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Post# 170901   2/25/2012 at 11:53 (2,960 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Love commercial vacs although my Windsor feels on heavy side. The Hoover Conquest looks sweet in the pics i see but i have yet to come across one in my travels. I started this vac hobby interested in a vast array of brands other than Hoover but since rebuilding & now using an Avo Green Concept (Craigslist find) i'm begining to respect what they're about.

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Post# 170904 , Reply# 1   2/25/2012 at 12:45 (2,960 days old) by venson ()        
Hoover brand . . . Sebo/Windsor design

Hi,

Interesting, its brushroll has nice coverage. However, save for LED panel, it seems nearly the same as the Sebos I've seen right down to the HEPA. Being "would a rose by any other name smell as sweet" why did TTI bother branding this specific item as Hoover. It is outsourced isn't it?


Post# 170931 , Reply# 2   2/25/2012 at 19:12 (2,960 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

Interesting that it seems to be a Sebo in disguise. I wonder where it is actually made?

Although I have never used a Sebo upright, I always thought that they looked not too dissimilar to the Mark I UK Hoover Turbopower. On that basis, I presumed them to be usable machines.

I have examined Sebos in a shop, and discovered that they do have useful features, like the pedal handle lock that can be switched either for continuous travel or stepped travel.

The only thing about them, that would really annoy me, is the hose. A top-mounted hose is asking for trouble. The machine will topple over in use.


Post# 170933 , Reply# 3   2/25/2012 at 19:20 (2,960 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Um.. sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Insight is based on a SEBO upright. SEBO have done this with other companies too - Oreck use SEBO commercial BS36 based uprights for their own commercial models. Even the brush roll and back carry handle are from SEBO on the Insight.

Yes the machine does fall over in use, but then again so did my Hoover Turbopower 2 and 3 models despite the hook thing at the bottom. Put it up against a wall and neither Hoover or Sebo will fall over - a reason to why both Hoover and Sebo place their models against a wall or the bottom step.


Post# 170935 , Reply# 4   2/25/2012 at 19:33 (2,960 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Windsor heavy - so is the Insight.

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Strictly - if you have a Windsor Sensor or Sensor XP, it weighs 19lbs - so does the Insight.

Post# 171077 , Reply# 5   2/27/2012 at 07:27 (2,958 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Shock of Horrors!

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I contacted SEBO UK this morning - and guess what - Sebo don't have an idea of it - so it looks like a small court settlement may be done - or something. Looks like the Insight may well be a Chinese copy!

Post# 171091 , Reply# 6   2/27/2012 at 09:39 (2,958 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        
@ sebo fan

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The oreck commercial upright is actually made by a company called IVAC not sebo in the Netherlands it has a division called fast and they produce allot of vacuums for other company'

Post# 171094 , Reply# 7   2/27/2012 at 09:54 (2,958 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Post# 171099 , Reply# 8   2/27/2012 at 11:05 (2,958 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
Hoover 'Double Duty' model C1834

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This looks like a wider path version of my Windsor VS 14...

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Post# 171104 , Reply# 9   2/27/2012 at 12:04 (2,958 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Rubbermaid...

And then there's this Rubbermaid vac. It seems to get good reviews based on the handful I've seen online. It also looks to be a copy of a Sebo.

I wonder which of these are partnerships with Sebo and which are just knockoffs.


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Post# 171112 , Reply# 10   2/27/2012 at 12:59 (2,958 days old) by venson ()        
@gsheen . . .

Thanks for the URL. First thing I noticed was the "Create Your Own Brand" blurb all over their brochure PDF. I know one model, the polisher, is sold by Oreck here in the U.S. and a commercial vac they displayed, I think, may be sold under the Nilfisk brand.

Thanks again,

Venson


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Post# 171114 , Reply# 11   2/27/2012 at 13:57 (2,958 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I am pretty sure that the sebo 360 was a big inspiration for the ivac 350 however they improved on the sebo design quite a lot. the brush roll was bearing mounted and not bush mounted like on the sebo, the connection of foot piece to upper body was via a thick metal base so it never developed the wobble that sebo's suffer from in age. I have been out of the commercial market for a few years now here in SA but at the time the ivac was a third of the price of a sebo and they lasted twice as long

Post# 171133 , Reply# 12   2/27/2012 at 17:15 (2,958 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
IVAC...

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Thanks for the links, gsheen. The Ivac SM300 looks suspiciously like Karcher's current upright vac, the CV-30.
Sebo do have a website in the Netherlands though, as well as SA.

www.sebo.nl...

www.sebo.co.za


Post# 171141 , Reply# 13   2/27/2012 at 18:08 (2,958 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
new Hoover Convertible in retro chrome

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Also love the White Oreck Compactos (C 06/09) in Venson's link.

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Post# 171144 , Reply# 14   2/27/2012 at 18:39 (2,958 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Its not a hoover convertible...

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Sorry to disappoint... the model in your link is actually an original KARCHER FP222 floor polisher. There are permanent circular pads underneath. It does look like a Senior/Convertible with its soft bag but that's where the similarities end.

Post# 171197 , Reply# 15   2/28/2012 at 06:33 (2,957 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
IVAC....

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According to the SEBO specialists, the Hoover Insight quality is poor....

Also, according to SEBO, the IVAC upright has a copied SEBO base and the top part is a COPY of Nilco - Nilco make their own vacs and in this case weren't aware of IVAC's copy!


Post# 171258 , Reply# 16   2/28/2012 at 14:36 (2,957 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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the Ivac has a similar base to the sebo but as mentioned but used a much more beefed up system. the brush ends are proper bearings not the bushes used in sebo's the motor also lasts longer than the sebo versions and has less bearing trouble too. but the best part is they cost about a 3rd of the price of a sebo.

I am very aware of sebo SA but they are a not run very well, you won't find them in higher end retail shops and are mainly sold to hotels. I have to admit I think they are very poor quality now days. and there spares are horrific. I have a old brown 360 that will run circles around the newer machines its not as powerful but judging by the amount of sebo's standing in my workshop at the moment mostly x123,4 g1&2 and 370's its a proper sebo


Post# 171299 , Reply# 17   2/28/2012 at 18:08 (2,957 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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That surprises me, TBH. Our first Sebo lasted 13 to 15 years and only required a drive belt replacement. I've owned my X1.1 for 5 to 7 years now, and it's never let me down. Nothing has broken off it and nothing has had to be replaced other than the usual like the filters and bags. I haven't noticed much of a difference with the parts once the plastic hood is removed - it hasn't actually received much of an update other than raised motor power and a stepped gearbox so that it accepts the turbo brush and doesn't shut off - UNLIKE the old X1. Also the metal plate on the bottom has been replaced with a plastic plate.

When I've repaired them - it tends to be clogged dust and the odd drive belt replaced on the BS36 series. Unsurprisingly although cleaners tend to use them for hours on end, they never seem to be able to spend enough time unclogging them.

A lot of owners do spend time on the net shopping for other countries and companies who are prepared to send out the parts worldwide - the joy of the internet!


Post# 171319 , Reply# 18   2/28/2012 at 23:55 (2,956 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I mainly see them from a commercial side, and that was were i was speaking from. In a house yes they last much longer but then an Ivac will last even longer.

The main difference is the motors , On the x series they went from a very long lasting but not so powerful ametek lamb motor to a much more powerful but not as reliable dommel motor. same with the 360 -370 they replaced the brilliant arg motor with a dommel motor it does't last as long but hey that's how you sell vacuums. I suppose they decided that a commercial machine lasting 15 years in a hotel was a bad thing. from the hotels I deal with the new sebo's tend to last 1 -2 years before needing replacement were the old brown 360's would last 10 or more ( with servicing and some repairs) the new ones are knackered after a year or so


Post# 171330 , Reply# 19   2/29/2012 at 05:36 (2,956 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Then, that's probably one reason alone to why SEBO continued to sell the older uprights alongside their current range - such as Windsor's Sensor and Sensor XP/S12 etc.

Post# 171343 , Reply# 20   2/29/2012 at 09:14 (2,956 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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yes but they upgraded those machines to accept the new dommel motors

Post# 171347 , Reply# 21   2/29/2012 at 09:36 (2,956 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ah.. oh well..

Nothing is perfect though = even old Henry vacuums that have been used continually in the commercial field break down. We have a couple of those at the company I work for from time to time. The suffer mostly from the rubberised hoses that break because sharp objects pierce them and some of the old Henry's have burnt out motors, but they're of the metal canister type, way way back from the 1970s.


Post# 171356 , Reply# 22   2/29/2012 at 10:24 (2,956 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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For using around the workshop and stuff like that those are fantastic vacuums. I only use uprights on the carpet though :)


Post# 171391 , Reply# 23   2/29/2012 at 18:51 (2,956 days old) by Trebor ()        
Saw the Insight @ VDTA

No lawsuit, folks. Patents have a lifespan. Hoover waited this time. (I guess losing to Airway, and then Dyson was enough)

And Karcher and Windsor are part of the same conglomerate.


Post# 171541 , Reply# 24   3/1/2012 at 18:31 (2,955 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
And Karcher and Windsor are part of the same conglomerate

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Maybe in the U.S and Canada = but in Europe, Karcher are separate from Sebo or Windsor. As for the patents and the Insight, watch this space!

Post# 171545 , Reply# 25   3/1/2012 at 19:06 (2,955 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
Trebor, what is your take on the Insight?

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After seeing it in person? I see the Hoover type SB allergen bags check in at $3 per bag in a 10 pack. & the 13" unit itself is, (currently at one shop anyway) up there in price as well...see link.

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Post# 171610 , Reply# 26   3/2/2012 at 05:14 (2,954 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Jeezo - am I reading correctly from your link that the sale price is $945?? That's far too expensive. I note that Sebo-vacuums.com (US link website_ state that the original Sebo Essential G/G1 is priced at $599 - same machine, far better made and far more original!

Post# 171617 , Reply# 27   3/2/2012 at 07:12 (2,954 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I saw it for $ 470.00 on one of the large commercial cleaning equipment sites


Post# 171630 , Reply# 28   3/2/2012 at 10:58 (2,954 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
best deal for a new sebo/ windsor clone

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& it's a Hoover too! see link, shipping is reasonable, & this is for the wide area model.

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Post# 171658 , Reply# 29   3/2/2012 at 16:20 (2,954 days old) by Trebor ()        
The Insight has...

The WINDTUNNEL nozzle design, and a quick-change power cord. Nice machine, in my opinion, but I love Lindhaus!

Post# 171830 , Reply# 30   3/4/2012 at 07:18 (2,952 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Where does it say that the Dubl-Duty has a windtunnel base foot? It's a Sebo one - only one dust channel on that one!

Post# 171897 , Reply# 31   3/4/2012 at 18:57 (2,952 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
New Hoover Insight Windtunnel based

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i believe is what Trebor was refering to @Sebo_Fan not the Dubl-Duty deal i posted in this thread (as an example of Hoovers earlier effort in this market segment)...& the Dubl-Duty is a great price too. i might make a bit of a low ball offer myself soon on that Ebay Hoover Dubl-Duty deal actually if i can clear out a vac or two on Ebay to possibly justify the expenditure.

Post# 173317 , Reply# 32   3/15/2012 at 09:41 (2,941 days old) by Trebor ()        
I have not tested one except at VDTA...

The owner tested one when the rep brought one in, and said he was not impressed, so I would have to see one myself to make a judgement.

Post# 173325 , Reply# 33   3/15/2012 at 12:17 (2,941 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Do you know what commercial machines I miss? the old advance carpetwin 14 &16 models , does any one have one of these true beasts

Post# 173336 , Reply# 34   3/15/2012 at 13:53 (2,941 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Not quite but close

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I have a lindhaus Healthcare pro which is somewhat similar but the RX pro models are just like the carpettwins I did see a RX 380 today at a vac shop in the used area though. www.lnt.com/show_product/507893-8...




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