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Post# 167200   1/25/2012 at 13:48 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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So Paul has spurred me on to try and piece together some history about the Panasonic 40 and 50 series machines.

Anybody who was around in the late 80's/early 90's will remember seeing these - they were EVERYWHERE. There were at least 5 that I knew of on my street or neighbouring streets. I grew up with a white Panasonic MC-E44 from 1992. I know they're not everyone's taste, but I love them! I currently have 2 - and MC-E44 and a later MC-E47 (pictured below).


Post# 167201 , Reply# 1   1/25/2012 at 13:49 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Here is all the info I have managed to source so far:


1988 line-up:

MC-E41. White, 600w (smoked clear plastic tool compartment cover)

1989 line-up:

MC-E41N. White, 650w
MC-E42. Light grey, 650w, variable power
MC-E43. Dark grey, 650w, variable power, headlight

1992 line-up:

MC-E44. White, 700w
MC-E45. Light grey, 700w, variable power
MC-E46. Dark grey, 700w, variable power

MC-E53. White, 900w, variable power
MC-E54. Light grey, 900w, variable power, cord rewind
MC-E56. Dark grey, 900w, variable power, cord rewind, headlight

late 1993/early 94 line-up:

MC-E44. White, 700w
MC-E47. Dark green, 700w, variable power


Post# 167202 , Reply# 2   1/25/2012 at 13:56 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The first and second generation 40 series are almost identical to look at, apart from some of the writing style on the front of the cleaner around the bag full indicator.

From what I can tell, the last of the 40 series machines were still on sale as late as 1994/95, but these could possibly have been clearance stock.

The 40 series was replaced by the more sleek looking MC-E450 (and subsequent higher spec 400 series machines). Performance wise, this cleaner was no different to the 40 series as it used the same 700w motor and same style beater bar.

There was only 1 run of 50 series cleaners until they were superseded by the 500 series. The first 2 500 series cleaners (553 in white and 554 in dark green)were not all that different in design from the 50's. They had upped the motor to 1000w and made the hose longer. It wasn't until about 1998 when the Icon was launched that Panasonic totally redesigned the 500's. Unfortunately, I don't have any pics to show of the later style 500's.

So if anyone out there has any additional info or corrections to the info above, I'd be very interested and grateful to know about it. Any catalogue or brochure scans would also be nice :). A few pics of various machines to follow.


Post# 167203 , Reply# 3   1/25/2012 at 13:58 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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MC-E42 in light grey with 650w variable power alongside the larger MC-E53.


Post# 167206 , Reply# 4   1/25/2012 at 14:01 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Later style MC-E553 alongside the last of the 40's, the MC-E47.

Note the 553 isn't all that different from the 53 above. The hose is longer and the motor is 1000w as opposed to 900w (not that I've found any difference in performance between the 2)



Post# 167207 , Reply# 5   1/25/2012 at 14:07 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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MC-E554 in dark green. Same as the 553 but with cord rewind

Post# 167208 , Reply# 6   1/25/2012 at 14:08 (4,468 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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the cordwinder



Post# 167214 , Reply# 7   1/25/2012 at 14:55 (4,467 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Hi

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Hi Chris,
Nice collection of vacs. The 40 series Panasonics was never my fave series I always prefered the 50 series.
The only 40 series I would like is the MC-E43n But I always thought/remember the 43 being more of a blue/navy colour. And when I look at my late 80s brochure it looks more dark blue/navy colour.

I remember my old teacher bringing me it in to school for me to fix.
I thing it was blocked up with pine needles.

I think the only 50 series I would like is a MC-E54 as I have the 53 and 55.
MC-E55 being my fave of the 50 series:o)

James:o)


Post# 167217 , Reply# 8   1/25/2012 at 15:03 (4,467 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hi there. If I can add some information for you, the original MC-E40 cleaners did indeed have the smoked tool storage cover, but you will also notice that they all had a space in the cleaning head for the head lamp. On models MC-E41 and MC-E42 cleaners, the head lamp lens had been substituted for a colour-matched panel instead. These cleaners hit the stores as far back as mid 1986.

These cleaners then underwent a slight overhaul, with a redesigned roller (the original roller was liable to lose it's end brushes), solid-colour tool storage cover, and no headlamp space in the cleaning head of models MC-E41 and 42.

With the introduction of the 650watt motor came the introduction of seperate hose to attach to on-board hose.

After this, and before the model number were changed to 44, 45, and 46, the cleaners were given a mini make-over, with more pronounced letting, a thicker, glossy mains lead, and what seemed like no end of sticky labels all over the cleaner, warning the user to keep the mains lead and small children away from the roller.

There was a bit of fuss on Watchdog in the early 1990s as some children had been sticking their fingers in the revolving brushes. This led to the introduction of covers for the end brushes. They were avaliable as an after-market option for older models and became standard on newer ones.


Post# 167219 , Reply# 9   1/25/2012 at 15:19 (4,467 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi Benny,

Thanks for the info on the early 40 series machines. I've managed to acquire the optional extension hose recently. Based on info from the manual's, I think this came as standard with the top 2nd generation top end machines but was extra to buy for the lower end.

I've never actually not seen one of the models with the smoked plastic tool cover in years, so they must be getting pretty rare now.

I did notice that the difference in performance between the 650w and 700w models is actually quite astonishing for only a 50w increase - was the motor totally redesigned?

Regarding the end caps for the brushroll, neither my 44 or 47 have the end caps, despite being later models. Do you know when Panasonic started fitting them as standard?

Thanks,

Chris


Post# 167221 , Reply# 10   1/25/2012 at 15:34 (4,467 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hi there.

Well first things first. Once the extention hose was released, it was avaliable for all three cleaners in the range. I think it may have been because the Electrolux Contour -for which was Pansonic's biggest competitor in my mind- had a longer hose that the 600 series ever did. The Panasonic had been alright until then, but after the Contour, it had to compete.

Sadly, I cannot remember the models which came with the introduction of safety guards over the end roller brushes. The cleaners with smoked covers were always the rarest. I think the plastic was too hard and brittle.

Now the difference in suction bewteen the 650 and 700 watt motor. Well, I can't remember if they were the same motors but I am fairly sure they were different. However, the notable difference in suction will almost certainly be down to the static fans being clogged on the 650w motor. This happened all the time on this type of motor. The only way of getting the fan cover off the motor is to saw one side of the metal cover with a hack-saw, and prise it off. You can then wrap insulation tape around the cover, to ensure a tight fit when replacing it after cleaning the fans.

The other major problem with this Panasonic range was that the rear wheels always wore into the casing of the cleaner.


Post# 167222 , Reply# 11   1/25/2012 at 15:38 (4,467 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Also, and I did not make this clear, sorry, in my original reply to you I said:

"These cleaners then underwent a slight overhaul, with a redesigned roller (the original roller was liable to lose it's end brushes), solid-colour tool storage cover, and no headlamp space in the cleaning head of models MC-E41 and 42".

What I did not make clear was that these cleaners still had 600w motors. The 650w motors came later on. I thought later than your suggested 1989 but I cannot remember with any certainty, so I shall leave that one alone.


Post# 167223 , Reply# 12   1/25/2012 at 15:48 (4,467 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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To add, ~Our matching Green 47, to chris's blue one.

Still using it as a daily machine, I really quite like it.


Post# 167224 , Reply# 13   1/25/2012 at 15:53 (4,467 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Rob...

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..mine and your 47's are identical. I don't think they did one in blue. Glad to see you're liking it though. You can see why my Mum loved the 44 and used to use that over our Legend 2 - it's lightweight, powerful, decent pick up and practical to use.

Post# 167225 , Reply# 14   1/25/2012 at 15:56 (4,467 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Chris you jest?

I swear that picture you posted on fb came out blue. Il have to go and look now but it defo struck me as being Royal Blue. I dont remember seeing a blue one but wouldnt of put it past anyone considering the 1994 - 1998 fashion of Royal Blue/Racing Green/Pillarbox Red schemes.


Post# 167226 , Reply# 15   1/25/2012 at 16:01 (4,467 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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No, it's definitely green with gold writing lol

Post# 167227 , Reply# 16   1/25/2012 at 16:08 (4,467 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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are you sure? is it in the catalogue? can you point to it?

Post# 167231 , Reply# 17   1/25/2012 at 16:16 (4,467 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
are you sure? is it in the catalogue? can you point to it?

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Is it a sorbet??

Post# 167245 , Reply# 18   1/25/2012 at 18:13 (4,467 days old) by kenkart ()        
I See some Kenwood!

Mixers!! a rare thing around here!

Post# 167247 , Reply# 19   1/25/2012 at 18:26 (4,467 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well whatever the colour, I bet it has good castors.

Post# 167249 , Reply# 20   1/25/2012 at 19:20 (4,467 days old) by Jayelux (Dallas, TX)        
Headlight

Very nice vacuums, and I love the cord winder! However, why do European uprights and power nozzles rarely have headlights? That extra bit of light is helpful to me. I can't imagine a bit of extra light in Cheshire, Lancashire or even in Prague wouldn't be helpful there also. Why are the lights so rare on European models?

Post# 167279 , Reply# 21   1/26/2012 at 03:57 (4,467 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hi. All I can say is that the head lamps in the vast majority of vacuum cleaners quickly failed. Not all, and in fact the Panasonic bulbs usually lasted the lifetime, but most failed. The 12v Hoover bulb was a lot better than the 240v bulbs, but they too had a high faliure rate.

To be honest, I don't think UK customers were all that bothered about headlamps and only had them because that was what the cleaner came with. There were only two models of Hoover Junior with headlamps which were a choice if you like, as you could buy one of those or the standard model. All the senior cleaners in the Hoover range had bulbs. As did our Starlight, but later that was taken off when it was renamed Junior Deluxe.

Once the mainstream Junior with headlight was discontinued, they were only sold with headlamps as exclusive lines. Even the Senior U4186 went down this road in the early 1980s. Some of the Goblin Housemaid and Commander cleaners had a choice of headlamp model or not. Electrolux has never had a headlamp on any of it's upright. Now Electrolux uprights had always been stupidly good sellers, so maybe it was finally recognised by the others that a headlamp was just not an important feature.

Not that I'm saying I don't like the headlamps, because I do. I think they look rather swish.


Post# 167289 , Reply# 22   1/26/2012 at 05:07 (4,467 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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On the subject of headlamps, I wish more cleaners had them!

My HOOVER Ranger U4014 has a "Hedlite", and I love it! As the saying went - "It lights where it's going, it's clean where it's gone!"

I remember a Vax (I think it was) we had for a very short time (my mother sent it back after one day because she didn't like how the telescopic handle felt "loose") had a headlamp and it was very good - Brighter than the one on my Ranger.


Post# 167332 , Reply# 23   1/26/2012 at 13:31 (4,467 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I bet it has good castors

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"take it away the trolley!?"

anyway, headlights, I never saw the point. Especially on the higher end Panasonic models of the 40 and 50 series, they were simply a way of sticking a bigger price tag on the machine. There is absolutely no difference in cleaning ability between the 44 and 46 and the 53 and 55 - they just come with headlights and variable power.

I do remember once as a child asking my Dad why the vacuum had a light on the front, to which he responded "in case you're hoovering in a power cut". Took me years to figure out what he was on about!


Post# 167333 , Reply# 24   1/26/2012 at 13:37 (4,467 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It was once said that the headlamp was useful in days gone by in houses where the only powerpoint was the over head cieling light. Taking the bulb out to plug in the cleaner meant of course that the room had no artificial light. It could be a myth, but it does have some practical sense behind it.

Post# 167334 , Reply# 25   1/26/2012 at 13:37 (4,467 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Your father was very witty Chris!

Post# 167337 , Reply# 26   1/26/2012 at 13:59 (4,467 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Your father was very witty Chris!

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He still is. The other day he told me the best cure for hiccups was to stick your head in a bucket of water 3 times, but only bring up twice...

Post# 167498 , Reply# 27   1/27/2012 at 20:36 (4,465 days old) by hoover719 ()        

It looks very much like a Hoover TurboPower. Was this vacuum cleaner made to compete with the TurboPower?

Post# 167753 , Reply# 28   1/30/2012 at 11:24 (4,463 days old) by turbopowerpaul (UK)        

hi Chris.

Saw this machine a few months ago on ebay. Not knowing anything about Panasonic cleaners, it nevertheless caught my eyes!
Noted it down as an MC-E55, I take it that this is top of the range and is from the same series as the white MC-E53 pictured earlier in the thread?
Paul


Post# 167772 , Reply# 29   1/30/2012 at 15:43 (4,462 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

I had an MC-E43 from new and it had three problems.

It was singularly useless at removing grit from short pile carpets. The grit would be bouncing in front of the cleaner, but would not be swept into the airflow, no matter how many sweeps you made.

The twin 120 volt bulbs were Edison Screw. The vibration from the beating action constantly unscrewed at least one of them. Because they were wired in series, the lights went out. Give me Bayonet Caps any day.

WHICH? recommended them one year as a Best Buy. Yet the following year they reported a problem with a blockage that was very difficult to clear. I experienced a problem where dust, fluff, and dog hair made its way into the motor cavity by way of the wheel axle. The axle simply sticks through the lower half of the motor shell with no seals at all. Silly design.


Post# 167787 , Reply# 30   1/30/2012 at 18:37 (4,462 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That grey cleaner there is a lovely looking machine, though I would stake my life on it having had a new mains lead as the original was usually grey. Not that it matters.

I can't argue at all with what Rolls_Rapide has said. I never thought that the Panasonic uprights felt like they were doing much cleaning as they never seemed to suck at the carpet in the same way that none-floating head cleaners did. The suction plays three roles usually, that being to grip the carpet, to remove debris by suction, and to suck away debris removed by the roller brush. In the case of the Panasonic, it seemed like the suction only did one of the three, that being to suck away debris from the roller. As I mentioned on another thread, my wife bought a Hoover Turbopower 3 in 1997. This was to replace a Panasonic MCE-43N which she'd bought long before I knew her. She never ceased to say how 'heavy' the Hoover was to push about, I suppose this was due to the thin rear wheels and none floating head, but did often say how much better she thought it was at cleaning.


Post# 167972 , Reply# 31   2/1/2012 at 15:36 (4,460 days old) by baglessball ()        

There is is a MC-E43 on eBay, grey with headlight and clear tool door..

Post# 167973 , Reply# 32   2/1/2012 at 15:41 (4,460 days old) by baglessball ()        

Also completely agree about the lack of grit removal! This used to baffle me when I was a kid. I would reppeatedly vacuum the same spot and still grit would bounce out of the carpet in front of the machine no matter how many strokes I would make..

Post# 168169 , Reply# 33   2/3/2012 at 20:26 (4,458 days old) by hoover719 ()        

Is the MC-E554 the same as a Miele Powerhouse S174i?

Post# 168296 , Reply# 34   2/4/2012 at 17:17 (4,457 days old) by vacu-finder ()        

Never seen one myself..........but I is a big fan of Panasonic. Pretty looking MC-E44 and MC-E47 machines

Post# 168316 , Reply# 35   2/4/2012 at 19:43 (4,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh this takes me back! When I started out collecting someone gave me a 1989 year white MCE 41N - I loved that vacuum and then I got the green MC E53. As someone has already mentioned, I too had more problems with the MC E53 - the auto cord mechanism was quite a struggle but more to the point the motor had seen better days and the variable suction dial was next to useless. Good vacuum when it worked properly but not as eager or as compact to push as the MCE 41N.

Also, a fact that Panasonic now stipulate with their silly current bagged series is the 2 drive belt system which is a bit of a nonsense to have to remove both just to replace the drive belt. It was the same set up on my bagless uprights, MCE 4003 and MCE 4111.



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