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Post# 166696   1/22/2012 at 13:54 (3,091 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        

Ok so here's the new European TOL Purepower TPP2340 suction model this one has what's called Intelli-Sense. Nothing new we have all seen feature before called lots of different names, Autosence, Dirt Alert, ect ect....

Its 2300W and for a made in PRC the build quality is really good, it's very quite too...

Post# 166697 , Reply# 1   1/22/2012 at 13:56 (3,091 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        
Intelli-Sense up close

ready for action

Post# 166698 , Reply# 2   1/22/2012 at 13:57 (3,091 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        
The carpet is clean


Post# 166699 , Reply# 3   1/22/2012 at 13:58 (3,091 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        
Not clean enough yet


Post# 166777 , Reply# 4   1/23/2012 at 08:34 (3,090 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I saw this recently on Hoover Europe's channel and was really impressed ! I love the look of this vacuum.
However the "power sense" is nothing new - my old Turbopower 2 Autosense from the 1990's had this feature, a 3 traffic light panel on the front. You could adjust it manually if you didn't agree with the vacuum at the time, thus giving you a three selection speed control but when I think back to it, the highest and the middle suction didn't give much of a difference, just noisier.

Post# 167141 , Reply# 5   1/25/2012 at 00:51 (3,089 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Firstly - That cleaner looks great!

Secondly, in my experience, there is quite a difference between the low and high Autosense levels in the Turbopower range, which you can see if you put your hand up to the end of the hose on the lowest level, vacuum up some dirt to rev the motor up, then put your hand over the end of the hose again. You should notice a considerable difference in suction - At least I do anyway...

The thing I don't agree with about that new Purepower, is the fact it says "Clean" and "Not Clean". Well, just because there isn't enough dirt to activate the higher wattage, it doesn't mean the carpet is clean! There could very well still little pieces of dirt on the carpet which the system won't realise.

If I stopped vacuuming when my Turbopower stayed on the lowest wattage, my carpets would still be dirty!

Post# 167142 , Reply# 6   1/25/2012 at 00:53 (3,089 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ah sorry - I misunderstood what you said! Still though, I notice an increase in suction from the low, high, and Turbo levels, but maybe I just notice things more.

Post# 167147 , Reply# 7   1/25/2012 at 06:30 (3,088 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Or may be you don't - because as far as I'm concerned, there was little difference between the medium and turbo setting on the TP2/3 series. Same with the Turbopower dirty fan models - not much difference between the 1 and 2 settings, unless of course you had a fresh new bag, untainted and unclogged.

Post# 167210 , Reply# 8   1/25/2012 at 14:36 (3,088 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

2300 Watts??? That's more than what my tumble dryer uses!!!! :S

Post# 167213 , Reply# 9   1/25/2012 at 14:54 (3,088 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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I think not lol. 2.3kw Heater maybe but then still cost in the 300w or more motor. Maybe even a pump if its condensor or other fan etc and you maye be in at around 2.8/2.9kw

Post# 167215 , Reply# 10   1/25/2012 at 14:57 (3,088 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Whoa 2300 Watts sure is a lot!

Post# 167278 , Reply# 11   1/26/2012 at 03:52 (3,088 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"I think not lol."

I think so, it's a Beko computerised POS, and my wattmeter registers about 1.4 Kilowatts when it's running (give or take a few if the TV's on and laptops are running or whatever), so whichever way you look at it, that vac uses more power than a tumble dryer... :S

Why can't they just use proper, efficient, 2-stage motors? Like the 1000 Watt one I put into my Tristar, that thing will drag rugs across the floor with the rug nozzle fitted, and uses less electrical power, turning it into greater suction & airflow power than most modern cylinders, AND doesn't scream so loud that my ears feel like they're going to burst and start bleeding as with many high-wattage vacuums manufacturers spout out these days...

As for the Intelli-sense feature, my Tristar, and heck my miele too, have those features, they're called my Eyes and Ears, if I don't see dirt on the carpet or hear it going up the tubes, it's clean, can't beat human intelligence... :)

Post# 167280 , Reply# 12   1/26/2012 at 04:02 (3,088 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Interested to know what model Beko it is?

if its drying cotton loads on hi heat and only using 1400 watts then i might consider replacing my energy guzzling "Normal" tumble dryer that draws 2800W.

Post# 167281 , Reply# 13   1/26/2012 at 04:02 (3,088 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The motor wattages are getting to the stupid stage now. It's just the quickest and easiest way of attempting to get some half decent suction power from a bagless cleaner which clogs. Panasonic are one brand where they are fitting lower wattage motors and claiming to be X amount more efficient. I was going to say it will have to stop at some point, but when? Then I realised they can't go over 3kw. So probably then.

Post# 167282 , Reply# 14   1/26/2012 at 04:11 (3,088 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"Interested to know what model Beko it is?"

As far as I know, the Pieceocrapomatic, the computer's unreliable, doesn't put out enough heat, and has a really rubbish sensor-drying thing which senses nothing, so shuts off too early if you have a slightly undersized or oversized load, so you have to start it again to dry the damp clothes...

I hate it, I'd rather have my old 2 Kilowatt White Knight compact dryer, with a clockwork timer and two settings, High and Low, nothing to go wrong and very simple to maintain...

If you really want one after that, it's one of these (only ours has a few dents where my boots have gotten up close and personal with it!!):

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Post# 167283 , Reply# 15   1/26/2012 at 04:18 (3,088 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Oh right,

Yes its one that draws around 2800watts normally so yes the vac does not pull as much as the dryer.

I would suggest if its not drying cotton very well you dont use the low heat button which makes the heater run cooler thus registering around 1400W.

Post# 167284 , Reply# 16   1/26/2012 at 04:26 (3,088 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

There is no low heat button, all you have is a knob to select a programme (all of which are useless even the 60 minute programme never lasts 60 minutes), a start-stop button, and an "Alarm Cancel" button, it's all to do with it's sensor drying detecting what it needs to do, and it fails at doing so...

And as for a 2.8KW dryer rating, I have seen vacs with that rating, and higher, so, yeah, I'll stick with my 1KW Tristar...

(and also, stick with your dryer, more watts means more heat dry dry in less time, because contrary to belief, less watts means slower drying times and more energy wasted turning the drum, not very efficient!!!)

Post# 167285 , Reply# 17   1/26/2012 at 04:41 (3,087 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        
And as for a 2.8KW dryer rating, I have seen vacs with that

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but we were talking about this Hoover? the Purepower one? didnt see any mention of anything else???

I would suggest you have Beko out to the dryer anyway and have them look at it, seems like you got a lemon there.

Dont know how you would explain the boot marks though. They may make your warranty null and void for the abuse. Always better to call out the enginner if its not right as tumble dryers dont feel pain or fear and thus dont work any better when kicked.

Post# 167293 , Reply# 18   1/26/2012 at 05:36 (3,087 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You're right Benny, it won't be long (in fact I think it'll be within this year!) before some Vacuum Cleaner brand (probably HOOVER) brings out a cleaner with a 3000W motor.

Absolutely ridiculous!

The reason for all the massive motors these days is because none of the brands can be bothered to give a cleaner good design so it doesn't need so much power to perform well, so they just design them poorly and give them the biggest motor possible to try and get good suction.

My 500 watt 1982 Electrolux 502S has plenty suction, and unless you turn the suction selector down to "MIN", it'll suck the door mat right into the brush roll!

Same with my 400 watt 1977 HOOVER Ranger for that matter, only you can't turn the suction down on that so I have to raise the height.

So let me get this straight - 500 watts was more than enough to keep carpets clean back in the 80's, so why isn't it now ? I can't see why not, as I still use my Electrolux 3-4 times a week and have never been disappointed with the suction, nor seen any dirt left behind after one "sweep".

All in all, Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers are getting lazy and trying to make good cleaners with less work.

It is like back in the 50's and 60's where cars had V8's which barely put out 150BHP, where as there are I4 engines these days which with the right design can put out OVER 150BHP!

I think Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers should look back at automotive history, and see that they can make smaller motors with the same, or more suction than larger ones.

That's my Two Pence!

Post# 167294 , Reply# 19   1/26/2012 at 06:10 (3,087 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"seems like you got a lemon there."

Happens with a lot of Beko products, remember their fridges that burned peoples houses or flats down? How does that even work, a fridge causing fire... :S

It's long out of warranty, was bought over three years ago, sucked from day one, the former owner (the mother's ex) couldn't care less back then, so, yeah, it's not going to get repaired or looked at, I'd rather it just died so I can strip it of it's relays & wires, sell the motor (it'll most likely be fine, the electronics will goof up and die, not that they haven't already) and then get a reliable White Knight dryer...

Back on the subject of vacuums & high-wattage motors, the reason why the power has increased so much is because of the bagless designs that have been in use, the filters clog up so quickly that to overcome the problem, they make the motor suck more by spinning it faster to retain some of it's cleaning power, hence why they're screamers, in order to cool the motor, but in doing so, they created the problem of excessive heat build up...

Older bagged dirty-fan and clean-air vacuums didn't and still don't have this problem because of the simple logic of the idea of the bag, when you throw out the old bag, you're throwing out the dirty, clogged, dust-encrusted filter, but with a modern cheap bagless, you're just dumping out what hasn't stuck to the filter fibres and not cleaning the filter out, thus it clogs and causes the vacuum to fail (either not picking up, overheating and cutting out, or in the worst case, completely burning out due to lack of sufficient cooling airflow), which is why I'm not a fan of most modern vacuums, they fail too easily and are more of a pain to maintain than all of my vacs put together...

When you think about design, look at modern Tristars, Miracle Mates or Patriots, they're using the same basic design & layout as they have done since they brought out the first Compact vacuum, with only aesthetic or filtration design changes over the years, it works, it's efficient, it's reliable, and best of all, it's simple, if you start adding things on, putting blue LEDs all over it, putting higher wattage single-stage motors in, then it gets inefficient and unreliable. There's an old catchphrase, often used in the military, "Keep It Simple Stupid!!!", or "KISS" for short, works for everything, not just vacuums...

Post# 167309 , Reply# 20   1/26/2012 at 11:54 (3,087 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I know what you mean about Bagless cleaners having to have higher wattage motors, as my Panasonic MC-E8011 Twin Cyclonic Bagless cylinder has an 1800W motor, which I find very large, but when you think about it, it is probably necessarily large!

The HOOVER in question is a bagged machine though - So why 2300W!?

Post# 167314 , Reply# 21   1/26/2012 at 12:19 (3,087 days old) by SuctionSelector (Leeds, England)        

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The Beko's are pants. Family friend owns a Beko washer,2 years old, around 9 repairs.

My tumble dryer uses up a small amount of energy (Creda(Hotpoint made)), but is around 9years old!

Oh, and sorry to speak about dryers, one of my speciallities...


Post# 167316 , Reply# 22   1/26/2012 at 12:26 (3,087 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I can't really agree with you in saying all Beko appliances are bad, as we have a Beko WM5100W Washing Machine and a Beko cooker with fan oven and both work very well.

Post# 167318 , Reply# 23   1/26/2012 at 12:34 (3,087 days old) by SuctionSelector (Leeds, England)        

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Thats the Beko I'm on about, does it have 2 dials, 5kg and 1000spin?

Post# 167320 , Reply# 24   1/26/2012 at 12:37 (3,087 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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No, it is the more basic version with 5KG load and 1000RPM spin but just the one dial.

The more expensive version has another dial for the spin speed.

Post# 167321 , Reply# 25   1/26/2012 at 12:48 (3,087 days old) by baglessball ()        

Miele vacuums use high wattage motors too..

Personally I think high wattage is a marketing gimmick. For those who aren't really in the know about vacuums, and don't know the first thing about airwatts they see a high power motor and think the machine is more powerful.

I would much prefer suction over noise/heat. My dyson DC41 uses a 1300 watt motor and has 255 airwatts. Does an Electrolux vitesse use 1800w? And only has something like 180 airwatts! Pants!

But unsuspecting people buy in to it..

Post# 167326 , Reply# 26   1/26/2012 at 13:00 (3,087 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

2CV, sorry to hear of your Beko experience and yours is not the first dryer I have heard about going wrong or doing what it liked. But you will be a fool to yourself to tar all autosense dryers with the same brush. Mine is a Bosch and is well into its 12th year. It is a condensor type but I no longer need that feature so will buy vented next time as clearing the condensor is an bit fiddly. The auto drying fuction has saved me all the guess work and has never let me down. Yet.

Back to the cleaners. I do agree that high wattage is a marketing gimmick, there are no two ways about that. But I also beleive it part serves a purpose which has already been covered, about needing power when a filter is clogged.

I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor. I am sure it is so they can sit in the same wattage leauge as all the others. Personally I would have prefered to seem them rise above it and put the effort into the marketing (and explaining what matters regarding wattage) than just increasing the wattage.

Post# 167327 , Reply# 27   1/26/2012 at 13:10 (3,087 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh yes, it is totally a gimmick!

Back in 2008 when we were in the market for a new Vacuum Cleaner, and neither me or my mum were "in the know" about cleaners, so we went for the highest wattage cleaner we could afford.

Luckily it turned out well as the JMB SC1056 has been very reliable and has great suction, but we could have ended up with an overpowered screamer!

Luckily, these days, I know what I'm talking about, so if I did buy a new cleaner, I'd go for the higher air watts, regardless of the actual wattage.

The fact is though, that I'd sooner buy a 1980's cleaner than a new one, so I'll never have to bother about avoiding overpowered pieces of dirt!

Post# 167331 , Reply# 28   1/26/2012 at 13:26 (3,087 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor

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funny you should say that, Benny. The Miele cleaners in the states are all 1200w. I think a lot of the European models are too, so it seems it's only the UK that has fallen for this wattage hype.

Post# 167347 , Reply# 29   1/26/2012 at 14:54 (3,087 days old) by baglessball ()        

It must be what sells in the UK market..

Post# 167350 , Reply# 30   1/26/2012 at 15:09 (3,087 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

My miele S316i is 1500 Watts, and in my view is pushing my limit on vac wattage, but at least it has a control on it to reduce it's power usage, even if the electronics look like they've been placed under a grill and turned a nice golden brown ready to burn out...

The Vax foldaway I had came with a 1400w motor, but that too was a screamer, hated it (dunno why I bothered salvaging it, but I guess I'm just a kleptomaniac at times!!), the filter was falling apart after being washed properly, and I didn't fancy dropping 15 on a new filter for it, but the noise, ugh, the only other vac to give me a bad case of tinnitus after using it is my Kirby Vacuette, but the vax, my ears were whistling for hours afterwards trying it out after fixing it, they should supply free ear defenders with modern vacs, surely their decibel ratings are in the danger zone.... :S

Oh, and for the record, we have a Creda washer that's about 10 years old, all repairs have been basic maintenance (fill hoses & motor brushes, oh, and a new door hinge when that brother of mine broke it's door off), it'd be nice to have the matching dryer, but, they'd never be side-by-side so no point really...

Post# 167458 , Reply# 31   1/27/2012 at 09:38 (3,086 days old) by SuctionSelector (Leeds, England)        

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We have the Hotpoint version of yourwasher with 100spin and 5kg. Model WM62. It solders on after 11 years at our caravan!

Post# 167490 , Reply# 32   1/27/2012 at 19:16 (3,086 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I'm surprised you know what we have when I haven't said what we have or shown a picture of it... :\

And it's a Creda Simplicity 1200-spin, model 17111...

Post# 167584 , Reply# 33   1/28/2012 at 18:01 (3,085 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Noisy vacs

The early Dyson DC07 had such a shrill whistling that I'm sure that it gave me tinnitus. They changed the vortex-finder design on the later versions, so there is more of a dull roar.

I couldn't stand the noise of the DC03, it set my teeth on edge.

The latest Panasonic bagless upright seem to be good: 1500Watt motor, generating 350 Air Watts. Powerful, with subdued noise. Having used my mum's, the machine picks up very well, and is easy to empty and easy to maintain the filter: just rotate the filter wheel a few times, dunt the container a few times and the stoor falls out. There is never a lot of dust clinging to the insides of the bin. The shroud holes do clog a bit though, just like the Dyson and the Vax Mach Air. But it is easily cleaned.

The Dyson DC15 seems to gather a lot of dust in the inner cyclone chamber. It clings to the roof of the chamber. The Panasonic doesn't have this problem.

Also, comparing the DC15 "Ball" manoeuvrability to the Panasonic, I vastly prefer the Panasonic. The DC15's wrist-twisting action is a recipe for carpal-tunnel syndrome. True, you do have to shuffle about to change direction, but at least you're not straining your wrists.

Post# 167629 , Reply# 34   1/29/2012 at 08:21 (3,084 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well not all Beko things are bad. I had a BEKO TV for a good 15 years before giving it away when I upgraded to LCD.

Post# 167631 , Reply# 35   1/29/2012 at 08:25 (3,084 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have Beko too. It was just that I heard someone else say that their dryer had been a pain from the word go.

Post# 167720 , Reply# 36   1/30/2012 at 06:32 (3,083 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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One thing I hate is a high pitched Vacuum Cleaner motor.

I really don't mind a low pitched loud motor, like the old roaring HOOVER motors from the Senior range, in fact I love them.

My 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 1800W Bagless cylinder has an awfully loud high pitched noise on the maximum wattage, and so does my 2008 JMB SC1056 1400W Bagged cylinder.

I guess it must be something that modern cylinders have - High pitched screamers!

The afore mentioned cleaners work very well in terms of suction though, so that makes up for it.

Post# 167765 , Reply# 37   1/30/2012 at 15:07 (3,083 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

I think part of the problem in the cheapest cleaners is the restricted airflow and cheap flimsy plastic with no sound proofing.

With some of the multi-cyclonic machines, the tortuous air path seems to set up an ultrasonic whistling which pets do not like.

The MC-UL596 sounds quite refined in comparison.

Post# 167767 , Reply# 38   1/30/2012 at 15:17 (3,083 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh that whistling...

It drives me MAD!

My Panasonic Twin Cyclonic does that on MAX wattage and it makes my ears ring.

None of my Bagged machines do that though.

If manufacturers spent more money making well designed Bagged machines rather than cheap, poorly designed Bagless machines, they would make a lot of Vacuum Cleaner enthusiasts like myself very happy.

I'll probably never buy a brand new Vacuum Cleaner again, because most of them are Bagless, and the ones that are Bagged are so poorly designed they are rubbish.

The only manufacturer that makes good Vacuum Cleaners these days is Numatic. And I'm sure it won't be long before they are made in China and the costs are cut to a minimum to save money and bring them down to the current level of quality - VERY LOW!

Post# 167771 , Reply# 39   1/30/2012 at 15:33 (3,083 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well ever the optimist, I beg to differ about Numatic. They make some good equipment which does what it has to do. Granted they are not pefect, but in a perfect world there would be no need for a vacuum cleaner. Numatic has found it's niche and my goodness me it is sticking to it. I don't doubt that numatic make very little money on the sale of their machines, considering what they must cost to make and the relativly low retail price, but they do seem to be sticking to what they know when it comes to making a product and finding their market.

They have 'cheapend' their cleaners over the years, but then they did at least sell the cheaper models as a different concern (like James and Nuvac), whilst keeping their flagship cleaners (Henry, George) as good as people had grown to expect. There is no doubt too that they are cashing in on the domestic market more and more, with people who've had every bagless cleaner under the sun throwing their hands in the air admitting defeat, before picking a Henry or whatever.

I really do trust in Numatic and hope they will see that it's what they have which makes them what they are.

Post# 167775 , Reply# 40   1/30/2012 at 15:56 (3,083 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Don't get me wrong - I pray that Numatic never go downhill and that they keep on making Vacuum Cleaners with the same quality and durability for years to come, but I can't help thinking that one day they will start to thin out the plastic and shorten the flex etc...

My 2007 Numatic Henry is certainly my toughest cleaner and I can almost guarantee years of flawless service, which is more than could be said for a 29.99 "Bargain" Bagless Vacuum Cleaner.

I'm not sure who said it, but somebody said that with Bagless cleaners the best way to empty them when they get full is to throw the whole thing in the bin. Very true! Ha ha ha.

Post# 167777 , Reply# 41   1/30/2012 at 16:21 (3,083 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well if anything, the flex has got longer over the years. That was my point, it's things like that which make it what it is, and it seems Numatic know this. Shortening the lead is an easy way to save money, but they seem to know it means a lot to the customer.

Post# 167808 , Reply# 42   1/30/2012 at 22:13 (3,083 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The flex may well get longer but I bought into Numatic through the commercial Henry version (grey one) and then a domestic James. James is as we know a cut down version of Henry, but my older model had a top 800 watt suction motor. I didn't mind that because the bags were full and the vacuum was capable. But in the early days of purchase I never realised that the cable had to lasso'd manually and some Numatics that have the longer cord with the open James top can be quite a disappointment at the end of cleaning and you have all that cable to deal with.

I definitely agree that Numatic are sticking to what they know works. Despite my grunt about the lack of a manual cord winder as with the more expensive Henry model, at least the open top of James means the tools can be stored, even if they don't lock into the recesses properly and wobble about. Also the cord is easy to replace on the James - Henry has a panel that has to be removed, I think.

But, Numatic's principles of design are a bit like SEBO. They deal with the commercial/industry side of things, putting the basics on machines for reliability and longer working hours rather than fads.

Post# 167817 , Reply# 43   1/31/2012 at 01:34 (3,083 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Numatic have cheapened things, the two 1000w motors I bought (one for the Tristar, one for Project BarrelVac) that were destined for numatic vacs, they're a chinese Ametek-clone, though for once a pretty decent copy, just wear work gloves when fitting cos of the sharp edges (yeah, that's how they're cheaper, less refining!!!), so they do come with chinese components, heck, there's not a lot these days that don't come with chinese made parts, that's how they have their stranglehold over us in the western world...

But anyway, the motors are far better quality than the crap fitted to most cheap cylinders & uprights, and have more of a roar to them (lower RPM, and being 2-stage, much, much more airflow!!) and a very slight high-pitch whine (comes from the carbon brushes rubbing on the commutator), much more pleasant to use, no ringing ears afterwards, and doesn't run your electricity bill up to tumble dryer levels...

Personally, I prefer simple, effective design, like the Tristar, all it has is a motor, a switch, a couple of filters and a bag, no miles of narrow pipework, no fiddly electronics to burn out, no "bagless" design with filter cartridges, it's just simple, raw cleaning power with very little to go wrong, it's why they've kept the basic design going for the best part of 70 years...

Post# 167820 , Reply# 44   1/31/2012 at 02:42 (3,083 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I really do hope things keep going well for Numatic, but I was just saying what I thought may happen, as everything else is going belly up these days.

On the long flex subject, that is one of the many things I love about my Henry.

I can plug it in at the outlet in the landing upstairs, and then take Henry down to the living room!

Whenever I use any other cleaner I have to unplug it when I get to the bottom of the stairs and plug it in in the lobby, but not with good ole Henry.

I think the reason for the immense suction with only 1200W power is because of the fact that none of the motor's power is lost getting from the fan, through the massive filter, through the bag, and to the hose.

When you look at the Numatic system and a conventional Bagged cylinder (like my JMB SC1056 for example), you really realise why Henry has more suction than the JMB - The JMB's intake vent is so small compared to Henry's, which is massive and as I said, no suction is lost by trying to make the vent smaller, and making the filter smaller and cheaper.

I'd far rather spend 15 on a massive filter for my Numtic every year than 2 for a tiny filter for my JMB, because the Numatic gives so much more back than the JMB.

I'm so glad I bought a Numatic for my car valeting, because nothing else would take all the bumps and scrapes Henry gets while being tugged along outside.

Ah - I love ya Henry! In a manly way of course!

Post# 167830 , Reply# 45   1/31/2012 at 04:25 (3,083 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I'd rather just keep my one HEPA dome pre-filter for the Tristar that I can wash as and when needed, rather than buy a filter every year... :P

But I do know what you mean about small filters, in comparison to the Tristar, the pre-filter in the miele is microscopic, restricting airflow, and if I upgraded it to a HEPA filter, then I'd expect the motor and it's electronics to burn out in no time, poor airflow means a hot motor, and a hot motor likes to cut out, burn out, or even catch fire... :S

You can see the inside of the Tristar's bag chamber in this video here, this of course is before I got the HEPA dome filter, and still used it's buttplug filter:


Post# 241705 , Reply# 46   7/23/2013 at 13:18 (2,543 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Sorry to resurrect this thread but where did you get your PP Intelli-Sense from ozhoover? I don't think it's available in the UK

Post# 241708 , Reply# 47   7/23/2013 at 13:27 (2,543 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The red model used to be available on Amazon UK so theres every possibility that the TPP2340 could have been listed there also but as you will see, that red model is listed as being currently unavailable.


Post# 241715 , Reply# 48   7/23/2013 at 14:08 (2,543 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

The red one isn't the Intelli-Sense Model

Post# 241742 , Reply# 49   7/23/2013 at 15:38 (2,543 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        


I had it shipped over from Italy about 18 months ago via an eBay store.


Post# 241746 , Reply# 50   7/23/2013 at 16:11 (2,543 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

How much did that cost in total but I could get my uncle to get one from France when he next goes

Post# 241777 , Reply# 51   7/23/2013 at 18:26 (2,543 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think it would be cheaper if you just bought from Amazon UK directly; there are some models from Hoover such as their Diva stick vacuums being sold on Amazon UK coming from Germany with a UK adaptor included. Its only a matter of time until other German market models would be available through the UK. Found the link tonight by typing in the word "Hoo" which seems to list two models, one of them being the Diva stick vacuum .

Post# 241780 , Reply# 52   7/23/2013 at 19:01 (2,543 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Could you show me how to do that please sebofan?

Post# 241843 , Reply# 53   7/24/2013 at 05:42 (2,542 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Its all there online but you have to take time to research &

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Go to and type in "Hoo" in the main location bar/product search. The first listing that appears is a silver Hoover bagless upright, the HP2300. Click on that product and where it says "
HP2300 Hurricane Power Bagless Upright Vacuum Cleaner with Pet Hair Tool by HOO," click on the HOO brand name. You'll get tons of different products, not necessarily by Hoover, the brand but some other vacuums do pop up.

Alternatively just type "Hoover" into the product search location bar and look through the results. Look on the left hand side of the page and click "bagged vacuums" which should then display all bagged vacuums AS WELL AS the brand preferences and tick "Hoover" AS WELL AS "Hoover Candy" before updating the search results.

Here is just one link that shows off a Hoover Purepower cylinder vacuum TPP2321 which clearly says "UK adaptor included."


Post# 241846 , Reply# 54   7/24/2013 at 06:05 (2,542 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Can't find a Purepower Intelli-Sense but did find other variations & a range of Hoover Carpet Washers, called the ClesnJet

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