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| Post# 168294 , Reply# 1 2/4/2012 at 17:15 (4,457 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
I am not a Miele guru..... | ||
| Post# 168297 , Reply# 2 2/4/2012 at 17:19 (4,457 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 168315 , Reply# 3 2/4/2012 at 19:26 (4,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 168326 , Reply# 4 2/4/2012 at 21:02 (4,457 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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Puh-leeze! "....what difference does it make if they are Chinese made?" Use your Gran's Kenwood mixer, and then one of the new Chinese-made ones. Then get back to us. | ||
| Post# 168327 , Reply# 5 2/4/2012 at 21:27 (4,457 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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miele there 100 percent german | ||
| Post# 168333 , Reply# 6 2/4/2012 at 23:12 (4,457 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
 All of the current S2 (S2000), S4 (S4000), S5 (S5000), S6 (S6000) and S7 (S7000) models are made in Bielefeld, Germany.
Hope this helps,
Scott This post was last edited 02/05/2012 at 00:31 | ||
| Post# 168350 , Reply# 8 2/5/2012 at 06:29 (4,457 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I don't get the link between poor quality and China? As if the two go hand in hand? Surely they could make better quality in China if the manufacturers actually wanted better quality? | ||
| Post# 168356 , Reply# 10 2/5/2012 at 07:11 (4,457 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Yes I take all that on board, but it misses my point totally. If someone asked a Chinese company to make something of a prescribed quality standard, what is there to stop them making it? The people requesting the poor quality must be happy with what they are getting. | ||
| Post# 168357 , Reply# 11 2/5/2012 at 07:52 (4,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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VR - It's an American thing - I've noticed from other forums I'm on - American consumers have a bigger market share, their continent is bigger by default - thus they have been ripped off by Chinese built offerings, and those who don't admit it won't say it - not everything in China is crap - Americans also don't like the fact that China is communist, and they don't agree with the way people are treated.
danemodsandy - I have a Kenwood hand mixer. It's 10 years old, it's made in China. What's your point? It still goes, it hasn't cracked and the work it's been made to do has been light to heavy action. When it breaks I will buy yet another made in China article - I have confidence in Chinese built things, I don't have a mindset assumption that China builds crap. I don't have confidence in all things German. I had a Braun food processor for many years but getting parts for it was very rare. Braun UK couldn't care less and they ceased production of all their small home care appliances. They're not the first German company to do this. The problem with Miele is that there was an early issue with Miele vacuums - but quelle surprise, it was "only" an issue with certain continent buyers. The early S4 models were made in China, whether Miele wants to admit it or not. The Germans were keen to play down this fact. Screw driver assembly does not infer that the build will be 100% positive-complete. But it's time for people to realise that wherever the model is made, if it doesn't work or something goes wrong within their expectancy, they shouldn't point to the country of origin to where it is produced, but rather the brand itself. | ||
| Post# 168358 , Reply# 12 2/5/2012 at 07:56 (4,457 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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That's what I was thinking. | ||
| Post# 168362 , Reply# 15 2/5/2012 at 08:46 (4,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"Pet owners here lost quite a few pets to the presence of melamine in pet food, put there intentionally by Chinese manufacturers seeking to achieve better test results for the percentage of protein in the product. .."
You just reminded me of something here - I'm a big Fleetwood Mac fan (and Stevie Nicks) but when they were in Glasgow I bought one of their band mugs - made in the U.S - but it carries a warning that the mug can't be used for drinking out of as it carries a "lead paint" poisoning tag!! As with your brand info - you also reminded me of Westclox who, sadly went into liquidation in 2001 (I had an Uncle who worked in the original Scottish factory) but the company was bought by Salton who produce in China. A lot of the old brands suffer from this too - we're not alone in the U.K for getting Chinese made appliances - but some can last under duress. Our "British" Russell Hobbs and Swan appliances are Chinese made with only a few traditional stove-pot kettles still being made in the UK. But then as a consumer you're then limited to going with a heavy, traditional metal kettle that takes ages to boil versus all plastic contraction, lighter and quicker to boil. Therein is a point for going for Vintage or sticking with vintage products. Yes they do last longer but they were built at a time when you bought something it was for life. To what extent do you judge reliability over versatility/easier use? That's a consideration that not many brands before and after the WW1 considered. I can say that I had a lot of vintage products but they began to get limited over products that are more modern and can do more tasks than one alone. In the UK we are restricted to filter coffee makers that don't grind the beans for you - I know the U.S have tons of products like that, and only now the UK are at last getting blenders that can cook. They're not all going to be ones I may buy, but we now have a wider access to a wider range of appliances designed to make life easier. I know one thing - as much as I love vintage products in general, I'd never consider buying a carpet beater bat/broom. Taking a rug out and beating it to death in Scotland when it rains/snows/ices 364 out 5 days a year would be total murder! | ||
| Post# 168368 , Reply# 17 2/5/2012 at 09:12 (4,457 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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P.S.: I do have a carpet beater, LOL. It's used only for the small rug in the bathroom, and only in decent weather. Here in Iowa, we have some pretty fierce winters most years, though not this one. | ||
| Post# 168372 , Reply# 18 2/5/2012 at 09:25 (4,457 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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P.P.S.: When I use the carpet beater, I feel quite like Nora Batty! ;-) | ||
| Post# 168377 , Reply# 21 2/5/2012 at 10:05 (4,457 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 168420 , Reply# 24 2/5/2012 at 16:01 (4,456 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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Comparing Chinese products To German... Is like Comparing a Yugo to a Packard!!! | ||
| Post# 168449 , Reply# 25 2/5/2012 at 17:15 (4,456 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes I remember Yugo cars - the Americans went nuts for those and then they discovered the joys of a Hyundai Pony.
We had endless Hoover washers - the first being a Keymatic (don't ask me which one because I wasn't born then but my mother remembers loosing the keys often) but I do remember at the age of 5 sitting on top of our Twin Tub top loader and learning to tie my shoes. Thereafter we had a Hoover Electron 1100 which had the worst door release button and boy was it noisy! Then a Hoover Ecologic 1300 washer dryer which was hell, kept burning out and endless drive belt problems, Replaced by a Bendix washer dryer that had a hunger for broken door pulls and eventually replaced by an LG washer-only which we've had since 2004, no problems at all and as good as the day we got it. No more drive belt pay outs either! As a student though I appreciated the American Whirlpool models as they were so much easier to use - its a pity the UK don't have more of the top loader design. | ||
| Post# 168452 , Reply# 26 2/5/2012 at 17:31 (4,456 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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danemodsandy in reply to your post number 16.
Back in the 1990s people were throwing out perfectly good working order appliances just because they were old or needed a good clean - and they're still doing it. The amount of old vintage vacuums I got was amazing and either chucked because of a blocked dust channel or a broken zip on a soft dust bag for the old Classic Hoover uprights. In recent years vintage vacuums have increased in prices on Ebay. More collectors are buying old machines, restoring them and then setting a high price on them. It's good in a way, but it means that trying to find a banged up model that needs love and attention is getting scarcer. Also the UK is seeing a resurgence of returning to the 1950's to the 1980's - women are now making clothes instead of buying them and going back to the styles reflected in the these time periods. Therefore they are also buying the appliances of that period. Another aspect the UK have had (and not sure if its an American thing) is that several repairers are doing up old machines such as a Dyson that has stopped production, cleaning out the motor, filters and replenishing lost parts or tools. Slap a 6 month guarantee by law on it, reduce the price and brand it "refurbished" or "graded." They also take catalogue returns as well as machines that have been left to debt collectors. They also take current year machines from several brands and put them out as graded. I only found one company tonight (www.domesticsdirect.co.uk...) who have a whole long list of graded Miele vacuums at seriously good prices! I like vintage things too, but I've found in my experience you need the space to put them all in, especially if you can't just live with ONE vintage appliance in your home. twocvbloke - yes people in the UK may be wasteful, but as VR points out rightly, getting repairers to repair an old appliance isn't always cost effective and the parts themselves are scarce or can be expensive to buy. One of the good aspects of the internet then is seeking a supplier yourself for parts and learning to do the repair yourself. I know in the U.S that there are quite a few private/independent dealers compared to the U.K where most private electrical repairers have died off. This is due to the cost, availability of the parts, supermarket brands, bigger department stores, and ultimately, online shopping. | ||
| Post# 168457 , Reply# 28 2/5/2012 at 17:53 (4,456 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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P.S.: You know why Yugos had a heated rear window, don't you? So you could keep your hands warm while you pushed! | ||
| Post# 168459 , Reply# 29 2/5/2012 at 17:57 (4,456 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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That was the old Skoda, at one time. | ||
| Post# 168520 , Reply# 35 2/6/2012 at 05:20 (4,456 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 168549 , Reply# 36 2/6/2012 at 12:34 (4,456 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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LOL
You might also notice Mr Murray I have a Bosch Tassimo, that provides the coffee in this household, well worth its price tag. The Kenco is a jar of decaff, only for when I fancy a coffee before bed or when im detoxing. I dont function without copious amounts of tea or coffee thus require a good detox once a month where I get really moody and at the point of insanity unless I can sup the placebo effect decaff. Never was fond of Nescafe decaff's much prefer the Kenco one. As far as instants go though Gold Blend is ok but i would rather have one of the fancy Kenco COlumbian/Brazzilian ones or Douwe Egberts gold. | ||
| Post# 168610 , Reply# 37 2/6/2012 at 19:57 (4,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"...because the manufacturers these days can't be bo
Eh no, twocvbloke - I think you've read me wrong here - Unless you've actually worked in the profession, it's easy to speculate what brands are doing - but some brands make it harder to get the spares against others who don't. I know it myself when I worked with a few repairers.
Private repairers find sourcing parts for old machines from popular brands like Hoover Junior, Senior and Senior Ranger models. The Electrolux Z500s can also be hard to find for spares too. Reason being espares.co.uk have got most of the spares on hand and charge astronomical prices. You're left scouring the country for older models on EBAY, Gumtree to source parts from donor machines rather than pay out the higher costs, because buying from a company also means added VAT unless you have a large franchise where VAT charges are excluded. Thus if you are an independent, private retailer who also provides after care, it can be hard to source the parts unless you've spent loads of money getting the parts in first and seeing what kinds of brands need the most repair. Miele parts were also difficult to get until they started to realise the power of the internet. Ironically though, of the most modern brands out there, it is Dyson where parts are always available. Those who love the brand turn a blind eye when they look on Ebay.co.uk and see the highest proportion of models broken for spares tend to be Dyson models as well as those that are also, additionally refurbished. danemodsandy - In view of War time though, the UK still owe America money for the loans we borrowed after WW2. What that says for Hoover UK I don't know - other than continually offering free prize vacuums and competitions, sadly going well into the 1980's with Air Miles until Hoover U.S had enough and separated. | ||
| Post# 168658 , Reply# 39 2/7/2012 at 06:35 (4,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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VR - your reflections on what the British government did are spot on. Their stoic, conservative approaches restricted buyers to buy the cheaper Japanese car or indeed any European brand (ironic when Nissan and Toyota would eventually build factories here) forcing large import taxes and instead we had ruddy awful Austin Rover products, . My family were sucked in by that brand a couple of times and I don't recall my father ever having a good word about Austin Rover. British Leyland or BLC were subjectively different the period before but then their products were hugely out of date. But then we also had a whole load of British brands that wouldn't move on, stuck in their old ways of manufacturing and ignorant of the changing needs of buyers who still insisted on quality. No wonder we've become a nation of throwaways - the companies haven't made it easy and their strive to produce reliable goods has been taken over by making easy money.
JM - I started drinking Gold Blend at 14 and finished with the brand 20 years later. It's a minimal drinking experience but a good starter compared to many other Nescafe brands. Their decaf is truly horrible though. My mum adores Nespresso, I don't mind Dolce Gusto but the whole process of turning away from instant to powdered capsules takes away the love of a proper espresso machine, grinds and mess and all! I'm with TUM84 - the Douwe Egberts Gold is lovely, but more so Cafe Noire which I now buy in the soft packs as the jars are just too expensive. | ||
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