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Post# 168278   2/4/2012 at 15:32 (2,981 days old) by papadop ()        

Hi folks,

Is there a Miele vacuum guru who can share some information on which US Miele canisters contained the blower feature, had the option of adding an electric power nozzle, and were assembled in Germany with German made parts, in the last ten years?

Thanks for any help.

-Chris






Post# 168294 , Reply# 1   2/4/2012 at 17:15 (2,981 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
I am not a Miele guru.....

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I had a Miele Champagne I think it was an S548 model #. You had to remove the hepa filter in order to use the blower function. You also had to be careful with the lid open not to let the hose snap it off......while using the blower.

 

 

Bud Mattingly

PR-21


Post# 168297 , Reply# 2   2/4/2012 at 17:19 (2,981 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Sounds like great German engineering Bud! Not...

Post# 168315 , Reply# 3   2/4/2012 at 19:26 (2,981 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry to go off topic Chris, but what difference does it make if they are Chinese made?

Post# 168326 , Reply# 4   2/4/2012 at 21:02 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Puh-leeze!

"....what difference does it make if they are Chinese made?"

Use your Gran's Kenwood mixer, and then one of the new Chinese-made ones.

Then get back to us.


Post# 168327 , Reply# 5   2/4/2012 at 21:27 (2,980 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
miele

there 100 percent german

Post# 168333 , Reply# 6   2/4/2012 at 23:12 (2,980 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        

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All of the current S2 (S2000), S4 (S4000), S5 (S5000), S6 (S6000) and S7 (S7000) models are made in Bielefeld, Germany.

Miele's factory in China is located in Hong Da. This factory produces entry level machines that have had their moulds retired from the Bielefeld factory. While these machines are moulded and assembled in the Hong Da factory, the electrical components, including the hose, wand and attachments are imported from Miele's factories in Germany. At this time, a few S500 (Solaris series) and Universal Upright (stick vac) models are produced there for Canada and the United States.

Miele Naturell (S246i) and late-model Red Star w/ SEB 213-2 (S314i) were produced in Hong Da, but have been discontinued. I believe a S300 series machine may still be in production there for the European market.

The S300, S400, S500 and S600 models supported a blowing function through the use of an adapter that was inserted when the Super Air Clean or HEPA filter was removed. However, the blowing function has been eliminated from current models.

S300 and S400 machines supported the use of a powerhead with the use of the SES 105 (SES 110 for Ambiente/White Pearl, SES 115 for Platinum) hose. S500 requires SES 113 (pigtail) or SES 118 (direct connect) hose. However, S500/S600 machines with total control handles (Silver Moon, Red Velvet, Blue Moon) require the SES 125 hose.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Scott




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Post# 168348 , Reply# 7   2/5/2012 at 04:20 (2,980 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

That's why I love my Tristar & Kirbys for their blowers, no adaptors necessary, just remove the bag or filter from the exhaust and insert the hose and twist to lock, done, no adaptors, not filter media to remove, just a simple set of actions... :P

And yes, my S316i has a blower function, but it sucks more than it blows...


Post# 168350 , Reply# 8   2/5/2012 at 06:29 (2,980 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I don't get the link between poor quality and China? As if the two go hand in hand? Surely they could make better quality in China if the manufacturers actually wanted better quality?

Post# 168354 , Reply# 9   2/5/2012 at 07:08 (2,980 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Quality and China do not go together, they make things to a minuscule budget, shaving off anything they can to make things cheaper, be it thinner plastic, cheaper electronic components, thinner wires, weaker components, it all adds up to the savings and thus profits...

Just compare things made say 30 years ago to their modern counterparts, there is a massive difference in build quality, one example is american telephones, compare modern Cortelco phones to their Western Electric counterparts, the Cortelco models have more plastic,and less quality, especially with the ringers in the desk phones being made out of flimsy plastic and having some weird ball-bearing clapper thing that sounds awful...

And over here in the UK, go to any pound shop and look at the stuff on sale, "Skerple" marker pens made to look like "Sharpie" marker pens, bicycle lights whose design was brand new in the 70's, mobile phone chargers that you're lucky if they last a month, all made in china, and that cheapness is seeping into what were the quality brands...

If it's made in china, it's guaranteed to be low-quality...


Post# 168356 , Reply# 10   2/5/2012 at 07:11 (2,980 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes I take all that on board, but it misses my point totally. If someone asked a Chinese company to make something of a prescribed quality standard, what is there to stop them making it? The people requesting the poor quality must be happy with what they are getting.

Post# 168357 , Reply# 11   2/5/2012 at 07:52 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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VR - It's an American thing - I've noticed from other forums I'm on - American consumers have a bigger market share, their continent is bigger by default - thus they have been ripped off by Chinese built offerings, and those who don't admit it won't say it - not everything in China is crap - Americans also don't like the fact that China is communist, and they don't agree with the way people are treated.

danemodsandy - I have a Kenwood hand mixer. It's 10 years old, it's made in China. What's your point? It still goes, it hasn't cracked and the work it's been made to do has been light to heavy action. When it breaks I will buy yet another made in China article - I have confidence in Chinese built things, I don't have a mindset assumption that China builds crap. I don't have confidence in all things German. I had a Braun food processor for many years but getting parts for it was very rare. Braun UK couldn't care less and they ceased production of all their small home care appliances. They're not the first German company to do this.

The problem with Miele is that there was an early issue with Miele vacuums - but quelle surprise, it was "only" an issue with certain continent buyers. The early S4 models were made in China, whether Miele wants to admit it or not. The Germans were keen to play down this fact. Screw driver assembly does not infer that the build will be 100% positive-complete. But it's time for people to realise that wherever the model is made, if it doesn't work or something goes wrong within their expectancy, they shouldn't point to the country of origin to where it is produced, but rather the brand itself.




Post# 168358 , Reply# 12   2/5/2012 at 07:56 (2,980 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That's what I was thinking.


Post# 168359 , Reply# 13   2/5/2012 at 08:12 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
RS:

It is possible that Chinese manufacturers provide better quality to the U.K. market than they do to America, but on this side of the pond, "Made in China" denotes dubious quality. Many a consumer item that used to be well-made here is now of lesser quality than was formerly the case, and some items don't even work at all, such as manually-operated can openers and nail clippers. Pet owners here lost quite a few pets to the presence of melamine in pet food, put there intentionally by Chinese manufacturers seeking to achieve better test results for the percentage of protein in the product.

I own a Farberware percolator from the 1970s which is nearly forty years old and still going strong. The "same" perc is now sourced from China, and failures within a year are quite common; the Internet has many consumer complaints about the problem. The Kenwood stand mixers sold here (under the DeLonghi name) are not a patch on the old U.K.-made Kenwood Minors and Majors; control failures are common. And the difference between a vintage Westclox alarm clock and its present-day Chinese version is not to be believed. The old American-made item weighs nearly two pounds, and is nearly all metal. The new ones weigh only a few ounces and are mostly plastic, including the works inside. I don't think it's a coincidence that the new ones make frequent appearances in charity shops, in non-working condition.

One of the reasons I enjoy owning vintage things so much is that I am able to get lasting quality instead of disposable junk. I also try to purchase new items that are made in the U.S. or the E.U. whenever possible, to reward manufacturers who are still trying to keep up standards. I avoid Chinese manufacture whenever possible, with the twin exceptions of cell (mobile) phones and laptops, because those are nearly impossible to find made anywhere else. And even then, I do not buy from companies who are using Chinese suppliers known to mistreat their workers.


Post# 168361 , Reply# 14   2/5/2012 at 08:45 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Benny:

There is, as you correctly point out, nothing to stop a Chinese manufacturer to supply precisely the same quality as a manufacturer anywhere else. Sadly, however, there are numerous instances of Chinese manufacturers shaving quality to increase their profit, as has been pointed out by another poster here. The pet food tragedy was one such instance; those manufacturers had been given very strict and precise quality specifications, and chose to put melamine in the pet food instead, to boost test results for protein content. Many, many people here lost beloved moggies as a result; melamine is deadly poison to animals.

Post# 168362 , Reply# 15   2/5/2012 at 08:46 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"Pet owners here lost quite a few pets to the presence of melamine in pet food, put there intentionally by Chinese manufacturers seeking to achieve better test results for the percentage of protein in the product. .."

You just reminded me of something here - I'm a big Fleetwood Mac fan (and Stevie Nicks) but when they were in Glasgow I bought one of their band mugs - made in the U.S - but it carries a warning that the mug can't be used for drinking out of as it carries a "lead paint" poisoning tag!!

As with your brand info - you also reminded me of Westclox who, sadly went into liquidation in 2001 (I had an Uncle who worked in the original Scottish factory) but the company was bought by Salton who produce in China. A lot of the old brands suffer from this too - we're not alone in the U.K for getting Chinese made appliances - but some can last under duress. Our "British" Russell Hobbs and Swan appliances are Chinese made with only a few traditional stove-pot kettles still being made in the UK. But then as a consumer you're then limited to going with a heavy, traditional metal kettle that takes ages to boil versus all plastic contraction, lighter and quicker to boil.

Therein is a point for going for Vintage or sticking with vintage products. Yes they do last longer but they were built at a time when you bought something it was for life. To what extent do you judge reliability over versatility/easier use? That's a consideration that not many brands before and after the WW1 considered. I can say that I had a lot of vintage products but they began to get limited over products that are more modern and can do more tasks than one alone. In the UK we are restricted to filter coffee makers that don't grind the beans for you - I know the U.S have tons of products like that, and only now the UK are at last getting blenders that can cook. They're not all going to be ones I may buy, but we now have a wider access to a wider range of appliances designed to make life easier.

I know one thing - as much as I love vintage products in general, I'd never consider buying a carpet beater bat/broom. Taking a rug out and beating it to death in Scotland when it rains/snows/ices 364 out 5 days a year would be total murder!


Post# 168367 , Reply# 16   2/5/2012 at 09:11 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
RS:

As someone who's a bit older than I think you might be, I don't have the expectations of vintage products that a younger person might have. My TriStar and Electrolux vacuums don't have variable power levels, electronic speed control or HEPA filtration, but that's fine with me - I never had those things before, and so don't miss them now. I don't care that my vintage Farberware pots and pans aren't nonstick; I know how to cook without making a chop seize fast to the pan. And I don't mind a bit that my telly is an old CRT model instead of an LCD screen or plasma - while it isn't widescreen or stereo, it's long since paid for, which is more than I can say for many of my friends' 52-inch plasma wonders.

And it takes a bit of judiciousness to use vintage. My washing machine is a 1970s Maytag top-loader which uses more water than today's machines. Since I do only two or possibly three loads per week, it's fine. If I had a family and did more loads, I might consider going to a new front-loader, though it would be with regret that I would be opening the door to problems with shoddy electronic control boards instead of a proper metal timer.

The other wonderful thing about vintage is, it's so CHEAP. My washing machine and dryer were free, discarded by someone who had a bit of trouble with the dryer and decided to get new machines instead of paying to repair something "old;" I spent only about $50 for repair parts for the dryer. I recently found an Electrolux Model L for $20, needing only a bit of cleaning and a new set of tools to make it a very good machine. I have a hobby of sewing upholstery and curtains, and my sewing machine is a Singer Touch-Tronic 2001 in the best cabinet made, costing me all of $130 as opposed to its original price of nearly $2000.

Americans are crazy like that. I don't know if you have the same thing in the U.K. - do people throw out perfectly good things just because they're a bit older, or dirty or need a bit of repair?


Post# 168368 , Reply# 17   2/5/2012 at 09:12 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
P.S.:

I do have a carpet beater, LOL. It's used only for the small rug in the bathroom, and only in decent weather. Here in Iowa, we have some pretty fierce winters most years, though not this one.

Post# 168372 , Reply# 18   2/5/2012 at 09:25 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
P.P.S.:

When I use the carpet beater, I feel quite like Nora Batty! ;-)

Post# 168373 , Reply# 19   2/5/2012 at 09:34 (2,980 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Yep, people in the UK are wasteful, unappreciative and well & truly suckered into the "Don't use that old thing, buy this shiny new one instead" mentality...

Myself, I love vintage things, made back in the day when designs were simple, reliable, economical and long lived, I may only be 26, but I know quality when I see it, and off the shelf stuff these days, it's not quality, it's quantity...

And when a company moves to china, either decided by the management to reduce costs or cos they're bought out by some unpronounceable name company over in the red state, then that's the end of that company, especially of they mix up the brands, heck, look at what TTI has done to Hoover & Royal, making a Royal commercial vac which is actually a domestic Hoover Decade80 with a Royal logo slapped on it!!!


Post# 168374 , Reply# 20   2/5/2012 at 09:49 (2,980 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

"Yep, people in the UK are wasteful, unappreciative and well & truly suckered into the "Don't use that old thing, buy this shiny new one instead" mentality..."

That has been around since the 2nd world war. There have been enough documentaries over the years which have said this. I know it first-hand. The difference was that 'old' items were passed on / repaired / traded in, but the 'mentality' of aspiring to new is actually quite old. If it wasn't for the fact that items can be bought so cheaply now (something UK consumers and consumer groups have demanded) then they would still be re-used when replaced.

Not forgetting that it is almost impossible to get anything mended now (not to mention almost always cost prehibitive on anything less than white-goods), so people have no choice but to buy new.

Interesting point made about electronic controls on washing machines. Of all the automatic front loaders I have ever owned in my life (seven to date), only two had 'physical' programers. The other five were electronic. All of those five failed due to the same manual parts (bearings, brushes, motors) that were in any other machine. Not that i am saying electronic boards don't fail, i am simply speaking as i have found.

I never did diversify into repairing washing machines, but i know plenty who did. The electronic controlled washers were not well received. They were labled 'complicated' and 'troublesome' by the repair guys. Why? Because they didn't know how to fix them. Because also they feared technology. The reason i started buying electronic washing machines was because of the faliure of a physical programmer on a certain Hoover I owned.


Post# 168377 , Reply# 21   2/5/2012 at 10:05 (2,980 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Benny care to let on what washing machines you have had?

Have a Hoover Computer Control 1100 in my kitchen which drives me batty! Still it has it own charm LOL




Post# 168378 , Reply# 22   2/5/2012 at 10:07 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Benny:

You may get better electronic boards in Britain than we get over here; ones in American appliances fizzle out with enormous frequency, at appalling cost. And on everything, including fridges. GE fridge boards are notorious for failure; repair shops in large cities often have hundreds of spares in stock. On the other hand, our vintage electro-mechanical timers often last decades, and are usually re-buildable when they do fail (it's usually just the clock motor).

We have exactly the same problems with motors, spiders (the part that holds a washer's drum) and bearings you do.


Post# 168380 , Reply# 23   2/5/2012 at 10:18 (2,980 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Oh now you're asking! The first one was the one my parents bought and I wasn't involved in washing machines then. It was a Hoover of some sort. I am sure it had orange parts and it had no soap drawer. It was from the 1970's. We had that for what seemed like forever as mother kept having it mended. In 1992 she bought a Hoover logic to replace it, which looked a lot like that dishwasher of yours. It had a thumbwheel dial. That was the one which had programmer issues.

By 1999 my parents had both died so when the washing machine broke in 2000 I got to chose and replaced it with a Hotpoint Aquarius, which broke down more times in the three years I had it than I care to remember. It had two new sets of bearings and a new drum in that time. Hotpoint changed it for a new machine, but i had no confidence in it, so gave it away after 6 months to my wifes daughter. I then had a Zanussi Aquacycle which I really liked but left that in a house i was selling. I had that for about a year. Then I had a Bosch which ran until last year. It got very noisy and then the brushes eventually went, but the motor went with it. That was about 3 months ago. I have another Bosch as I type.


Post# 168420 , Reply# 24   2/5/2012 at 16:01 (2,980 days old) by kenkart ()        
Comparing Chinese products To German...

Is like Comparing a Yugo to a Packard!!!

Post# 168449 , Reply# 25   2/5/2012 at 17:15 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes I remember Yugo cars - the Americans went nuts for those and then they discovered the joys of a Hyundai Pony.

We had endless Hoover washers - the first being a Keymatic (don't ask me which one because I wasn't born then but my mother remembers loosing the keys often) but I do remember at the age of 5 sitting on top of our Twin Tub top loader and learning to tie my shoes. Thereafter we had a Hoover Electron 1100 which had the worst door release button and boy was it noisy! Then a Hoover Ecologic 1300 washer dryer which was hell, kept burning out and endless drive belt problems, Replaced by a Bendix washer dryer that had a hunger for broken door pulls and eventually replaced by an LG washer-only which we've had since 2004, no problems at all and as good as the day we got it. No more drive belt pay outs either!

As a student though I appreciated the American Whirlpool models as they were so much easier to use - its a pity the UK don't have more of the top loader design.


Post# 168452 , Reply# 26   2/5/2012 at 17:31 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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danemodsandy in reply to your post number 16.

Back in the 1990s people were throwing out perfectly good working order appliances just because they were old or needed a good clean - and they're still doing it. The amount of old vintage vacuums I got was amazing and either chucked because of a blocked dust channel or a broken zip on a soft dust bag for the old Classic Hoover uprights.

In recent years vintage vacuums have increased in prices on Ebay. More collectors are buying old machines, restoring them and then setting a high price on them. It's good in a way, but it means that trying to find a banged up model that needs love and attention is getting scarcer. Also the UK is seeing a resurgence of returning to the 1950's to the 1980's - women are now making clothes instead of buying them and going back to the styles reflected in the these time periods. Therefore they are also buying the appliances of that period.

Another aspect the UK have had (and not sure if its an American thing) is that several repairers are doing up old machines such as a Dyson that has stopped production, cleaning out the motor, filters and replenishing lost parts or tools. Slap a 6 month guarantee by law on it, reduce the price and brand it "refurbished" or "graded." They also take catalogue returns as well as machines that have been left to debt collectors. They also take current year machines from several brands and put them out as graded. I only found one company tonight (www.domesticsdirect.co.uk...) who have a whole long list of graded Miele vacuums at seriously good prices!

I like vintage things too, but I've found in my experience you need the space to put them all in, especially if you can't just live with ONE vintage appliance in your home.

twocvbloke - yes people in the UK may be wasteful, but as VR points out rightly, getting repairers to repair an old appliance isn't always cost effective and the parts themselves are scarce or can be expensive to buy. One of the good aspects of the internet then is seeking a supplier yourself for parts and learning to do the repair yourself.

I know in the U.S that there are quite a few private/independent dealers compared to the U.K where most private electrical repairers have died off. This is due to the cost, availability of the parts, supermarket brands, bigger department stores, and ultimately, online shopping.


Post# 168456 , Reply# 27   2/5/2012 at 17:46 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
RS:

A confession here:

With the exception of vacs - which I have six of and want to downsize - I don't collect vintage like most people. I buy just what I need, same as most people do, but my selections are vintage instead of new. I don't have multiple vintage washers and dryers like my friend Ben; I have the one pair, for actual use.

I also look for vintage that can be repaired if necessary. An Electrolux Model V would be a lovely thing to own, but there are no spares available, so I leave such things to the real collectors. More recent Luxes have plenty of spares around if one knows where to look.

I'm sorry to hear that Britain has also succumbed to the "new is good" virus that has gripped America for so long now. I know American ex-soldiers who served in your country during WWII and afterwards, and they still speak admiringly of British fortitude in the face of war, bombing and rationing that seemed as if it would never end (in case any Americans here don't know, British wartime rationing continued on certain items until 1954, and gasoline was rationed all over again for a time in '57, due to the closing of the Suez Canal). Britons were famous for making do on very little.


Post# 168457 , Reply# 28   2/5/2012 at 17:53 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
P.S.:

You know why Yugos had a heated rear window, don't you?

So you could keep your hands warm while you pushed!


Post# 168459 , Reply# 29   2/5/2012 at 17:57 (2,980 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That was the old Skoda, at one time.

Post# 168462 , Reply# 30   2/5/2012 at 18:24 (2,980 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"getting repairers to repair an old appliance isn't

That's easy to work out, manufacturer sells the POSomatic for 29.99, the motor dies, they want 70 for a new one, so customer buys POSomatic2, same thing, then they try another brand, the CrapFactory 5000, the belt breaks, manufacturer says tough luck it's NLA...

It's not the people that are to blame entirely, but when you see perfectly good appliances with excellent aftermarket parts available being thrown out, all because the manufacturers these day can't be bothered to produce spares and thus makes them impossible to repair, it kind of ruins the image of manufacturing, they're just churning out products that will fail and when they do, they refuse to take responsibility for it and leave you stuck with a heap of plastic and no money... :\

I'd rather buy something that can be repaired easily if it breaks, even if it is 2nd hand, it's cheaper than new and there are nicer designs that come from the more prosperous and imaginative parts of the 20th century...


Post# 168479 , Reply# 31   2/5/2012 at 19:28 (2,980 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
The Awful Thing....

....About today's offshore manufacturing practices is that they remove entire industries - and their jobs - from nations. You can hardly find a piece of electronic equipment of any sort made in America, which invented most of the items other countries now profit from so handsomely. Britain invented stainless steel - and you would be very hard-pressed to find much of it made in the U.K. today.

I am all for trade among nations when one nation makes something that is the best of its kind. The French do fashion, fragrances and wines better than anyone else. British woolens and teas and china are the finest in the world. But why on Earth are we permitting our appliance industries to be shipped offshore? We need jobs here in the Western world, too, and our planet cannot afford to ship huge side-by-side refrigerators from China indefinitely.


Post# 168484 , Reply# 32   2/5/2012 at 19:37 (2,980 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"and you would be very hard-pressed to find much of it m

Unless you go to Sheffield, where they still make Sheffield stainless steel.... :\

But yep, manufacturing of "home brands" is gradually and quickly being outsourced, all in the name of "cost effectiveness", a phrase made up by profiteering accountants who couldn't care less about the products their companies make...

As for jobs, well, the UK is struggling, less work (for many reasons, businesses going under, people laying workers off due to high taxes, and the outsourcing to cheaper countries), more unemployed, and we're asking China for loans to keep us out of debt with ourselves, so, we're well and truly screwed... :\

It's just a case of people wanting everything cheap, and the only way for that is either to reduce international trade prices on raw materials, or, send the manufacturing to another cheaper country, and it's far easier to do the latter, even our recycling gets shipped off to cheap countries... :S

Sad part is, most of the western population of the world doesn't even realise that we're owned by the east...


Post# 168488 , Reply# 33   2/5/2012 at 19:48 (2,979 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
David:

Yes, there's still Sheffield. But Old Hall (who pioneered stainless as "Staybright") is gone, and so is the British factory for Oneida, I believe, and I think Viners as well. The brand names are still around, just not the factories or jobs. Midwinter is gone, an extraordinarily fine pottery making exceptionally durable dinnerware.

It's sad.


Post# 168516 , Reply# 34   2/6/2012 at 03:36 (2,979 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

But in all of this, the blame cannot be sat at the feet of the end-user. What has happened in this country has happened because it was allowed to happen. The UK governments past and present could have made sure that we in this country did not go down the line that we've gone down, and insisted that goods had to sell for a minimum price, that goods were still to be made here, and so on, but they didn't. I am still quite annoyed that Dyson was allowed to ship its production out to the far east.

People are no longer eductated in the idea that things cost money, and the reasons why it costs. This is one reason why some consumer groups have campaigned for lower prices. Anyone today who didn't get swept up in the so-called throw-away-society and paid good money to get things fixed when it was cheaper to replace, is a fool to themeselves, unless whatever it was they had mended has some sentimental value.

On a similar note, there are alleged concerns that UK high-streets are dissapearing and shops closing all the time. This is always blamed on recession and lack of money people have to spend. What is never said is that the internet and particularly internet trading, has been allowed to take over, with no thought as to how it would impact the high-street and how we could then compensate for that. No. Suddenly we're all standing round at a deserted shopping parade, scratching our heads and saying 'Who'd have thought it?'.


Post# 168520 , Reply# 35   2/6/2012 at 05:20 (2,979 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Robert, I see you're drinking Kenco. Have you ever tried Nestcafe Gold Blend ? It is what I drink and it beats any other coffee at tasting great and wakening me up in the morning. Just a thought!

Post# 168549 , Reply# 36   2/6/2012 at 12:34 (2,979 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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LOL

You might also notice Mr Murray I have a Bosch Tassimo, that provides the coffee in this household, well worth its price tag.

The Kenco is a jar of decaff, only for when I fancy a coffee before bed or when im detoxing. I dont function without copious amounts of tea or coffee thus require a good detox once a month where I get really moody and at the point of insanity unless I can sup the placebo effect decaff.

Never was fond of Nescafe decaff's much prefer the Kenco one. As far as instants go though Gold Blend is ok but i would rather have one of the fancy Kenco COlumbian/Brazzilian ones or Douwe Egberts gold.



Post# 168610 , Reply# 37   2/6/2012 at 19:57 (2,978 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
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Eh no, twocvbloke - I think you've read me wrong here - Unless you've actually worked in the profession, it's easy to speculate what brands are doing - but some brands make it harder to get the spares against others who don't. I know it myself when I worked with a few repairers.

Private repairers find sourcing parts for old machines from popular brands like Hoover Junior, Senior and Senior Ranger models. The Electrolux Z500s can also be hard to find for spares too. Reason being espares.co.uk have got most of the spares on hand and charge astronomical prices. You're left scouring the country for older models on EBAY, Gumtree to source parts from donor machines rather than pay out the higher costs, because buying from a company also means added VAT unless you have a large franchise where VAT charges are excluded. Thus if you are an independent, private retailer who also provides after care, it can be hard to source the parts unless you've spent loads of money getting the parts in first and seeing what kinds of brands need the most repair. Miele parts were also difficult to get until they started to realise the power of the internet.

Ironically though, of the most modern brands out there, it is Dyson where parts are always available. Those who love the brand turn a blind eye when they look on Ebay.co.uk and see the highest proportion of models broken for spares tend to be Dyson models as well as those that are also, additionally refurbished.

danemodsandy - In view of War time though, the UK still owe America money for the loans we borrowed after WW2. What that says for Hoover UK I don't know - other than continually offering free prize vacuums and competitions, sadly going well into the 1980's with Air Miles until Hoover U.S had enough and separated.


Post# 168656 , Reply# 38   2/7/2012 at 05:55 (2,978 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
RS:

The U.K. repays its loans, unlike some other nations, so that's all right.

And you lot worked your way out of the devastation of the war on your own. Britain after V-E Day was a very grim, bombed-out place with very little pleasure available to its citizens. Your country quickly turned to exports as a way of raising money (ask your grandparents about the "Britain Can Make It" exhibition showcasing British export products sometime; they'll probably remember that many people called it "Britain Can't Have It", a reference to rationing that kept many things unavailable in the home market).

By 1951, with rationing still in place, Britain decided to cast off as much austerity as possible with the Festival of Britain, with the main exhibition on London's south bank, and satellite exhibits around the country. British designs (such as those of Ernest Race) were showcased, bringing in a lot of business from both home and export markets.

I think one of the best things that happened to Britain in the early '50s was the ascension of the present Queen to the throne. While George VI and Queen Elizabeth (later the Queen Mother) were certainly a worthy pair to lead Britain through WWII, having a new, young Queen with the looks and glamour of a film star was exciting. The fact that Her Majesty was highly intelligent, well-educated for her new role and possessed of a great sense of duty was icing on the cake. The Coronation greatly improved the national mood.

America helped rebuild a great many nations after the war. Britain did much more to solve its own problems than most countries. MUCH more.


Post# 168658 , Reply# 39   2/7/2012 at 06:35 (2,978 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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VR - your reflections on what the British government did are spot on. Their stoic, conservative approaches restricted buyers to buy the cheaper Japanese car or indeed any European brand (ironic when Nissan and Toyota would eventually build factories here) forcing large import taxes and instead we had ruddy awful Austin Rover products, . My family were sucked in by that brand a couple of times and I don't recall my father ever having a good word about Austin Rover. British Leyland or BLC were subjectively different the period before but then their products were hugely out of date. But then we also had a whole load of British brands that wouldn't move on, stuck in their old ways of manufacturing and ignorant of the changing needs of buyers who still insisted on quality. No wonder we've become a nation of throwaways - the companies haven't made it easy and their strive to produce reliable goods has been taken over by making easy money.

JM - I started drinking Gold Blend at 14 and finished with the brand 20 years later. It's a minimal drinking experience but a good starter compared to many other Nescafe brands. Their decaf is truly horrible though. My mum adores Nespresso, I don't mind Dolce Gusto but the whole process of turning away from instant to powdered capsules takes away the love of a proper espresso machine, grinds and mess and all!

I'm with TUM84 - the Douwe Egberts Gold is lovely, but more so Cafe Noire which I now buy in the soft packs as the jars are just too expensive.


Post# 170784 , Reply# 40   2/24/2012 at 13:59 (2,961 days old) by papadop ()        
Sorry guys,

I really didn't mean to offend anyone with regards to where the Miele vacuums are assembled.

I'd like to thank everyone who replied.





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