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Thread Number: 15669
New Hoover Purepower Intelli-Sense cylinder |
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| Post# 166696 1/22/2012 at 13:54 (4,468 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia )) | ||
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Ok so here's the new European TOL Purepower TPP2340 suction model this one has what's called Intelli-Sense. Nothing new we have all seen feature before called lots of different names, Autosence, Dirt Alert, ect ect.... Its 2300W and for a made in PRC the build quality is really good, it's very quite too... 
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| Post# 166697 , Reply# 1 1/22/2012 at 13:56 (4,468 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia )) | ||
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Intelli-Sense up close ready for action 
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| Post# 166698 , Reply# 2 1/22/2012 at 13:57 (4,468 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia )) | ||
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The carpet is clean . 
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| Post# 166699 , Reply# 3 1/22/2012 at 13:58 (4,468 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia )) | ||
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Not clean enough yet . 
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| Post# 166777 , Reply# 4 1/23/2012 at 08:34 (4,467 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
I saw this recently on Hoover Europe's channel and was really impressed ! I love the look of this vacuum.
However the "power sense" is nothing new - my old Turbopower 2 Autosense from the 1990's had this feature, a 3 traffic light panel on the front. You could adjust it manually if you didn't agree with the vacuum at the time, thus giving you a three selection speed control but when I think back to it, the highest and the middle suction didn't give much of a difference, just noisier. | ||
| Post# 167141 , Reply# 5 1/25/2012 at 00:51 (4,465 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
Firstly - That cleaner looks great!
Secondly, in my experience, there is quite a difference between the low and high Autosense levels in the Turbopower range, which you can see if you put your hand up to the end of the hose on the lowest level, vacuum up some dirt to rev the motor up, then put your hand over the end of the hose again. You should notice a considerable difference in suction - At least I do anyway... The thing I don't agree with about that new Purepower, is the fact it says "Clean" and "Not Clean". Well, just because there isn't enough dirt to activate the higher wattage, it doesn't mean the carpet is clean! There could very well still little pieces of dirt on the carpet which the system won't realise. If I stopped vacuuming when my Turbopower stayed on the lowest wattage, my carpets would still be dirty! | ||
| Post# 167142 , Reply# 6 1/25/2012 at 00:53 (4,465 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 167147 , Reply# 7 1/25/2012 at 06:30 (4,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Or may be you don't - because as far as I'm concerned, there was little difference between the medium and turbo setting on the TP2/3 series. Same with the Turbopower dirty fan models - not much difference between the 1 and 2 settings, unless of course you had a fresh new bag, untainted and unclogged.
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| Post# 167210 , Reply# 8 1/25/2012 at 14:36 (4,465 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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2300 Watts??? That's more than what my tumble dryer uses!!!! :S | ||
| Post# 167213 , Reply# 9 1/25/2012 at 14:54 (4,465 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 167215 , Reply# 10 1/25/2012 at 14:57 (4,465 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 167280 , Reply# 12 1/26/2012 at 04:02 (4,464 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 167283 , Reply# 15 1/26/2012 at 04:18 (4,464 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 167285 , Reply# 17 1/26/2012 at 04:41 (4,464 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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And as for a 2.8KW dryer rating, I have seen vacs with that
but we were talking about this Hoover? the Purepower one? didnt see any mention of anything else???
I would suggest you have Beko out to the dryer anyway and have them look at it, seems like you got a lemon there. Dont know how you would explain the boot marks though. They may make your warranty null and void for the abuse. Always better to call out the enginner if its not right as tumble dryers dont feel pain or fear and thus dont work any better when kicked. | ||
| Post# 167293 , Reply# 18 1/26/2012 at 05:36 (4,464 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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You're right Benny, it won't be long (in fact I think it'll be within this year!) before some Vacuum Cleaner brand (probably HOOVER) brings out a cleaner with a 3000W motor.
Absolutely ridiculous! The reason for all the massive motors these days is because none of the brands can be bothered to give a cleaner good design so it doesn't need so much power to perform well, so they just design them poorly and give them the biggest motor possible to try and get good suction. My 500 watt 1982 Electrolux 502S has plenty suction, and unless you turn the suction selector down to "MIN", it'll suck the door mat right into the brush roll! Same with my 400 watt 1977 HOOVER Ranger for that matter, only you can't turn the suction down on that so I have to raise the height. So let me get this straight - 500 watts was more than enough to keep carpets clean back in the 80's, so why isn't it now ? I can't see why not, as I still use my Electrolux 3-4 times a week and have never been disappointed with the suction, nor seen any dirt left behind after one "sweep". All in all, Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers are getting lazy and trying to make good cleaners with less work. It is like back in the 50's and 60's where cars had V8's which barely put out 150BHP, where as there are I4 engines these days which with the right design can put out OVER 150BHP! I think Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers should look back at automotive history, and see that they can make smaller motors with the same, or more suction than larger ones. That's my Two Pence! | ||
| Post# 167309 , Reply# 20 1/26/2012 at 11:54 (4,464 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I know what you mean about Bagless cleaners having to have higher wattage motors, as my Panasonic MC-E8011 Twin Cyclonic Bagless cylinder has an 1800W motor, which I find very large, but when you think about it, it is probably necessarily large!
The HOOVER in question is a bagged machine though - So why 2300W!? | ||
| Post# 167314 , Reply# 21 1/26/2012 at 12:19 (4,464 days old) by SuctionSelector (Leeds, England) | ||
twocvbloke | ||
| Post# 167316 , Reply# 22 1/26/2012 at 12:26 (4,464 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 167318 , Reply# 23 1/26/2012 at 12:34 (4,464 days old) by SuctionSelector (Leeds, England) | ||
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jmurray01 | ||
| Post# 167320 , Reply# 24 1/26/2012 at 12:37 (4,464 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 167327 , Reply# 27 1/26/2012 at 13:10 (4,464 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Oh yes, it is totally a gimmick!
Back in 2008 when we were in the market for a new Vacuum Cleaner, and neither me or my mum were "in the know" about cleaners, so we went for the highest wattage cleaner we could afford. Luckily it turned out well as the JMB SC1056 has been very reliable and has great suction, but we could have ended up with an overpowered screamer! Luckily, these days, I know what I'm talking about, so if I did buy a new cleaner, I'd go for the higher air watts, regardless of the actual wattage. The fact is though, that I'd sooner buy a 1980's cleaner than a new one, so I'll never have to bother about avoiding overpowered pieces of dirt! | ||
| Post# 167331 , Reply# 28 1/26/2012 at 13:26 (4,464 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor | ||
| Post# 167347 , Reply# 29 1/26/2012 at 14:54 (4,464 days old) by baglessball () | ||
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It must be what sells in the UK market.. | ||
| Post# 167458 , Reply# 31 1/27/2012 at 09:38 (4,463 days old) by SuctionSelector (Leeds, England) | ||
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twocvbloke | ||
| Post# 167490 , Reply# 32 1/27/2012 at 19:16 (4,462 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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I'm surprised you know what we have when I haven't said what we have or shown a picture of it... :\ And it's a Creda Simplicity 1200-spin, model 17111... | ||
| Post# 167629 , Reply# 34 1/29/2012 at 08:21 (4,461 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 167631 , Reply# 35 1/29/2012 at 08:25 (4,461 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I have Beko too. It was just that I heard someone else say that their dryer had been a pain from the word go. | ||
| Post# 167720 , Reply# 36 1/30/2012 at 06:32 (4,460 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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One thing I hate is a high pitched Vacuum Cleaner motor.
I really don't mind a low pitched loud motor, like the old roaring HOOVER motors from the Senior range, in fact I love them. My 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 1800W Bagless cylinder has an awfully loud high pitched noise on the maximum wattage, and so does my 2008 JMB SC1056 1400W Bagged cylinder. I guess it must be something that modern cylinders have - High pitched screamers! The afore mentioned cleaners work very well in terms of suction though, so that makes up for it. | ||
| Post# 167767 , Reply# 38 1/30/2012 at 15:17 (4,460 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Oh that whistling...
It drives me MAD! My Panasonic Twin Cyclonic does that on MAX wattage and it makes my ears ring. None of my Bagged machines do that though. If manufacturers spent more money making well designed Bagged machines rather than cheap, poorly designed Bagless machines, they would make a lot of Vacuum Cleaner enthusiasts like myself very happy. I'll probably never buy a brand new Vacuum Cleaner again, because most of them are Bagless, and the ones that are Bagged are so poorly designed they are rubbish. The only manufacturer that makes good Vacuum Cleaners these days is Numatic. And I'm sure it won't be long before they are made in China and the costs are cut to a minimum to save money and bring them down to the current level of quality - VERY LOW! | ||
| Post# 167775 , Reply# 40 1/30/2012 at 15:56 (4,459 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Don't get me wrong - I pray that Numatic never go downhill and that they keep on making Vacuum Cleaners with the same quality and durability for years to come, but I can't help thinking that one day they will start to thin out the plastic and shorten the flex etc...
My 2007 Numatic Henry is certainly my toughest cleaner and I can almost guarantee years of flawless service, which is more than could be said for a £29.99 "Bargain" Bagless Vacuum Cleaner. I'm not sure who said it, but somebody said that with Bagless cleaners the best way to empty them when they get full is to throw the whole thing in the bin. Very true! Ha ha ha. | ||
| Post# 167777 , Reply# 41 1/30/2012 at 16:21 (4,459 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Well if anything, the flex has got longer over the years. That was my point, it's things like that which make it what it is, and it seems Numatic know this. Shortening the lead is an easy way to save money, but they seem to know it means a lot to the customer. | ||
| Post# 167808 , Reply# 42 1/30/2012 at 22:13 (4,459 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The flex may well get longer but I bought into Numatic through the commercial Henry version (grey one) and then a domestic James. James is as we know a cut down version of Henry, but my older model had a top 800 watt suction motor. I didn't mind that because the bags were full and the vacuum was capable. But in the early days of purchase I never realised that the cable had to lasso'd manually and some Numatics that have the longer cord with the open James top can be quite a disappointment at the end of cleaning and you have all that cable to deal with.
I definitely agree that Numatic are sticking to what they know works. Despite my grunt about the lack of a manual cord winder as with the more expensive Henry model, at least the open top of James means the tools can be stored, even if they don't lock into the recesses properly and wobble about. Also the cord is easy to replace on the James - Henry has a panel that has to be removed, I think. But, Numatic's principles of design are a bit like SEBO. They deal with the commercial/industry side of things, putting the basics on machines for reliability and longer working hours rather than fads. | ||
| Post# 167820 , Reply# 44 1/31/2012 at 02:42 (4,459 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Well I really do hope things keep going well for Numatic, but I was just saying what I thought may happen, as everything else is going belly up these days.
On the long flex subject, that is one of the many things I love about my Henry. I can plug it in at the outlet in the landing upstairs, and then take Henry down to the living room! Whenever I use any other cleaner I have to unplug it when I get to the bottom of the stairs and plug it in in the lobby, but not with good ole Henry. I think the reason for the immense suction with only 1200W power is because of the fact that none of the motor's power is lost getting from the fan, through the massive filter, through the bag, and to the hose. When you look at the Numatic system and a conventional Bagged cylinder (like my JMB SC1056 for example), you really realise why Henry has more suction than the JMB - The JMB's intake vent is so small compared to Henry's, which is massive and as I said, no suction is lost by trying to make the vent smaller, and making the filter smaller and cheaper. I'd far rather spend £15 on a massive filter for my Numtic every year than £2 for a tiny filter for my JMB, because the Numatic gives so much more back than the JMB. I'm so glad I bought a Numatic for my car valeting, because nothing else would take all the bumps and scrapes Henry gets while being tugged along outside. Ah - I love ya Henry! In a manly way of course! 
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| Post# 241705 , Reply# 46 7/23/2013 at 13:18 (3,920 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Sorry to resurrect this thread but where did you get your PP Intelli-Sense from ozhoover? I don't think it's available in the UK | ||
| Post# 241708 , Reply# 47 7/23/2013 at 13:27 (3,920 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The red model used to be available on Amazon UK so theres every possibility that the TPP2340 could have been listed there also but as you will see, that red model is listed as being currently unavailable.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 241715 , Reply# 48 7/23/2013 at 14:08 (3,920 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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The red one isn't the Intelli-Sense Model | ||
| Post# 241742 , Reply# 49 7/23/2013 at 15:38 (3,920 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia )) | ||
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Hi, I had it shipped over from Italy about 18 months ago via an eBay store. Cheers Mark | ||
| Post# 241746 , Reply# 50 7/23/2013 at 16:11 (3,920 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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How much did that cost in total but I could get my uncle to get one from France when he next goes | ||
| Post# 241777 , Reply# 51 7/23/2013 at 18:26 (3,919 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think it would be cheaper if you just bought from Amazon UK directly; there are some models from Hoover such as their Diva stick vacuums being sold on Amazon UK coming from Germany with a UK adaptor included. Its only a matter of time until other German market models would be available through the UK. Found the link tonight by typing in the word "Hoo" which seems to list two models, one of them being the Diva stick vacuum .
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| Post# 241780 , Reply# 52 7/23/2013 at 19:01 (3,919 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Could you show me how to do that please sebofan? | ||
| Post# 241843 , Reply# 53 7/24/2013 at 05:42 (3,919 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its all there online but you have to take time to research &
Go to www.amazon.co.uk... and type in "Hoo" in the main location bar/product search. The first listing that appears is a silver Hoover bagless upright, the HP2300. Click on that product and where it says "
HP2300 Hurricane Power Bagless Upright Vacuum Cleaner with Pet Hair Tool by HOO," click on the HOO brand name. You'll get tons of different products, not necessarily by Hoover, the brand but some other vacuums do pop up. Alternatively just type "Hoover" into the product search location bar and look through the results. Look on the left hand side of the page and click "bagged vacuums" which should then display all bagged vacuums AS WELL AS the brand preferences and tick "Hoover" AS WELL AS "Hoover Candy" before updating the search results. Here is just one link that shows off a Hoover Purepower cylinder vacuum TPP2321 which clearly says "UK adaptor included." CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK 
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