" sales arguments.

As he told me the story about his interactions with the salesperson, he was "hammered" about all the dread diseases that could be spread by any other vacuum but the one he was considering. It was implied that Miele, and only Miele, had the filtration necessary to eliminate these horrendous pathogens from his life. And as he balked about the price, he was told that the turbo rug nozzle was a perfectly adequate substitute for a power nozzle. I asked him if the salesperson had asked him what kind of carpet he had; I was told the question had never been asked.

The Miele may have had the greatest filtration ever seen by Man, but there were several problems. The biggest was that turbo nozzle, which was not remotely up to the job of picking up Georgia's sandy, clay-ey soil out of 32-ounce off-white nylon plush, let alone cat hair - and a vacuum can hardly be expected to filter out anything it cannot get off the carpet. A return visit to the shop selling this marvel elicited the information that a true PN would take care of the problem, at a price boosting the total cost of the machine to well over $1000. We passed.

And there was one factor that probably wasn't the salesperson's responsibility, but which I still found irksome: Nobody reminded my partner that, to achieve all the benefits claimed for the machine, he would actually have to get behind the damned thing and PUSH. The strong implication in the report I heard of the sales pitch was that the machine was going to do it all, which as anyone here knows, is not the case.

So, over $800 was spent on a machine that could not do the job needed, and which probably wasn't going to be properly used by the purchaser. There is a huge drive among all vacuum manufacturers to push product out the door by any means necessary. No one seems to understand or care that a bad sale may mean immediate revenue, but can foster decades of resentment at a brand whose product is sitting in the closet unused, because it's too complicated for the particular consumer who purchased it, or poorly matched to the consumer's needs, as was the case with the Miele.

I eventually took pity on my partner, put the machine on eBay, and recouped a surprising amount of his purchase price - the things do retain some value, it's true. I just wish there hadn't been such a drive to sell him a machine no matter what. This was an independent vac shop, and a really knowledgeable salesperson would have sent him home with something far cheaper and more useful.

And again, I don't mean this as an indictment of Miele - if my partner had looked into a TriStar or Kirby or Electrolux or Filter Queen or Rainbow, he would have been subjected to much the same thing - get the product out the door, No. Matter. What.


Post# 171857 , Reply# 15   3/4/2012 at 13:00 (2,950 days old) by venson ()        
@danemodsandy

Well . . . look on the bright side -- at least he didn't come home with a Halo.

Seriously, the deal is to sell, sell, sell these days and that isn't going to change. Yes, I'd like to walk into a vac shop or vac department feeling secure I'd actually be helped but instead it usually feels like I'm getting the bum's rush even though probably not intentionally so.

I learned a lot in a brief time through demoing in a major department store's vac aisle. A lot of the staff you encounter are out to cover college tuition or car payments and there are of course those with kids to feed. The store where I did promotions did not pay it's newer sales staff a base salary. Only commissions per sales. This meant that you had people who didn't really want to work the vac department unless someone was interested in an expensive machine.

Even worse the store had decided, for economy's sake, that salespeople should refrain from demonstrating the product. (They had the test rugs in the aisle removed.) The store was obviously attempting to emulate big box stores like Best Buy, Costco, etc., where the customer gets all his information off what's printed off the item's box, makes a decision, takes it to check out if he thinks he can use it and brings it back for a refund when he finds out how much he hates it.

At the store where I worked, sales staff felt better off trying to snag customers come in for large appliance buys.

Miele has hedged its bets I believe and its business and business relationship with dealers is pretty much sewn up. They dictate pricing, etc. Nonetheless, many bona fide vendors are quite prepared to negotiate better deals nicely below suggested retail with serious prospective buyers to get product out.

The root for solutions to the situation for consumers is here, "If you don't take care of yourself, who will?" That line of thought started me taking the hard line as a consumer.

You have to know what you need or want if you're going to figure out what to buy. That's far easier now than in past due to the internet. There are plenty of avenues to travel as far as research is concerned.

You do far better by being able to walk into an independent vac shop and say, "I want an Acme Model 1. What's you're best price." The other way round, merely, "I'm looking for a vacuum," can get you left in the lurch.


Post# 171858 , Reply# 16   3/4/2012 at 13:12 (2,950 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Venson:

"The other way round, merely, "I'm looking for a vacuum," can get you left in the lurch."

You know that, and I know that, but many people don't, and I don't think they are well served in today's sales environment. The days of the exquisite sales match - where a good, sensitive salesperson finds exactly the item needed by the consumer, no more, no less - are gone.

I personally think it's too bad, because a consumer who has been sent home with exactly what they need, and no more, will come back. The one who has been "hondled" and sent home with too much in the interest of a fast buck won't come back.

I remember old-time Electrolux salesmen, who understood the value of biding their time. They would HELP a customer, making certain they had what they needed. A customer who didn't really need a PN might be sold a 1205 without one. The next customer who might actually need one, but couldn't afford the 1205/PN combo, might be sold a Model L or even a refurb. And both customers would receive friendly reminders for bags and maintenance service.

As they say in the South, them days is gone. Today's sales tactics can sell something ONCE. They're not nearly so effective at gaining customers for life.


Post# 171861 , Reply# 17   3/4/2012 at 13:32 (2,950 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
I didnt mean

All vacuum portable vacuums are junk!

Post# 171866 , Reply# 18   3/4/2012 at 15:03 (2,949 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

I've got the older full-sized Miele Allervac and while it's good vacuum I find it a little cumbersome to use compared to my older Electroluxes like the Model G and my Canadian 88/89's It just doesn't roll around on hard floors as easily and that is somewhat irksome. You definitely have to give it a pull whereas with the electroluxes it's like there's no weight there at all. It's no quieter either, they're all quiet. The 88/89 are as quiet on their one regular speed as the Miele is on its lowest. Then the price of the bags.. they're almost $5 each, that's robbery. I don't use it all that much now because of that.. I can only vacuum with it perhaps 3 times and the bag is full of dog hair,, Elux bags are cheap. I'm not that concerned with a bit of "dust" escaping.. to be honest that's all a bunch of marketing hooey, anything to sell a vac. Everyones parents and grandparents used non HEPA vacs for decades and decades and their houses and lungs weren't any worse for wear.

Post# 171867 , Reply# 19   3/4/2012 at 15:10 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"I didnt mean All vacuum portable vacuums are junk! 

It's what you're implying though, "Filthy Kirbys & Tristars", if you ever found your central vac needing maintenance, which you will, then you'll find that it too is "filthy", that's the whole reason why vacuum cleaners exist, they pick up dirt and the containers into which the dirt goes ends up dirty...

And central vacs are not "better" than portable vacuums, for example, you can't take a central vac out to the car to clean the carpets, you can't use a central vac as a blower, you can't clean out blocked pipes easily on a central vac without using drain rods, so, central vacs are a flawed idea, and they use a lot more power than a potable vac as they have to deal with the long pipework and hoses, so they help to increase your electricity bill too...

I'd happily take my "filthy" portable vacs over a fixed vac any day...


Post# 171869 , Reply# 20   3/4/2012 at 15:15 (2,949 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I have a Miele Callisto and a Miele Jazz. While I don't have any long-term experience to judge overall durability, I would say they are solidly built. They're also strong performers, being powerful and thorough cleaners. I would, however, echo some of what was said above. The power cord on the canister (Callisto) is too short. Perhaps its length is appropriate for European homes but not for large American Ranch-style homes. Additionally, the bags are small and expensive. With the few drawbacks, I would still recommend either of the ones I have.


Post# 171870 , Reply# 21   3/4/2012 at 15:29 (2,949 days old) by r2d2 ()        
The Good , The Bad and the Truth

Pete explained my only complaint with Miele. Its boxy, heavy and has an extremely stretchy hose. It isn't always inclined to come when you call or follow you around corners and when you give it a smart tug it can act like a slingshot and come wheeling to crack your ankles. The Miele is heavy, very quiet, has strong suction and like all vacuums is only as good as the attachment and airflow they create. I am not a fan of the Miele bare floor tool but like the power nozzle. I wish more vacuums slowed motor speeds for reduced suction like the Miele does. I won't live long enough to wear out my Miele. Electrolux has a shorter, stiffer hose and the body of the canister is long and more narrow so it makes a better dance partner for Friday night cleaning parties. Im not sure I agree that Miele housings are less durable. A blow or scrape that would leave a mark on the body of a Miele would dent and scatch the metal bodied Electrolux. The pot metal housing of the Tri-Star doesn't dent but it does crack and scratch. It doesn't take very much attention to be careful when using any tool or appliances and keep it like new. My experience has been that Miele has not capitulated from a position of honor as quickly as the other premium brands and honey ain't nothing as good as it used to be.

Post# 171871 , Reply# 22   3/4/2012 at 15:31 (2,949 days old) by r2d2 ()        
Cover Your Fangs

Venson is a new and younger member of our club. He is thinking and speaking from his heart and will learn to temper his enthusiasm and polarizing views. We all start rough and fit in after the edges are brushed down a bit. New blood, new excitement and new experience revitalize our group. Welcome and good luck.

Post# 171872 , Reply# 23   3/4/2012 at 15:39 (2,949 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Hi RS Sebo-Fan!

You say that Miele "have to get rid of the top exhaust system where you breathe in the motor air". I understand your complaint, but I really think it is a small price to pay to make sure your vac is not blowing loose dirt and dust that is sitting on the surface of a floor. I actually will never buy another canister that does not have the exhaust leaving the machine from the top for that very reason. After playing with a new Hoover/Maytag stainless steel floating Constellation, I was very glad to sell it - the downward exhaust made cleaning so much more of an effort as it blew dirt in every direction.

I vote for top exhausting canister vacs! I also prefer canisters that have the cord exitting from the top - so much easier to pull out and wind in.

But these are just my preferences - too each his or her own... :-)


Post# 171878 , Reply# 24   3/4/2012 at 16:39 (2,949 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
I like the exhaust on the top of the vacuum as well....

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I agree with you Eurekaprince, I much prefer the exhaust coming out of the top. I don't like to blow dust around when I am trying to vacuum it up. Aerus/Electrolux exhausts from the top as well. I have had a Royal pony and I have an Air Way Sani Clean, both exhaust from the back......

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Bud Mattingly

PR-21


Post# 171884 , Reply# 25   3/4/2012 at 17:26 (2,949 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Well

Thats where your wrong twocvbloke , you can clean out your cars bc there in the garge and you clean out a pluged sink , you most not know much central vacs very well. You should do your homework before you bash central vacs. So you can keep your portables k

Post# 171885 , Reply# 26   3/4/2012 at 17:44 (2,949 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Im

Sorry@ twocvbloke, i got a little heated . Sorry for sounding rude

Post# 171886 , Reply# 27   3/4/2012 at 17:47 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Josh:

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it would help if you were a little more tactful when you present your point of view. We're trying to help you understand that making a statement is something that needs to be done with respect for other points of view, and backed up with whatever supporting facts you happen to have. Just saying, "This is what I like and it's better" is not discussion, it's an unsupported statement. If you know of ways a central vac can be used to clean out a car, or ways that one can be un-clogged easily, it would be helpful if you shared them with us instead of just expecting that everyone will come around to your point of view just on your say-so.

Post# 171887 , Reply# 28   3/4/2012 at 17:54 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"you most not know much central vacs very well."

And you must need to pay more attention in school, that sentence makes no sense...

Not everyone keeps the central vac unit in their garage, some have it in the attic, some in the basement, some in the utility room, etc., and people usually vac cars out while they're parked outside, oh, and over here in the UK, not everyone parks their car in a garage attached to the house, so central vacs would not work...

As for clearing blocked drains, how fun, using an electrical device around water, have fun with that...


Post# 171889 , Reply# 29   3/4/2012 at 18:17 (2,949 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
ok guys

i know it didnt make sense. i was using my phone to type . And there is a central that simultaneously handles wet and dry cleaning situations . Its called the Aqua air . Heres some info about it, its uses Amtek--Lamb motor
: 137" water lift, 202 CFM
its uses The cyclonic separator and cold water spray separate the water, foam and debris from the air flow without restrictive filters or mechanical floats. Large debris is contained in a mesh screen while the liquids automatically dump down the drain.


Post# 171906 , Reply# 30   3/4/2012 at 19:53 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Ah, so it uses up water too, sounds like a very wasteful vac to me, with my "filthy" vacs, I just pop out a bag and throw it out, if I want to use them to unblock drains, I could if I wanted attach the hose to the blower and blast air down the plughole...

The more you over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to plug up the drains...


Post# 171908 , Reply# 31   3/4/2012 at 19:59 (2,949 days old) by venson ()        
Aqua Air . . .

Hi Josh,

There's a similar brand called the Drain Vac. Both sound like great set-ups but are not a possibility for everyone. Thus, portable vacs are going to be with us and in abundance a good while longer. The push for the future will probably be not to do away with the stand-alone vacuum but to make it less a hands-on device. It's over a hundred years since it's invention and the task of vacuuming can still be pretty labor intensive. Whatever their worth, the little robotic gizmos they're developing are the first step in that direction.

Having been a great fan of the Jetsons when I was kid, back in the day I actually had assumed that today -- 2012 -- we'd all be walking around in Spandex suits and there might also be a Rosie the Maid at our avail. We seem to have missed out on that and maybe it's not a bad thing we did.

As it stands, there's a place in the market for both stand-alones and built-ins. Many people across the country live in apartments or rented homes where it would be highly impractical, if allowed, to permanently install the likes of a CVS within someone else's property.

Especially due the economy, many who do own their own homes simply may not see cause for added expense -- not only cost of purchase but installation, possible wiring alterations, etc. -- when a vac that can be moved through the house will suffice for them.


Post# 171914 , Reply# 32   3/4/2012 at 20:23 (2,949 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
"Another thing..top exhausts..."

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danemodsandyÖ what you described perfectly about the selling experience of the high cost Miele mirrors the same selling experience we got when we had a Kirby salesperson visit us back in the 1980's. He didn't get a sale sadly and the upright was far too big to wield around our narrow hallways - one of the very reasons to why we preferred our more basic Hoover Junior models. The Kirby looked and felt wonderful - but its £1000 cost price was far too expensive and when it struggled to get down our narrow hallway, no matter how much dust it picked up compared to our tiny little Junior, it made no sense as a purchase.

I will say this about Miele though - they may produce "selected models" in the U.S by putting names to them and then kitting out the machines with different accessories and attachments and then hiking up the price - but in the UK Miele were perhaps not as clever as they would like to think by offering the same accessories online. This means savvy UK buyers who may not be able to afford the "Cat and Dog" S5 vacuum could easily just buy a basic S5 and a second hand turbo brush with the Active Air Clean filter on board. Hey Presto you've probably saved yourself £40 to £50 in the making.

eurekaprince - Since Miele's 1970's block canisters, they have forever put the exhaust at the top - it is a total nightmare if you don't have the higher cost Active Air Clean or HEPA filter bought before hand to change the old one. I find the Super Clean micro filter useless for airborne dust capture. More noticeable I may add, when you have freshly painted walls and you're trying to vacuum up the carpet - next thing is airborne dust captured on the walls forever unless you add another coat of paint! Now that isn't going to happen EVERY DAY but it is more of a major pain when I don't like ingesting the motor each time I bend down to change the suction anyway as I already said. I also own two Bosch canister vacs - they mirror the Miele on design but the exhaust is also at the top but diffused down the way towards the cable - so when you bend down to change the suction dial setting, you don't get a face full of air. It's a simple design that I'd have thought "the masters of hygiene," Miele would have changed by now - they are after all, the only manufacturer who produce clinical grade cleaning systems - so you'd have thought that a company who pride themselves on containing bacteria would have changed the exhaust so that the owner doesn't get the machine air that pumps out.

I have had budget priced Hoover canisters (the Telios especially) where the exhaust is also located at the top - but it doesn't give you a face full of air either because the exhaust is diffused away from the suction slider.

The best exhaust system I've found so far is offered on the Sebo C, K and newer D series canisters - all contained at the sides within the air belt bumper. Such a handy idea that offers protection to the home, the vacuum and no way near the user! If you look at the pic below you'll see all the arrows of how the diffused air works from the compact K canister. The top arrows from the top filter (in green) indicate the motor air being diffused through the filter and inside the vacuum towards the sides through the Airbelt.

Now if Sebo, a company who have not been making vacs for that long can do that to improve life for the user, why can't Miele?


Post# 171916 , Reply# 33   3/4/2012 at 20:32 (2,949 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Twocvbloke

How is tht wasteful? There are more benifits to a central vacuum. And venson well thats trueA

Post# 171917 , Reply# 34   3/4/2012 at 20:36 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I think toe comparison between Sebo and Miele is like comparing Mercedes to BMW, the former (Sebo/Merc.) being quality and reliable, the latter (Miele/BMW) being shouty expensive and unreliable junk...

Post# 171918 , Reply# 35   3/4/2012 at 20:37 (2,949 days old) by venson ()        
@danemodsandy

Hi, I'm completely sure our feeling as to what salesmanship should be is exactly the same. Nonetheless, things are indeed changing and not necessarily for the better.

First rule of business being, "Never pay anyone more than you just have to," what's to be done when purveyors of goods don't see it as necessary to offer their salespeople even the incentive of a good/usable base wage?

I don't think that makes for a dishonest employee but someone pressed to hustle to make dollars in volume. That's good for them but not so good for me, the customer.


Post# 171919 , Reply# 36   3/4/2012 at 20:38 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"How is tht wasteful? There are more benifits to a centr

Well, your central vac uses water, my "filthy" vacs don't, your central vac uses more power to do the same job, my "filthy" vacs don't, your central vac is fixed in one place, my "filthy" vacs aren't...

Post# 171921 , Reply# 37   3/4/2012 at 20:57 (2,949 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Miele/Sebo and Central Vacuums.

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Each to their own twocv - but you may have missed my point entirely. When I commented that my older Miele S571 was heavy, it has also gone beyond the expectation of its longevity. 15 years is a long time and it's on the same level of ownership with my old Sebo X1 Auto upright. Different designs, different brands but the older, heavier Miele cylinders/canisters seem to be better built than the newer ones .

As for central vacs - it is clearly abundant that you have never ever seen one in the UK, or if you have you won't be aware of the many types exist. If you have read my previous posts especially about American products, we had a U.S naval base in our town and American housing with American appliances. I got first hand experience of quite a few different central vac systems and I have also been in a few UK homes and company offices where central vacs are also used. The UK market have been slow to the idea of central vacs, because like under floor heating, once it is plumbed in, it's plumbed in for life and not many like the idea of that, let alone waste disposal units that 1980's fitted kitchens had and then the owners realised how troublesome they were, if a knife was accidentally dropped in!

UK company CVC stock several different central vacuums - the highest model offering 1750 watts - compared to an electric hob that has 2400 to 3000 watts, or highly priced portable vacuums that have 2000 watts or more. Central vacuums are not as bad as you make out - because usually in a home that has a central vac fitted, to avoid clogging or "long distance travel" two machines are located on the premises so in effect, you have two bins to empty at the end of the day. Even if Miele are master of most premium vacuums, it is the SEBO floor head that most UK central vacuums use.

Central vacs are a great invention. I'd welcome it - IF I wasn't a collector and fan of traditional vacuums - and for that reason and also for the fact that I'd never consider a Robotic vacuum either - I'll keep buying or repairing my traditional "manual" vacuums.


Post# 171924 , Reply# 38   3/4/2012 at 21:09 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
KW:

"Im not sure I agree that Miele housings are less durable. A blow or scrape that would leave a mark on the body of a Miele would dent and scatch the metal bodied Electrolux. The pot metal housing of the Tri-Star doesn't dent but it does crack and scratch."

I can speak from experience that a metal-bodied Electrolux can keep on working perfectly well even after a dent. I have a late, gold-color Model L I keep in the basement for the carpet and appliances down there; it was purchased with the dent. The machine is otherwise in near-mint condition and runs like a champ. A plastic vacuum might have cracked, which would have rendered it useless until repaired, if repair parts were available.

TriStars are not "pot metal." They are an aircraft-grade aluminum-magnesium alloy that is extremely strong in its own right. The other contributing factor in the strength of vintage TriStar/Compact housings is that egg-like shape, purposely chosen because an egg shape is one of the strongest in Nature. Yes, you CAN crack a TriStar. You can also total a Hummer. You usually have to be doing something pretty foolish to accomplish either.


Post# 171926 , Reply# 39   3/4/2012 at 21:24 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

The thing about central vacs in UK homes is fitting them in the first place, unless your building from scratch, adding a central vac would mean pulling up floorboards and digging out holes in walls, especially in 1800s style terraced houses that use real walls and not wood frames & plasterboard, that'll be why they never really took off here as we can't just buy a plot of land which may or may not have a structure, clear the site and build a house with all mod cons to the owner's tastes and requirements... :\

As for miele quality, well, my S316i "Cat & Dog" likes to try and fall apart if I so much as try and change the bag, it's not broken (well,the tool lid is, but that's down the very tiny fragile clips they used for hinges, one of which broke off), and it's a heavy lump compared to my metal Tristar, not to mention the electrics inside are verging on being toast cos they have a lot of brown scorches on the PCBs around the motor and speed controls, something the Tristar doesn't have a problem with as it's speed control is a switch (No speed to Full speed on one action) with no electronics crammed in there where it gets hot and dusty (well, it gets hot and dusty in the Miele, the tristar just gets comfortably warm)... :|


Post# 171929 , Reply# 40   3/4/2012 at 21:35 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
David:

You just described one of the things I prize most about a TriStar - its simplicity. It's a can, a fan, a motor and a switch, plus some filters. To my way of thinking, that's all a vacuum needs to be. I can understand that some people prize the sophistication of electronically-controlled vacuum cleaners, but I would rather have less to go wrong.

Post# 171934 , Reply# 41   3/4/2012 at 21:44 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"You just described one of the things I prize most about

Yeah, it's why I love my Tristar too, you cannot beat simplicity, when something is as simple as they are, there's little to fail, a switch, a wire, a set of motor brushes, a filter or bag, that's it... :)

Even the PN is a simple affair, a motor, a belt and a brushroll (though the other versions of PN have overload protection electronics depending on what model they are)... :)


Post# 171939 , Reply# 42   3/4/2012 at 21:55 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
David:

As a measure of how helpful simplicity is, I would point to the only TriStars I've seen with consistent electrical problems - the two-speed models. Those have trouble much oftener than the classic single-speed TriStars and Compacts.

Post# 171942 , Reply# 43   3/4/2012 at 22:00 (2,949 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, my parents home was built by a Canadian in the 1960s. The house was built in an area of 40 other homes built by the same guy. We often laugh when we visit the neighbours as the builder obviously had a contract with building companies to furnish every home with the same kitchen cabinets, door handles and fixings.. at the time that the house was built, every house also had an oil tank when oil was relatively cheap to buy. In the 1980's my father was the first person to get gas fitted in the street and I remember quite clearly the trouble that gave us in terms of getting it fitted to the home instead of relying on the more expensive oil. Half the garden had to come up to get the gas pipes in as well as some of the floor boards inside the home.

Proof that not every home in the UK is built in 1800 style terraced houses.

If a buyer wants something they'll get it - regardless of the cost involved.


Post# 171943 , Reply# 44   3/4/2012 at 22:00 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Well, there's a reason the 2-speed was a one-off, and why some were rebuilt as single-speed... :)

Post# 171945 , Reply# 45   3/4/2012 at 22:04 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"Proof that not every home in the UK is built in 1800 st

Well, I know that funnily enough, just as not every business lives in a skyscraper, or every school is a dark and depressing victorian affair, what I was saying is that most UK homes are old and more solidly built making adding something like a central vac difficult and more costly...

Post# 171948 , Reply# 46   3/4/2012 at 22:09 (2,949 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry but I don't agree - not all homes in the UK are one set design - especially the 1970s ones for the push for Danish, open design planned homes, or those fitted with breeze blocks.

As I reiterate - buyers or owners will buy what they need regardless of cost -from solar panels to electric garage doors, gates, underfloor heating, even double glazing windows on listed buildings where they can only use secondary glazing inside. A lot of owners in terraced houses will still pay out for things like that - including a vented hole for the cheaper vented tumble dryer compared to the condenser types.


Post# 171951 , Reply# 47   3/4/2012 at 22:24 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"Sorry but I don't agree - not all homes in the UK a

You don't agree that most of the housing stock in the UK, in towns, cities and villages, is not old and not built to more modern standards? Seems like a rather dense view of things...

Down here in England, you can go to any town which housed millworkers, miners, ship builders and other long deceased trades, and you bet your backside that they have street after street of 1800-1900s terraced houses, of various designs, near to the inner parts of the towns, then as you move outwards, later 1930s style houses, and on the outskirts you get the wood-framed estates with hollow walls and trampolines for floors...

Just put your TV on to BBC1 at 10am to watch Homes under the Hammer every day this week and look at all the different houses, you'll start noticing a pattern as to the types commonly sold...

Yeah, people can rip apart houses to upgrade and refurbish, but for those looking at just adding one item, it can end up costing them more than the worth of the item they want to add, especially if something were to go wrong with the installation...


Post# 171964 , Reply# 48   3/4/2012 at 23:31 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
David:

Not many Americans have much concept of British housing aside from the terraced houses seen so often in BBC America television programs. The semi-detached houses of the 1930s, the late 1940s prefabricated postwar houses and 1950s/1960s housing blocks, and the modern design explosion fostered by the Festival of Britain are all pretty foreign concepts over here. Designers like Ernst Race and Kenneth Grange are unknown, and even Americans with a fair amount of design knowledge have no clue what G-Plan furniture was.

It's too bad - Britain was inventive after the war in ways Americans never dreamed of. Rationing of materials - and the ever-so-slow end of rationing - saw to it that materials were used much more wisely than here, as in Ernest Race's BA chair, which used newly released stocks of aluminum to create one of the most attractive and long-lasting chair designs of the postwar era.

And few Americans understand that concepts they are just getting used to have been commonplace in Britain for a very long time, like flat-pack kitchen cabinets and on-demand water heaters. The big, easy American life is meeting the same realities Britain has been dealing with for decades, and it's British solutions that are the ones carrying the day.

I only hope we never get your local councils. ;-)


Post# 171968 , Reply# 49   3/4/2012 at 23:50 (2,949 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
So are you

Saying that yall are better then us ?

Post# 171969 , Reply# 50   3/4/2012 at 23:53 (2,949 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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I've had three different Miele's over the past 15 years and I never had a problem with any of them. Two of my machines were used, one of which I purchased already professionally refurbished at a vac shop, and a Red Velvet that I purchased brand new. All were great machines, but being a loyal Electrolux user the Miele canisters can be difficult to pull and steer around the house. As for build quality, they are top notch. My only complaint was the paint on my Red Velvet was a matte finish that could scratch easily, but if it has a glossy finish like my Blue Moon it never would have scratched. As much as I love Electrolux/Aerus machines, if I were in the market for a new high end canister I would buy another Miele in a heart beat. The 236 power nozzle on the Red Velvet was also one of the best pn's I've used.

I owned a Blue Moon and Red Velvet at the same time for a few years and the only reason I got rid of them was because I wanted a central vac. The Miele's do filter amazingly well but no matter how well they filter, a Miele or any other portable vac can never get rid of the smell of the dog hair inside the bag. If it werenít for the smell, I'd probably still have my Miele's.

@twocvbloke, I can't comment on how UK homes are constructed, as I have never been to the UK before. But I will tell you that where I live in the US if you really want something and have the money then you will get it no matter how high the cost may be. A high quality central vac unit, attachment kit, and installation in an average size home will probably run close to $2k, possibly more depending on your requirements. This is certainly more than most portable machines and more than the average consumer would spend on a vacuum. Itís a totally different market and clientele, and if someone is willing to do the research and spend the money to purchase a central vac then they will go all the way to get it installed. Check out the video link, I believe I saw it several years ago on the Beam website and it is pretty informative. There are three different parts of the video, however they are incorrect in stating you can only put in electrified valves in new construction. I put them in my house without a problem and its 40+ years old. Regardless of how much I like vacuums, I am OCD and especially so about cleaning, and after having a central vac for the last 6 years I will never live in a home that doesnít have one, no matter what the cost. They are worth every single last penny!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO bimmer740's LINK


Post# 171970 , Reply# 51   3/4/2012 at 23:57 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"So are you Saying that yall are better then us ?"

Very mature comment that, as soon as a discussion doesn't go someone's way, they bring out the superiority comments...

Post# 171972 , Reply# 52   3/5/2012 at 00:02 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"I can't comment on how UK homes are constructed, as

I've seen Beam central vacs for sale here in the UK, and I've seen someone's installation of one in a later style british home on Instructables, but as I have kept saying here, it may work for some houses, but the majority of houses, like the one I live in for example which has been here since the mid 1800s, cannot be easily upgraded, so that $2k cost (usually for things on sale here, you just swap the $ sign for the £ sign!!) would rise significantly, meaning the cost outweighs the benefits...

Post# 171973 , Reply# 53   3/5/2012 at 00:12 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
David:

You have to understand that the average American has never been in a house that was not built with what is called a "balloon frame" over here. The spindly framework of two-by-fours faced with Sheetrock inside and some sort of synthetic siding outside has been the way America builds houses for decades. Even before that, the balloon frame was used with lath and plaster inside and wood siding or brick facing outside. Having a house built with post-and-beam construction, or real stone masonry, is nearly unknown here and has been for a century or more.

So, most Americans have no frame of reference for the difficulties Britons face when remodeling; American houses are almost ridiculously easy to tinker with, even ones that are many decades old.


Post# 171975 , Reply# 54   3/5/2012 at 00:26 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

How you describe that is like how modern british homes are built, but usually with a brick or stone outer wall, inside it's all timber framework and plasterboard, nothing really "solid", so those sorts of houses are easy to fiddle with as you say, but the older stock which is still in use, well, it's not as easy to fiddle with, as stone interior walls are not as easy to pass simple things like phone cables through without interfering with the structure, let alone pipes for plumbing in a central vac or the cables for powering it, and with "sebo_fan" being a resident of the UK, I'd have thought they'd know about it, but I guess not...

So, what was that about miele again? :P


Post# 171977 , Reply# 55   3/5/2012 at 00:32 (2,949 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Perhaps....

....Sebo_Fan lives in Poundbury, where things look old, but are built new.

Post# 171978 , Reply# 56   3/5/2012 at 00:39 (2,949 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"Perhaps.... ....Sebo_Fan lives in Poundbury, where thin

Dunno why, but "Poundland" springs to mind..... :P

Post# 171986 , Reply# 57   3/5/2012 at 06:19 (2,949 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh Im sorry - don't Eng-land seem to have the majority of AGA cookers? Don't they need stone floors - and NEED TO BE PLUMBED IN?? C'mon now don't bother questioning my knowledge of buildings in the UK! I've stayed in England far too many times than I care to remember - no, hang on - oh - I lived in London - so maybe that's not really "proper" England. I lived in London for 15 years and in quite a few different properties including terraced homes - with under "bloody" heated flooring that was never part of the original design.

Do you get what I am saying here to you? Granted your home can't have a central vac - I understand that - the foundations would be too thick to tunnel the necessary work to put one in. Yet, a lot of these homes never originally had the AGA or Rangemaster hobs, yet people seem to be able to put them in now...





Post# 172005 , Reply# 58   3/5/2012 at 12:13 (2,949 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
well

the rainbow i used at my friends house and , they have dogs. and the rainbow gives off a nasty smell. well no vacuums perfect . thats why i love central vacs

Post# 172009 , Reply# 59   3/5/2012 at 13:11 (2,949 days old) by r2d2 ()        
Sticks and Stones

The old children's rhyme sticks and stones will break your bones but words can never hurt me" might better read "sticks and stones can break your bones so don't throw any." All of us write from experiental memories. How could I possibly know anything about British constructions than I would expect a resident of the UK to know first hand the construct of houses in Texas or Washington? Homes constructed in the US today bear small resemblance under the skin to houses 30 years old. Stereotyping homes and lifestyles isn't fair anymore than it is to discredit anyone "personal" experience with a product. My own experience becomes my own truth. One might say in response, "that has not been my experience" and then qualify which no one can argue with. Again this thread is experiencing the enthusiasm of youth and the obstinence of age. Better to read it all and simply let the oddities and extravagance of passion remain unbridled. The words can never hurt me or sadly enough never change me.

Post# 172011 , Reply# 60   3/5/2012 at 13:20 (2,949 days old) by Trebor ()        
subject drift....

as someone with degrees in design, let me add that despite all the tweaks and improvements, houses built in the USA today bear more resemblance to those built here a century ago than they do to houses in Europe and the UK built a century ago.

Post# 172117 , Reply# 61   3/6/2012 at 02:15 (2,948 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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@twocvbloke

There was absolutely NO implication of the US or our homes being better than the UK and its houses. It's all in YOUR head! I made a very honest statement that I have not been to the UK and I donít know how your homes are constructed. I do know that its not uncommon for homes in the UK to be much older than homes in the US and made of stone. You should pay close attention to all the other comments that everyone else made in response to your post, that houses in the US are constructed much differently then UK houses.

I suggest you donít read so deeply into someoneís post, and not become so defensive and downright rude when you read and reply something you "think" was being implied or something you disagree with. We have all seen it time and again on this forum how your posts become very nasty, totally uncalled for, and just plain childish! If you can't contribute to a thread in a mature manner like most everyone else on this thread has, then don't contribute at all! No one here needs to be subjected to your overly abrasive attitude. We all donít agree with each otherís opinions on every subject, but we all try to express our own opinions in a mature manner while taking the other personís opinion or statement into consideration.




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Post# 172118 , Reply# 62   3/6/2012 at 02:47 (2,948 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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"so that $2k cost (usually for things on sale here, you just swap the $ sign for the £ sign!!) would rise significantly, meaning the cost outweighs the benefits..."

BTW, I understand your opinion but certainly if a homeowner wanted a central vac installed and would not settle for anything less, don't you think the benefit to that owner would exceed the cost? The exact opposite of what you think. If a homeowner wants one and has the money for the installation, then the cost is irrelevant and doesnít out weigh the benefit, just as long as the homeowner gets what they wanted. Once again, not everyone shares the same opinion and what may seem completely logical in your mind, may seem totally illogical to someone else. One isn't right or wrong, just different.


Post# 172126 , Reply# 63   3/6/2012 at 06:58 (2,948 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Central vac

Add value to your home ,like when you go sell it .more benifits out weight the cost . And twocvbloke what you said was very very rude. Im glad you dont comment on my post . Becuase all your gonna do is be rude! So im done with commenting on this post .

Post# 172130 , Reply# 64   3/6/2012 at 07:08 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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WOW !!!

Getting back to miele, as a vacuum in use they are nice and quiet, I Have a s7cat&dog upright that we bought as a sample when we were thinking of selling them alongside our current brands. My only complaint (as a vacuum ) is that they start to smell a bit after use despite the charcoal filter. Kirbyloverdan mentioned the same thing to me in another post.

Now as for when it comes time to service or repair Miele is insane with its parts prices and the quality of the parts is not were it should be, hoses, wands, floortools. we opted out of selling miele vacuums just because of that , I could never look a customer in the eye again if I told here that the hose for her vacuum cost half the price of her vacuum. All vacuums break and need servicing, it doesn't do any good when a repair on a premium vacuum can easily cost more than the vacuum itself


Post# 172135 , Reply# 65   3/6/2012 at 07:42 (2,948 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Thank you Bimmer!

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gsheen - I know exactly what you mean regarding the Miele cost parts. A while back when I was on another forum (where I virtually met Venson) I had mentioned to quite a few U.S buyers the possibility of shipping out Miele accessories and filters. I've done it myself because the cost of the filters in the U.S was far more expensive than U.K prices. Miele may well think that they have the prices set per country - but again the beauty of the internet means as consumers and owners, we can help each other out.

Im not a fan of the S7. I love a lot of the features but I found it to be too big and bulky. My idea of having to manually press a pedal to get the machine to go onto another existing rug on top of carpet was also a problem I couldn't stand. When I didn't use the the pedal, the floor head would just move left or right.

If the machine is smelly, it's the hose and the internals that would need cleaning - the Miele filter can only protect the motor and the smells of pet hair from the bag. A lot of owners seem to forget that - with any vacuum infact - when they own pets, the smell of the hair and whatever dogs have rolled themselves in, tends to stick to the hoses because of the oil in the pet hair itself. It's horrendous when the oils congeals after a few years and start to stick to the innards of the awkward dust channel from the roller brush leading through the hose to the vacuum.


Post# 172139 , Reply# 66   3/6/2012 at 07:58 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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@ sebo fan

the machine will start to smell after two uses, even from new. My oldest dyson is a dc04 its been in use in my house since early 2000 but went from been the whole house vacuum to been used in one part as I have multiple dysons now. none of them has ever had the dog smell ever. considering I have more cats and dog's and i am a clean freak


Post# 172168 , Reply# 67   3/6/2012 at 12:52 (2,948 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
The word on Miele canister vacuums

R.S.
You brought up a very good point in your post. When you said that over time the oil from the aniamls could be coating the inside of the hose and wands and smell. I had wondered for years why my Rainbow SE always smelled fresh. The hose always still smelled fresh and clean after years and years of use.
It was like a light went off for me. With the Rainbow, I use it to wet clean the floors and also use the shampoo sytem. When I finished, I always picked up a quart of hot water to clean the hose and wands and then let the air dry them.
I had noticed when I picked up the hoses to connect to my many of my other vacs they would just not smell fresh. Even when I went to the Miele store to look at the new machines,when they were started I could get a smell even though they have all the multiple filters. It all makes sense. Thanks for the information.
Thanks for sharing. I guess not only does "wet dust doesn't fly" but in this case water kept my hose and wands clean over the years too!


Post# 172171 , Reply# 68   3/6/2012 at 13:34 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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on central vacs and old houses, In SouthAfrica 99% of houses are brick and or concrete homes, very very few wooden ones.

I used to service central vacuums and have seen some pretty unique ways of fitting them like running them through the ceiling and down into a cupboard , I have even seen some run with there piping on the outside of the house hidden away really nicely. Then you have the messy but effective cutting into the wall mounts. One company here has had a wall chaser specially modified so it chases out the exact size grove in the wall for the pipe, generally this is done on older houses were the house is been extensively renovated.


Post# 172192 , Reply# 69   3/6/2012 at 16:09 (2,947 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Re: The word on Miele canister vacuums..

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A good finding then - obviously when you wet clean and water with detergents that clear oil and other dirt accumulated gives the hoses and pipes a thorough wash - makes sense! Your own post however has sparked a cleaning tip I had completely forgotten about - washing the insides of the hose and suction pipes...

By taking the entire hose off and laying it in a bath of non-biological or gentle washing powder diluted in the water. Others use a combination of vinegar and non-abrasive detergents and baking powder. Of course you can't do it with hoses that embedded electric currents in them - there are alternate ways instead - this is where those disposable cleaning wipes come in handy, a long piece of wire or non-blunt bamboo stick and plenty of patience to push wipes up and down the hose all day to get rid of the grease, oil and dirt.

If you use wipes, it takes a far shorter time as I then take kitchen towel paper and push sheets down the hose and suction pipes to dry the metal off. Then attach back to the vacuum, after a day or so and use again. Use of disposable cleaning wipes (even Baby wipes) is also better for small cleaning tools and floor heads, though for people who own air driven turbo brushes and the power nozzles may have a trying time of it.

If going for the washing out process, I've found generally that some hoses can take up to three days to air dry. A few people I know who wash out their hoses put them in their airing cupboards. The most important factor though is never to use flammable detergents or abrasives as these can often destroy rubber seals or delicate parts within the hoses or suction pipes themselves.


Post# 172202 , Reply# 70   3/6/2012 at 16:27 (2,947 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Bimmer740 and joshdonnel, just grow up for gods sake, I have never come across such a childish bunch of so-called adults, getting your knickers in such a twist!!! All I was doing was making a point about the cost and impracticalities of a flippin' central vacuum system in the UK, and you just act like complete wusses when someone disagrees with you!!!

I am actually a nice person, as I have shown in plenty of other posts helping others out to fix their vacuums and offer suggestions for where to buy parts and whatnot, and the only time I get "nasty" or "rude" as you guys put it is when I make a point about something and get "corrected" with utter bullcrap, so, if you don't like it, be adults and don't respond to my comments, just ignore what I say, don't go all flappy-handed and bitch about it cos I'll quite happily respond in a straight minded manner...


Post# 172211 , Reply# 71   3/6/2012 at 16:44 (2,947 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Twocvbloke

Then dont respond to my comments. i dont need your advice or whatever .

Post# 172215 , Reply# 72   3/6/2012 at 16:51 (2,947 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"i dont need your advice or whatever ."

Well whoopdeedoo, stop posting irrelevant comments then, and you won't piss people off...

Post# 172238 , Reply# 73   3/6/2012 at 22:44 (2,947 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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If you take the time to re-read your last two posts you will see how you have actually proven in your very own words just how childish, immature, nasty, and rude your comments really are. You couldnít have possibly done a better job of self-incrimination. I didn't get my "knickers in such a twist" as you stated, but I will defend my initial post after you commented on how YOU interpreted it. YOUR interpretation is so farfetched and absurd that I had to set the record straight about what I wrote.

I was a member of the VacWeb before this site was created and I've been a member of VacuumLand for 6 years, far longer than you have. In all of those years I have never been involved in some type of bickering match on a thread with another member of this forum, and I'm certainly not going to start now. However, I cannot say the same is true for you as you frequently get caught up in or start silly arguments over a difference of opinion. No one asked you to correct someoneís opinion, nor do you posses the greatest wealth of knowledge about vacuum cleaners. We are all here because we have a strong interest in vacuums and have something to share about them, and none of us know all that there is to know about vacuum. I have far more important things to worry about in life than to "get my knickers in a twist" or become so enraged over someoneís post, as you so often do, that I would ever feel the need to repeatedly knock or totally insult another memberís thoughts. I have absolutely nothing more to say about this nor will I be someone who will entertain your frequent bickering.

Iíd like to deeply apologize to the person who started this thread, sorry that it became derailed.


Post# 172242 , Reply# 74   3/6/2012 at 22:54 (2,947 days old) by billybud21 ()        
Thanks everybody!!!

Hi Everybody,

I sound like Dr. Nick. Anyway, I wanted to thank everyone of you for your great responses. The information was wonderful and very informative!

Johnathan


Post# 172245 , Reply# 75   3/6/2012 at 23:06 (2,947 days old) by billybud21 ()        
On a separate note ...

I wanted to address something in a separate post. I think most of you already know this from reading your posts, but I think it is really important to clean your vacuum properly. I have often wondered why high-end manufacturers haven't placed some type of "non stick" (for lack of a better term) material to the insides of hoses, wands, power heads, etc, to stop the build up of material in the hose for example. With a seven year old son and a 6 year old Lab, the things that get tracked into our crap shack is pretty incredible. And a lot of that gets sucked into the vacuum, and not all of it makes it into the bag along the way.

I semi-annually take the power head apart, clean the attachments, hose, etc. with an "all natural" cleaning wipe. The wipes do a good job, don't cause discoloration and aren't that expensive.

Not ground breaking information, but thought I would share.

Johnathan


Post# 172247 , Reply# 76   3/6/2012 at 23:19 (2,947 days old) by billybud21 ()        
On a really separate note ...

Bimmer740 is correct to point out that we all have strong opinions and brand loyalties, but there really is no need to get bent out of shape and start posting a bunch of petty stuff. I really think this site is a wonderful place for comradely (how many people, as a man, can you tell you like vacuums and vacuuming and not get a strange look, be honest) and a place to share information.

Truth be told, I like just about all vacuums, apart from Dyson and the really, really cheap, crappy stuff out there, but I understand why people buy them or like them.

Wait, Bimmer740, but I like late model Mercedes-Benz, in fact I have two of them and they are a helluva lot better than ...

Johnathan


Post# 172258 , Reply# 77   3/7/2012 at 00:47 (2,947 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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Jonathan, I've had bimmer740 as my email address and user name for about 15 years. I owned a BMW for about 5 years, but for the last 6 years I've been the proud owner of a Mercedes ML500, and I won't ever buy anything but a Mercedes. BMW does make nice cars, but I had a bad personal experience and won't buy another one. You should check out the Off-Topic section, we have had some very interesting threads about cars, especially about Mercedes and BMW which you may enjoy reading. Please don't take this as being sarcastic, I really do mean it sincerely. There are quite a few die-hard Mercedes fans on this site, as well as many others who have a passion for all different types of cars. We really are a diverse group here on VacuumLand :)

Post# 172259 , Reply# 78   3/7/2012 at 00:57 (2,947 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Mercedes rules :)


Post# 172281 , Reply# 79   3/7/2012 at 09:15 (2,947 days old) by billybud21 ()        
The faithful.

I could not think of a better mix -- people who appreciate Mercedes-Benz and also vacuums. All is right with the world today.




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